War of the Sexes :D

[LadyW]

Before I commence my discussion dear reader, I would like to notify you that I am not here to advocate a full scale war between males and females.

I simply wish to raise the question, what are the significant differences between men and women (except the obvious) that sometimes cause them to clash?

As an infant, I remember many arguments with male friends about which gender was the best. Naturally - I won... I kid :D
Over the years, I have myself experienced rather major "run ins" with males. Tell me, is there certain undesirable traits belonging to each sex? Or is it a matter of the individual?

[Lote-Tree]

Before I commence my discussion dear reader, I would like to notify you that I am not here to advocate a full scale war between males and females.


What a shame I was about to sharpen my stake :D



I simply wish to raise the question, what are the significant differences between men and women (except the obvious) that sometimes cause them to clash?


Yes. As I said women are like Rubiks cube without a solution. Men are like a binary system. ON/OFF.



As an infant, I remember many arguments with male friends about which gender was the best. Naturally


Blimey women! You were not normal were you? As an infant I guess I was sucking on a teat.



Over the years, I have myself experienced rather major "run ins" with males. Tell me, is there certain undesirable traits belonging to each sex? Or is it a matter of the individual?

You are not a Bra and Knicker burning feminsits are you by any chance :D

[LadyW]

What a shame I was about to sharpen my stake :D
You and I are exempt from this of course Lote ;)



Yes. As I said women are like Rubiks cube without a solution. Men are like a binary system. ON/OFF.
Ha ha I donot think males deserve such censure; males can be very complex indeed, it is just sometimes hidden by their pride and ignorance. Women are very intricate also, but those who donot find the solution donot look hard enough ;)



Blimey women! You were not normal were you? As an infant I guess I was sucking on a teat.
No I donot ever recall being normal :) He he...
Oh dear lord Lote... I didn't want that mental image thankyou haha.



You are not a Bra and Knicker burning feminsits are you by any chance :D
He he perhaps... minus the burning of course :thumbs_up

[Sweets America]

I think it's all a matter of individuals, I don't want to make generalizations. My ex boyfriend was a very complicated person, certainly not the ON/OFF type :p but that was what made him so wonderfully interesting and admirable.
I have always wondered why there were some kinds of 'wars of sexes'. Men and women are different, complementary sometimes, and I have never felt the need to say that one of them is superior to the other.

[LadyW]

I think it's all a matter of individuals, I don't want to make generalizations. My ex boyfriend was a very complicated person, certainly not the ON/OFF type :p but that was what made him so wonderfully interesting and admirable.
I have always wondered why there were some kinds of 'wars of sexes'. Men and women are different, complementary sometimes, and I have never felt the need to say that one of them is superior to the other.

I agree, I believe that each individual has their talents, good qualities and also flaws. But I cannot help wondering if there are identical/similar good or bad traits within both men and women.

[Sweets America]

I agree, I believe that each individual has their talents, good qualities and also flaws. But I cannot help wondering if there are identical/similar good or bad traits within both men and women.

This is indeed a possibility.:) It is just that I prefer thinking in terms on individuals.

[manolia]

The main problem with men is that they don't recognise that we, women, know everything :D

[vheissu]

The main problem with men is that they don't recognise that we, women, know everything :D

Exactly Manolia! T'is indeed very true ;)



Well...I wouldn't say that men and women have undesirable traits per se, just by belonging to a specific gender. But there are differences (eitherwise, what would be the point of defining male and female?). I think the main reason the two still clash is more of a social issue, evolved from historical facts which have still not completely been dealt with.

[Jane Jane]

I honestly think some of it has to do with their ma's. If they are taught to value the opposite sex, honoring the fact they too have feelings, intelligence, etc and should be treated with respect,their children often pick that up and do the same when they are older. If a woman doesn't mind her son running about getting into trouble, disregarding the harm he is doing to other human beings and using the opposite sex as long as he is not caught or careful, then since it is a woman feeding him that attitude, surely it must rub off. And if a mother is a grasping sort of person, with no respect for the thought of a man, thinks of h im say as only a meal ticket or a stepping ladder to where she wants to get, well then it stands to reason that her daughters just might not consider that anything the guy thinks or does is nearly as valuable or worth bothering about as her own feelings and thoughts.
I don't say this lightly but I was in domestic service to several households, some fabulously rich, some middle class and a few compensated by government monies. I saw the things I mention and I saw the tremedous impact it had on the wee ones. Even tiny little boys were very condescending to their baby sisters because dad was to mom, or little girls were THE PRINCESS in the house because mom was and well, even though they grow up and learn to think for themselves, I wonder how much clings to them in life.
I also saw a few households where the mother and father treated one another with love and respect and demanded the same of the children both to them as parents and to one another as siblings of different genders and also to the servants. It was like heaven on earth really and they had so much fun and learned so much from one another.
Well, a lot of rambling, but just my thoughts. :)

[AimusSage]

Say what you want, but we men have more letters of the alphabet in our chromosomes.

