What is Love?

[LadyW]

Hello Everyone.
Love has always been everything to me. Hopeless romantic? I think so.
But, love means something different to everyone, what does it mean to you?

[amalia1985]

Love means music to me. Heavy-metal, actually. Strong and stormy, but tender when it is perceived to be so.

[Lote-Tree]

Hello Everyone.
Love has always been everything to me. Hopeless romantic? I think so.
But, love means something different to everyone, what does it mean to you?

Love? A transcendental moment of happiness..and then it is over...

[amanda_isabel]

kinda depends. there's love like love from my mom to me-and nothing could be holier than that. then, there's the (unrequited) love i once felt for "him", the kind that made my head spin and all the other cliches--and nothing could be more sinful than that, lol

[Lote-Tree]

kinda depends. there's love like love from my mom to me-and nothing could be holier than that. then, there's the (unrequited) love i once felt for "him", the kind that made my head spin and all the other cliches--and nothing could be more sinful than that, lol

The context the question was asked I think was Romantic Love. The love between two individuals.

And pain of unrequited love is like hot iron through the soul...

[amanda_isabel]

The context the question was asked I think was Romantic Love. The love between two individuals.

And pain of unrequited love is like hot iron through the soul...

i think you're right abuot the context.. well anyway,

unrequited love maybe painful, but what about not knowing if it is unrequited or not? i mean, the whole deal is just a question? do you (and other members, of course) think it is more or less painful?

[RoCKiTcZa]

Love is a crazy thing, so utterly stupid and tragic. An intense, pathetic emotion. That's the romantic love I know of. Anyways, I never had any luck with it.

[LadyWentworth]

Love means music to me. Heavy-metal, actually. Strong and stormy, but tender when it is perceived to be so.

I am on the same boat as you, amalia! Except in my case it tends to be the music of the crooners from the 1930's - 1950's. Their voices always told you the exact way that they "felt". You knew when their heart was broken. Yet, with the next, song you knew when they were completely mesmerized by someone.

I am a hopeless romantic, but I think that music plays a BIG part in me feeling that way!!

By the way, LadyW, did you notice that someone else on this site has a name kind of close to your own? Probably me? ;)

[kilted exile]

Love is a collection of chemical impulses

[LadyW]

By the way, LadyW, did you notice that someone else on this site has a name kind of close to your own? Probably me? ;)

Yes I did actually hehe, but I can assure you it was intirely coincidental. "LadyW" stands for Lady Whistledown, an amazing character from a series of books I've been reading. :)

[LadyW]

I think... unrequited love, although it is harsh and cutting, is perhaps one of the most beautiful forms of love. However, I am very intrigued by the Strenberg theory...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangular_theory_of_love

[Lily Adams]

I recently read that scientists did a study of how love affects the brain, and they found out that when someone is in love it shows up in the same area as where all the mental illness occurs.

I like that.

It has to do with instinct, I think it said, too, because it's like you want to have babies with that person so much because your brain tells you to. Actually, it urges you to with insanity. Get it?

I'm pretty sure it's true, too. I made this playlist that is filled with songs that remind me of my crush, and all the songs either make me gush out tears or make me feel really insane. When I listen to it I look kinda like Bob 1 over there in my avatar.


But I was already kinda insane in the first place and the situation is pretty insane, too.

[blazeofglory]

Love is unreality something one cannot hinge on, and it leads to a breach of trust in romances particularly. Motherly, fatherly love is considerably more endurable. Yet they too suffer a kind of wants, a selfish want indeed.

Unconditional love is something we read movies and in books but they are not there in reality. It is fake and false, a sheer pretension and nothing else.

[Koa]

I'd also go for the chemistry thing, because it doesn't make sense.
I also like this:


I recently read that scientists did a study of how love affects the brain, and they found out that when someone is in love it shows up in the same area as where all the mental illness occurs.

I like that.

It has to do with instinct, I think it said, too, because it's like you want to have babies with that person so much because your brain tells you to. Actually, it urges you to with insanity. Get it?

I'm pretty sure it's true, too. I made this playlist that is filled with songs that remind me of my crush, and all the songs either make me gush out tears or make me feel really insane. When I listen to it I look kinda like Bob 1 over there in my avatar.

Well about the playlist, they make you sad/insane because they remind you of him, or of what you were thinking when listening to those songs thinking of him. I was also going to do a playlist like that, but I was ashamed because it feels so silly to do it...:blush: (I was also thinking of making a cd with it and give it to him before we part probably forever in a few weeks or months - not sure when - but I'm afraid that would be too explicit... Gosh will I ever stop being a teenager? I act more teenagerish now than when I was a teenager lol :D)

[blazeofglory]

Love is something that really attracts all and indeed there are cases of hate ingrained in it

[Lily Adams]

I'd also go for the chemistry thing, because it doesn't make sense.
I also like this:



Well about the playlist, they make you sad/insane because they remind you of him, or of what you were thinking when listening to those songs thinking of him. I was also going to do a playlist like that, but I was ashamed because it feels so silly to do it...:blush: (I was also thinking of making a cd with it and give it to him before we part probably forever in a few weeks or months - not sure when - but I'm afraid that would be too explicit... Gosh will I ever stop being a teenager? I act more teenagerish now than when I was a teenager lol :D)

Exactly!

