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Arania

01-12-2007, 12:57 AM

I just finished a book called Twilight by Stephenie Meyer. It was her first book and although it started out poorly written, it evolved into something magnificent.

If you read the synopsis, it sounds like one of those terrible ridiculous teenage books that are all written the same and have proposterous plot lines that make you want to throw up.

But it isn't.

500 and something pages and I made it through in two days. It's not that the writing is so advanced, rather that the author pulls you so deeply into the story that it's impossible not to experience the emotions of all of the characters. I don't think I've ever been so involved in a story.

Afterwards, I was emotionally drained and unresponsive/antisocial because it somehow took so much out of me. You will find yourself wanting desperately to go back into that world.

xIAxEllax

01-12-2007, 02:51 PM

I felt the exact same way. For days i could not concentrate on any one thing in particular as i was hoping if i closed my eyes and wished enough, i could find my self in rainy forks oregon looking into the dangerously seductive eyes of Edward and falling faster and faster into the liquid velvety softness of his voice, i could also relate to the character bella in so many ways, shes shy, a new kid, and has a taste for the dangerous side of life. she wants to live on the edge and be with the one person that could destroy her. It took all i could to pull myself away.

The Nights Wing

01-30-2007, 10:17 PM

I also agree with everything you said! I reread both Twighlight and New Moon so many times. I read them about six times each in one week-the second I ended I restarted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BroadwayBaby

06-25-2007, 02:32 AM

I agree! I read them both about 5 times, and I thought I would hate them at first (my cousin got them for me for christmas) but I read Twilight on a plane trip (we were going to Bermuda) and instantly fell in love...

soulsistachick

10-29-2007, 10:09 PM

I think eclipse is the best book so far in the series with twilight running a close second.... But New Moon has too much Jacob-Bella times in it!

browneyedbailey

12-14-2007, 10:35 PM

There is a book called Twilight written by Stephenie Meyer. Has any body read it? What do you think of Edward?

NO SPOILERS!!

NikolaiI

12-14-2007, 11:31 PM

Is it anything like Twilight of the Idols? :D
hehe, sorry :|

browneyedbailey

12-15-2007, 11:54 AM

I don't know what that is. Sorry

Zelly

12-15-2007, 01:16 PM

browneyedbailey

12-15-2007, 07:03 PM

I have't met him yet. I'm just now to the part where they're looking at the cross Charlise's father carved.

Bakiryu

12-15-2007, 07:39 PM

Yeah. I've read it. And New Moon. And most of Eclipse. I'm good for discussion. PM me. I don't really know how to talk about it without spoilers.

As to Edward. I honestly like Jakob better at this point. Edwards cool, but he's honestly a pain sometimes.

Yay! someone elese agrees with me!

Edwards is so annoying in the book something, but Jacob's character is so much more interesting.

I won't say anything else, since I don't want to spoil the book for you but........

THEY'RE MAKING A MOVIE ABOUT IT! *[insert ear-splitting, girlish squeal here]*

browneyedbailey

12-15-2007, 08:17 PM

Ditto! I personally ADODRE Edward! I want to meet my Edward. I have a crush on him.

Bakiryu

12-15-2007, 08:46 PM

Ditto! I personally ADODRE Edward! I want to meet my Edward. I have a crush on him.

he sounds too unreal. Jacob is way better, trust me :D

browneyedbailey

12-16-2007, 06:12 PM

I refuse to belive it! I LOVE EDWARD!! La-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la...

Zelly

12-16-2007, 07:46 PM

I love Edward too. But Jaccob. (I listened to the books, so I don't know the spelling, *blush*) is soooo awesome. Plus, he's warm. One of my friends made a joke about how you'd want Edward in the summer and Jacob in the winter.

And Baki! YESH! THE MOVIE! EEE! =D

browneyedbailey

12-16-2007, 10:27 PM

I stand firm with Edward!! I refuse to belive otherwise. Jacob is weird and I don't think he likes Bella as much as Edward LOVES her. Edward would do ANYTHING for Bella. He couldn't live without her. He said that "I would find out some way to kill myself to be with you Bella. I would do anything. I can't live without you. I love you." Jacob wouldn't do OR say that. I don't like his dad Billy either.

Nightshade

12-17-2007, 04:47 AM

Humm I havent read the book but strange thing ( funny?) about our copy ( I work in a library).
Our copy was accidently misshelved or possibly it was on the just in shelf but anyway this really old lady picked it up and read it and loved it.
And it just made me think how many people missout on a book they might love because they never see past the classification.

n_maw

12-17-2007, 12:32 PM

Zelly

12-17-2007, 01:16 PM

I just could never see what Bella saw in Edward. I didn't think he was that interesting. How could you cuddle up to somebody like that? Now Jacob, I could get into. I loved the scene in the tent. So nice and warm. Warm vs. cold, I'd go warm and cuddly any day.

I completely agree, yus yus.

I like Edward. But he's so... I really can't find any other word... Annoying... I mean... Like when he leaves in New Moon, he just seems like he's being a pain. Almost reacting to his own insecurities. And he's a know-it-all. Blah. I just don't like him as much as I used to. Jacob is so much more snuggly. =)

browneyedbailey

12-17-2007, 06:15 PM

I HAVEN'T READ NEW MOON! DON'T TALK! la la la la la la............... *annoyingly carries on*

Bakiryu

12-17-2007, 06:25 PM

Now guys: DON'T SPOIL THE BOOK FOR BAILEY!

I stand firm with Edward!! I refuse to belive otherwise. Jacob is weird and I don't think he likes Bella as much as Edward LOVES her. Edward would do ANYTHING for Bella. He couldn't live without her. He said that "I would find out some way to kill myself to be with you Bella. I would do anything. I can't live without you. I love you." Jacob wouldn't do OR say that. I don't like his dad Billy either.

Yes he would.

Edwards sounds too much like a psycho.

browneyedbailey

12-17-2007, 09:25 PM

NO!! I refuse to belive what you say!! lalalalalalalalalalalalalala

n_maw

12-20-2007, 11:25 AM

I HAVEN'T READ NEW MOON! DON'T TALK! la la la la la la............... *annoyingly carries on*

If you haven't read New Moon than you haven't even gotten into Jacob's character. New Moon and Eclipse is where we truly get into the Edward vs. Jacob debate. Once you read it then you'll get it.

By the way, they have started casting for the movie and only one more year to go before Breaking Dawn comes out!

browneyedbailey

12-20-2007, 05:58 PM

I know! I'm reading New Moon now. EDWARD LEAVES!! HOW COULD HE DO THAT!! HE LOVES BELLA!! I'M GONNA FLIP!!

:flare: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Bakiryu

12-20-2007, 11:22 PM

I know! I'm reading New Moon now. EDWARD LEAVES!! HOW COULD HE DO THAT!! HE LOVES BELLA!! I'M GONNA FLIP!!

:flare: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Ha!

i told ya so, I told ya so! [insert I told you dance here] :D

Ocelot

12-20-2007, 11:28 PM

I love Edward, in a way. But I also love Jacob. I've read Twilight and New Moon. I'm waiting for my library to give me Eclipse. =( But yeah, I don't know. I like them both. Jacob is becoming more likeable the further into the series it goes. I'm gonna have to see how that works out. Edward is awesome, but he can also be such a pain. So, I don't know yet. We'll see after I've read Eclipse whether he or Jacob is better. For now I just can't wait to see what happens next.

Zelly

12-20-2007, 11:55 PM

Jacob. <333

Bakiryu

12-21-2007, 12:05 AM

*Edges away letting the fangirls fight it out while concealing secret fangirlsm for Jasper*

Zelly

12-21-2007, 12:11 AM

>.<

Even though he's evil.. I kinda liked Laurent.

Ocelot

12-21-2007, 12:16 AM

*Edges away letting the fangirls fight it out while concealing secret fangirlsm for Jasper*

Oooooh, I kinda liked Jasper too.

browneyedbailey

12-21-2007, 07:51 PM

I do 2, and Emmet. but mostly Edward. now to flip: JAKE IS A WAREWOLF?!?!?!?! HOW DID THIS COME TO PLAY?!?!?! AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! I knew something was wrong when Bella described his body temperature! I'm just to the part where she finds out what her dream means. I knew Lawrence wouldn't listen to Carlisle.

Zelly

12-21-2007, 08:25 PM

Did anyone else not see that coming? I guessed from the first book... Even though apparently Stephenie Meyer didn't plan on it... I figured Jake was gonna be a werewolf...

browneyedbailey

12-22-2007, 11:12 AM

Edward's back!! Yay!!

I just could never see what Bella saw in Edward. I didn't think he was that interesting. How could you cuddle up to somebody like that? Now Jacob, I could get into. I loved the scene in the tent. So nice and warm. Warm vs. cold, I'd go warm and cuddly any day.

I like the cold:cold: . Besides, too much heat :flare: and I act weird. If it were for Edward, it's totally worth it.

Jacob. <333

motherhubbard didn't know what <333 meant.

Oooooh, I kinda liked Jasper too.

amen!

I was thinking and I noticed how selfish Jake is, asking Bella who she likes, Forcing her to hold her hand, But Edward doesn't do that at all unless he's really hurting. And Bella understands. I just think that Edward is more respectfull of Bella. Jake is soooo self centered. Just wanted to point that out.

Zelly

12-23-2007, 11:03 PM

I was thinking and I noticed how selfish Jake is, asking Bella who she likes, Forcing her to hold her hand, But Edward doesn't do that at all unless he's really hurting. And Bella understands. I just think that Edward is more respectfull of Bella. Jake is soooo self centered. Just wanted to point that out.

I think the Stephenie Meyer is making a point there, Jake is much more human that Edward. I'm just saying, that under normal circumstances, Edward would be like that too. *sigh* I musn't give the books away. >.< I agree, Edward is better about that. But I wouldn't want to go out with someone who was that perfect. I did at one time, and it was too hard for me. When you are the only one who makes mistakes in a relationship, things don't usually work.

n_maw

12-24-2007, 01:27 AM

But I wouldn't want to go out with someone who was that perfect. I did at one time, and it was too hard for me. When you are the only one who makes mistakes in a relationship, things don't usually work.

This is exactly why I couldn't get into the whole Edward thing. Too perfect, therefore too boring. Where was any of the fun? Things are way to tense and stressful in their relationship. I mean when could you ever relax if your boyfriend wanted to kill you all the time.

Sounds like browneyedbailey has an infatuation with Edward.;) I really like watching your reactions. My mother in law is reading the book right now, can't wait to discuss it with her. We read this series for my book club. I loved the debate over if it was you, who would you choose? I'd still choose Jacob any day. Bella was truly "herself" with Jacob, he brought out her true relaxed, fun character vs. uptight, stressed out character with Edward. She really is two different people with each character.

browneyedbailey

12-24-2007, 10:08 AM

Zelly, I'm now waiting on Eclpipse. I'm done with New Moon.

This is exactly why I couldn't get into the whole Edward thing. Too perfect, therefore too boring. Where was any of the fun? Things are way to tense and stressful in their relationship. I mean when could you ever relax if your boyfriend wanted to kill you all the time.

Sounds like browneyedbailey has an infatuation with Edward.;) I really like watching your reactions. My mother in law is reading the book right now, can't wait to discuss it with her. We read this series for my book club. I loved the debate over if it was you, who would you choose? I'd still choose Jacob any day. Bella was truly "herself" with Jacob, he brought out her true relaxed, fun character vs. uptight, stressed out character with Edward. She really is two different people with each character.

sure, we'll debate. Bella doesn't like Jacob but she really likes Edward. Bella loves him and at this point ( because of the Volorti) she can't really stop.

n_maw

12-24-2007, 01:48 PM

sure, we'll debate. Bella doesn't like Jacob but she really likes Edward. Bella loves him and at this point ( because of the Volorti) she can't really stop.

Just wait until the next book . . .

Zelly

12-24-2007, 02:26 PM

*drum roll* =P

I agree with you, N_maw, two different people.