[LadyW]

Say what you want, but we men have more letters of the alphabet in our chromosomes.
Strong argument there AimusSage...
;)

[vheissu]

Say what you want, but we men have more letters of the alphabet in our chromosomes.

But Aimus, there is evidence the Y chromosome is degenerating and slowly, little by little, disappearing....

[manolia]

Exactly Manolia! T'is indeed very true ;)


I knew that there were other people here who shared my point of view :lol:


But Aimus, there is evidence the Y chromosome is degenerating and slowly, little by little, disappearing....

:lol: :lol:

[Lote-Tree]

The main problem with men is that they don't recognise that we, women, know everything :D

Yes. And you can also contradict yourself - all in the same sentence without batting an eyelid :D

[Lily Adams]

As an infant, I remember many arguments with male friends about which gender was the best.

:lol: I remember those.

Honestly, I can't see how men and women don't "understand" each other. Maybe it's because I've never had that sort of a relationship.

Hm, wait, let me re-phrase that.

I don't understand why men and women can't both understand that they can't understand each other. There.

Personally I probably relate to men a bit more than the average female, I think. I just...like them. They are handsome and strong and can do lots of other things women can't do without getting weird looks...but I guess you could say that for women, too. :p I think my male-based mind probably came from my dad because I've just bonded with him more than my mother. I was exposed (and still am) to his way of thinking far more. Just when I look at who I am, it's like, "Well, most of the people you like are males. Okay." I find women boring, I guess...

Funny thing is, though, I don't think I'd like to be a man, if that makes any sense. :lol: I'm too much a straight female...

But I've already said this countless other times on this forum.

[Dori]

Blimey women! You were not normal were you? As an infant I guess I was sucking on a teat.

I was too, except I had to take turns with my twin brother. :lol:


Yes. And you can also contradict yourself - all in the same sentence without batting an eyelid :D

Well, according to Oscar Wilde, "The well-bred condradict other people. The wise contradict themselves."

One thing I've learned in life: when it comes to women, just nod your head. :nod: ;)

I think men and women are simply different, neither sex being ultimately superior. Individual preferences play a big part in determining undesirable traits, I think.

[Shea]

I honestly think some of it has to do with their ma's.

I agree:nod: . This may stray from the topic a bit, but Leo and I have dissagreed for years now on whether or not homeschool is a good idea, and I believe that it all has to do with the way we were raised.

He was the youngest of six, so his parents didn't have a whole lot of time to spend on each child. Apparently he had excellent teachers because he is rather intelligent and driven despite the fact that his parents were always too busy. Unfortunately, he now thinks that public education is the same as it was then and he's perfectly happy to have our kids in it in the future.

I, one the other hand, had only one sibling, and my mother worked with us all the time because she stayed at home. We could both read before we started pre-school. That coupled with my short experience teaching has taught me that there is nothing better than homeschool. (I'm NOT going to shelter our kids). We've come to an agreement of trying it for the first 2 years.

I wonder now, is this debate that Leo and I are having also a male-female thing? Are women more likely to support homeschool because of our nurturing side?:confused:

[manolia]

Yes. And you can also contradict yourself - all in the same sentence without batting an eyelid :D

Bah it was actually my bad use of the english language. I should have said "aknowledge" ;)

[Lote-Tree]

Bah it was actually my bad use of the english language.


No problem. I sympathise with your disability because I suffer from it too. But I blame my keyboard :D

[manolia]

No problem. I sympathise with your disability because I suffer from it too. But I blame my keyboard :D

:lol: I am willing to accept Dori's explanation in this case..that wise contradict themselves :D :p

[Lote-Tree]

:lol: I am willing to accept Dori's explanation in this case..that wise contradict themselves :D :p

I don't have worry about thing then because I am not wise :D

[TheFifthElement]

Yes. As I said women are like Rubiks cube without a solution. Men are like a binary system. ON/OFF.


:lol: Can't believe I'm about to say this, but Lote this is quite a good analogy. Except that the Rubiks cube can't be solved, it can you just have to read the manual...oh, men don't do that do they?