I can't really get much sillier, so I thought, "might as well".

[blazeofglory]

This love thing is really intriguing, disturbing too. It is something universally appealing, yet it ultimately is nothing but sheer gibberish.

[chasestalling]

let me revive this thread from blazeofglory's spleen.

love, love is a hill, a rounded hill the opposite of which is a crater, a mere word whose evocation is as harmless and inconsequential as a discarded thought in the labarotory of the poet's mind.

[blazeofglory]

We have kind fixation. We are conditioned to believe it. We love the word love. And there is nothing other than the word in substance.

Love is not eternal. It is like morning dews and it melts away with the proceedings of the day.

See today love affairs fail and marriages are broken.

We really love fantasy. We like to see sweet dreams and once you wake up to facts they are blown up.

Love is a potion that puts us to a state of stupidity and nothing else.

[blazeofglory]

I often wonder whether love is sheer craze or real. Is it a beauty? Is it immortal?

Many idealize it. What is its roots? Does it go endlessly?

Is it confined or infinite?

Can you really rely on your wife or lover under all circumstances?
Does she follow you under all circumstances?

Indeed some of us idealize it and some do not at all.

I am really interested to see how you understand it.

[pussnboots]

I often wonder whether love is sheer craze or real. Is it a beauty? Is it immortal?

Many idealize it. What is its roots? Does it go endlessly?

Is it confined or infinite?

Can you really rely on your wife or lover under all circumstances?
Does she follow you under all circumstances?

Indeed some of us idealize it and some do not at all.

I am really interested to see how you understand it.

I do think that love is real and infinite. Love knows no bounds. It is endless. If one truly loved their significant other they would do anything for that person. I know I would do just about anything for my husband. Do I follow my husband under all circumstances ? No but that doesn't mean I don't love him.
Love is one of the greatest things to share with a person.

[mazHur]

pussnboots-------I do think that love is real and infinite. Love knows no bounds. It is endless. If one truly loved their significant other they would do anything for that person. I know I would do just about anything for my husband. Do I follow my husband under all circumstances ? No but that doesn't mean I don't love him.
Love is one of the greatest things to share with a person.

Blaze, I have to agree with puss. she is very correct. I also passed through the same experience until my wife died,,,,since then I am bereft of love.

Love is a divine feeling as mysterious as God itself. you only find it when you get lost in it as Sufi's try to find God by annihilating themselves in God so that the stigma of duality is absolutely washed away.

[Pensive]

Blaze, I have to agree with puss. she is very correct. I also passed through the same experience until my wife died,,,,since then I am bereft of love.

Love is a divine feeling as mysterious as God itself. you only find it when you get lost in it as Sufi's try to find God by annihilating themselves in God so that the stigma of duality is absolutely washed away.

So you think Suffis know more of love than a normal person?

[mazHur]

So you think Suffis know more of love than a normal person?

I didn't say that.
The love of a normal person is worldly love and may have some element of self-interest.To be honest, I said I am not a Sufi because of the presence of that element in me to some extent. For example, I am liable to be seduced by a beautiful woman !;)

The love of a Sufi is for God and His creation and is selfless ( and cannot be seduced by worldly things including women)

[PeterL]

Love is an impulse that is derived from the survival instinct. Love, as in the attraction between a man and a woman lead toward survival of the DNA of each partner through the creation of offspring. If the man and woman remain together, there is a greater likelihood that the offpring, because the man will be available to provide food and protection to the woman while she in pregnant and incapable of collecting enough food for herself and for the fetus, and later when the infant must be constantly cared for. Love of any other sort is derived from this kind of love by transferring the emotion from person to some other sort of thing. Of course, the feeling of love is mediated by neurotransmitters. The brain chemicals involved are very interesting.

[mazHur]

love is not restricted to love between same genders,,,,there is brotherly love for example. The mechanism of love may be governed by the DNA but would it differentiate between love and lust??

[crazefest456]

I didn't say that.
The love of a normal person is worldly love and may have some element of self-interest.To be honest, I said I am not a Sufi because of the presence of that element in me to some extent. For example, I am liable to be seduced by a beautiful woman !;)

The love of a Sufi is for God and His creation and is selfless ( and cannot be seduced by worldly things including women)

The sufis I have met (who are basically muslims following tusawwuf-- not the stereotyped sufis) are so in love with God and creation that there is no room for getting strayed away. But the thing is, they do fall in love, they do have weakness...it's like, their spirituality and resilience is always developing and is in such a high state that they can stop themselves.
I'm very attracted to the lifestyle of sufis...

[mazHur]

The sufis I have met (who are basically muslims following tusawwuf-- not the stereotyped sufis) are so in love with God and creation that there is no room for getting strayed away. But the thing is, they do fall in love, they do have weakness...it's like, their spirituality and resilience is always developing and is in such a high state that they can stop themselves.
I'm very attracted to the lifestyle of sufis...