I can see that both Jacob and Edward have they're good qualities. I just think that I would go for Jacob over Edward.. But that's just a personal preference.

browneyedbailey

12-24-2007, 06:59 PM

You know what I think?
EDWARD!!!:D

I also like Jasper and Emmet

Just wait until the next book . . .

well that's what I'm forced now. fy friend can't give me his book to read now because we don't see eachother 'till Jan 3rd. *sighs* oh well.

n_maw

01-02-2008, 04:45 PM

I let my mother in law read Twilight and New Moon over the Christmas holidays. She LOVED them both. Even though I've read Eclipse, I don't own it, so she wasn't able to finish. She's got 90 people ahead of her at the library with only 4 copies. She was so upset!

Wallnutters

01-02-2008, 09:11 PM

Topekachu

01-04-2008, 03:00 PM

n_maw

01-04-2008, 03:24 PM

I have not read this book, but many of my friends have. Through peer pressure and a large amount of curiosity, I might start reading the series. I've heard its very good...anything I should know before reading?

Nope! It's actually better if you know absolutely nothing about it.

So browneyedbailey, have you finished? I want to know what you thought. Did you like the way it ended?

browneyedbailey

01-07-2008, 09:21 PM

omg! i wish i found this thread earlier! i loooooooooooove the books, the whole series. i cant believe the ending of eclipse, though. the fourth promises to be good. i must say though, i enjoy edward more. the way he's so gentlemanly and kind just makes me and my friends so giddy. i wasnt too happy with new moon, since it wasnt as edward-filled as twilight though by the middle of eclipse, i felt so strongly for him. hes really the kind of guy that any normal girl would fall in love with, in a normal world. i love the act that jake is a werewolf, it really creates opposites for bella to choose from. (and i also love that poem at the beginning of eclipse, "fire and ice".. i would rather choose fire >.<)
but ever since i had a dream involving jasper, ive been in love with him. though it would suck with his ability to manipulate your feelings.
anyways, between the two, i would choose edward because hes just overall a great guy. jacob is good because hes the logical, practical choice, but... i have to go withedward, between the two.
(and i looved the scene in the tent in eclipse :P)
KAWAII!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

finally, SOMEONE agrees with me! I looooooooooooove Edward....

I have not read this book, but many of my friends have. Through peer pressure and a large amount of curiosity, I might start reading the series. I've heard its very good...anything I should know before reading?

It's nothing I had expected.

Nope! It's actually better if you know absolutely nothing about it.

True

So browneyedbailey, have you finished? I want to know what you thought. Did you like the way it ended?

Not yet. I like the "trying to seduce a vampire", " yes, you do smell terribly of dog love", and the proposal sceene, the pleading with Alice about the wedding, and finally when Bella punches Jake and breaks her hand.

Now I'm glad Victoria is dead. but why Leah? she's so young. And the Volorti could have been kinder to poor Bree. she didn't know, Riley never told her. I like the WHOLE time [I]anyone[I] is in the tent.

Hey, everybody go to stepheniemeyer.com and look at the cast of characters ant tell me what you think.

Edward: Stephen Strait

Bella: Danielle Panabaker

Emmett: Daniel Cudmore

Alice: Rachel Leigh Cook

one of my own
Jasper: Tom Felton

Tersely

01-15-2008, 02:01 PM

Wallnutters

01-15-2008, 05:07 PM

hey bailey, those arent the actual cast memebers.. those are just strephenie's picks to play them.... just making sure you knw.(the guy who played cedric diggory in hp4 is edward :P) im sooooo excited for the movie! dec. 12, 2008! only a bit less than a year to go :P stephenies writing a book on the side called "midnight sun" thats written in edwards perspective... can't wait for that one to come out (tho its the next in the series, so itll be a while)
did leah really die? i thought she just got attacked but then jacob saevd her and ended up getting seriously hurt but she survived.. did i miss a whole death scene in the book? dammit. oh wells.

Tersely

01-15-2008, 07:00 PM

did leah really die? i thought she just got attacked but then jacob saevd her and ended up getting seriously hurt but she survived.. did i miss a whole death scene in the book? dammit. oh wells.

She didnt die. Someone did get taken out by the Volturi but it wasnt a major character.

browneyedbailey

01-17-2008, 06:21 PM

I loved the First and Second book but the Third just seemed so drawn out and choppy. I wont get detailed since some havent read it yet. It is a good series, and I'm eagerly awaiting for the fourth part to come out. Hopefully it'll wrap up good...I didnt like how the third book ended. :( It didnt feel right.

It was sad but Jake kinda deserved it. He was sooooooo selfish.

hey bailey, those arent the actual cast memebers.. those are just strephenie's picks to play them.... just making sure you knw.(the guy who played cedric diggory in hp4 is edward :P) im sooooo excited for the movie! dec. 12, 2008! only a bit less than a year to go :P stephenies writing a book on the side called "midnight sun" thats written in edwards perspective... can't wait for that one to come out (tho its the next in the series, so itll be a while)
did leah really die? i thought she just got attacked but then jacob saevd her and ended up getting seriously hurt but she survived.. did i miss a whole death scene in the book? dammit. oh wells.

Cedric Diggory IS Edward!! I could't tell who that was!!

She didnt die. Someone did get taken out by the Volturi but it wasnt a major character.

Poor Bree...

Sounds like browneyedbailey has an infatuation with Edward.;)

Very funny. I Just like him (a lot), thats all

Anza

01-17-2008, 06:27 PM

I have an infatuation with Edward, too! Don't be afraid to admit it, Bailey!! Edward is smexy!! Still, I claim Jasper, instead. The whole story of his human life was kinda cool. Plus he's a lot like I am.

browneyedbailey

01-17-2008, 06:31 PM

I'm not! and he is smexy. very.

Bakiryu

01-17-2008, 07:27 PM

:lol:

Tersely

01-17-2008, 08:08 PM

It was sad but Jake kinda deserved it. He was sooooooo selfish.

Poor Bree...

Haha I feel the same way. It was just weird because in that book he was so forceful. I felt you could tell the intenseness between Edward and Bella...so what was he trying to do? He wasnt really like that in the second book. Actually...he kinda ran for it.
Yeah she definetely didnt deserve that. makes me wonder how the Volturi will be in the next book. I hope they get more space in the book.

browneyedbailey

01-18-2008, 08:09 PM

Haha I feel the same way. It was just weird because in that book he was so forceful. I felt you could tell the intenseness between Edward and Bella...so what was he trying to do? He wasnt really like that in the second book. Actually...he kinda ran for it.
Yeah she definetely didnt deserve that. makes me wonder how the Volturi will be in the next book. I hope they get more space in the book.

Jacob got P.O'ed at something and ran out of anger. and I'm scared of the mind-lady. It's terrible! escpecially when she does is to Edward...:bawling: :bawling: :bawling: :bawling:

B-Mental

01-18-2008, 08:35 PM

I need more cowbel Bailey..more cowbell...lol

Tersely

01-18-2008, 09:46 PM

Jacob got P.O'ed at something and ran out of anger. and I'm scared of the mind-lady. It's terrible! escpecially when she does is to Edward...:bawling: :bawling: :bawling: :bawling:

Are you talking bout Jane? Yeah, shes scary. Willing people to feel pain on thought it pretty bad. I wonder what her twin brother can do. I bet hes even worse.

browneyedbailey

01-19-2008, 11:52 AM

Are you talking bout Jane? Yeah, shes scary. Willing people to feel pain on thought it pretty bad. I wonder what her twin brother can do. I bet hes even worse.

She has a twin? ?????????????????:eek2: wow. And B-Mental, what do you mean?:goof:

I relize and wanted to point it out:
Edward respects Bella and doesn't push her to do things she doesn't want to do. Jake on the other hand forced Bella into a kiss and holding his hand and such, wich is why I like the Respectable Edward.

Hello?

Bakiryu

01-25-2008, 10:17 PM

Konichiwa!

Wallnutters

01-25-2008, 10:19 PM

ello ^^

Anza

01-25-2008, 10:55 PM

Edward is SMEXY!!! I call Jasper, though.

browneyedbailey

01-26-2008, 11:01 AM

Jasper'd kill ya. So would Alice for that matter. And Edward is MINE!

I will say it was NOTHING I expected. I can't wait for the 4th

Tersely

01-26-2008, 12:14 PM

For days i could not concentrate on any one thing in particular as i was hoping if i closed my eyes and wished enough, i could find my self in rainy forks oregon

**Forks, Washington
Oregon is where they are suppose to be filming the movie.
It was a good book...theres another thread somewhere going on about it too.

browneyedbailey

01-26-2008, 05:05 PM

I read Midnight Sun on the sight. OMG! that's why Edward left.... I can't wait.....

Wallnutters

01-26-2008, 05:23 PM

nooooooooooooo!! bailey! way to ruin it.. i know you diint say much, but my stupid imagination runs with it and kills it.... >.>
i had this dream about jasper, and ever since then, ive had an infatuation with him. though of course, only edward makes me giddy. so he wins. ha.
i cant wait for breaking dawn either. its gonna be exciting....my friends and i are trying to figure out what will happen.. its getting pretty crazy, especially with the ending of eclipse. gah! im getting excited just thinking about it :3

browneyedbailey

01-26-2008, 08:23 PM

sorry.

Hey go to Wikapedia and look up the Twilight series and there's a ton of info about all the characters.

I love Edward!!!!!!!! <3 <3 <3

mir

01-31-2008, 10:44 AM

This was the first book I read through in Italian. It was so fun that I got through it in 2 weeks even though I'm not so good at the language!!

And Jacob is very awesome as well, in the 2nd one

browneyedbailey

01-31-2008, 10:53 PM

No Edward is.

mir

02-01-2008, 10:12 AM

Meh, I would settle for either one :p

browneyedbailey

02-01-2008, 10:36 AM

EDWARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol!

Wallnutters

02-01-2008, 06:46 PM

hey, what do you guys think will happen in the fourth book? and who/ what do you think will get cut out of the movie? asking cuz im curious as to others' opinions.
and jacob does grow on you in the second book, though thats becuase there was no edward until the end-ish. lol

browneyedbailey

02-02-2008, 11:24 AM

Not really. He didn't grow on me. And I don't think they're gonna cut anyone out of the movie. I can feel it'll be an AMAZING movie. And I looked at the cast. That's how I know.

Tersely

02-02-2008, 01:22 PM

Not really. He didn't grow on me. And I don't think they're gonna cut anyone out of the movie. I can feel it'll be an AMAZING movie. And I looked at the cast. That's how I know.

That's what we thought bout the last Star Wars too until Hayden Christensen started talking. "NO, I LOVE YOU." "....LIAR!"
Ack.
I just hope they don't screw up the script, or get the details wrong. I'm confident about the acting...but we've all been disappointed when we love a book but the movie just isn't up to par.

browneyedbailey

02-02-2008, 02:37 PM

They better not. I'll be devestaded if it's bad. Crushed! Smashed into an oblivion! okay so I'm exaggerating but I'll be upset.

Wallnutters

02-02-2008, 05:42 PM

well, i think that some people/ parts have to be cut because you hav eto admit that the book moves slowly at some parts. and i do have a feeling that it wont be the best, but not like horrible either. though i do have faith/hope. this better be worth the wait!

browneyedbailey

02-02-2008, 05:48 PM

I hpe they'll keep the meadow sceene.

Tersely

02-02-2008, 11:47 PM

If they didn't...that's instant death there. The best conversations happen there and in his 'Stupid Shiny Volvo'.

browneyedbailey

02-03-2008, 06:56 PM

I want a the Volvo and the Porche. "my poor car!"

Wakaba

02-03-2008, 09:06 PM

i want the porsche. did it ever say anything about alice shifting? i recall wondering why they didnt describe alice shifting invisibly fast....i could be wrong

Tersely

02-03-2008, 09:15 PM

I dont remember...I just remember her stealing it, then wanting one and getting it in the next book. I'd take that Aston Martin he had for prom. Niice.

