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Klaus
10-02-2004, 02:08 PM
here is a story that I enjoyed very much. English is not authors native language, but it make reading more exciting
www.serpentswall.com
Klaus

Miranda
10-02-2004, 05:48 PM
Klaus, to my shame I have never been much interested in the history of WW2, but this site as you say is really exciting and though it took me a long time, I read all of this site and could not stop reading until I reached the end. Thank you for posting this Klaus. It really is a great site and one of the best I've ever seen on the internet with all the photos and everything. Kiev is a very beautiful place, despite the landscape being so scarred with the remnants of war. And the soldiers were so very brave.

Miranda

Klaus
10-03-2004, 10:31 AM
Hello Miranda,
me too was never interested in history of WW2, but as well as you I couldn't stop reading this story and I thought it would be interesting for people to see it.
Klaus

den
10-03-2004, 12:06 PM
Hmmm interesting, thank you for the link Klaus.

I don't know if I'd call this `literature', but there are some interesting pictures and anecdotal stuff, but some red flags went up when I viewed `Elana's' Author Page.

Let me give you a little `urban legend' info, `net stylee...

This Serpent's Wall site was mentioned on the notorious `Kidd of Speed's' website, which there was much controversy about and finally, as in below quoted article, faked. She used the free service `angelfire' as her web hosting site, and this site apparently banned her from using them anymore because she was spamming other sites.

Some information as to the Kidd of Speed `hoax' is mentioned here:
http://www.uer.ca/forum_showthread.asp?fid=1&threadid=8951


There was an article in the LA Times a while back, July 6, 2004 to be exact:
I've copied and pasted it as they have that cumbersome subscribe process ...


July 6, 2004

THE WORLD
Account of Chernobyl Trip Takes Web Surfers for a Ride

Times Headlines
Account of Chernobyl Trip Takes Web Surfers for a Ride

By Mary Mycio, Special to The Times

PRIPYAT, Ukraine — Kate Brown began thinking about visiting this high-rise ghost town in the mid-1990s, when she was researching a book about the region before it was evacuated after the Chernobyl nuclear disaster.

Then she saw a website about a young woman's lone motorcycle rides through Chernobyl's exclusion zone. The site, http://www.kiddofspeed.com , attracted tens of millions of viewers and became the most-visited site on Angelfire.com, a Web page hosting service.

"I was intrigued," said Brown, an assistant professor of history at the University of Maryland-Baltimore. She spoke while strolling along the vegetation-choked sidewalks and cracked roadways of Pripyat, about a mile from the nuclear power plant where the 1986 accident took place.

"Elena," whom several Internet sources identified as Lena Filatova of Kiev, has been described as "fearless," "heroic" and "seriously whacked" in the virtual chatter the website generated.

When asked by e-mail why the story of a raven-haired beauty roaring through a radioactive wasteland attracted so much attention, cyberpunk author and futurist Bruce Sterling responded: "It's a post-apocalyptic adventure story. Very 'Mad Max.' "

And it is, evidently, equally fictional.

"That story is not true! She did not ride a motorcycle alone in the zone! She came with her husband and a friend on a regular tour," insisted Rimma Kyselytsia, who was the group's official guide. She identified the woman in the images on the website as Filatova and has the documents to show that Filatova's tour was organized by a Kiev travel agency and that her party traveled in a car provided by Chernobylinterinform, the agency that ushers all visitors to the exclusion zone.

The visit took place March 16, about two weeks after the website appeared. Since then, the curious have made their way to Chernobyl inquiring about Elena's adventure — among them two Norwegian biology teachers who arrived on bicycle hoping to retrace the journey. A guard turned them away.

"Whoever put this together was never actually here," said Kyselytsia, leafing through a printout of the images on the website. Although it has been updated several times, the site's original contents survive in duplicates elsewhere on the Internet, and on the computers of people who downloaded them.

The updated site does not appear to contain any authentic images of "Elena" or a motorcycle in any Chernobyl location. Four pictures on the updated site can be traced to a Ukrainian coffee table book published in 2000, some are aerial shots, and many are anachronisms. One photo is of chemical showers that have not existed for years. In another, the tall ventilation stack of the ruined reactor looms above some saplings. But those trees have since grown so high that only the tip of the stack is visible today.