True, Sufis are humans like you and me. They are also affected by emotions but unlike us they train themselves mentally and physically to restrain,(control of Nafs),,,,,however, Sufi's have no bar to marrying someone but they usually avoid as domestic indulgence tends to take much of their time and they cant spend much time in their meditation or Ibaadat etc.

Her is a good Sufi site which I had the honor to translate in Urdu for the sake of a Professor Sufi friend there,,,,,,,,,I am sure you will find it interesting and useful .
http://www.sufipsychology.org/page_aboutSPA.htm

A true Sufi will never come close to evil but he can enjoy matrimonial life as we do. Read Imam Ghazali for more,,,,,,,,he was married yet became a leading muslim mystic.

[Pensive]

I didn't say that.
The love of a normal person is worldly love and may have some element of self-interest.To be honest, I said I am not a Sufi because of the presence of that element in me to some extent. For example, I am liable to be seduced by a beautiful woman !;)

The love of a Sufi is for God and His creation and is selfless ( and cannot be seduced by worldly things including women)

I don't think so.

Suffis follow God, love God and His creations because of the selfishness inside them. It makes them feel good that's why they do it, for the satisfaction of their self. Just because the way they choose to love God or his creations is different from me or you doesn't make it more intense, just my opinion. Love between a mother and her child can be as strong. Love between an ugly woman and a beautiful man can be formidable too. Love between two friends can be awesome. Love between me and the chocolate I am eating at the moment can be amazingly powerful as well. :p

Just because you fall in a specific category (such as the people known as Suffis) doesn't make it unselfish. Love being transient or more lasting or ever-lasting, though, is another thing. And just because you don't marry or don't want to marry (or don't want to have sex) doesn't ensure that your 'love' is far greater than those who want all that.

[crazefest456]

A true Sufi will never come close to evil but he can enjoy matrimonial life as we do. Read Imam Ghazali for more,,,,,,,,he was married yet became a leading muslim mystic.

That's really cool. Sufis, when they talk about emotions, it's just really beautiful.
Thanks for reminding me about Imam ghazali-- I recently heard of his books that I'd like to read for myself...

[mazHur]

I don't think so.

Suffis follow God, love God and His creations because of the selfishness inside them. It makes them feel good that's why they do it, for the satisfaction of their self. Just because the way they choose to love God or his creations is different from me or you doesn't make it more intense, just my opinion. Love between a mother and her child can be as strong. Love between an ugly woman and a beautiful man can be formidable too. Love between two friends can be awesome. Love between me and the chocolate I am eating at the moment can be amazingly powerful as well. :p

Just because you fall in a specific category (such as the people known as Suffis) doesn't make it unselfish. Love being transient or more lasting or ever-lasting, though, is another thing. And just because you don't marry or don't want to marry (or don't want to have sex) doesn't ensure that your 'love' is far greater than those who want all that.

If we take it for granted your argument fails because as an analogy you mean to say whatever one does to specialize is out of selfishness. Do doctors, engineers, scientists, teachers etc adopt their profession because they are selfish?? Or, do parents, brothers, sisters, spouses, friends etc base their relationships with selfishness in mind?? If they do so they are wrong. similarly if Sufis think they are good because they are sufi's is wrong. One has to prove himself fit for the cadre by his conduct. Mere words are useless.

Love between an ugly woman and a handsome man is rare though I have seen cuties married to baboons !

[Pensive]

If we take it for granted your argument fails because as an analogy you mean to say whatever one does to specialize is out of selfishness. Do doctors, engineers, scientists, teachers etc adopt their profession because they are selfish??

No. Because they need money or for some other reason, which is selfish too, if they are happy with their choice.


Or, do parents, brothers, sisters, spouses, friends etc base their relationships with selfishness in mind??

They don't 'keep this in their mind'. It's just natural.


If they do so they are wrong. similarly if Sufis think they are good because they are sufi's is wrong. One has to prove himself fit for the cadre by his conduct. Mere words are useless.

When did I say that's wrong? Nothing wrong with being selfish as it's natural. Which words are you talking about by the way?


Love between an ugly woman and a handsome man is rare though I have seen cuties married to baboons !

Rare = not impossible. And marriage has not always got anything to do with love. Many Pakistani women go by arranged-marriages...

[mazHur]

No. Because they need money or for some other reason, which is selfish too, if they are happy with their choice.


you are suppose to pay them without their asking. Afterall, we just can't be spongers living on their time and services.



They don't 'keep this in their mind'. It's just natural.

it may be natural with blood relations but why in case of a completely strange
matrimonial couple ?




When did I say that's wrong? Nothing wrong with being selfish as it's natural. Which words are you talking about by the way?


yes, all emotions are natural but have to be kept under modration



Rare = not impossible. And marriage has not always got anything to do with love. Many Pakistani women go by arranged-marriages...

generally men don't prefer ugly women but women do ! strange,,,,,,!

Arranged marriage is like dating on the internet ,,,what's wrong with that??

[Pensive]

you are suppose to pay them without their asking. Afterall, we just can't be spongers living on their time and services.