Wakaba

02-03-2008, 09:36 PM

yeah i have the books, im just too lazy to look :/

browneyedbailey

02-03-2008, 10:16 PM

Who's yor fave character? As one should tell mine are Edward and Emmett.

Wakaba

02-03-2008, 10:40 PM

alice always appeared to me as a small (5'6 at most) cute, yet beautiful young lady; obviously strong as an ox and uncontrollably magnetic, as the book classifies all the cullens.

Zelly

02-04-2008, 12:23 AM

Alice is under five feet tall. It's in ze book. =D

Oh yeah, and just a note. JAKE.

I think Edward was selfish too, saying things on purpose to hurt Jake. Neither of them is perfect. I think this is just a personal preference.

I don't like how controlling Edward is. It could be taken as him being protective, but I think it's almost diminiutive. For example, when he comes back in New Moon, he seems to want it to be both Bella's fault he left you know, the whole "You believed me so quickly my love" thing, and then he wanted her sympathy too, trying to be like "It was the greatest mistake" or whatever. It seems like he wants her sympathy, but also to be blameless. This is just my take on it. Having had my share of controlling boyfriends, I feel very strongly about this.

Wallnutters

02-04-2008, 10:39 PM

thats an interesting thought zelly! never thought of it like that, but i do agree with you on edwards aying things on purpose to hurt jake, like in the meadow, when he got bella to say that they were getting married so that jake would know to back off. it was a really mean thing to say and if i was bella i wouldve had such a bigger reaction than "oh no! jake overheard!" evs. im over it.
i have to say that alice has to be one of my fave characters. shes always so perky and fun. i like jasper too. and edawrd goes without say.

Bakiryu

02-04-2008, 10:56 PM

Who's yor fave character? As one should tell mine are Edward and Emmett.

Jacob, Jasper and Alice.

Edward annoys me a little, Bella is too....blah. I like her just not as much as Alice. And I like Jessice, 'cause she's my namesake. :banana:

browneyedbailey

02-05-2008, 02:33 PM

True...

n_maw

02-07-2008, 05:40 PM

New as of this morning: Breaking Dawn, the fourth book in the Twilight Series will be released on midnight, Saturday August 2nd, 2008.

Let the hysteria begin.

Wallnutters

02-07-2008, 05:53 PM

really? that is so sick!!! cant wait to get my hands on it.. ^^

Zelly

02-08-2008, 12:49 AM

Has anyone read the first chapter of Midnight Sun? =D

browneyedbailey

02-09-2008, 07:48 AM

New as of this morning: Breaking Dawn, the fourth book in the Twilight Series will be released on midnight, Saturday August 2nd, 2008.

Let the hysteria begin.

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

really? that is so sick!!! cant wait to get my hands on it.. ^^

Me neither

Has anyone read the first chapter of Midnight Sun? =D

Me! It's sooooooo cool to get in Edward's head.

Wallnutters

02-10-2008, 02:44 PM

i cant wait for midnight sun to come out... its so interesting to be inside edwardds head and it makes sense now after reading the first chapter why he was so against bella getting close to him. i find it exciting to be able to feel what he feels, with knowing what everyone is thinking and the vampireness... riiiiight.

browneyedbailey

02-10-2008, 07:13 PM

couldn't have said it any better.

What do you think Breaking Dawn's going to be like?

livelaughlove

02-24-2008, 04:19 PM

I'm so excited! I'm a newbie to the Twilight series but I bought Twilight last Saturday and today I'm almost finished with Eclipse. I honestly just could not put them down!! They are so good.

I like Edward more than Jacob, but I definitely think he gets too controlling at times. I love the element of danger that goes with being with Edward. Meyer constructed Edward perfectly - what girl (little or not) does not want to be protected by the man they are in love with?

Great series! I have a feeling that these will be my travel books (when I travel I like to take a few books with me that I can re-read, kind of like a comfort object)

browneyedbailey

02-24-2008, 05:18 PM

Yes!!! I'm sooooooooooooooo paranoid that I'm going to read the whole serries all over agian. lol.

Bring this thread to life!!!!! C'mon!!

Wallnutters

03-23-2008, 06:29 PM

well, the first three had the antagonists in common- those three vamps that i cant remember the name of right now (wow, and i call myself a twilight lover...), but in the last, the last vamp died. so my friend and i have this theory that those vamps from alaska (again names are gone! gah!) will become more prominent, especially that one that was in love with that vamp killed by the wolves (laurel? lauren?). which should be exciting. (was her name tara? something with a t...)
is this the last book (besides midnight sun)? i hope not... it seems too soon to end it like that. bella cant turn in this one. i refuse to believe that shell turn! my friend thinks she will, but i find that if she turns in this one, it will end the series, even if it is the last book.
question my friend asked a couple days ago: what if they found out bella was pregnant before turning her? what would happen to her unborn kid?

browneyedbailey

03-26-2008, 05:41 PM

I think it's Leah that you're looking for. And I also think that Bella turns in Breaking Dawn. The fetus would most likely die. Ask why and I'll tell you....

Bakiryu

03-26-2008, 06:09 PM

I keep waiting for the movie........!

browneyedbailey

03-29-2008, 05:21 PM

You're not the only one. My friend is going to let me Breaking Dawn when she and her mum get finished with it. *smiles quite proudly*

Bakiryu

03-29-2008, 05:50 PM

You're not the only one. My friend is going to let me Breaking Dawn when she and her mum get finished with it. *smiles quite proudly*

is it now? is it? is it? aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! *has nervous breakdown*

browneyedbailey

04-02-2008, 07:57 AM

Baki, chill. :cold: Feel better?

Godiva83

04-17-2008, 11:06 PM

I've came across several forums online dedicated specially to this series... so I began reading "Twilight" and at chapter 18 I still don't manage to get what's so alluring about it... It's like a long bad episode of something written by the guy that created "Buffy, the vampire slayer" sorta crap...

Yikes :eek:

Dark Muse

04-18-2008, 02:27 AM

It does seem to have quite the cult following. I have a blog which deals with vampires becasue such is one of my interests, and on one of my posts someone mentioned that series and sense then, it has just been flooded with replies all about it.

AdoreroDio

04-18-2008, 10:23 AM

My firend recently threatedened to 'provoke the Volturi' on me if I didn't read the series and I just finished Twilight. I may not be the best writing ever it is descriptive. Also if you notice most of 'the followers' are teenage girls- vampire love stories are very attractive to them for some reason and after reading a couple of them myself I find that Twilight it really good because it's not very cheesy and doesn't stick to the myths. It makes it seem more 'real' so more girls can dream about it actually happening to them. Anyways, I liked the book but not very much, I will read the other books only because the author has an amazing job of making you want to keep reading. Suspense I think is the word.

Drummergal42

04-20-2008, 09:22 PM

I just finished Twilight and I loved it. Yet honestly, I have no idea what made me like it so much. Maybe it was the vampire plot and romance, the adventure, or even the dangerous events. I can not explain why I like it so much, I just do. Just so you know this is 14yr old girl talking, but on my Winter Percussios trip a 18yr old guy told me he owned the books and enjoyed them.

huntress4eva

04-21-2008, 09:08 AM

I like the twilight series . Its true that there is nothing special about the books but they are good old fashioned chick lit which dont need much thinking about and the heros dark and mysterious its just one of thoughs things that it good for a mindless read.

ntropyincarnate

04-24-2008, 12:54 AM

I've only read the first book so far, but i loved it! But like drummergal, i'm not really sure why. When i finished the book, i read it for 8 hours without stopping. I've never had a book keep me up that late before. I think i finished it at 6 am. Which i do not recommend.

Drummergal42

04-24-2008, 12:53 PM

Now I am almost done with New Moon, it took a while to get into at first but now I really like it. I think that the appeal is definatley the relationship between Bella and the Cullens, and the dangerous situations Bella is always getting into.

Like AdoreroDio says, Stephanie Meyers is really good at keeping you on your toes.

It also depends on who is reading it. Different books appeal to different people. So many people love the Harry Potter books, yet I have never found the appeal, or the same with A Series of Unfortunate Events, I can't stanf them, but that's my opinion. Godiva83, when you say you dislike them, that's your opinion. It you told me some of the books you loved, I might be saying the same thing. That's the great thing about books, there are so many to choose from. If you don't like some theres still more to read.

livelaughlove

04-26-2008, 04:49 PM

I guess I would consider myself part of the 'cult following' but I don't quite know why I love the books, either. Previously, I had never picked up a book with vampires or anything fantastical - I stuck to my classic literature - but I decided to try Twilight since a friend told me how good they were. The first one was good, the beginning was kind of slow I thought (girl meets boy, etc. etc.) but as the book progressed, it got better and better. I loved the suspense of New Moon though the plot was a bit lacking, I thought. Eclipse is my favorite one out of all the three. I do think what attracts teenage girls to it is of course the relationship between Edward and Bella - there is such a 'danger' aspect to it. Yet, the Cullens are "vegetarian" so that is almost comforting. To think that vampires can have morals and actually want to be good - that is a unique idea, since most vampires that I've heard of or seen on T.V. are the leechlike, blood-sucking types who just want your soul to prolong their life. It's a different kind of vampire novel, one that even people who don't read vampire novels enjoy... so I think that is part of it.

browneyedbailey

05-27-2008, 08:20 AM

Is anyone here excited about the movie?

Tiny Dancer

05-27-2008, 08:31 AM

BLOODY HELL
I AM SO EXCITED ABOUT THE MOVIE ICAN'T EVEN CONVEY THE EMOTION!!!!
i remember when the official trailor came out i almost had an epileptic fit. I was literally dancing crazily around the kitchen.
here is the official trailor if you haven't seen it yet.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=TenUxQsY7kM

The guy who plays Cedric Diggory in Harry Potter plays Edward *melt*
I love Edward.. how can one not?!?
I have this problem when i get really protective over my books and movies so in some ways i don't want the movie to come out because i will probably scratch peoples eyes out if i find out they haven't read the books but are going to see the movie anyway.. THEY WON'T UNDERSTAND!!!
ahhhhhhh
i am getting all agitated just thinking about it!
I am glad there is a forum on Twilight :)
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
even talking about it makes me happy.

browneyedbailey

05-27-2008, 02:01 PM

I know. I feel the same way. I'm gonna be hacked if they mess up the medow scene or leave it out...

cipherdecoy

05-28-2008, 06:32 AM

I haven't read that book yet, but I'm intending to this November to see what all the hype is about. Hopefully I'll find something more than an attractive vampire ;)

browneyedbailey

05-28-2008, 02:11 PM

Read it now!

Beautifull

06-05-2008, 08:14 PM

Okay, so a lot of you know who Stephenie Meyer is, and her books, this place is where the fans and others can chat about the books, clarify, and ask questions that we have about her books.

Like not even an hour ago, i just bought her latest book The Host.
i heard about it from one of my friends who loves her books. i mean,who doesn't she has so much of a way to bring out the imagination! well, i'm on about page 35 and boy is it interesting already!

Sorceress

07-01-2008, 01:42 PM

Drummergal42, you're right!
The love of Edward and Bella and their romance were too much for me... boring..It was all about forbidden love. But New Moon is interesting... I felt it to be a page turner

Tersely

07-03-2008, 10:38 AM

I've read it, I admit I love it (to my husbands uptight literature horror) but I draw the line there. I don't get all nuts throwing quotes at people. I just like the simplistic style of writing and the storytelling she creates. A good break for me contemporary wise.

Beautifull

07-21-2008, 09:28 PM

okay...so i know there are a lot of Stephenie Meyer fans on here, so....where are you?

fine. i'll start the first discussion.
does anyone not agree with me that they got the wrong guy to play Edward in the movie coming out? Robert Pattison is not Edward in the book!

i want to know how others feel, so please, speak back!:(

toni

07-21-2008, 09:55 PM

Er, well, I haven't read any of the Twilight books because for some reason they are always "sold out" on bookstores but my friend says that he has read it for free online :p I have yet to check it out, though.
As for Robert Pattinson playing Edward Cullen~

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z158/heartlessraynedark/Twilight/Edwardavatar.jpg

Beautifull

07-21-2008, 10:00 PM

i understand people like Robert Pattison, but he's just not Edward Cullen!

if you read the books, you'd understand why. he's just not cut out to be like Edward.he doesn't even look like him.:rage:

Guinivere

07-22-2008, 06:31 AM

I don't know about the actor, I didn't even know the were making a film. But I have read the first two twilight books. Not my cup of tea usually, but I quite enjoyed the first one. The second one was rubbish in my eyes, so I didn't continue to read the series.

