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wrestler145
12-06-2007, 12:41 PM
Wht does obrian insist on having Winston love the government i dont get it hes getting him to love the governement so he can vaporize him why would you put so much work and effort into something to vaporize someone.. is it just to flaunt there power or what?? :idea:

bazarov
12-06-2007, 03:26 PM
Making Winston to love the Big Brother would be greatest Party success. It's easy to kill someone, it's harder to change his principles and beliefs.

The Atheist
12-06-2007, 03:57 PM
It also preserves the complete purity of the Party - even dissenters must realise their true love for BB and the Party before they are vaporised.

thescholar
12-06-2007, 05:24 PM
This concept further's the reader's negative opinion of the Party, for this solidifies the Party's lack of mercy and horrible sadism. The reader is disgusted by the Party's treatment of Winston to the point of HOPING they will kill him quickly. However, Orwell draws it out so as to force the reader to experience the discomfort of reading about the complete obliteration of a person's mind. This causes the reader to stereotype dictatorship as brutal and cruel.

bazarov
12-06-2007, 05:30 PM
But if they had killed Winston quickly they would be kind and you would sympathize them?

thescholar
12-06-2007, 05:48 PM
Thats my theory, since throughout the entire storyline Orwell continually develops the reader's negative feelings towards the Party (and subconsciously totalitarianism) as a method of warning people about the threats of oligarchism and totalitarianism.

bazarov
12-06-2007, 05:52 PM
I don't think readers have negative opinion about Party, dictatorship and totalitarianism because of Orwell; they have it because they are mostly rational. Orwell shoved bad sides of dictatorship. He could surely write a novel representing good sides of Party. Would that change your opinion?

thescholar
12-06-2007, 06:05 PM
I really don't know, however, I do know that one of Orwell's main purposes was to show the "possible threats" of dictatorship, since this novel was published but four years after World War two. Also, Winston is based on or atleast named for Winston Churchill where Big Brother is stylized much like Hitler. Also, Goldstein, the scapegoat for all negative emotions who is portrayed as the would-be usurper of warm, loving protective Big Brother, is a Jewish name.

bazarov
12-06-2007, 06:10 PM
Big Brother is obviously Stalin. Hitler was dead, he could not be treat. In those days, USSR was only one well known totalitarian state.

thescholar
12-06-2007, 06:18 PM
It is my belief that Big Brother personifies aspects of Hitler and Stalin... Also, Totalitarianism was only one sub-genre of government that Orwell was criticizing. The most notable are Totalitarianism (obviously), oligarchism, autocracy, and Authoritarianism.