Yes, in most of the cases.



it may be natural with blood relations but why in case of a completely strange
matrimonial couple ?

Every action we do for our satisfaction is selfish.



yes, all emotions are natural but have to be kept under modration

So?



generally men don't prefer ugly women but women do ! strange,,,,,,!

I am not sure about that.


Arranged marriage is like dating on the internet ,,,what's wrong with that??

When the hell did I say there is anything wrong with arranged marriage/dating on internet? Either of them? I am okay with both if people involved are doing it on their own consent.

You mentioned that 'cuties' marry 'baboons' and you tried to imply by this that love has any participation in that but all on earth I meant to say was that 'always people don't marry for love, especially in a country where most of the marriages are arranged' so marriage has not always got everything to do with love, for heaven's sake.

[stephofthenight]

so marriage has not always got everything to do with love, for heaven's sake.

your right, marriage is (in my belife) a biblical blessing upon two people who love each other. and now in this currupt world. we are curropting the beautifull blessing God granted us, marriage, and in tern love. you can marry somone for money, fame or anything like that, but if you do this you end up with a currupt marriage. of which generaly leads to cheating and affairs, lies and deciete and turning against god. and the truth of marriage...

[mazHur]

When the hell did I say there is anything wrong with arranged marriage/dating on internet? Either of them? I am okay with both if people involved are doing it on their own consent.

You mentioned that 'cuties' marry 'baboons' and you tried to imply by this that love has any participation in that but all on earth I meant to say was that 'always people don't marry for love, especially in a country where most of the marriages are arranged' so marriage has not always got everything to do with love, for heaven's sake



I think there is some confusion,,,,I didnt say you objected to arranged marriages or otherwise but mere consent is not enough because if only consent had to be based upon people suffer deviations

any marriage does not always got everything to do with love...it depends on your understanding and circumstances of the case/ If you read Savi Savatri you will realize my statement. Nothing is final in matters of love or lust

[Pensive]

I think there is some confusion,,,,I didnt say you objected to arranged marriages or otherwise but mere consent is not enough because if only consent had to be based upon people suffer deviations

Again I didn't talk about whether only consent it is which is necessary. That would be another topic for debate.


any marriage does not always got everything to do with love...it depends on your understanding and circumstances of the case/ If you read Savi Savatri you will realize my statement. Nothing is final in matters of love or lust

Probably you can kindly write in a manner that might be understandable for me (would be quite thankful to you) and I wouldn't have to read Savi Savatri. It's like if I say, think in the way I do and you would realise each and everything. :p

And did I say anything about the finality in matters of love and lust? (jeez lust I didn't even mention!) What has it got to do with the discussion we are actually having by the way? Why not simply accept that any ordinary human-being can love with the same/even more intensity as did Suffis? :p

[mazHur]

Again I didn't talk about whether only consent it is which is necessary. That would be another topic for debate.



Probably you can kindly write in a manner that might be understandable for me (would be quite thankful to you) and I wouldn't have to read Savi Savatri. It's like if I say, think in the way I do and you would realise each and everything. :p

And did I say anything about the finality in matters of love and lust? (jeez lust I didn't even mention!) What has it got to do with the discussion we are actually having by the way? Why not simply accept that any ordinary human-being can love with the same/even more intensity as did Suffis? :p


The love of Sufi's is not the same a ordinary people as the work of an architect is not the same as that of a mason! please try to understand the subtleties involved and go to some Sufi to learn more,,,,,,,am having headache now

[Pensive]

The love of Sufi's is not the same a ordinary people

Who talks about similarity, in fact every person has a different way to care about someone/something. It's about the intensity and power of love.


as the work of an architect is not the same as that of a mason!
How about this analogy then: Kit-kats are almost the same whether given to a child or an adult. Both can keep as much as they want for another time.


please try to understand the subtleties involved and go to some Sufi to learn more,,,,,,,am having headache now

Try to look more closely at the attitude of common people, just take the example of love of a simple mother to learn more.

[mazHur]

=Pensive;504657]Who talks about similarity, in fact every person has a different way to care about someone/something. It's about the intensity and power of love.

may I know the different kinds and ways of love?



How about this analogy then: Kit-kats are almost the same whether given to a child or an adult. Both can keep as much as they want for another time.



you are a difficult girl, hard to convince ! Here, I agree women are superior to men !:D

but havnt you heard, 'meat for one is poison for the other?''


Try to look more closely at the attitude of common people, just take the example of love of a simple mother to learn more.


motherly love is ''impulsive love disorder'' (ILD) ,,,,animals have more stronger motherly love than humans !:D I think you take a class with a genuine Sufi and you will know why women are women !:)

[Pensive]

may I know the different kinds and ways of love?

Suffis choose to reject being the main centre of crowds and lavish parties for the love of God/His creations. A mother despite her hatred for social gatherings decides to take part in them in order to provide a social life for her family. Suffis spend their time meditating to show their love for God. A mother spends her time working to provide for her child who would otherwise sleep hungry.


you are a difficult girl, hard to convince ! Here, I agree women are superior to men !:D

I think I am very flexible (ready to accept when I am wrong, being stubborn like a mule annoys me), but only when the opposite argument holds some truth or weight in it.


but havnt you heard, 'meat for one is poison for the other?''