Something funny, when I bought the first one, the woman in the bookstore went on and on about her love for Edward Cullen. She just couldn't stop yabbering. Amazing, and she told me that her collegue fells the same way about Edward.

kelby_lake

07-22-2008, 10:56 AM

That woman seems a bit sad (sorry!). I will read it once I manage to get a copy from the library (you would've thought they'd invest in more than 5 copies for the county)

Beautifull

07-29-2008, 09:30 PM

:lol: i know! i feel there are never enough copies, and [I]every[I]one wants a copy!

well, about edward cullen and people who are so so totally crushed on him...i feel sorry for them!edward is only alive in books...and we're only alive in the real world. but come on! why do people have crushes on fictionary firgures? can someone answer that?

Guinivere

07-30-2008, 07:29 AM

I don't know why that happens, but for some people (me included) reading a good book, is like living another life, being in a completely different place altogether. It has nothing to do with logic and the fact that of course we live in the real world. I had one hell of a crush on Gabriel Oak and still have I suppose. And there was John Thornton from North & South. :) I don't know why, but I love being kind of close to a fictional character and they never dissapoint me.
I guess it is like having Enid Blyton's children as your friends when you are young.

Have you really never ever had that experience ?

purelife

07-30-2008, 08:02 PM

I enjoyed reading the first book of the series but i thought that was the best out of the three. I wonder what the fourth one would be like... =]

Beautifull

08-01-2008, 02:19 PM

I don't know why that happens, but for some people (me included) reading a good book, is like living another life, being in a completely different place altogether. It has nothing to do with logic and the fact that of course we live in the real world.

Have you really never ever had that experience ?

i understand exactly what you're talking about!!
every time i read a book, i just don't want to put it down until i finish it, because if i put it down, it seems as if i'm exiting a world, and coming into my own world....maybe that's the reason i want a quiet environment while i read...it gives me a clear mind to imagine how that other world i'm reading about lives, how those other people i'm reading about lives their life.

curlyqlink

08-01-2008, 08:07 PM

Interesting. I never get involved like that in a book-- personally involved, that is. I'm a detached reader. I appreciate a good phrase, an intriguing idea, an involving plot... but I'm aways aware that I'm reading an artistic construct.

It's the same with movies. I'll sit there absolutely absorbed in a good film, but I'm always conscious of the camera angle, the lighting, and the way actors are interpreting a scene.

And I have can still have direct, intense emotional responses in this mode. I'll actually have tears in my eyes.

Bakiryu

08-01-2008, 09:07 PM

I love Twilight and Edward (:lol:) but you guys are right, Robert Pattison is attractive, he's just not, um, how can I put it? Edward-y.

Beautifull

08-02-2008, 04:45 PM

finally! someone who agrees with me fully! thank you Bakiryu!
they should've waited until they found the right edward to film the movie!

the person they picked for Bella is perfect, but not so much Jacob...that is not jacob!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bakiryu

08-02-2008, 05:22 PM

Methinks the movie is going to suck. I am almost afraid of going to see it :(

Beautifull

08-02-2008, 05:30 PM

me too! i'm scared to even watch it...especially since the last time i watched a movie of one of my fav books...i had nightmares because of how they ruined the book!!!

SirJazzHands

08-02-2008, 07:13 PM

Haven't read the series and don't intend to, but this Edward Cullen worshipping bull**** among teenagers needs to be put to an end..
It appears my assumptions are correct when at least two people who have read the book have told me, yes, Edward Cullen is just a "mysterious bad boy *******" for lack of a better way to put it.. Girls just fall for any old jerk, don't they? hah. :P

Beautifull

08-02-2008, 07:30 PM

are you jealous?
just because we talk about him, does NOT mean we worship him! we just feel as if we know him, so that means we can put our opinion in as to who we think has and hasnot the part cut out to be Edward Cullen, and i say Robert Pattison does not!:rage:

Equality72521

08-02-2008, 11:08 PM

I bought the fourth book today, this morning at midnight to be exact. I was one of those idiots. And let me tell you, it was not worth it. It's almost as if her writing style has gone down. By plot I would place them in order, from best to worst like this: 1, 3, 2, 4. By writing style: 1, 2, 3, 4.

Over all, I think that it had potential, but it's kind of gone down. The fourth gets better the farther you read but some of it is just...oh, man, I don't even know how to explain it. It's almost kind of sad. Anyways, I know that many will enjoy this book, but I am dragging through it. :( I was certainly hoping for better. I hope you all enjoy it and make your own opinions.

By the way, I think that Robert Pattinson is a good Edward, really, I do, oddly enough. However, I do not think that Kristen Stewart is a good Bella. I have my concerns more set to her than Robert. I don't know if many agree with me about this, but Bella seems much more...wholesome. But then again, I'll have to judge the movie based upon it's cinematic qualities, because I know, that it's very impossible for them to stick to the book exactly, so I'm over that. I also understand, and I hope more do, that every body has their own images of the Cullens and Bella and Edward and Jake, etc., and it would be impossible for any body to find the true Edward and Bella in our minds, so I look to that optimistically and hope for the best in the movie (even though I made the above comment about my worries for Kristen Stewart).

SirJazzHands

08-03-2008, 10:10 PM

Er, no? I'm not jealous of an imaginary character. That's pretty ridiculous.
You, on the other hand, need to learn to stop using excessive exclamation points..

Equality72521

08-04-2008, 02:28 PM

haha, Jazz. too funny.

Beautifull

08-04-2008, 08:34 PM

Er, no? I'm not jealous of an imaginary character. That's pretty ridiculous.
You, on the other hand, need to learn to stop using excessive exclamation points..

was that a hesitation i see?....and if it's so rediculous, then why even bring it up!!

SirJazzHands

08-05-2008, 08:06 AM

Equality72521

08-05-2008, 10:45 AM

*tear* Jazz your little schpiel just brought tears to my eyes.

Don't forget that she's mormon!!!!
(Writing about vampires ^.^)

haha.
Oh man, Jazz, the first book isn't bad. That one is actually my favorite and her best written. The first book alone could pass without a series to follow.

Beautifull

08-08-2008, 09:35 PM

*twitch* More abuse of exclamation, I see.. *twitch*

Yes, a hesitation you might call it, because I fail to comprehend how you actually believe a person would be jealous of someone who does not and will not (sorry hun for your little fantasies) exist? A book that is crafted with the sole intent of marketing in mind, catering towards susceptible women of all ages, looking for "true romance" in this world. Tough luck for them, Edward doesn't exist, and Hallelujah for it, because there are down-to-earth, honest, real men living today who could fulfill your wildest dreams. They won't suck your blood, either! (Unless, of course, you're into fetishism..)

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'll go read a book that isn't, how shall I put it.. entirely trashy. :)
*opens up Crime and Punishment*

what's wrong with a little fantacism? every girl is entitled to theirs, just most would find it in a book, at least i don't find it on T.V. and lose a lot of brain cells!:lol:

and who said we were looking for a real,down-to-earth, honest man?:p

and for your information....I'm not one of those people who are obsessed with Edward:flare: . i just admire the author who writes a book that draws me in, and makes me doubt if anything is impossible to believe. like vampires, i know they don't exist, but the way Stephenie Meyers creates her vampires, it sounds so realistic.

and i'm not really looking for the "romance" from Edward, that i know he can't give me!

and you can be jealous of a fictional character. i've been jealous myself a few times from characters so carefully drawn, that they seem real.

to everyone else: Has anyone read The Host?:D

Ricechex

08-09-2008, 12:06 AM

Beautifull, I have read The Host and I very much enjoyed it - moreso than the Twilight series, as a point of fact.

Edward is probably my least favorite character in the series - I found him to be overly controlling (and having been in that kind of bad relationship, I have no taste for it even in daydreams and book pages). I held out hope for Jacob. ;) Although Edward did become slightly more pallatable in Breaking Dawn - he finally started letting go a bit.

But getting back to The Host, I had heard a rumor that there would be another book or two in that world - I'm intrigued. It was very good as a stand alone, and part of me is concerned about there being more - I don't want it to turn into a "book crafted with the sole intent of marketing" to quote Sir Jazz. But on the other hand, wasn't every book on shelves today crafted with the intent for people everywhere to enjoy them? So really, how can you blame an author for crafting a story that millions of people want to read? Isn't that the point? :idea:

kelby_lake

08-09-2008, 04:17 PM

Well I could guess *SPOILER* Bella would get knocked up and I haven't even read it yet.

Beautifull

08-09-2008, 09:22 PM

Ricechex,

what's this i hear about a book or two in that world?

so The Host might be book one in a series?

SirJazzHands

08-10-2008, 08:39 AM

I must admit one thing, if it weren't for the fact that it's more than likely total fan service (aka probably going to be rushed and a bad idea), Midnight Sun is a cool idea. If any of you have ever read or heard of Orson Scott Card's Ender books, he did a similar thing with his books Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow. Same story told through two different perspectives.

I've heard about The Host and I'll also admit it seems a bit intriguing but I'm not sure if I actually want to take the chance in case it's bad.

curlyqlink

08-10-2008, 10:10 AM

I've heard about The Host and I'll also admit it seems a bit intriguing

I dipped into The Host but found it not worth reading, IMHO. It's your basic mind-whammy plot, aliens move in and take over, turning folks into pod-people. One brave soul fights back. Stephanie Meyer seems to use an awful lot of verbiage to produce yet one more take on this too-familiar idea.

i just admire the author who writes a book that draws me in, and makes me doubt if anything is impossible to believe. like vampires, i know they don't exist, but the way Stephenie Meyers creates her vampires, it sounds so realistic.

She makes her vampires contemporary. There's a fine, but very important difference. They seem realistic to her target audience, because they appeal to her target audience.

Something intrigues me about the idea of "doubting anything is impossible". This is an idea that I run across all the time in discussions of popular culture; it sounds so hopeful and youthful and optimistic that I hesitate to torpedo it. (But I will anyway <g>!) Should we in fact go about doubting that anything is impossible? Even things that fly in the face of logic, experience, and the wisdom of the ages? It sounds like something from a Nike ad. And like most salesmanship, disillusionment and disappointment lurk not far down the road.

Ricechex

08-10-2008, 08:21 PM

Beautifull, don't quote me on it, but that is apparently the word that's going around. One of my friends at my local B&N mentioned it, but I haven't seen anything on her [Stephenie Meyer's] site. I want to say I may have seen something in perhaps Entertainment Weekly or some such publication, but I cannot promise it.

Sir Jazz, I must say that The Host is, in my own humble opinion, vastly better than the Twilight series. The writing was definately more adult in tone. I am not much for the Sci-Fi bit (I'm an Urban Fantasy girl at heart) but The Host was excellent. :thumbs_up Of course, that is my own opinion. I borrowed it from my local library - you might take that route before shelling out the $20+ for it.

Cheers!

Bakiryu

08-10-2008, 09:54 PM

to everyone else: Has anyone read The Host?:D

I have, it's one of my favorite books. I tend to identify with Wanda :blush:

I just got Breaking Dawn yesterday, it's so good, I'm almost finished but I don't want it to end.

