Valentine's Day. Is it all a big farce?

[LadyW]

Personally, I have never really taken any interest in this holiday whatsoever...
Every year I see people receiving small gifts and cards as romantic gestures for this one day.
In all honestly I believe it's one huge comercial farce where sales in card shops are boosted...
What are your thoughts on this?

[Anza]

I second your emotion. It's too commercialized. Of course, so is Christmas.

[Tersely]

It's my birthday so I'm lucky to have something more important to focus on. Otherwise I find it to be useless, me and my husband don't bother. I get the better birthday gifts instead :D

[Anza]

lol. It's kind of stupid. In high school a lot of girls get really excited. :sick: We even have candy grams and carnation grams. One year, I gave one to my friend Nicki from Secret Admirerer. Once I told her who it was, she was so pissed.

[LadyW]

lol. It's kind of stupid. In high school a lot of girls get really excited. :sick: We even have candy grams and carnation grams. One year, I gave one to my friend Nicki from Secret Admirerer. Once I told her who it was, she was so pissed.

Haha thats so funny...:thumbs_up
You're lucky, at my highschool all the girls put bright red lipstick on and went round kissing random people on the cheek to leave a mark. I literally had to cower in the corner at one point... *shivers*

[Anza]

If anyone did that in this day and age, they'd get sued for it. The the administrators of the school would have a fit...
and we'd be considered whores.

[SleepyWitch]

in my high school, we had rose grams (?) but I never participated because I wasn't interested in romance as a kid. one Valentine's day some class mates wrote a letter to a friend of mine pretending they were me and saying I was a lesbian and had a crush on her. but she immediately recognized that it was not my handwriting and was cool about it. If she hadn't been so cool, it could have ruined our friendship, though. thanks you w*nkers :thumbs_up :sick: (I mean my illustrious classmates)

my boy friend and me don't care for V day at all... I hate those bright red cuddly hearts and other impersonal commercial stuff you can buy...

has anyone noticed lots of people also give V day presents to their mothers, platonic friends, etc? has this always been so in America/UK? did it start out as the day of lovers and then branch off into a general people appreciation day? or has it always been for both lovers and friends?

[Lote-Tree]

Personally, I have never really taken any interest in this holiday whatsoever...
Every year I see people receiving small gifts and cards as romantic gestures for this one day.
In all honestly I believe it's one huge comercial farce where sales in card shops are boosted...
What are your thoughts on this?

Lighten up LadyW....don't take Valentines seriously...it is was never meant to be taken seriously....it was to amuse to have fun and nothing more :D

[Anza]

it's kind of turned into another april fools day :D

[Pensive]

Haven't got anything against it. Fine if people want to celebrate but erm as a personal choice, I just am not romantic enough to take part in what it's actually celebrated for but listening to old songs on television on this occasion is fun (one might get to watch some good old movie on this day). So it's more like a TV Day for me than a VT Day. :D


has anyone noticed lots of people also give V day presents to their mothers, platonic friends, etc?

Yes.

Ummm last year a girl in my year (I think she is not a lezbian) asked me to be her Valentine.


it's kind of turned into another april fools day

Heh, I like the way you put it. Most of the times it seems to be so. Yes.

[1n50mn14]

I don't think there should be ONE day of the year where you feel obligated to express your love. I think love should be spontaneous and from the heart. Not to mention that paper hearts and cards are really tacky.

Oh, something entertaining though- reading through the bags of Conversation Hearts.

"E-mail"

Wtf. What does that have to do with anything? E-mail me, I'm so romantic!

We like changing them. There's a specialty place in Brampton that makes them. So we go and get stuff like "Nice boobs" made. It's more to the point.

[kilted exile]

Now then, it is all well and good to say you disaprove of valentine's day - but how many women could honestly say if they were in a relationship and their guy completely ignored Valentines day, made no mention of it no flowers, no card, no chocolates, no gift, no dinner would not be upset/annoyed/angry?

[Lote-Tree]

Now then, it is all well and good to say you disaprove of valentine's day - but how many women could honestly say if they were in a relationship and their guy completely ignored Valentines day, made no mention of it no flowers, no card, no chocolates, no gift, no dinner would not be upset/annoyed/angry?

If your relationship is based on that - there it's not much of a relationship is it? :D

[Anza]

Oh, something entertaining though- reading through the bags of Conversation Hearts.

"E-mail"

Wtf. What does that have to do with anything? E-mail me, I'm so romantic!

We like changing them. There's a specialty place in Brampton that makes them. So we go and get stuff like "Nice boobs" made. It's more to the point.

Nice. That is so straightforward. Kudos to you.


If your relationship is based on that - there it's not much of a relationship is it? :D

Well said, Lote.