After the March 16 trip, the website was updated with new pictures, including one of a motorcycle near a sign that reads "Chernobyl district" in Ukrainian. But that sign is several miles south of the barbed-wire fence and checkpoints surrounding the exclusion zone, which stretches almost 19 miles in all directions from the disaster site.

According to Kyselytsia and Mykola Slobodianiuk, who drove the group that day, Filatova's husband, Igor Filatov, told them that he had ridden his motorcycle to the Chernobyl checkpoint but was refused entry.

"The idea is absurd," Slobodianiuk said. "I have worked in the zone since 1986, and I have never seen anyone on a motorcycle."

Closed motor vehicles are the rule in the zone, where radiation levels are thousands of times normal in places. A moving vehicle stays ahead of the dust it raises. When it stops, it is enveloped in its own — often radioactive — wake.

After bumping for hours over the zone's crumbled, potholed and, in many places, barely existent roads, it is difficult to believe that anyone could ride a motorcycle on them.

The updated website depicts the lone rider in various zone locations, often with a motorcycle helmet in a bag slung across her shoulders.

"When I asked about the helmet, she just said her husband had some ideas," Kyselytsia recalled as she led Brown and a reporter into the Pripyat high-rise that the group had visited. "He took most of the pictures. He also staged some of them."

Kyselytsia pointed out the mailbox that the website claimed contained a hunting and fishing publication. It was empty, and Kyselytsia maintains that it was empty when she and the Filatovs entered the building.

"This one left me blinking," science fiction writer Neil Gaiman posted on his website after reading that "Elena's" story was not entirely true. "Not so much because it was a fraud, as why anyone would bother to create such a fraud."

Neither Lena nor Igor Filatov were available for comment. A woman who answered the door at their apartment said they had left town and could not be reached.

The Internet "Elena," however, is unapologetic. "I just wanted to show people Chernobyl," she wrote in an author's note after doubts about the story began to surface. "I did this for free, for no fame and I did this with love for my country."

If you want other stories on this topic, search the Archives at latimes.com/archives.



`Elana' mentions it here:

http://www.kiddofspeed.com/serpents-wall/intro.htm


Now...

this Serpent's Wall site? while it may hold *some* authentic information, some of this person's allegations that they've actually dug up, and claimed as their own, some WWII relics is a little dodgy, I have to wonder if it's true, given the history of this person.

Miranda
10-03-2004, 04:44 PM
Thank you Den for putting the record straight. It's sad that 'Elena' chose to fake her chernobyl site because now it means that any site she engineers is open to doubt. It's also sad because she is obviously an extremely talented reporter in the way she writes which makes you want to read on all the time and she has wasted her talent - thrown it away really because now having put forth what appears to be a lie, nothing she says can be relied on for authenticity.

I saved the website posted here, to my son's computer's favourites because I thought he would be interested as he had been showing me a site, ironically not about WW2, but about Chernobyl. It wasn't 'Elena's site though but another one that unfortunately he has lost the URL to. But it had something to do with a game called 'Stalker' and some of Elena's photographs must have been taken from that site..or vice versa if this too was a hoax, because some of the same photos were featured on both sites. The 'Stalker' site featured photos of Chernobyl that apparently were taken on a tour with a military escort and they had had to wait over a year to get the pass that they needed to visit the areas where they went. It's now hard to believe what is true and what isnt! Perhaps the 'Stalker' site was also a hoax, but it was supposed to be genuine and the photos that they took were to be used in the computer game 'Stalker'..if I've understood properly what my son was saying....which isn't easy sometimes!! But all this is very confusing anyway now. One thing is for certain - Elena sure does know how to capture a person's interest.

Miranda

simon
10-06-2004, 02:04 AM
Where do these people have the time to create websites like this and do all that research, though clearly inadequate research as their charade was seen through.

BSturdy
10-16-2004, 01:20 AM
Anything that reminds people that the Ukranians and Russians saved Europe from the bloodthirsty hordes of both Gengis Khan, and more than did their bit with those of Hitler is ok with me

I don't want to sound judgemental but WW2 memorabilia hunting on a DIY motorcycle is mildly eccentric behaviour for an attractive young woman. Not to mention watching skinny dipping partying youngsters through nightvision apparatus, with a grenade tucked in your belt......oh well as they say 'there's nought so strange as folk'

Shchisliva!