Beautifull

08-11-2008, 12:06 AM

I have, it's one of my favorite books. I tend to identify with Wanda :blush:

I just got Breaking Dawn yesterday, it's so good, I'm almost finished but I don't want it to end.

man! you're so lucky! i've been dying to read Breaking Dawn...my friend is going to let me borrow it after she finishes, but one minute is too much for me to wait for it!:lol:

i like wanda, but i think i can identify with Melanie better.;)

Sir Jazz, I must say that The Host is, in my own humble opinion, vastly better than the Twilight series. The writing was definately more adult in tone. I am not much for the Sci-Fi bit (I'm an Urban Fantasy girl at heart) but The Host was excellent. :thumbs_up Of course, that is my own opinion. I borrowed it from my local library - you might take that route before shelling out the $20+ for it.

i gotta say i agree with you about The Host being better thanthe Twilight series

okay, so i thought about this, but i want other people's thoughts on this first. jacob. is he good guy or bad guy. i know i get that he's a nice guy, but he gets in the way of edward and bella. so is he good? is he bad?

storywriter101

08-14-2008, 07:31 PM

I love Twilight, and I am currently reading New Moon!! Awesome!!!

Beautifull

08-18-2008, 09:50 PM

Equality72521

08-19-2008, 12:42 PM

I haven't read The Host yet, after reading the Twilight series, I'm kind of scared to, to be honest. She should have left it at the first book. Sigh. Oh well. I might look into it, but there is no way I'm going to buy it.

Beautifull

08-25-2008, 12:11 AM

Equality...i will tell you, The Host is nothing like the Twilight series, it's a whole 'nother book, comp;letely different. when i first checked it out, i didn't really care for it, but something made me pick up the book at the book store, and buy it. now i'm glad that i bought it...because now i can read it as many times as i want....justas soon as i get it back from who's borrowing it!:)

so is there anyone who would like to give their opinion of Jacob?:(

Anza

08-25-2008, 07:13 AM

Jacob is a sweetheart. He goes about everything dead wrong, but he's too impulsive to help it. Breaking Dawn from his point of view is the funniest thing EVER. I love the chapter titles!!
But forget Jacob and Edward... I will take Seth and Jasper, any day.

kelby_lake

08-27-2008, 04:06 PM

I enjoyed Twilight but Meyer doesn't exactly have a way with words:
'I reassembled my expression'
That line's so bad, it's almost laughable. It's like a 12 year old with a thesaurus.

mgsn

08-30-2008, 08:15 PM

Twilight is definitely the best out of the four. I enjoyed it so much that I am a bit worried about going and seeing it in the cinema. I only started reading because it is all the craze with my students and have been borrowing the books off them.
I absolutely love the storylines but sometimes Stephanie Meyer's writing annoys me - especially the over the top descriptions in places - ie will take about 300 pages to ramble on about goings ons and then when it comes to the final battle scene etc - it rushes by and finishes so quickly.

and I agree - I think I like Seth and Jasper better than Edward and Jacob - but definitely like Jacob over Edward - at least he is human-ish

kelby_lake

09-01-2008, 05:22 AM

Twilight is definitely the best out of the four. I enjoyed it so much that I am a bit worried about going and seeing it in the cinema. I only started reading because it is all the craze with my students and have been borrowing the books off them.
I absolutely love the storylines but sometimes Stephanie Meyer's writing annoys me - especially the over the top descriptions in places - ie will take about 300 pages to ramble on about goings ons and then when it comes to the final battle scene etc - it rushes by and finishes so quickly.

Indeed- I enjoy the story, it's just that her writing is so awful.

Beautifull

09-01-2008, 05:08 PM

has anyone read Breaking Dawn yet?

kelby_lake

10-05-2008, 03:49 PM

Your opinions?

I just finished a book called Twilight by Stephenie Meyer. It was her first book and although it started out poorly written, it evolved into something magnificent.

If you read the synopsis, it sounds like one of those terrible ridiculous teenage books that are all written the same and have proposterous plot lines that make you want to throw up.

But it isn't.

500 and something pages and I made it through in two days. It's not that the writing is so advanced, rather that the author pulls you so deeply into the story that it's impossible not to experience the emotions of all of the characters. I don't think I've ever been so involved in a story.

Afterwards, I was emotionally drained and unresponsive/antisocial because it somehow took so much out of me. You will find yourself wanting desperately to go back into that world.

1- I wouldn't really call it magnificent. Okay would be better.
2- It didn't have a plot line until page 400!
3- The writing is easy but pretentious: 'The book held no interest for me'
4- I was waiting for something to happen, some big romantic event, but no, not really. Let down.
5- Currently reading New Moon and the writing is even more awful.It destroys your brain a little bit.

xlxlauraxlx

12-29-2008, 05:10 PM

I haven't read breaking dawn yet butsomebody already told me the ending :( now its ruined ohwell. Im reading eclipse now anyways.

kelby_lake

12-31-2008, 01:23 PM

has anyone read Breaking Dawn yet?

Half.

*Classic*Charm*

12-31-2008, 02:09 PM

Has anyone else read the leaked illegal draft of Midnight Sun yet? :blush:

Zee.

12-31-2008, 05:44 PM

Yes i've read the leaked copy - via Meyer's website.

You know, that entire series is good..fluff. I really hate it when i hear people harp on about its wonderful literary content because to me, it's non existant.

She has a wonderful imagination though.

okay, so i thought about this, but i want other people's thoughts on this first. jacob. is he good guy or bad guy. i know i get that he's a nice guy, but he gets in the way of edward and bella. so is he good? is he bad?

Good or bad? what are you even talking about?...

Joreads

12-31-2008, 07:08 PM

Has anyone else read the leaked illegal draft of Midnight Sun yet? :blush:

I have read it also. You can obtain a copy from her web site. It is only the first twelve chapters but it is great. I have been told that she is going to finish the book and publish it we can only hope. If you were an Edward fan before reading Midnight Sun you are going to love him after reading it.;)

Beautifull

12-31-2008, 08:30 PM

Good or bad? what are you even talking about?...

well...some would argue that Jacob should just get lost, because he just complicates Edward and Bella's relationship, but others would say Jacob is doing the right thing because they think that Bella is much safer with him than it is with Edward.

Joreads

12-31-2008, 09:05 PM

I think Jacob is good, don't get me wrong I sometimes wish he would get lost and leave Bella and Edward alone (Edward girl here). For me when I was reading the books there were times I wanted to slap both Bella and Jacob I had to remind myself that they were typical 17 year olds. Edward on the other hand has been around a lot longer so he rarely seems like a 17 year old that is what makes him so appealing I think.

Spolier of sorts
Have you read all the books? Breaking Dawn sort of sorts that all out anyway. Jacobs place in Bella and Edwards world and the tie he feels to Bella is explained.

Beautifull

12-31-2008, 09:07 PM

yes, i have...and you?

Joreads

12-31-2008, 09:09 PM

yes, i have...and you?

Sure have and I loved them.

Beautifull

12-31-2008, 09:14 PM

me too.

i don't know,if i liked Jacob or not before i read Breaking Dawn, then i thought it was cute that he crushed on Renesme(not sure if i spelled it right).
what do you think?

Zee.

12-31-2008, 11:24 PM

Joreads

01-01-2009, 04:39 AM

You mean he imprinted. That's a lot different to simply a crush.
Its never a simple, good or bad, not with anything for that matter, but i assume you're quite young so it's understandable - do correct me if i'm wrong.

Jacob adds another dimension to the books, he is able to bring out certain aspects of Bella you might not otherwise see. I'm not going to get all heavy and analyze it much because it's not much to analyze but when Bella falls for Jacob it only confirms that her love for Edward is that much stronger - because she chooses him.

limajean hits the nail right on the head with that one. Bella does love Jacob but it has nothing on her love for Edward and I would goes as far as to say it is not even really love but a deep friendship. I think his character is used to confirm that point for the reader.

Spolier question ahead

Speaking of Breaking Dawn what theories do you have for why Bella was able to control herself so well when she was a new born vampire?

curlyqlink

01-01-2009, 11:48 AM

You know, that entire series is good..fluff.
I read Twilight, and "good fluff" is an excellent description. It's entertaining, and if the prose is hit or miss, well, that means that there are hits as well as misses.

I'm way outside this book's target demographic, but even I think it's pretty good storytelling. It leaves me pondering though... what is the deal with romance and vampires? From Bram Stoker's original, so full of repressed Victorian sexuality, through Buffy The Vampire Slayer and her trials and tribulations with Angel and Spike, and now with the Twilight series, why are vampires and romance (okay, sex) so often... well... bedfellows? I understand that in the world of publishing, there is an entire sub-genre, within the Romance genre, of Vampire Romance.

It's a bit odd.

Reading Twilight, I could imagine parents having fits that their daughters were reading this. It's not just the Forbidden Romance angle. It's that Bella is so... subserviant. She practically celebrates her weakness, her helplessness before this moody, dangerous, beautiful older (!) boy. Reading Twilight, I got the distinct impression that Feminism is dead.

Joreads

01-01-2009, 06:10 PM

curlyqlink I am way outside the demographic also with this book. I actualy read the first book for our bookclub January read. There is no one in our group under 30 and some a quite a bit older than that and everyone that has read the book so far has loved it. many of us have gone on to read the whole series, I should point out we are all women.

Have you read the rest of the books? I would exactly call Bella subserviant, she is quite strong willed when it suits her. As for Edward being older I don't want to give to much away if you haven't read the other books and are planning on but they actually have more in common than you think when it comes to sex.

The novels are very senual but then most vampire literature is and that is part of their appeal. Really it is the ultimate love story when you think about it you could not get two people more wrong for each other and yet more right for each other if that makes sense. There is one line that sums it up I guess sums it up for me

Edward to Bella "You have no idea how long I have waited for you"

Romance and yes sex sells and with vampires you have the added element of danger and action.

LilyPan

01-01-2009, 10:58 PM

I have read all 4 books just this past week. I saw the movie before I read the books and I am glad that I did. Yes the books are way better than the movie but I liked the movie just because it was visual. When our imagination from the books became pictures and we could see them. I have realized that I am in love with Edward Cullen but in a very different way. I am not in love with his because he is cute, I like him because of what he says and does towards Bella.
Anyways, I do recommend that everyone should read the series because it is an easy read, well wrote book, and a wonderful escape from reality.

twilight661

01-05-2009, 12:41 PM

Emil Miller

01-05-2009, 01:39 PM

Zee.

01-05-2009, 01:53 PM

Because this is a literature website. Whilst Twilight is a nice story, seeing girls drooling over card board cut out vampires at bookstores isn't something i want to see.

And to be honest - there is such great work out there, that it seems a shame most young people aren't exposed to it.

JBI

01-05-2009, 02:08 PM

I'm not too old to like Twilight, I'm too creative to allow myself to bathe in third-rate drivel. Many of my friends read the books - but when a pregnant woman has to become a vampire to stop her half-breed demonchild fetus from eating its way out of her stomach I draw the line. That's just silly nonsense, not creativity.

Zee.

01-05-2009, 02:10 PM

Also, im a big fan of "traditional" Vampire characters.
So reading Twilight kind of annoyed me.

Mopey Droney

01-05-2009, 02:37 PM

I actually read the first book because I take it upon myself to understand these phenomena. I didn't like it. First of all on a sentence-by-sentence basis the writing is bad. Second of all there is no character development. I don't like books where the main character is so flat and without flavor that the reader just projects herself onto her, which soon becomes an emotional ride when this thing she's projected herself on starts lusting for a vampire. It seems to me just a cheap trick. Third, it's indistinguishable from a soap opera other than all the dressy vampire elements. Really, the way all of the characters behaved was sappily unrealistic and the dialog made me role my eyes. There are too many books that are enjoyable for me to bother with an entire series that makes me cringe.

mayneverhave

01-05-2009, 02:49 PM

Okay, I'm a bit of a forum heavy-weight, I've been around, mainly ghosting, forum heavy-weight nevertheless, and a recent pattern that has emerged, is the hatred of the Twilight series. Yes some of the fans are ... well ****s, perhaps it isn't the best book in the world, but I've felt a lot of hostility towards it. I enjoy reading the likes of Poe and Austen, I can appreciate the quality there, but I like Stephanie Meyer there, why the problem?

I don't want to be starting anything, but I'm just curious. How do you feel about the Twilight series?

