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seeker
09-30-2004, 10:18 PM
its kinda long, but each is a jewl of thought :thumbs_up


" If your library is not 'unsafe', it probably isn't doing its job."
-- John Berry, Iii, Library Journal, October 1999

"Without free speech no search for truth is possible... no discovery of truth is useful... Better a thousandfold abuse of free speech than denial of free speech. The abuse dies in a day, but the denial slays the life of the people, and entombs the hope of the race."
-- Charles Bradlaugh

"There are worse crimes than burning books. One of them is not reading them. "
-- Joseph Alexandrovitch Brodsky, 1991, Russian-American poet, b. St. Petersburg and exiled 1972 (1940-1996)

"Everyone is in favor of free speech. Hardly a day passes without its being extolled, but some people's idea of it is that they are free to say what they like, but if anyone else says anything back, that is an outrage."
-- Winston Churchill

"You see these dictators on their pedestals, surrounded by the bayonets of their soldiers and the truncheons of their police. Yet in their hearts there is unspoken - unspeakable! - fear. They are afraid of words and thoughts! Words spoken abroad, thoughts stirring at home, all the more powerful because they are forbidden. These terrify them. A little mouse - a little tiny mouse! -of thought appears in the room, and even the mightiest potentates are thrown into panic."
-- Winston Churchill

"The fact is that censorship always defeats its own purpose, for it creates, in the end, the kind of society that is incapable of exercising real discretion..."
-- Henry Steel Commager

"Burning is no answer."
-- Camille Desmoulins' reply to Robespierre, January 7, 1794, on burning his newspaper, Le Vieux Cordelier

"If librarianship is the connecting of people to ideas – and I believe that is the truest definition of what we do – it is crucial to remember that we must keep and make available, not just good ideas and noble ideas, but bad ideas, silly ideas, and yes, even dangerous or wicked ideas."
-- Graceanne A. Decandido

"Don't join the book burners. Don't think you are going to conceal thoughts by concealing evidence that they ever existed."
-- Dwight D. Eisenhower, speech at Dartmouth College, June 14, 1953

"Every burned book enlightens the world."
-- Ralph Waldo Emerson

"This is slavery, not to speak one's thought."
-- Euripides, Greek tragic poet (480 or 485 B.C. - 406 B.C)

"If the human body's obscene, complain to the manufacturer, not me."
-- Larry Flynt

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

"If all printers were determined not to print anything till they were sure it would offend nobody, there would be very little printed."
-- Benjamin Franklin, 1730

"Books won't stay banned. They won't burn. Ideas won't go to jail. In the long run of history, the censor and the inquisitor have always lost. The only sure weapon against bad ideas is better ideas. The source of better ideas is wisdom. The surest path to wisdom is a liberal education."
-- Alfred Whitney Griswold, Essays on Education

"[O]ne man's vulgarity is another's lyric."
-- John Marshall Harlan, Supreme Court justice, 1971

"Where they have burned books, they will end in burning human beings."
-- Heinrich Heine

"I cannot and will not cut my conscience to fit this year's fashions."
-- Lillian Hellman, subpoenaed to appear before the House Un-American Activities Committee, 1952

"To prohibit the reading of certain books is to declare the inhabitants to be either fools or slaves."
-- Claude Adrien Helvetius, De l'Homme, Vol. I, sec. 4

"The sooner we all learn to make a decision between disapproval and censorship, the better off society will be... Censorship cannot get at the real evil, and it is an evil in itself."
-- Granville Hicks (1901-1982)

"Fear of corrupting the mind of the younger generation is the loftiest form of cowardice."
-- Holbrook Jackson

"Did you ever hear anyone say 'That work had better be banned because I might read it and it might be very damaging to me'?"
-- Joseph Henry Jackson

"Civil government cannot let any group ride roughshod over others simply because their consciences tell them to do so."
-- Robert H. Jackson

"Children deprived of words become school dropouts; dropouts deprived of hope behave delinquently. Amateur censors blame delinquency on reading immoral books and magazines, when in fact, the inability to read anything is the basic trouble."
-- Peter S. Jennison

"Books and ideas are the most effective weapons against intolerance and ignorance."
-- Lyndon Baines Johnson, February 11, 1964

"Dat veniam corvis, vexat censura columbas. - Censure acquits the raven, but pursues the dove."
-- Decimus Junius Juvenalis (Juvenal), Satires, II. 63. Roman rhetorician and satirical poet (1st to 2nd cent. A.D.)