I suppose you could look at this question two ways:
- men and women are opposing, or
- men and women are complimentary

I prefer the latter.

Men and women are like pieces of a jigsaw puzzle. We might be very different shapes but we fit together. No use arguing which piece is better than the other.

[Lote-Tree]

:lol: Can't believe I'm about to say this, but Lote this is quite a good analogy.


He he :D Then you know what I am talking about ;-)



Except that the Rubiks cube can't be solved, it can you just have to read the manual...


God actually made a Manual for Women? :D



Men and women are like pieces of a jigsaw puzzle.


Women are the PUZZLE :D

[TheFifthElement]

God actually made a Manual for Women? :D

Yes, it's in the hard drive, you just have to know the password.


Women are the PUZZLE :D

But this is also true in reverse. Men are as puzzling to women as women are to men, I suppose the question is do you find a puzzle irritating or fascinating? I think, fascinating :D

[Lote-Tree]

Yes, it's in the hard drive, you just have to know the password.


Then when God made women She was indeed joking :D




But this is also true in reverse. Men are as puzzling to women as women are to me, I suppose the question is do you find a puzzle irritating or fascinating? I think, fascinating :D

Rubiks Cube is indeed irritating because you know the solution but can't get there..

[TheFifthElement]

Rubiks Cube is indeed irritating because you know the solution but can't get there..

There's an easy solution, you just need to google it ;)

[Lote-Tree]

There's an easy solution, you just need to google it ;)

Men have been "googling" it from dawn of human civilisation...still no end in sight...sadly it might go on for all eternity :D

[dramasnot6]

What was that quote? "The battle of the sexes can never be won because there is too much fraternizing with the enemy"

[LadyW]

Women are the PUZZLE :D
No no, we just have a need to make sense :D

[Lote-Tree]

No no, we just have a need to make sense :D

A pair of Red Shoes is just a pair of Red Shoes....there is nothing to make sense of it :D

[smartgirl]

What was that quote? "The battle of the sexes can never be won because there is too much fraternizing with the enemy"


I agree. ;)

yet if you think about it, not all do. it's just an exception for those of us that want to fraternize.

[Bakiryu]

Before I commence my discussion dear reader, I would like to notify you that I am not here to advocate a full scale war between males and females.

I simply wish to raise the question, what are the significant differences between men and women (except the obvious) that sometimes cause them to clash?

As an infant, I remember many arguments with male friends about which gender was the best. Naturally - I won... I kid :D
Over the years, I have myself experienced rather major "run ins" with males. Tell me, is there certain undesirable traits belonging to each sex? Or is it a matter of the individual?

(Most) Women are mostly vain and annoying and (most) men are sexist and lazy.
Women try to be mysterious and end up being incomprehensible, mend tend to act like overgrown children.

I take no sides.

[LadyW]

Ha ha and so Bakiryu, you go for the theory that we are both as bad as eachother?
I think that is fair enough althought I donot believe every individual falls under these categories mind...

[Adventure Man]

Women are bad news, avoid them as long possible. :sick:

[LadyW]

Your signature would suggest otherwise... :)

[Adventure Man]

I'll admit I do have my vices.

[LadyW]

Personally, in some cases I believe the root cause of a problem can be the lack of WILL to understand another out of pride.
I myself have been involved in occasional debates with various male AND female friends who, although they are quite plainly wrong, choose to argue against me for the sake of it.
Or is that just the affect I have upon people? ;)
(No comment there Lote :D)

[Dori]

:lol: Can't believe I'm about to say this, but Lote this is quite a good analogy. Except that the Rubiks cube can't be solved, it can you just have to read the manual...oh, men don't do that do they?

Directions? Men don't need directions! :p You don't even have to look at the manual to solve a Rubiks Cube. It's actually quite simple, once you get the hang of how it works. ;)


I read a passage from Dr.Zhivago (Boris Pasternak) that is relevant to the discussion:


Tonia, his old friend, who had always been taken for granted and had never needed explaining, had turned out to be the most inaccessible and complicated being he could imagine. She had become a woman. By a stretch of the imagination he could visualize himself as an emperor, a hero, a prophet, a conqueror, but not as a woman.
:D

And I believe Nietzsche said "Women was God's second mistake" or something like that. Some Baki might agree with, right?