I look it as a popular phenomenon, a phase, similiar to high grossing movies like Spider-Man or Transformers, or the constant pop-drivel in music. The majority of these artistic creations (because you can't really just dismiss Twilight as not being an artistic creation), don't stand up to analysis. That's to be expected. The majority of people are not film critics, music critics, or, especially not, literary critics.

My friends and family (especially my parents) often say that I'm too critical in how I view art, but I don't very well understand how I am to appreciate and judge a given work of art without criticizing it.

To me, the claim that books like Twilight aren't meant to be taken that seriously is a cop-out. You can't say something is impervious to critical analysis, and then wonder why no one in the so-called-literary elite doesn't like it.

It is one thing to enjoy a crappy novel. For a fact, I've enjoyed at least one or two genre books that I bought from a grocery store. But this is a literary forum. If you want to know why everyone is panning Twilight, it is because the nature of this forum is to discuss, in earnest, literature. This doesn't mean just a passive "Oh I liked that part" discussion, but involves looking beyond just the picturesque surface.

Zee.

01-05-2009, 03:00 PM

For awhile, i thought i could escape twilight via these forums.

But here it is...

Ive read and seen interviews with stephanie and it seems like she doesnt even know much about her own characters, as if she never really developed them.
Most of the time it seems like she just pulled her answers from thin air because she had to give an answer.

MattG

01-05-2009, 03:06 PM

Zee.

01-05-2009, 03:07 PM

Me too...

i have a collection of sci fi books that would make you die laughing..

Emil Miller

01-05-2009, 03:11 PM

It occurred to me that if I and some like-minded people were to dig up Bram Stoker's body and drive a stake through the heart, we might exorcise the whole vampire thing once and for all but, would you believe it?, he was cremated.

Joreads

01-05-2009, 06:03 PM

To me it's OK.

I read Twilight but not any of the sequels because the first book didn't do the elusive 'it' for me.

If you like it though, go on and like it. I, for one, have plenty of guilty pleasures of my own :)

Thanks MattG. I love the twilight series actually and I am by no means a teenager and they are not my only guilty pleasures either;)

*Classic*Charm*

01-05-2009, 08:05 PM

I won't go so far as to say the writing is good. There is some really terrible sentence structure and a TON of grammatical errors, but for some reason I was completely sucked in by them.

Sadly, I put Anna Karenina aside to read them haha. I wanted some fluff for my Christmas break, and I thoroughly enjoyed them.

Zee.

01-05-2009, 09:33 PM

Okay, I'm a bit of a forum heavy-weight, I've been around, mainly ghosting, forum heavy-weight nevertheless, and a recent pattern that has emerged, is the hatred of the Twilight series. Yes some of the fans are ... well ****s, perhaps it isn't the best book in the world, but I've felt a lot of hostility towards it. I enjoy reading the likes of Poe and Austen, I can appreciate the quality there, but I like Stephanie Meyer there, why the problem?

I don't want to be starting anything, but I'm just curious. How do you feel about the Twilight series?

I've been sitting here, trying to work out what the * are covering and have not been able to figure it out :[
I'm tired. i'm sunburnt. my brain is fried. I blame it on that.

I find it interesting ( and funny ) that people , and i see this a lot, will say something like..

Oh i read "such and such" i mean i KNOW it doesn't compare to an author like AUSTEN.

Austen austen austen austen, enough about austen. Why austen?

It's almost becoming to the point where anyone can call themselves part of the "literature culture" because they've read Pride and Prejudice.
Sadly, the same has come of Shakespeare.

It really shows that you haven't read a whole lot of literature when people use Austen to constantly compare novels too, ( from what i have discovered anyway )

Austen wasn't even that great...

*Classic*Charm*

01-05-2009, 10:20 PM

I've been sitting here, trying to work out what the * are covering and have not been able to figure it out :[
I'm tired. i'm sunburnt. my brain is fried. I blame it on that.

I find it interesting ( and funny ) that people , and i see this a lot, will say something like..

Oh i read "such and such" i mean i KNOW it doesn't compare to an author like AUSTEN.

Austen austen austen austen, enough about austen. Why austen?

It's almost becoming to the point where anyone can call themselves part of the "literature culture" because they've read Pride and Prejudice.
Sadly, the same has come of Shakespeare.

It really shows that you haven't read a whole lot of literature when people use Austen to constantly compare novels too, ( from what i have discovered anyway )

Austen wasn't even that great...

I agree with you in some ways. Jane Austen does tend to be the writer that people claim they read in an attempt to sound impressive, though I think to read her work and to study and interpret it are two different things. That's what makes her work stand apart from something like the Twilight series- Pride and Prejudice holds literary merit because there is something to be learned through it's reading, while Twilight is purely for entertainment. It's the same thing with Shakespeare. Anyone can plough through old english verse and say they've "read" it, but that doesn't mean that they have actually gained or learned from it, as one should from good literature.

Another novel that people do the same thing with is "Catcher in the Rye". I know so many people who want to give the impression that they are well-read and so claim that this is their favourite work. It just happens to be standard high school fare...Now that doesn't mean that it isn't good, just that it's more widely read.

I don't think it's fair though to say that by comparing a work to one of Austen's, that person hasn't read anything else.

Beautifull

01-05-2009, 10:55 PM

don't forget to mention her knack for creating well-developed characters. what's so funny is when i finished reading the first book, i almost thought it was real. :lol:

i agree with PAM. you should read it.

but i'm kind of scared to watch the movie.

Zee.

01-05-2009, 10:58 PM

You're kidding right?

well developed?
please... she couldn't even develop the skills to write, how could she possibly develop characters?

No i didnt mean to make it sound like that, i'm making reference to the people i personally have spoken to.
I wasnt meaning anyone on this board, it just made me think of people i know who refer to austen frequently, when she was mentioned.

Beautifull

01-05-2009, 11:09 PM

is there a hater in the house?

Zee.

01-05-2009, 11:15 PM

It wouldn't be much of a discussion if we all agreed, would it?
And believe me, if you're going to talk about Twilight here - there will be more than just myself, who will have something negative to say about it.
It's a good story, but Stephanie Meyer is a terrible writer.

Beautifull

01-05-2009, 11:36 PM

why do you say that?

what do you recommend as a good writer if not Stephenie?
(and good point about the discussion.;) )

Jacob is a sweetheart. He goes about everything dead wrong, but he's too impulsive to help it. Breaking Dawn from his point of view is the funniest thing EVER. I love the chapter titles!!
But forget Jacob and Edward... I will take Seth and Jasper, any day.

:lol:yeah, just give me emmett and you got yourself a deal!:lol:

Zee.

01-05-2009, 11:43 PM

Because it's true?

Like i said, good story teller - but not a good writer. Just because someone can do what i'm doing right now "writing", doesn't make them a good writer.

Well, i don't know you as a person, so i can't really answer that.. so i'll just list some of my favourites.

Crime and Punishment
Watership Down
The Fountainhead
Only Revolutions
House of Leaves
The Most Dangerous Game
The Virgin Suicides
In Cold Blood
The Wind up Bird Chronicle
After Dark
Interview with the Vampire

Joreads

01-05-2009, 11:46 PM

ugh double post..

We have all been there :lol:

Beautifull

01-05-2009, 11:47 PM

what do you say writing is then? she decribed her plot pretty well, she had a well developed setting and characters, what is she missing?

twice in a row:lol:

Zee.

01-05-2009, 11:52 PM

what do you say writing is then? she decribed her plot pretty well, she had a well developed setting and characters, what is she missing?

She rambled, even then that wasn't worth reading. Her use of descriptive language is poor. Her structure is poor. Her characters are flat, predictable, all revealed in the first line of introducing them.

But hey - like i said good story

Beautifull

01-05-2009, 11:57 PM

have you read her other book(that's not part of the series) yet?

now that's my favorite book. you might say the same thing about this one too, but the first time i read that one, i was surprised in some parts, mad in others, and cried tears of joy and sadness for the last part of the book.

you should read it if you haven't, it's called "the Host"
i couldn't put it down.

well, i gotta go, but i hope to talk with you again, and discuss...topics.

ChinaRose

01-06-2009, 12:59 AM

I got a chance to read the first two chapters of Twilight,and I should say it attracks my eyeball.:)

SecretUmbreon

01-06-2009, 01:40 AM

I read some of it but I wasn't very interested. Maybe it's just me...

Remarkable

01-06-2009, 01:14 PM

Is the movie "Twilight" just about the first book,or is it the whole thing?In the library here I have found only "Breaking Dawn" but I'm not really sure if it's any good.I also found "The Host" but I'm not sure for that either.Since my finances are a bit low for the moment and I'm trying to save,I'm thinking about making some arrangements like reading classics online and buyng only what really catches my eye...

*Classic*Charm*

01-06-2009, 02:37 PM

JBI

01-06-2009, 02:55 PM

No i didnt mean to make it sound like that, i'm making reference to the people i personally have spoken to.
I wasnt meaning anyone on this board, it just made me think of people i know who refer to austen frequently, when she was mentioned.

Maybe me, as I generally esteem Austen as the mother of all English novelists, and the best one of the lot. In truth though, Austen is often misunderstood, or simply not understood, and in truth, many only read Pride and Prejudice, and skip her other works.

Austen relies primarily on Irony as her trope of choice for conveying meanings, and many people, especially now when our society has been so desensitized to irony, easily miss this. There are those that read the books purely for their plot, and see what romance authors see - a love story. But when it comes down to it, and you read Northanger Abbey, you may notice that Austen may say they get married and live happily ever after, but the ending itself can easily be interpreted, and with some cause, as a large irony, mocking the reader herself, and meaning no such thing.

On that notion, to what extent does Twilight bend. If we were to try and analyze it, we would need first to consider its major devices. First, the book seems reliant on allegory. We must question what the vampire represents, what it represents in relation to our culture, and what it represents in relation to the tradition. From there we must see how Meyer handles the concept, and how original its execution is. The notion of the vegetarian vampire, though I cannot verify it, I believe originates with the terribly repetitive Anne Rice, in Interview with a Vampire. On that level, that concept isn't new, but what of the romance of the vampire?

I think that to is established, though generally not at a teen level, which I think is what is the appeal. Perhaps that is the most significant feature of the work, but on the whole it is a cliché allegory for the sexual prowess of the vampire to his victim, the innocent girl.

But don't worry kids, they get married first, so despite the indulgence, it's all legal. If that isn't typically American - and I mean that in the sense of the religiousness and in the teenage culture sense - I don't know what is. You wonder why it sells - all that is repressed sexually within primitive society justified within a legal Christian frame to allow the pregnant teenager to become a heroine, and the attractive jock a knight in shining armor, with oh you guessed it! Wings! - oh, how wonderful - I see why it is so much fun.

Seriously I'm kind of fooling around here, as I have only read reviews, and seen the chimerical commercials, and read the Wikipedia articles quickly, as well as talked to some friends (mind the polysyndeton), so I guess I cannot comment, other than say the first 3 or so pages that I read had detestable prose.

Is the movie "Twilight" just about the first book,or is it the whole thing?In the library here I have found only "Breaking Dawn" but I'm not really sure if it's any good.I also found "The Host" but I'm not sure for that either.Since my finances are a bit low for the moment and I'm trying to save,I'm thinking about making some arrangements like reading classics online and buyng only what really catches my eye...

The movie, I believe, is based on the first book.

Niamh

01-06-2009, 03:12 PM

The Movie is based on the first book of the same title. Breaking Dawn is the fourth book and The Host is a seperate one altogether, completely unrelated.

Remarkable

01-06-2009, 03:51 PM

Yeah,I know about "Breaking Dawn" and "The Host",I simply cannot make up my mind on which to get...

Mopey Droney

01-06-2009, 03:56 PM

JBI wins thread.

Zee.

01-06-2009, 04:50 PM

well.. you dont get breaking dawn unless you read the three that come before that.

Joreads

01-06-2009, 05:20 PM

JBI wins thread.

Why because he is commenting on something that he hasn't read?

Dori

01-06-2009, 05:32 PM

JBI wins thread.