"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? - Who will watch the watchers?"
-- Juvenal





"We are not afraid to entrust the American people with unpleasant facts, foreign ideas, alien philosophies, and competitive values. For a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people."
-- John F. Kennedy

"The burning of an author's books, imprisonment for an opinion's sake, has always been the tribute that an ignorant age pays to the genius of its time."
-- Joseph Lewis, Voltaire: The Incomparable Infidel, 1929

"Censorship, like charity, should begin at home; but unlike charity, it should end there."
-- Clare Booth Luce

"One cannot and must not try to erase the past merely because it does not fit the present."
-- Golda Meir, Israeli political leader (1898-1978)

"And yet on the other hand unless warinesse be us'd, as good almost kill a Man as kill a good Book; who kills a Man kills a reasonable creature, Gods Image, but hee who destroyes a good Booke, kills reason it selfe, kills the Image of God, as it were in the eye."
-- Milton, Areopagitica, 1644

"To forbid us anything is to make us have a mind for it."
-- Michel de Montaigne, Essays, 1559

"You have not converted a man because you have silenced him."
-- John Morley

"Censorship of anything, at any time, in any place, on whatever pretense, has always been and always be the last resort of the boob and the bigot."
-- Eugene Gladstone O'Neill, American playwright (1888-1953)

"All of us can think of a book... that we hope none of our children or any other children have taken off the shelf. But if I have the right to remove that book from the shelf - that work I abhor - then you also have exactly the same right and so does everyone else. And then we have no books left on the shelf for any of us."
-- Katherine Paterson, American author of childrens books (1932-)

"A censor is an expert in cutting remarks. A censor is a man who knows more than he thinks you ought to."
-- Dr. Laurence Peter, Peter's Quotations: Ideas for Our Time. New York: Morrow, 1977, p. 97

"Free societies...are societies in motion, and with motion comes tension, dissent, friction. Free people strike sparks, and those sparks are the best evidence of freedom's existence."
-- Salman Rushdie

"What is freedom of expression? Without the freedom to offend, it ceases to exist."
-- Salman Rushdie

"Censorship ends in logical completeness when nobody is allowed to read any books except the books that nobody reads."
-- George Bernard Shaw, Irish playwright and critic (1856-1950)

"All censorships exist to prevent anyone from challenging current conceptions and existing institutions. All progress is initiated by challenging current conceptions, and executed by supplanting existing institutions. Consequently the first condition of progress is the removal of censorship."
-- George Bernard Shaw, Preface to Mrs. Warren's Profession

"Censorship reflects a society's lack of confidence in itself. It is the hallmark of an authoritarian regime..."
-- Justice Potter Stewart, dissenting Ginzberg v. United States, 383 U.S. 463 (1966)

"Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear."
-- Harry S. Truman, message to Congress, August 8, 1950

"Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it."
-- Mark Twain

"Adam was but human - this explains it all. He did not want the apple for the apple's sake, he wanted it only because it was forbidden. The mistake was in not forbidding the serpent; then he would have eaten the serpent."
-- Mark Twain

"All these people talk so eloquently about getting back to good old-fashioned values. Well, as an old poop I can remember back to when we had those old-fashioned values, and I say let's get back to the good old-fashioned First Amendment of the good old-fashioned Constitution of the United States -- and to hell with the censors! Give me knowledge or give me death!"
-- Kurt Vonnegut, author

"The dirtiest book of all is the expurgated book."
-- Walt Whitman

"There is no such thing as a moral book or an immoral book. Books are well written or badly written. That is all."
-- Oscar Wilde, The Picture of Dorian Gray, 1891

"The books that the world calls immoral are the books that show the world its own shame."
-- Oscar Wilde, The Picture of Dorian Gray, 1891

"An idea that is not dangerous is unworthy of being called an idea at all."
-- Oscar Wilde

crisaor
10-01-2004, 03:22 PM
Thanks Seeker, that was very nice.

Taliesin
10-01-2004, 03:42 PM
Hmm, that's a big number of quotes. :thumbs_up I have heard some, but of course, not all of them.

But: I found a book of quotes from the mess on my table :rolleyes: , and from the book, i found two interesting quotes:

"Censors have often the same problem as psychopaths - they cannot tell the difference between illusions and reality" Cronenberg

"Satire, what the censor understands, must definitely be banned" Kraus.

Excuse the wording and grammar, the quotes were translated to estonian and I re-translated them without much thinking to english.

seeker
10-01-2004, 03:58 PM
i got them all at this site:

http://title.forbiddenlibrary.com

very interesting site, check it out! its all about banned books

Johnny Odd
09-16-2005, 07:52 PM
I do a small amount of masonry and sculpture and I was called up to create a carving into a wall of the following quote - but I can't remember it EXACTLY and can't remember who it was from:

"Fear of ideas makes us impotent and ineffective"

anyone know who said that?

Logos
09-16-2005, 09:08 PM
My sigline right now is worth noting :D

"People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."

~ Søren Aabye Kierkegaard

Pendragon
09-17-2005, 07:55 AM
According to John Gunther, an American journilist in Japan wrote to a friend and added the note, "Don't know if this will ever arrive because the Japanese censor may open it." A few days later, he received a note from the Japanese Post Office, saying: "The statement in your letter is not correct. We do not open letters." :lol: :lol: :lol:

okmit
09-17-2005, 10:15 AM
What is free speech?We certainly don't have it.In a post I had written about a pain in the ***,and it appeared,pain in the ***!Why then am I permitted to write a pain in the butt,or rump,but not ***?***,butt,or rump,just does not convey the true pain!
I was edited for writing that I had been called an *** hole at a council meeting,but was quoted when I stated,rectal sphincter!In a letter to the Editor I had qoted H.Rap Brown,an African American that had used N*****,and it was printed,"N".
I think free speech is like privacy,private property,and most other freedoms we are told we have,token privleges at best.