[Lote-Tree]

Or is that just the affect I have upon people? ;)
(No comment there Lote :D)

By your own admission you have been arguing since infancy so I don't LadyW...perhaps there something wrong with you :D

[Dori]

Personally, in some cases I believe the root cause of a problem can be the lack of WILL to understand another out of pride.
I myself have been involved in occasional debates with various male AND female friends who, although they are quite plainly wrong, choose to argue against me for the sake of it.
Or is that just the affect I have upon people? ;)
(No comment there Lote :D)

I'm still trying to understand myself; once I do that, then I might try understanding members of the opposite sex. ;)

I also argue quite a lot with both sexes. But it is all in vain (I need to work on being more persuasive). :)

[LadyW]

By your own admission you have been arguing since infancy so I don't LadyW...perhaps there something wrong with you :D

Yes that is correct Lote. When I finally pass on, my parents have volunteered to donate my brain to the science industry for further study ;)



I'm still trying to understand myself; once I do that, then I might try understanding members of the opposite sex. ;)
I also argue quite a lot with both sexes. But it is all in vain (I need to work on being more persuasive). :)

Use Lote's method, he just gets out his lance and winks... the women absolutely swoon. I jest dear friend :)
I find it difficult to understand myself too, it is something me and the whole of the human race have in common.
:lol:

[Adventure Man]

I'm still trying to understand myself; once I do that, then I might try understanding members of the opposite sex. ;)

I also argue quite a lot with both sexes. But it is all in vain (I need to work on being more persuasive). :)
Side steps and back doors are your only option for arguing with women. I have never argued with a woman, at the sound of the argumentative cue a pale glaze falls over my eyes and I drift away into a Budweiser commercial.

[LadyW]

Ha ha ha :D
Another easy way out for some who knows defeat is inevitable...
Perhaps because you knew you were in the wrong but couldn't deal with the aggrovation that followed? ;) That's usually the way for the males I am acquainted with.

[Nightshade]

Say what you want, but we men have more letters of the alphabet in our chromosomes.
Or rather your missing half a chromosoner :brows:
:p

But Aimus, there is evidence the Y chromosome is degenerating and slowly, little by little, disappearing....
HUmm on oneof the sillier days at work we had a pile of books come in talking about the nextinction of the y chromosone... I spent the whole afternoon terrorising the one male member of staff wih quotations...fun times!!
:D

[Lote-Tree]

Ha ha ha :D
Another easy way out for some who knows defeat is inevitable...
Perhaps because you knew you were in the wrong but couldn't deal with the aggrovation that followed? ;) That's usually the way for the males I am acquainted with.

Men will do anything to avoid nagging :D even drill their own skull with a neumatic powertool :D

[Dori]

Men will do anything to avoid nagging :D even drill their own skull with a neumatic powertool :D

Amen.

[Bakiryu]

And I believe Nietzsche said "Women was God's second mistake" or something like that. Some Baki might agree with, right?

Actually nope. I do love Nietzsche, mind you. But I don't totally agree with him. I think humanity was God's (if there was a god) mistake.


Ha ha and so Bakiryu, you go for the theory that we are both as bad as eachother?
I think that is fair enough althought I donot believe every individual falls under these categories mind...

Yup. Just in different ways. I think women would be less annoying if men paid more attention. And if that doesn't work, if they had more chocolate.

(yes, some individuals don't really fit in these categories)



Men will do anything to avoid nagging :D even drill their own skull with a neumatic powertool :D

:lol:

Singing in your head and staring at her forehead while nodding works just fine. :D

[dramasnot6]

I think the only progress one can make in bringing the sexes together in peace is to stop generalising each sex. We gotta work together to continue the species and try to maintain some sort of societal decency on earth- let's not make battles, but love :D
Or, if you aren't into that, let's at least respect,yo.

[kilted exile]

Singing in your head and staring at her forehead while nodding works just fine. :D

I know from personal experience the problems with this approach. I tried it only to find out later that I had agreed to spend the weekend helping her friend move house - much to my dismay, I had a good weekend sitting on my behind watching sport planned:crash:

[blazeofglory]

Before I commence my discussion dear reader, I would like to notify you that I am not here to advocate a full scale war between males and females.

I simply wish to raise the question, what are the significant differences between men and women (except the obvious) that sometimes cause them to clash?

As an infant, I remember many arguments with male friends about which gender was the best. Naturally - I won... I kid :D
Over the years, I have myself experienced rather major "run ins" with males. Tell me, is there certain undesirable traits belonging to each sex? Or is it a matter of the individual?

There is no war, and what seems it is only an illusion in point of fact, for once it is believed that both sexes were integrally one and the same organ and in due course of time they became separate and indeed the union we see is the desire to return to their original state. Is this idea convincing?