Would you please be more clear here?


motherly love is ''impulsive love disorder'' (ILD) ,,,,animals have more stronger motherly love than humans !:D I think you take a class with a genuine Sufi and you will know why women are women !:)

Some people consider love for God to be a disorder (and Suffis mentally ill) and others even love itself as the biggest mental illness. I don't have to agree with the either. And even if all love is disorder, still it doesn't disprove my point: A Suffi's love can be as selfish as the love of any ordinary person (whether it's a disorder or not doesn't matter).

[mazHur]

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Pensive;505011]Suffis choose to reject being the main centre of crowds and lavish parties for the love of God/His creations. A mother despite her hatred for social gatherings decides to take part in them in order to provide a social life for her family. Suffis spend their time meditating to show their love for God. A mother spends her time working to provide for her child who would otherwise sleep hungry.


I really don't get you. Do you mean to say it's bad for a sufi to live a sedentary life? Well, there are 'whirling dervishes'', nude Sadhus, stripped Faquirs and Udasi's who 'display' their ''ecstasy'' or 'antics'' in public. Then history tells us Sufi's have fought battles and got martyred.
Unlike Sufis or saints , mothers are concerned with any other problem( maybe husband or inlaws !:) than to look after their children,,,,,



I think I am very flexible (ready to accept when I am wrong, being stubborn like a mule annoys me), but only when the opposite argument holds some truth or weight in it.


I was just joking ;) you are intelligent and down to earth but ,,,,,,,hard to convince



Would you please be more clear here?

this is an idiom or axiom as you call it,,,,look it up for its meaning on the web,,please (and remember it !:lol: )




Some people consider love for God to be a disorder (and Suffis mentally ill) and others even love itself as the biggest mental illness. I don't have to agree with the either. And even if all love is disorder, still it doesn't disprove my point: A Suffi's love can be as selfish as the love of any ordinary person (whether it's a disorder or not doesn't matter).

Sufi cannot be selfish. you are mixing up a ''Dervish'' with Sufi. Yes, Dervishes are sufis plus selfishness,,,,,,,,,,(you and I may be an example of it !:) ;) :D )

[Pensive]

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I really don't get you. Do you mean to say it's bad for a sufi to live a sedentary life? Well, there are 'whirling dervishes'', nude Sadhus, stripped Faquirs and Udasi's who 'display' their ''ecstasy'' or 'antics'' in public. Then history tells us Sufi's have fought battles and got martyred.
Unlike Sufis or saints , mothers are concerned with any other problem( maybe husband or inlaws !:) than to look after their children,,,,,

Jeez why are you insisting on putting words in my mouth I never uttered? I just simply answered your question:


may I know the different kinds and ways of love?


this is an idiom or axiom as you call it,,,,look it up for its meaning on the web,,please (and remember it !:lol: )

Its meaning is not difficult to get but in what context you are using it, is.


Sufi cannot be selfish. you are mixing up a ''Dervish'' with Sufi. Yes, Dervishes are sufis plus selfishness,,,,,,,,,,(you and I may be an example of it !:) ;) :D )

No, they can be. For example Bulleh Shah deeply loved his teacher and his apathy made him so depressed that he started circling (the mystic dance you know) and wrote poetry on it. Now all that he did to get his teacher back to him, to start liking him again. Now see for yourself how selfish his love was, not any lesser than that of any ordinary human being. Reading about others like Shah Wali Ullah also tells us so. All of them wanted their own self-satisfaction.

But probably, you take selfishness as something else so better it is than petty discussion (going nowhere) to agree to disagree here I guess. I like peace.

[Sweets America]

Pensive, do you think love is selfish? I am asking because I don't want to misinterpret what you said.
I think that there is self-satisfaction in love, because being loved is wonderful, and maybe selfishness can be found in the fact that some people put their lover first. But selfishness is balanced with everything one gives when he/she is in love. Love is not really selfishness to me, love is deep sharing and making oneself vulnerable because we know we can be with the one we love.

[Pensive]

Pensive, do you think love is selfish? I am asking because I don't want to misinterpret what you said.
I think that there is self-satisfaction in love, because being loved is wonderful, and maybe selfishness can be found in the fact that some people put their lover first. But selfishness is balanced with everything one gives when he/she is in love. Love is not really selfishness to me, love is deep sharing and making oneself vulnerable because we know we can be with the one we love.

I just mean at the moment that the love of a Sufi is as selfish as the love of an ordinary human-being. An ordinary person can also love to about/more extent when compared to a Suffi. It's just the ways that both adopt which are different. :)

[mazHur]

Pensive, do you think love is selfish? I am asking because I don't want to misinterpret what you said.
I think that there is self-satisfaction in love, because being loved is wonderful, and maybe selfishness can be found in the fact that some people put their lover first. But selfishness is balanced with everything one gives when he/she is in love. Love is not really selfishness to me, love is deep sharing and making oneself vulnerable because we know we can be with the one we love.