[papayahed]

Now then, it is all well and good to say you disaprove of valentine's day - but how many women could honestly say if they were in a relationship and their guy completely ignored Valentines day, made no mention of it no flowers, no card, no chocolates, no gift, no dinner would not be upset/annoyed/angry?


I admit it, I'd be annoyed.



If your relationship is based on that - there it's not much of a relationship is it? :D


Please define "That"? You're not suggesting that my annoyance is somehow related to the reason for the relationship are you?

[Anza]

Lote is saying that people are shallow. Even you. (I don't mean it as an insult, I promise, you're already getting defensive.) What I mean is, that being even slightly shallow is only human nature. Lote and I don't think one should have to have a special day...

[LadyW]

Now then, it is all well and good to say you disaprove of valentine's day - but how many women could honestly say if they were in a relationship and their guy completely ignored Valentines day, made no mention of it no flowers, no card, no chocolates, no gift, no dinner would not be upset/annoyed/angry?
Me :)

[papayahed]

Lote is saying that people are shallow. Even you. (I don't mean it as an insult, I promise, you're already getting defensive.) What I mean is, that being even slightly shallow is only human nature. Lote and I don't think one should have to have a special day...


Oh My :rolleyes: Lote makes all kinds of statements, asking him to define his comments is not based on my annoyance of the question it's based on my annoyance of Lote. :D

[papayahed]

It's all nice and fanciful to think that you shouldn't have one day and for some people it might be like that but in every day life things get in the way (at least in mine) where we don't always show/tell people we love them or what they mean to us. I look at Valentines day as a publicly sanctioned kick in the pants to remind us of these things and a date on the calender to say "Hey Jackass you love somebody".

[Lote-Tree]

Oh My :rolleyes: Lote makes all kinds of statements, asking him to define his comments is not based on my annoyance of the question it's based on my annoyance of Lote. :D

Apologies for the annoyance. :-( ..my statements were never meant to annoy but to amuse :D...but I see I have failed in that regard with you...I will just add it to my list of failures and inadequacies ;-)

Regards,
Lote.

[Jane Jane]

Hey Lote, you cannot say that about yourself, I am your newest I believe fan of the Lote club, and I am just getting used to the fact you are perfect. :)
Valentine's day is whatever one makes it I suppose.
For me it is a time to do something special for those who have noone to remember them or are feeling afraid or sad or just depressed. Just some little thing to remind them they really matter in this world, the same as all those that are being lavished with stuff.

[Anza]

It's all nice and fanciful to think that you shouldn't have one day and for some people it might be like that but in every day life things get in the way (at least in mine) where we don't always show/tell people we love them or what they mean to us. I look at Valentines day as a publicly sanctioned kick in the pants to remind us of these things and a date on the calender to say "Hey Jackass you love somebody".

How eloquent. :lol: I like it. we should rename Valentines day according to your theory!!!:D

[papayahed]

Apologies for the annoyance. :-( ..my statements were never meant to annoy but to amuse :D...but I see I have failed in that regard with you...I will just add it to my list of failures and inadequacies ;-)

Regards,
Lote.


Come on Lote! I put the ":D " at the end. I thought that was the symbol of just kidding and all in fun.

[livelaughlove]

I wouldn't go so far as to say Valentine's Day is a commerical holiday invented by greeting card companies, but I do agree that sometimes it is a tad overrated. A little too mushy and syrupy sweet but hey everybody needs a good dose of affection once in a while. So it's not altogether bad. As long as it ultimately comes from the heart.

[SleepyWitch]

Now then, it is all well and good to say you disaprove of valentine's day - but how many women could honestly say if they were in a relationship and their guy completely ignored Valentines day, made no mention of it no flowers, no card, no chocolates, no gift, no dinner would not be upset/annoyed/angry?

me. I don't care a bit about it. in fact, I'd be upset if my bf gave me a valentine's present.
but I don't really count, because this holiday was only imported here recently, so it doesn't mean anything to older witches like me.

[Niamh]

Now then, it is all well and good to say you disaprove of valentine's day - but how many women could honestly say if they were in a relationship and their guy completely ignored Valentines day, made no mention of it no flowers, no card, no chocolates, no gift, no dinner would not be upset/annoyed/angry?
I dont think what valentines day represents these days is all that great but hey, Its the one day a year i get flowers from my boyfriend, and its nice so i'm not complaining.

If your relationship is based on that - there it's not much of a relationship is it? :D
:lol: you obviously havent been in many long term relationships Lote.:p (j/k)

Lote is saying that people are shallow. Even you. (I don't mean it as an insult, I promise, you're already getting defensive.) What I mean is, that being even slightly shallow is only human nature. Lote and I don't think one should have to have a special day...
Actually i dont think he meant it that way at all. If anything its Lote being his usual self and is jesting. And i dont agree that people who do like to recieve flowers on valentines are shallow. I spent so many years of my life watching friends getting flowers and cards from their boyfriends and even from good male friends of their and always wanted to know how it felt to recieve. When my first Valentines came around that i was actually with someone, i felt elated to be given flowers as a sign of affection. That doesnt make me shallow.