[Adventure Man]

Ha ha ha :D
Another easy way out for some who knows defeat is inevitable...
Perhaps because you knew you were in the wrong but couldn't deal with the aggrovation that followed? ;) That's usually the way for the males I am acquainted with.
yeah all that and drifting into a Budweiser commercial clinches it for me.

[Bakiryu]

I know from personal experience the problems with this approach. I tried it only to find out later that I had agreed to spend the weekend helping her friend move house - much to my dismay, I had a good weekend sitting on my behind watching sport planned:crash:

Yikes!
Then again, the same thing happens with men sometimes. I tried this approach once with my father and we spent 12 hours in the flea market and others looking at POWER TOOLS and CAR pieces, then fixing his car. (He's lucky I like power tools *mumble, mumble* but it usually works with most women/men I know.

[TheFifthElement]

Directions? Men don't need directions! :p You don't even have to look at the manual to solve a Rubiks Cube. It's actually quite simple, once you get the hang of how it works. ;)

Yes, perhaps it's only Lote that doesn't understand ;)

[Lote-Tree]

Yes, perhaps it's only Lote that doesn't understand ;)

I think he has not had much experience of women ;-)

[dizzydoll]

Lookie what I found here. Good topic.


Side steps and back doors are your only option for arguing with women. I have never argued with a woman, at the sound of the argumentative cue a pale glaze falls over my eyes and I drift away into a Budweiser commercial.

Scaredy Cat. lol. http://serve.mysmiley.net/scared/scared0012.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net)

[soundofmusic]

It took me 55 years; but I have decided that it is pointless to ask a man what he is feeling (when we are intimate); and on the few occasions when he has told me what he is feeling, I really didn't want to know::incazzato::bawling:

[BienvenuJDC]

It took me 55 years; but I have decided that it is pointless to ask a man what he is feeling (when we are intimate); and on the few occasions when he has told me what he is feeling, I really didn't want to know::incazzato::bawling:

So it's all about YOUR timing? What about the man's perspective?

[JuniperWoolf]

I have always believed that the inherent differences between the male and female brain are infinitesimal, and that any perceived differences are the result of social conditioning. Further education in biology and social psychology only support this theory. Men fight, they are commanding and they are clueless when it comes to taking care of themselves only because this is what is expected of them within the society in which they are raised. If the boy were raised in a society in which expectations were different, we see a completely different breed of male emerge. Women are emotionally weak, passive and easy to placate only if this is what they are raised to believe that a woman is.

Some people might argue that it is hormones that cause inherent psychological differences between men and women (usually people that have basically no education in the field of endocrinology). Actually, men and women have a very similar hormonal structure (we have testosterone, they have estrogen). The only difference is quantity (differences in balance between the aforementioned hormones, and every other hormone is almost identicle between the sexes), the result of which contributes solely to short-lived moods (which usually manifest themselves during the female's time of menstruation or when the male is feeling that his status is being threatened or he hasn't experienced sexual relief in a while) and not to solid difference in personality.

Any trends that suggest a difference between a man's mind and a woman's are simply the product of suggestion and conditioning, and have no basis in biology. We're really all the same in our heads (there are obvious physical differences). So basically what I’m saying is that men and women are different because we believe that they are different.

[Scheherazade]

(we have testosterone, they have estrogen).You have changed teams or something?

:p

[ennison]

We're really all the same in our heads
men and women are different because we believe that they are different.

In my head. That's where I believe.
Men and women are different. so are men and men, women and woman, group and group, class and class

[Niamh]

Thanks for reviving the thread. This knowledge of KE staring at my forehead and nodding and that i can get him to agree to anything might be useful in the future! :p
(JK Kilted. ;) )


I know from personal experience the problems with this approach. I tried it only to find out later that I had agreed to spend the weekend helping her friend move house - much to my dismay, I had a good weekend sitting on my behind watching sport planned:crash:



We're really all the same in our heads
men and women are different because we believe that they are different.

In my head. That's where I believe.
Men and women are different. so are men and men, women and woman, group and group, class and class

Hello ennison! long time no see.

[soundofmusic]

So it's all about YOUR timing? What about the man's perspective?

Yes, kind of. I try to keep the game on a familiar terrain; because I know that men usually avoid sharing their feelings or a confrontation until they have "the high ground".

[JuniperWoolf]

You have changed teams or something?

:p

D'oh!

Scratch that, reverse it.