:lol: JBI pwns. :D

Personally, I'd rather not waste the time in reading this book...I have some Dostoevsky yet to read (perhaps some Austen :lol:).

Joreads

01-06-2009, 05:46 PM

:
Personally, I'd rather not waste the time in reading this book...I have some Dostoevsky yet to read (perhaps some Austen :lol:).

Dori there is nothing wrong with that if you don't feel that Twilight would be to your liking. But how can you review or critise something that you have not fully read or only read three pages or reviews on. You are right it is not a master piece and will it still be read in 50 years time probably not but that does not mean that some of us can not read the book now, enjoy it and take something away from it.

If people are going to dump on the book and those of us that have read it and liked it at least read it first so you have some basis for doing so.

Now I am getting down of my soap box and packing it away.:lol:

Dori

01-06-2009, 06:06 PM

Dori there is nothing wrong with that if you don't feel that Twilight would be to your liking. But how can you review or critise something that you have not fully read or only read three pages or reviews on. You are right it is not a master piece and will it still be read in 50 years time probably not but that does not mean that some of us can not read the book now, enjoy it and take something away from it.

If people are going to dump on the book and those of us that have read it and liked it at least read it first so you have some basis for doing so.

Now I am getting down of my soap box and packing it away.:lol:

I merely said I didn't want to waste my time---my precious time. Life is too short to read outside of my interests. :D

(Edit: Okay, I did make other remarks, but I was just having little fun. :D)

Joreads

01-06-2009, 06:21 PM

I merely said I didn't want to waste my time---my precious time. Life is too short to read outside of my interests. :D

(Edit: Okay, I did make other remarks, but I was just having little fun. :D)

That is OK you are still one of my favorites. Is this our first Lit Nit fight my friend?;)

Dori

01-06-2009, 06:35 PM

That is OK you are still one of my favorites. Is this our first Lit Nit fight my friend?;)

I'm not sure. I was smiling the whole time so... :D

Joreads

01-06-2009, 06:37 PM

I'm not sure. I was smiling the whole time so... :D

Well that is good to know. I am smiling to;)

MattG

01-06-2009, 06:51 PM

Thanks MattG. I love the twilight series actually and I am by no means a teenager and they are not my only guilty pleasures either;)

Well you left yourself wide open for an innuendo attack but I'll let you off the hook (this time). :D

Joreads

01-06-2009, 06:53 PM

Well you left yourself wide open for an innuendo attack but I'll let you off the hook (this time). :D

I am getting into more trouble in this thread than the whole time I have been here. Maybe it is time to bow out gracefully - oh who am I kidding:lol:

Emil Miller

01-06-2009, 07:44 PM

Joreads

01-06-2009, 08:03 PM

If you thoroughly enjoyed them, why not forget Anna Karenina altogether and dedidcate your life to reading trash?

Because we can read both and enjoy both or at least I can. Not that I am admitting that they are trash either, one mans trash is anothers treasure is it not?

*Classic*Charm*

01-06-2009, 08:04 PM

If you thoroughly enjoyed them, why not forget Anna Karenina altogether and dedidcate your life to reading trash?

You're kidding me, right?

I was entertained by them, sure, but I have no intention of reading fluff for the rest of my life. I'm not saying I'm not enjoying Anna Karenina, just that I felt like reading something I didn't have to think about.

Emil Miller

01-07-2009, 08:53 AM

You're kidding me, right?

I was entertained by them, sure, but I have no intention of reading fluff for the rest of my life. I'm not saying I'm not enjoying Anna Karenina, just that I felt like reading something I didn't have to think about.

I am not suggesting that anyone spend all of their time reading heavyweight novels such as Anna Karenina; there is plenty of lighter fiction to choose from as an alternative and, of course, it's entirely up to you what you choose to read. But teenage vampires! You're kidding me right?

JBI

01-07-2009, 09:59 AM

Meh, novels for the most part are lightweight trash. It is almost accidental that they were taken seriously to begin with. As it is though, there are ones worth reading, but for the most part to find good novels requires digging, and I don't mean good, as in the it one a Pulitzer therefore it is good, I mean truly good, worth remembering.

It's a shame that people here seem to read only novels, and for half of the posters, only classic ones, and even further, only English language classic ones. Reading Twilight is just taking it to the next level - indulging in condensed cliché damasked with traditional American values. Though, I hear the last one has a birthing scene gory enough to turn most teenage girls abstinent.

Emil Miller

01-07-2009, 11:20 AM

Hooray! What a wonderful way to start the New Year. I just took the Twilight IQ test and qualified for the Twilight Ringtones.
What more could anybody want? I will have to get a mobile phone after all.

kelby_lake

01-07-2009, 12:52 PM

I find it interesting ( and funny ) that people , and i see this a lot, will say something like..
Oh i read "such and such" i mean i KNOW it doesn't compare to an author like AUSTEN.

It's almost becoming to the point where anyone can call themselves part of the "literature culture" because they've read Pride and Prejudice.
Sadly, the same has come of Shakespeare.

It really shows that you haven't read a whole lot of literature when people use Austen to constantly compare novels too, ( from what i have discovered anyway )

I entirely agree! You ask your average teen to name a classic female author, they say Austen, maybe Charlotte Bronte because they think she wrote all the Bronte novels. Ask them to name a male one, they say Dickens. Ask them to name a playwright, they say Shakespeare.

They like to use it as some excuse to show that Twilight is obviously well-written as they like it and they like Austen. I like to remind them that the only classics the 'intelligent' people have read are the obvious ones- I'm not even sure if they enjoyed them, though they claim to.

You couldn't tolerate Breaking Dawn if you hadn't read the previous three

JBI

01-07-2009, 01:59 PM

You couldn't tolerate Breaking Dawn if you hadn't read the previous three

I heard most fans and trash-critics were disappointed as well.

Niamh

01-07-2009, 03:56 PM

If you thoroughly enjoyed them, why not forget Anna Karenina altogether and dedidcate your life to reading trash?

Just because a lot of us have enjoyed the Twilight series, does not mean that entertaining novels are all we should read. I read an awful lot of books a year and they are across a very broad spectrum. And its not just novels, its Drama as well and poetry. If i am in the mood for something light i'll read something light, if i'm in the mood for a classic i'll read a classic.
I will openly admit there are some "classics" out there that i personal found boring and droll, and someone else might think it was great. In saying that some people are going to enjoy what you consider as trash, and yet i for one would not criticise someone else for liking what i dont, and i for one would not insinuate that because they do like that book, they should stick to that type of book as they are obviously not worthy to read anything else.
We are all individual, so therefore we all have individual tastes and needs and what one person sees as a literary nourishment, someone else doesnt. We do not all eat and like the same food, clothes, music, so why should we be criticised for not liking the same books? What a boring existance we would have if we all liked the same things.

Allannah

01-07-2009, 04:59 PM

I seriously hate Twilight.

I am also probably the only person that hates Twilight.

Not altogether because it's badly written. Its writing is mediocre. Not bad, not great. The plot is okay, but the book is very bare [I actually enjoyed the film more than the book- which seemed full because it included everything in the book, plainly because they had to since the plot was so bare] and the hype portrayed it as, like, another Harry Potter so you expected it to be fantastic and it...wasn't.
The cumulation of being disappointed, the thin plot, and the mediocre writing just put it off for me. Okay, maybe I should use the world "hate". I don't hate it. But I'm not a fan.

Zee.

01-07-2009, 05:03 PM

Maybe me, as I generally esteem Austen as the mother of all English novelists, and the best one of the lot. In truth though, Austen is often misunderstood, or simply not understood, and in truth, many only read Pride and Prejudice, and skip her other works.

Austen relies primarily on Irony as her trope of choice for conveying meanings, and many people, especially now when our society has been so desensitized to irony, easily miss this. There are those that read the books purely for their plot, and see what romance authors see - a love story. But when it comes down to it, and you read Northanger Abbey, you may notice that Austen may say they get married and live happily ever after, but the ending itself can easily be interpreted, and with some cause, as a large irony, mocking the reader herself, and meaning no such thing.

On that notion, to what extent does Twilight bend. If we were to try and analyze it, we would need first to consider its major devices. First, the book seems reliant on allegory. We must question what the vampire represents, what it represents in relation to our culture, and what it represents in relation to the tradition. From there we must see how Meyer handles the concept, and how original its execution is. The notion of the vegetarian vampire, though I cannot verify it, I believe originates with the terribly repetitive Anne Rice, in Interview with a Vampire. On that level, that concept isn't new, but what of the romance of the vampire?

I think that to is established, though generally not at a teen level, which I think is what is the appeal. Perhaps that is the most significant feature of the work, but on the whole it is a cliché allegory for the sexual prowess of the vampire to his victim, the innocent girl.

But don't worry kids, they get married first, so despite the indulgence, it's all legal. If that isn't typically American - and I mean that in the sense of the religiousness and in the teenage culture sense - I don't know what is. You wonder why it sells - all that is repressed sexually within primitive society justified within a legal Christian frame to allow the pregnant teenager to become a heroine, and the attractive jock a knight in shining armor, with oh you guessed it! Wings! - oh, how wonderful - I see why it is so much fun.

Seriously I'm kind of fooling around here, as I have only read reviews, and seen the chimerical commercials, and read the Wikipedia articles quickly, as well as talked to some friends (mind the polysyndeton), so I guess I cannot comment, other than say the first 3 or so pages that I read had detestable prose.

I know exactly how Austen writes, and would never dare to say she is a "romantic writer".
I've read all of her works so yes, i know

You say you haven't read twilight? to be honest, there is no need to analyze it. Its clear that Meyer wrote it simply to tell a story. Not to make a statement, not to present us with an idea - but to tell a story. At least, that's how i interpret it. I mean, to me its like asking what the meaning of Harry Potter is. You just cant go into it that deep.

Allannah

01-07-2009, 05:09 PM

Zee.

01-07-2009, 05:09 PM

It really depends on the type of person you are.
Me? i absolutely love classics, i love all forms of literature, but fluff.. i mean come on, there's room for that in everybody's life.

For some, older readers, it's Twilight. Your fluff might not be my fluff - and vice versa, but its fluff for all i care.
And i LIKE, fluff.

Also - think about how many different age groups are probably posting on this board..
of course a 50yr old male isn't going to like a book like Twilight.

Hell, if you look at my bookcase you'll see it lined with hundreds of great books, look a little closer behind those books and you'll find sci fi novels with titles like "spooksville"..

Trash, is good.

Meyer has a great talent for entertaining. She can tell a story, and she tells it well. She doesn't need to be a literary great.

Allannah

01-07-2009, 05:12 PM

Zee.

01-07-2009, 05:13 PM

I doubt that you could truly enjoy both Tolstoy and Stephene Meyer. They are of such different levels and you cannot appreciate both equally.

I also think that, if one boasts of reading an awful lot of books, one should model their grammar on that of the many books of which they are so proud of having read.

I think one should pull that gigantic stick out of their *** - before they start talking trash about people they don't even know.

I don't know if the grammar comment was aimed at me or not, but it was quite ridiculous regardless. My best friend can't spell very well and she has read more books than anyone else I know.

You don't think one can enjoy Tolstoy and Meyer?
You're joking, right?
They serve different purposes - it doesn't mean they can't be enjoyable.

It's like a movie - do you only watch one kind of movie?
No, probably not, same goes for books. And honestly, you can't have read that much or enjoy that many if you think two different types of writers can't be enjoyed.

MattG

01-07-2009, 05:15 PM

Zee.

01-07-2009, 05:15 PM

Lol, no way was Austen a romanticist. She was actually very much alike to Ann Bronte, whose sisters were definately romantic novelists, but who wrote in a very 'to the point' style which encapsulated quiet wit and a certain dignity.

That's what I meant. She isn't a romanticist, and she is often misunderstood.
People write her off as Chick - Lit. I don't enjoy her work that much, but it's clear from a mile away she isn't a romantic writer. She uses satire and irony.

Also Allannah, saying you have read a lot of books in my opinion, isn't boasting.

Especially on a literature website...

