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Bruce Bradley
02-01-2008, 03:07 PM
Since the beginning of time it has been human nature to progress past the point of time and reason. The human specie has surpassed all other species of planet and concurred almost all aspects of it. Am I being reasonable to think that as one of the last things, that life is one that is in the works? We could say that electricity is also unknown but we have found ways to harness and use it for our benefit. Life for us is so fragile and can be lost so easily. Will we ever figure out how to bring someone back after death? Is there a thing known as a soul? If there is a soul do animals have one too? Aren't they living creatures too?

If every living creature does have a sole then what happens when we clone something? Maybe I am mistaken but aren't they cloning chickens and such for human consumption? Please if anyone knows more about this than I do please inform me if I am wrong. I just wonder if they are cloning food then how much longer before they clone a human?

Don't get me wrong I have lived a good life and don't have a lot left to accomplish but I don't want to die either. It is scary to me to have something like cloning knocking at our door. How do you feel about everlasting life? If they can clone humans this could be in our future. They can transplant almost all of the parts of the human body why not a brain. Would a clone have a soul or be a soulless creature? If they do have a soul, would they have rights just like us and having children?

I have often pondered that we do things because our brains are programmed to perceive it in a certain way. If our brain was to be transplanted would the program work in another body? An example of what I am asking is if I see the color of red as red it is because I have told that the color is red. Who is to say they see the same color I see. It could a totally different color but they have been taught to call it red.

I would like to know your thoughts on cloning. Do you feel it is the right road to take or we fooling with disaster? Will the lord forgive us our trespass in to his territory of creation? The lord has not punished us for progressing in other areas of life so why would he for this? I feel if the lord didn't want us to learn different things he wouldn't have made us in his image.

In closing, does anyone know if the brain ages like the rest of your body? If it does how long would it last after your body is dead? Would it even be worth it to go through the agony of the transplant, for your brain to die shortly after from old age? Who knows, just thoughts to ponder.

Thanks for reading this post and please tell me your thoughts on the subject.

sparr0w
02-04-2008, 02:35 AM
Wow, Bruce, you asked quite a few questions there... as for perserving life, medicine has been evolving in the direction of life prolongment for a long time, but i dont know if thats really a good thing. for example, my grandma is in the hospital right now with dimensia, as well as a number of other physical ailments. they are keeping her body alive with machines and medicines, but is she really alive? wouldnt you say that if she is suffering, and if she was she wouldnt be able to tell us, that its inhuman, or at least immoral, to prolong it, merely to put off the pain that the rest of us will feel when she finally does die? and as far as bringing people back from death, i dont see that happening, but if it did, it would cause MAJOR problems, one of the biggest being population control. Im going to avoid the cloning arguments, because i have found in the past that people get way too heated discussing it... kind of like the prolife/prochoice argument... i just dont like how emotional people get. But as for wrether or not they would have a soul, then it would boil down to a question of when a soul enters a body, because a clone still goes through all the same developmental phases as its "natural" counterpart... as for all questions reguarding "souls", it is all a matter of faith. no one can really answer that definitively for you.

blazeofglory
05-09-2008, 12:01 PM
Human nature is really something amazing and we can not say what will become of man after a few centuries or a millennium?

Imagine of a time, a thousand years back and compare it with the present. You will be amazed. Or if your great and great grandfathers could see things as we have today they would think that they were miracles.

Human nature is something we can not understand at all and there is no tool that can be used in comprehending human nature at all.

Bruce Bradley
05-09-2008, 01:43 PM
Blaze,

I always like to meet another thinking person. We are the ones that ponder the incredible and try to understand it. Then if we understand it then we dissect it and look inside of it so we know it as much as we know ourselves. In other words I think you are a real smart fella. Or maybe that's a real fart smeller. Just a pun thanks as always for your input.

Bruce

Trystan
05-09-2008, 08:38 PM
I think cloning and (and trans-humanism in general) is a very dangerous thing, not for religious-ethical reasons but because humans are a violent species and the more advances we make in science the more advances are made in the weaponry that we kill each other with (it sound a bit scifi but can you imagine cloned armies?). Also, I just generally dislike the idea of changing human nature. I for one, would not like to live forever. I think that I'd go insane if I would.





Imagine of a time, a thousand years back and compare it with the present. You will be amazed. Or if your great and great grandfathers could see things as we have today they would think that they were miracles.


I think that this is only half true. If someone like Aristotle were to travel through time and arrive here today, he would be very impressed with the level of scientific progress we have made, but shocked by the military capabilities we have now (I mean the last century was the most violent century in history - atomic bombs, biological weaponry).

Interestingly, anthropology has discovered that life in prehistorical, so-called "primitive" cultures were not that bad - people lived at one with nature, there were no mass murders or prisons and there was quite a bit of gender equality and leisure time as well. And they were also, say some, far more fulfilled with their simple existence, and scarcity was generally not a problem.



there is no tool that can be used in comprehending human nature at all.

Hmm . . . human nature varies a lot. We can be compassionate, loving, caring, sure . . . but its also in our natures to be aggressive, violent etc. History is the tool to finding out what human nature looks like.

blazeofglory
05-09-2008, 10:28 PM
I can not say what human nature is and no books, historical, sociological, philosophical, spiritual, or religious can really disclose what human nature is. All can say a little about human nature, and none of these stuffs can authoritative ideas on life.

Man is a mysterious being. It was, it is and it will be. It is the beauty of being man. Indeed the most perfect thing we can see in nature. Now see the way we interact breaking all kinds of barriers and of course breaking chains of limits.