Logos
09-17-2005, 11:19 AM
I think there are very few things in life that are "free" anymore.

As a privately owned website, it is Admins' right to have word filters in place so that swear words are bleeped out for our younger (under 13) members ;)




I think free speech is like privacy,private property,and most other freedoms we are told we have,token privleges at best.

okmit
09-17-2005, 12:41 PM
I think there are very few things in life that are "free" anymore.

As a privately owned website, it is Admins' right to have word filters in place so that swear words are bleeped out for our younger (under 13) members ;)

I am aware that it is the Admins' right to restrict free speech,which is my point.The gov.,also reserves that right,so what is free speech?

Word filter-Free speech...Hmm?

I just feel it is a little silly to be able to discuss the cultural practices that allow six year old girls to marry and consumate at nine,but must bleep the word ***,for child protection!I am not aware of any lasting ill effects of a child learning they have an ***?At a very young age I was ordered to sit on mine,that I was going to get my *** spanked,and by the time I reached my teens I had it royaly kicked,and in my midteens I....never mind ,I think I made my point.

PistisSophia
09-25-2005, 09:46 PM
Everything is all f***ed up anyway!!!

You are all a bunch of idiots!!!

James Douglas Morrison (Poet)

Eva Marina
11-02-2005, 06:55 PM
Those were some pretty nice quotes.
BTW, I really liked your signature, PistisSophia :D .

MiSaNtHrOpE
11-03-2005, 02:23 PM
"The worst ideas are ones that inspire the repression of other ideas." --Me

I hear about the repression of ideas in the United States and I think its so incredibly sad. If anyone else read Sybil, the fundamentalists believe that everything is a Lie if it doesnt speak [religious] "Truth," and the people in her community would tell them that something was bad if it didnt mean "truth." The Taliban in Afghanistan is a great example of what happens when religious zealots take over. No music, no literature, rampant rape, torture, drugs, corruption, and violence. Religious ideas are the most common reasons for book banning, and the minorities, in most school systems, speak the loudest and wont stop until they get what they want. Read F451 pg 57-62.

If there was one book I would ever ban, it would be The Bible. It is responsible for inspiring most of the violence, corruption, and hatred today, more than any Lolita, Bless Me Ultima, or Catcher in the Rye.

starrwriter
11-03-2005, 04:12 PM
Let's not forget other forms of artistic censorship, like what happens on network television.

Last night I saw a program that detailed TV censorship during the supposedly swinging 60s. A couple examples of the absurd prohibitions:

On "Happy Days" the Fonz couldn't wear a leather jacket because network executives thought it made him look like a gang member. Then they relented a bit and said he could wear it when he was on his motorcycle. The script writers got around this stupidity by having the Fonz drag his motorcycle indoors wherever he went.

On another show a newlywed couple had to sleep in twin beds. After the script writers, director and actors complained, they were allowed a double bed -- but no bedroom scene could end unless the couple was facing AWAY from each other.

Even today networks bleep out or change curse words so often in some films the viewer can barely follow the plot. My reaction to profanity prohibition: only naked savages in places like the Amazon jungle believe words have a magical power to harm people.

MiSaNtHrOpE
11-03-2005, 04:39 PM
Ahh yes, the repression of sexual drives, in my opinion, the MOST absurd and destructive thing to censor. Children arent taken to art museums because of David and Greek sculptures. I'm sorry but I find the female form quite beautiful and artistic, especially during fornication and her expression of intense pleasure.

To believe that sex is "sinful" is a sin against the species. They say we are "special," that we have a "Designer" and then they turn around and are so ashamed at the beautiful "Creations" that they are by not celebrating what makes them human! The reluctancy to reproduce and embrace one another should be frowned upon by that Creator. He loves you, yet you hate what you are enough to not love your lover!

starrwriter
11-03-2005, 06:22 PM
Ahh yes, the repression of sexual drives, in my opinion, the MOST absurd and destructive thing to censor. Children arent taken to art museums because of David and Greek sculptures. I'm sorry but I find the female form quite beautiful and artistic, especially during fornication and her expression of intense pleasure. To believe that sex is "sinful" is a sin against the species. They say we are "special," that we have a "Designer" and then they turn around and are so ashamed at the beautiful "Creations" that they are by not celebrating what makes them human! The reluctancy to reproduce and embrace one another should be frowned upon by that Creator. He loves you, yet you hate what you are enough to not love your lover!
"We have sex instead of religion."
-- Bret Ashley to Jake Barnes in Hemingway's novel "The Sun Also Rises," erroneously described as the portrayal of a Lost Generation.

subterranean
11-06-2005, 08:41 PM
"Music doesn’t have to be patriotic, sensitive, or even make sense. Music, at its most fundamental core, is freedom."

Eric Nuzum's America’s implicit music censorship in the wake of September 11th