[manolia]

I dont think what valentines day represents these days is all that great but hey, Its the one day a year i get flowers from my boyfriend, and its nice so i'm not complaining.


Niamh you crack me up :lol: :lol:
I don't get flowers from my boyfriend even on Valentine's day..but that's ok, flowers make me sneeze :lol:

[Lote-Tree]

:lol: you obviously havent been in many long term relationships Lote.:p (j/k)


No. Never. I am an Enuch :-(

[Niamh]

Dont call yourself an Eunuch Lote! I it was a joke, hence the J/K after it....

[Virgil]

Personally, I have never really taken any interest in this holiday whatsoever...
Every year I see people receiving small gifts and cards as romantic gestures for this one day.
In all honestly I believe it's one huge comercial farce where sales in card shops are boosted...
What are your thoughts on this?

Well, great for your boyfriend. He doesn't have to do anything special for you. :p Nothing for you. You're a cheap date. :p ;)

[kratsayra]

I'm pretty sure I've never gotten anything from my boyfriend on valentine's day. I think one year we baked cookies, or planned to and then baked them later. or something.

Anyway, it's definitely not a big deal at all. I much prefer (giving and receiving) gifts and surprises when they're not expected. Usually in the form of small plush animals. :p Considering that we never do anything on valentine's day, if my boyfriend did give me something now, I would be quite surprised. Hmm. In fact, I was telling him about this thread and I was like, "you think this is a hint that you should give me something for valentine's day, but it isn't! I'm not saying that!"

The good thing about Valentine's day (and many other holidays) is buying candy on sale the day after. :D

[Lote-Tree]

Dont call yourself an Eunuch Lote! I it was a joke, hence the J/K after it....

I knew that my fairy lassie ;-)

So don't get your knickers in a twist :D


Now tell me if your partner loved you very much...and he did not give you valentines - would you be terribly upset? If so why so?

[Virgil]

I'm pretty sure I've never gotten anything from my boyfriend on valentine's day. I think one year we baked cookies, or planned to and then baked them later. or something.

Anyway, it's definitely not a big deal at all. I much prefer (giving and receiving) gifts and surprises when they're not expected. Usually in the form of small plush animals. :p Considering that we never do anything on valentine's day, if my boyfriend did give me something now, I would be quite surprised. Hmm. In fact, I was telling him about this thread and I was like, "you think this is a hint that you should give me something for valentine's day, but it isn't! I'm not saying that!"

The good thing about Valentine's day (and many other holidays) is buying candy on sale the day after. :D

He should give you at least a card. Tell him I said so. :p ;) And at least a dinner out, though I think you said you;re geographically apart right now.

[papayahed]

I knew that my fairy lassie ;-)

So don't get your knickers in a twist :D


Now tell me if your partner loved you very much...and he did not give you valentines - would you be terribly upset? If so why so?


Conversely, if my partner loved me so much why wouldn't he give me a valentines?

[Klingsor]

don't take Valentines seriously...it is was never meant to be taken seriously....

I dont' think so. Valentine's day was an invention of the floral business. And THEY take it very serious ... :D

[LadyW]

Well, great for your boyfriend. He doesn't have to do anything special for you. :p Nothing for you. You're a cheap date. :p ;)
Oh believe me Virgil... I have Christmas and my Birthday to compensate ;)
Anyway, who ever said I had a boyfriend? Hmm?
:D

[Niamh]

St Valintines Day Info...
http://www.pictureframes.co.uk/pages/saint_valentine.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitefriar_Street_Carmelite_Church
http://www.stvalentines.net/stvalentinesdayhistory.htm

[kratsayra]

He should give you at least a card. Tell him I said so. :p ;) And at least a dinner out, though I think you said you;re geographically apart right now.

Awww. Thanks for the sentiment. :) Yeah, we're geographically apart at the moment. Out to dinner . . . amazing thought! We almost always split the bill. That could probably be a topic for another thread . . .

[Virgil]

Awww. Thanks for the sentiment. :) Yeah, we're geographically apart at the moment. Out to dinner . . . amazing thought! We almost always split the bill. That could probably be a topic for another thread . . .

Well, you shouldn't have to split on St. Valentine's. ;)

[Anza]

I didn't know you were a romantic, Virgil...

[kilted exile]

I didn't know you were a romantic, Virgil...

I wouldnt take it as overly being romantic, we guys learn quite fast that if you want any enjoyment at all in the rest of your life there are 3 things which must be remembered:

1) Her Birthday
2) Your Anniversary
3) Valentines day

With the vast majority of women forgetting any one of these may result in becoming another Mr.Bobbit.