Sweet, thanks , you have solved my problem. Pensive wont agree with me because she seems to have some negative notions about love and she wont accept my argument as she has a fixed notion about her fellow countrymen.

What's wrong with Bulleh Shah or Shah Wali if they danced with ecstasy?/ Doesn't one feel the same way in love?? Are you a Wahabi or influenced by the teachings of sir Iqbal? For God's sake don't confuse love with selfishness---in that case it becomes 'lust'':D :(

[Pensive]

Sweet, thanks , you have solved my problem. Pensive wont agree with me because she seems to have some negative notions about love and she wont accept my argument as she has a fixed notion about her fellow countrymen.

Not really. But if you assume it so, I can't help it.


What's wrong with Bulleh Shah or Shah Wali if they danced with ecstasy?/ Doesn't one feel the same way in love?? Are you a Wahabi or influenced by the teachings of sir Iqbal? For God's sake don't confuse love with selfishness---in that case it becomes 'lust'':D :(


Nothing wrong with them. Did I say anything of that sort? But what's wrong with the love of a mother/any ordinary person?

[mazHur]

Not really. But if you assume it so, I can't help it.




Nothing wrong with them. Did I say anything of that sort? But what's wrong with the love of a mother/any ordinary person?


did I ever say I am against motherly love? No. Motherly love is like godly love but should I have to prove it otherwise from my personal experience ??:D :(

[symphony]

Loss Of Valuable Energy. :D

[Pensive]

did I ever say I am against motherly love? No. Motherly love is like godly love but should I have to prove it otherwise from my personal experience ??:D :(

So end of the argument. Good to hear that you finally agree too that a mother (an ordinary person) can love with the same/more intensity as a Suffi.

[Lote-Tree]

Loss Of Valuable Energy. :D

Sympy I did not realise you were an Unbeliever :D

Repent Repent Repent Sympy :D

[Sweets America]

Love is Lote but with a 'v' instead of the 't'. It's as simple as that. Ah, poor Lote, because of one letter you fail to be the embodiement of Love. :( :p

[Lote-Tree]

Love is Lote but with a 'v' instead of the 't'. It's as simple as that. Ah, poor Lote, because of one letter you fail to be the embodiement of Love. :( :p

Yep. That's my life story. Always Failing by a Character ;-(

[Sweets America]

Yep. That's my life story. Always Failing by a Character ;-(

Oh, poor sweetheart. :( Let me pour some fresh water on your leaves. That will make you grow, and with some luck, maybe your needle will grow into a nice lance in time. You know, evolution and such. :D Keep hope sweet tree!

[Lote-Tree]

Oh, poor sweetheart. :( Let me pour some fresh water on your leaves.


You mean on the my roots Sweetie?



That will make you grow, and with some luck, maybe your needle will grow into a nice lance in time. You know, evolution and such. :D Keep hope sweet tree!

But fill me with the old familiar juice and I shall recover... :D

[Sweets America]

You mean on the my roots Sweetie?



But fill me with the old familiar juice and I shall recover... :D

I wanted to pour water onto your leaves and then the water would have fallen to your roots. You would have been all shiny, sweet Tree.
The old familiar juice??

[LadyW]

Sweets, hows the photoshoot plan coming along?
"Needle" hehehe...
:D

[blazeofglory]

Blaze, I have to agree with puss. she is very correct. I also passed through the same experience until my wife died,,,,since then I am bereft of love.

Love is a divine feeling as mysterious as God itself. you only find it when you get lost in it as Sufi's try to find God by annihilating themselves in God so that the stigma of duality is absolutely washed away.

Mazhur, if there are really true accounts or recounts of love it is really in Sufi poems. I do not in fact believe in religions and in religious notions of things, yet I am always kind fascinated by Sufism and Zen. I am not associated with any of them organizationally but my heart lies therein.

Rumi, Hafiz and Attar are my favorites. The Conferences of the Birds is a collection of poems I get never tired of reading. I am really drunk with Sufi poems.

Love in that sense sounds true to me. For there is complete surrender and there is no duality.

Or else love sounds very shallow.

[Sweets America]

Sweets, hows the photoshoot plan coming along?
"Needle" hehehe...
:D

I think it will go well. And if Lote refuses to pose naked, I will just rip off his clothes and that's all. :D He doesn't realize that he has to make efforts to be with Jessica. :p
I hope he's not too ashamed of his needle. We all keep hope that it will grow. :D

[Dorian Gray]

Love is in the embrace of two lips.
When you're lucky. ;)

[blazeofglory]

This is something that drowns us. There is no permanences therein and as such it fades away in a while. And there is no reliability and this is based in imagination only, and ca not transcend limits.

[huihuffaker]

Love is the hope of being cared for. It is when time stops and nothing else around you matters..... the entire world is frozen but you. Love is the hope of finding one person you can chrish for life. But, love can also represent affection for your friends, family, or dedication. Love is so much more than a word. But, the word can be abused. Watch out teens.

[Pearly]

From my point of view, love is a transcendental hope that your darling will be happy with you, that you will always be his/her only dream, wish and desire.