1n50mn14

01-07-2009, 05:19 PM

I thought the books themselves were poop. The story was redundant, and there was nothing new or interesting to them. The writing style wasn't spectacular. And the only reason this has become as big as it has is not because it is particularily epic, but because it has something teen can identify with (you tell me what, I'm 17 but I've never been a big 'teen literature' person), and because the 'goth-vampire-werewolve-lovestory' genre has become much more marketable and fad.

>.<

Too many people don't give the books a chance because they're snobs. I read Twilight when it first came out, hoping for something along the lines of Anne Rice's work and was sorely disappointed. True romanticism lies in oh, The Vampire Lestat, vs... Edward and Bella... I gave the book a chance and was disappointed.

Blarg. It also doesn't bode well for anybody arguing against the fact that the series is a teen fad that there is a conversation in this thread with regards to who is the better partner for Bella. =/

Zee.

01-07-2009, 05:21 PM

Well, teens tend toward thinking that they are immortal as a general matter of course. Any insurance agent who has to insure one to drive will tell you that.

I sort of took it as a play on perceived immortality vs literal immortality. I think folks who are of the younger ilk (generally speaking of course) will perhaps identify with immortality a bit more than an older person who has perhaps been exposed to a greater amount of mortality in life. Speaking for myself, I KNOW I used to think I was indestructible until life stepped in and proved to me that I was far from it.

Look - i don't know, i think some people are really looking to deep in to it.
I don't think on it too much. To me it was a good story, not a fantastic read, but i'm glad it was to the liking of a lot of other people.

1n50mn14

01-07-2009, 05:23 PM

Reading back further in the thread and seeing 'fluff' comments.

We're all allowed to read trash sometimes.

Twilight. Is. Trash.

(That's okay!! We're allowed trash! I'm just saying, it certainly isn't an up and coming literary classic!)

curlyqlink

01-07-2009, 05:33 PM

You say you haven't read twilight? to be honest, there is no need to analyze it. Its clear that Meyer wrote it simply to tell a story. Not to make a statement, not to present us with an idea - but to tell a story. At least, that's how i interpret it. I mean, to me its like asking what the meaning of Harry Potter is. You just cant go into it that deep.
Ah, but sadly, you can go that deep. Even a book like Twilight is open to interpretation... in fact, like any work of writing, it must be interpreted, at some level, merely to be comprehensible.

And JBI, I'd say you pretty much hit the mark pretty closely with your analysis. I have read Twilight, and the book can be summed up as a kind of literary safe sex for the Young Adult crowd. Twilight is basically only about sex, all of the repressed kind.

I'm not sure if Edward the vampire qualifies as "allegory". It's too obvious for that... he doesn't represent the dangerous, attractive bad boy, he is the dangerous attractive bad boy. It's Bram Stoker, updated and sanitized. Instead of representing a dark, Eastern, threatening kind of male sexuality, predatory and deadly, the vampire in Meyer's book is a pretty and politically corrected boy. You can practically smell the hair gel and the Axe body spray.

Problem is, the book is only superficially politically correct. And this is where the perils of unavoidable analysis come in-- at least they did for me. Read superficially, it's a fun story, full of romance and the bubbly enthusiasm of youth. But there's a bad smell underlying it all.

Because Bella is a girl attracted to a beautiful, dangerous, moody, unstable and unpredictable boy who can break her in half. And she is attracted to him precisely because he can break her in half. She doesn't know this of course, and I suspect that I, the reader, am not supposed to notice this either.

Problem is, I did.

Allannah

01-07-2009, 05:34 PM

To limajean;
Okay, okay. I hereby remove the stick and formally offer you my apologies. I was being unnecessarily picky. All better now? (:

Yes, I'm being serious. I think that you're misinterpreting me or choosing not to understand the obvious. When you read two books of such different levels, you, if not conciously, subconciously compare both- in this case, Twilight unfavourably, because it's so evidently lacking. You can enjoy them both- but you will not enjoy them to the same degree; I think that this is how I should have made it clearer. And appreciation, of course, contributes to enjoyment..
You're actually right- I haven't read half as many books as I should have- but you wouldn't have been able to deduce that from the opinion that I expressed in the post to which you were referring, for I think we were thinking in different contexts (:

Niamh

01-07-2009, 05:34 PM

I doubt that you could truly enjoy both Tolstoy and Stephene Meyer. They are of such different levels and you cannot appreciate both equally.

In what sense do you believe that? I think it is very easy for someone to enjoy both. It is for me and for many others here on litnet. But then again a lot of people do tend to stick to mainly one genre or just classics. But as i've said many times here over the last few years, each to their own.

Zee.

01-07-2009, 05:35 PM

haha true.

That book is ah.. pulsing?
with sexual tension :\

To limajean;
Okay, okay. I hereby remove the stick and formally offer you my apologies. I was being unnecessarily picky. All better now? (:

Yes, I'm being serious. I think that you're misinterpreting me or choosing not to understand the obvious. When you read two books of such different levels, you, if not conciously, subconciously compare both- in this case, Twilight unfavourably, because it's so evidently lacking. You can enjoy them both- but you will not enjoy them to the same degree; I think that this is how I should have made it clearer. And appreciation, of course, contributes to enjoyment..
You're actually right- I haven't read half as many books as I should have- but you wouldn't have been able to deduce that from the opinion that I expressed in the post to which you were referring, for I think we were thinking in different contexts (:

Really? it's been removed? Good, because you were looking a little out of place there...

Yes i agree with that.
However, comparing Tolstoy and Meyer is like comparing apples and oranges..

Joreads

01-07-2009, 05:38 PM

I think one should pull that gigantic stick out of their *** - before they start talking trash about people they don't even know.

I don't know if the grammar comment was aimed at me or not, but it was quite ridiculous regardless. My best friend can't spell very well and she has read more books than anyone else I know.

You don't think one can enjoy Tolstoy and Meyer?
You're joking, right?
They serve different purposes - it doesn't mean they can't be enjoyable.

It's like a movie - do you only watch one kind of movie?
No, probably not, same goes for books. And honestly, you can't have read that much or enjoy that many if you think two different types of writers can't be enjoyed.

imajean I agree with you I am a terrible speller always have been and I read a lot also. My grammar is not much better I am sure, it has nothing to do with how many books you read believe me.

I have read both Tolstoy and Meyer and I enjoyed them both but for very different reasons. Lets not forget that they are very different books and is it really fair to compare them? What purpose is there to reading the same type of books all the time regardless of what they are. I read books for many different reasons but one of them is to escape and another is to extend myself and they require very different types of books.

By the way JBI the birthing scene is pretty bad but it is a small part of the book and quickly forgotten when the action between Bella and Edwards heats up. For the record birthing doesn't always go well for us non vampires if that was enough to turn women off the population would be in a lot of trouble.

Niamh

01-07-2009, 05:42 PM

comparing Tolstoy and Meyer is like comparing apples and oranges..

Now that is a very true statement. Its almost like trying to compare an epic fantasy book to chick lit.

Allannah

01-07-2009, 06:04 PM

Niamh

01-07-2009, 06:14 PM

Actually, what you read does greatly influence how you write. I will present myself as a clear example; I'm Dutch and my family and I moved to England at the time that you'd usually be developing reading/ writing skills. I was never taught to read or write French, as I was learning to speak, read, and write English, but taught myself to when my mother started making me read French books. I have derived more grammar and language from those books than from any French lessons which clearly set out grammar rules and vocabulary. Although I'm sure you didn't really need or want to know that, it is quite well known that if you read voraciously, your grammar will be alike that of the material you read and that your general understanding of language will be different according to the style that you like best.

you do have a valid point, but it may not have the same effect if its many different types of styles you read. I'm sure if someone only read trashy books and say young adult books, they would write in a similar style and might not use a broad vocab, and someone who mainly read classics might be influenced by them. but for someone who reads a bit of everything, it may not have as much of an effect. but who knows. I'm no expert, i'm only speculating.

*Classic*Charm*

01-07-2009, 06:53 PM

I doubt that you could truly enjoy both Tolstoy and Stephene Meyer. They are of such different levels and you cannot appreciate both equally.

Are you saying that if I have the mental capacity to enjoy Stephanie Meyer, I do not have the capacity to enjoy Tolstoy? Please clarify; I find that a little offensive...

But apples and oranges are comparable...oh dear ^^ Yes, I'm being deliberately awkward. Anyway, someone was comparing War and Peace to Twilight and that is from where my comment stemmed (:

Actually, the comparison was between Anna Karenina and Twilight, when I was told that if I'm going to read a work such as Tolstoy's I should be reading more appropriate fluff.

Although I'm sure you didn't really need or want to know that, it is quite well known that if you read voraciously, your grammar will be alike that of the material you read and that your general understanding of language will be different according to the style that you like best.

The difference here is that you have deliberately applied yourself to the improvement of both your written and spoken language, and obviously you take great care when expressing yourself. Not everyone applies him or herself in the same way. Of course, there's the other option- those who speak in their first language and are simply careless, especially while typing. I know that I speak and write far more correctly than I type.

I am not suggesting that anyone spend all of their time reading heavyweight novels such as Anna Karenina; there is plenty of lighter fiction to choose from as an alternative and, of course, it's entirely up to you what you choose to read. But teenage vampires! You're kidding me right?

I've read plenty of light fiction as well as the classic literature with which I'm trying to educate myself, but that still has no bearing whatsoever on the fact that I chose to read about teenage vampires. That happened to be what I felt like reading at the time. I have openly admitted that Twilight is not of the same writing quality of other fiction, whether contemporary or classic, original language or translation. It is simply a story in which to immerse oneself, and whether or not others find that credible does not matter in the least. I really don't understand why you would suggest that the fluff I choose to read isn't appropriate..? What would you consider appropriate fluff?

Zee.

01-07-2009, 06:56 PM

But apples and oranges are comparable...oh dear ^^ Yes, I'm being deliberately awkward. Anyway, someone was comparing War and Peace to Twilight and that is from where my comment stemmed (:

Actually, what you read does greatly influence how you write. I will present myself as a clear example; I'm Dutch and my family and I moved to England at the time that you'd usually be developing reading/ writing skills. I was never taught to read or write French, as I was learning to speak, read, and write English, but taught myself to when my mother started making me read French books. I have derived more grammar and language from those books than from any French lessons which clearly set out grammar rules and vocabulary. Although I'm sure you didn't really need or want to know that, it is quite well known that if you read voraciously, your grammar will be alike that of the material you read and that your general understanding of language will be different according to the style that you like best.

Well i've read a whole lot of books in my life time - you pick up different things. Of course the way I speak and my choice of words has changed, but I still use one two many commas.
It doesn't alter the fact I've probably read more books than you - even if you have better grammar than I do.

To be honest, I was quite offended too..

Allannah, maybe you should be a little more careful with what you say. I don't know you and you certainly don't know me.

I am lazy with the way i write. Period. It doesn't mean I cant express myself in the "correct way"

Allannah

01-08-2009, 03:57 PM

I seem to have made a rather bad introduction to the forum xD

Once again, limajean, I apologise to you- although, I must say, I find your acceptance [or unacceptance] of it somewhat ungracious. I have acknowledged that my criticism of your post was unnecessary, but you seem intent on mantaining your unpleasant view of me ^^

How do you know, with such certainty, that you have read so many more books than I? I admit that I was being modest perhaps until the point of untruthfulness when I more or less said that I hadn't read that many books- I actually have read quite a lot, especially in proportion to my age.

Classic Charm- I don't know why you're talking about mental capacity; I never referred to it whether directly or indirectly. I would appreciate it if you at least tried to interpret what I said correctly! =] I would certainly not say that. My friend Hannah loves the Twilight series, and yet has an IQ of about a billion ^^ You have doubtless not read my former post on the previous page in which I explained why exactly I felt that you could not enjoy both authors both to the same degree.

Actually, since I was about eight or nine when I started reading books in French, I doubt that I really had the capacity to conciously "apply" myself- which is why I used myself as an example to support my point.

To anyone else that I've inadvertently offended: I'M SORRY! x]