[Niamh]

I wouldnt take it as overly being romantic, we guys learn quite fast that if you want any enjoyment at all in the rest of your life there are 3 things which must be remembered:

1) Her Birthday
2) Your Anniversary
3) Valentines day

With the vast majority of women forgetting any one of these may result in becoming another Mr.Bobbit.

The gas thing is, my boyfriend can only remember the date of one of those. And thats valentines Day. It not very good that every year you get, "so whens you birthday again? Is it the fifth of January?":p

[LadyW]

The gas thing is, my boyfriend can only remember the date of one of those. And thats valentines Day. It not very good that every year you get, "so whens you birthday again? Is it the fifth of January?":p
Awwh :(
Perhaps he does this in order to wind you up?
Either way, I think I would prefer for a partner to forget the 14th February as opposed to my birthday...

[Niamh]

Awwh :(
Perhaps he does this in order to wind you up?
Either way, I think I would prefer for a partner to forget the 14th February as opposed to my birthday...

Its not a wind up... he gets really agitated when he see the look i throw his way and then tries to guess the date, and the more he gets it wrong the more embarressed he gets... I would have assumed after almost four years he'd have remembered it but...

[pussnboots]

Niamh,
Don't feel bad abt your bf not remembering your birthday. My husband for the longest time could never remember my birthday. It took him quite a few years to remember it.

[LadyW]

Its not a wind up... he gets really agitated when he see the look i throw his way and then tries to guess the date, and the more he gets it wrong the more embarressed he gets... I would have assumed after almost four years he'd have remembered it but...
Ha ha ha, well I would advise you to enjoy his embarassment...
Perhaps you should tattoo the date onto his forehead so he is reminded everyday :thumbs_up

[manolia]

The gas thing is, my boyfriend can only remember the date of one of those. And thats valentines Day. It not very good that every year you get, "so whens you birthday again? Is it the fifth of January?":p

That is sad..but i kinda envy you..i try really hard to forget my birthday every year..but most of the times bf remembers (it gives him infinite pleasure to remind me that i am growing old ;) and he knows that if there is one day i feel depressed this is the one).

[Virgil]

That is sad..but i kinda envy you..i try really hard to forget my birthday every year..but most of the times bf remembers (it gives him infinite pleasure to remind me that i am growing old ;) and he knows that if there is one day i feel depressed this is the one).

Ah Manolia, you're 26. That's hardly old. My God then I must be ancient. ;) I don't need a cane yet and no one has to feed me. :p

[manolia]

:lol: I am sure you don't need a cane :lol:

[amalia1985]

I agree with LadyW with all my heart. The only value of St.Valentine's Day concerns purely commercial interests. But then again, I don't believe in any "special" day, so I may be pre-occupied...

[Shalot]

in my high school, we had rose grams (?) but I never participated because I wasn't interested in romance as a kid. one Valentine's day some class mates wrote a letter to a friend of mine pretending they were me and saying I was a lesbian and had a crush on her. but she immediately recognized that it was not my handwriting and was cool about it. If she hadn't been so cool, it could have ruined our friendship, though. thanks you w*nkers :thumbs_up :sick: (I mean my illustrious classmates)

my boy friend and me don't care for V day at all... I hate those bright red cuddly hearts and other impersonal commercial stuff you can buy...

has anyone noticed lots of people also give V day presents to their mothers, platonic friends, etc? has this always been so in America/UK? did it start out as the day of lovers and then branch off into a general people appreciation day? or has it always been for both lovers and friends?

Gawd! that's a crap thing to do! We had rose deliveries in class at my high school also and I never got one and I didn't much care because it was dumb.

But, yes, at my old job, people would bring in Valentines for everyone. I would find conversation hearts on my desk (U R Hot etc) on them and buckets of chocolates wrapped in pink and red foil. Valentines day is just another excuse to buy candy. You can pink and red and white M & M s and Hersheys kissed wrapped in red foil instead of the usual white....

[Lily Adams]

But, yes, at my old job, people would bring in Valentines for everyone. I would find conversation hearts on my desk (U R Hot etc) on them and buckets of chocolates wrapped in pink and red foil. Valentines day is just another excuse to buy candy. You can pink and red and white M & M s and Hersheys kissed wrapped in red foil instead of the usual white....

Ha ha, that reminds me-we're making these heart craft things for the local old folk's home at my high school club and they have conversation heart stiker things and some say "TXT ME". I seriously doubt they will get that. "Wha? Tehxxxteh me?"


I second your emotion. It's too commercialized. Of course, so is Christmas.

Yes.

Though it's nice to say to someone "I love you", I don't really think you need a specific day to do that.