[mazHur]

love may be singular or plural,,,,you may be in love with one or the whole universe,,,,nothing wrong!

[mukta581]

Love never hurries, it is always kind.

It is not jealous, and never boasts of its greatness.

Love is not rude or selfish.

It is always ready to forgive and forget mistakes we make.

Love is no friend of wickedness, but delights in honesty and truth.

Love is strong and never gives up.

It never loses its trust in God or its hope for the future.
Love will survive all things because it is everlasting.

[crazefest456]

since everyone's acting poetic ;)

Love is the joy one gets while successfully pulling the month old lint from the lint trap in (one piece).

[Countess]

[FONT="Courier New"]I recently read that scientists did a study of how love affects the brain, and they found out that when someone is in love it shows up in the same area as where all the mental illness occurs.

Lily is brilliant. Thank-you. Exactly. I am mentally ill right at this moment. I want to make babies - lots of babies - with a 23 year old guy who works at Walmart. Maybe we'll have octuplets.

That's as insane as one can get.

In Love and Love are two very different things. In Love is riding a rollercoaster on a psychedelic drug. You totally lose your mind - rationale flies out the window - the angelic employee of the century is 15 minutes late from break because she was behind Walmart working herself into a biochemical frenzy with a hottie.

Not that we know anyone like that.

Love is very different - it is peaceful and serene; it is terribly boring too, but there is peace in boredom, a tranquility one cannot achieve while riding the Lockness Monster on LSD.

Both are great for different reasons.

Off to ride The Big Bad Wolf tomorrow...

[Dori]

I think... unrequited love, although it is harsh and cutting, is perhaps one of the most beautiful forms of love. However, I am very intrigued by the Strenberg theory...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangular_theory_of_love

Oh, yes! I remember reading this in my psychology textbook (reading ahead never hurt anyone :p ). I was also quite intrigued. :)

[mazHur]

Love is an excuse for procreation and preserving it V\/V

[Lote-Tree]

Love is an excuse for procreation and preserving it V\/V

Obviously you have never loved anyone.

Love and Sex are two different things chappy.

I thought you wrote poetry?

[Sweets America]

Obviously you have never loved anyone.

Love and Sex are two different things chappy.

I thought you wrote poetry?

I agree. Mazhur, couldn't you be a trifle more romantic? :lol:
But well, I see why you would say that since I know your opinion on women in general. :rolleyes:

[mazHur]

love is of two types,,,godly love and banal love. How many fellas do you find around you in godly love ??
poetry deals with all kinds of love, including sex ! It's just a matter of understanding ,,,how you take it.
here I meant the worldly love,,,,,

[mazHur]

Oh, yes! I remember reading this in my psychology textbook (reading ahead never hurt anyone :p ). I was also quite intrigued. :)


I agree. Mazhur, couldn't you be a trifle more romantic? :lol:
But well, I see why you would say that since I know your opinion on women in general. :rolleyes:

sweet, I am all for women and love , you have no reason to doubt that. I only said that as per history and traditions woman is just a ''ribby'' ,,,,and as you know she was only created for Adam to 'spread' love on earth.

Godly love, prophetic love, parental and filial love are ofcourse different than material or ''procreational love'' but how much of you find this in the world especially the heavenly one ?

[Sweets America]

love is of two types,,,godly love and banal love. How many fellas do you find around you in godly love ??
poetry deals with all kinds of love, including sex ! It's just a matter of understanding ,,,how you take it.
here I meant the worldly love,,,,,

What do you mean by 'godly love'? The love that someone feels towards a God? And if yes, why would love between humans be 'banal' compared to that?

[mazHur]

What do you mean by 'godly love'? The love that someone feels towards a God? And if yes, why would love between humans be 'banal' compared to that?

because God is not banal ,,,,

[PrinceMyshkin]

What do you mean by 'godly love'? The love that someone feels towards a God? And if yes, why would love between humans be 'banal' compared to that?

I think he may be drawing on two of the three words the Greeks had for love: "eros," meaning sexual or romantic love; "philia," meaning affection - as for a relative - of a non-sexual sort; and "agape" which Christians adopted to indicate spiritual love or the love of a divinity.

[Sweets America]

sweet, I am all for women and love , you have no reason to doubt that. I only said that as per history and traditions woman is just a ''ribby'' ,,,,and as you know she was only created for Adam to 'spread' love on earth.

Godly love, prophetic love, parental and filial love are ofcourse different than material or ''procreational love'' but how much of you find this in the world especially the heavenly one ?

Jesus Christ! :eek2: :eek2: I am sorry to take the name of the Lord in vain, but JESUS CHRIST!

The woman was only created for Adam to spread love on earth, eh?
You are so condescending, Mr Butt. Seriously.

I wonder if you only write such things to make people react. I think I would prefer if it were the case, because if it is not, then you scare me.

I am not saying that what you say about Adam and such is wrong. I am just greatly surprised by the fact that you seem to be totally sure that it is right.

[Sweets America]

because God is not banal ,,,,

I am not banal either. And you, my friend, are quite a strange person as well! :D

[mazHur]

I think he may be drawing on two of the three words the Greeks had for love: "eros," meaning sexual or romantic love; "philia," meaning affection - as for a relative - of a non-sexual sort; and "agape" which Christians adopted to indicate spiritual love or the love of a divinity.


thank you, Prince for helping me out of hell !

[mazHur]

sweet, it's a fact that humans have 'banal' desires,,,,,if you dont like the banal word you can substitute some other cozy one for that

[mazHur]

to be strange doesnt necessarily mean one is 'bad',,,,,,,,,

[crazefest456]

Love is the rush your feet feel after changing positions for a very long time.

Love is my mind, delirious.

Love is "lalalaalaalaaaaaaaaaaa" *twirls, and crashes on the sofa*

[Sweets America]

to be strange doesnt necessarily mean one is 'bad',,,,,,,,,

Oh no absolutely not, I agree with you on that part. It is good to be strange. It is just that there are different degrees of strangeness. :D

[PrinceMyshkin]

sweet, I am all for women and love , you have no reason to doubt that. I only said that as per history and traditions woman is just a ''ribby'' ,,,,and as you know she was only created for Adam to 'spread' love on earth.

Maybe you are "all for women and love," but you have a decidedly condescending view of women or as you call them here "ribbies..." What sort of love can you have for someone you feel is inferior to you? Can it be full, adult, mutually respectful love - or the sort one might feel for a faithful servant or a house pet?

Apropos the rib origin, read on a little further: Genesis 2, 24: "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh." (Emphasis added). If they are one flesh, can one part of this flesh be superior to another part?

[Sweets America]

Maybe you are "all for women and love," but you have a decidedly condescending view of women or as you call them here "ribbies..." What sort of love can you have for someone you feel is inferior to you? Can it be full, adult, mutually respectful love - or the sort one might feel for a faithful servant or a house pet?

Apropos the rib origin, read on a little further: Genesis 2, 24: "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh." (Emphasis added). If they are one flesh, can one part of this flesh be superior to another part?

Ah, good answer. The only thing that makes me cringe is the reference to house pets being treated as inferiors. :D
Anyway, let me all tell you the true story about Adam and Eve. I just heard it today: Adam and Eve were next to the apple tree when suddenly a snake appeared. Adam got scared, he turned all white. Eve immediately grabbed a nearby apple and thrown it to the snake so that it would knock him out. It worked, but Adam was still feeling very scared and Eve saw that he was about to faint so she told him to bite in the apple because she was scared he was in hypoglycemia. That's all. :) :p

[mazHur]

Maybe you are "all for women and love," but you have a decidedly condescending view of women or as you call them here "ribbies..." What sort of love can you have for someone you feel is inferior to you? Can it be full, adult, mutually respectful love - or the sort one might feel for a faithful servant or a house pet?

Apropos the rib origin, read on a little further: Genesis 2, 24: "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh." (Emphasis added). If they are one flesh, can one part of this flesh be superior to another part?


we are not discussing love between men and women nor what the Bible says about it.

Plato called it a frenzy.....
Greeks and Romans called it 'sickness;,,,,,
Romantic love is death-seeking,,
In love every man starts from the beginning'''---Kierkegaarde
love is an attempt to restore lost identity,,,,
Love is philia, Philadelphia, philanthropia,symposium,,agape,caritas,(1Cor.13),l ibido,amor,epithymia, etc etc
Love is the sense of mutual attraction in procreation and sex --from molecule to man!
Love seeks deviant ways of satisfaction,,,,,,,,homosexuality, necrophilia,bestiality etc
God created mothers,,,the symbol of true love,,,,because he could not be everywhere--Talmud
Love is a hunger for unity, cessation of being separate and alone
Love is desire and pursuit of the Whole!

As far as the status of women is concerned ,,,did I say anything against them? You are just assuming so from the traditional quotes about them,,,
I regard them equal to men in many aspects but some,,,, and It's my faith that they have to be respected and loved the most.

add: and that's why Muslims and Mormons are allowed to take more than one woman as wife at one time (to avoid indulgence in debauchery and promiscuity) !

[mazHur]

Ah, good answer. The only thing that makes me cringe is the reference to house pets being treated as inferiors. :D
Anyway, let me all tell you the true story about Adam and Eve. I just heard it today: Adam and Eve were next to the apple tree when suddenly a snake appeared. Adam got scared, he turned all white. Eve immediately grabbed a nearby apple and thrown it to the snake so that it would knock him out. It worked, but Adam was still feeling very scared and Eve saw that he was about to faint so she told him to bite in the apple because she was scared he was in hypoglycemia. That's all. :) :p


Good, Sweet may be the first woman to give men a new edition of ''modern Arabian Nights '' or the Decameron'', perhaps ! :) :D

[mazHur]

Love is the rush your feet feel after changing positions for a very long time.

Love is my mind, delirious.

Love is "lalalaalaalaaaaaaaaaaa" *twirls, and crashes on the sofa*


Viola, you give an 'extempore''/spontaneous definition of Love ! Great !

[Lily Adams]

Love feels like you're being electrocuted from the inside out. It's all jittery and squealy. I'm speaking for straight girls, at least.