Seeking for God?

[blazeofglory]

What is God? Is he something meaningful? We have a choice whether to believe in God or science?

In fact science has its own limitations and of course beyond a certain point science can not go and maybe we see answer through spirituality or God and that is why people have excuses for God.

Does god create things? Human beings, animals? Dis God really create the way the Bible described> Even a small boy does not believe it? Different Gods created the world differently. In Hinduism there is one theory and in Christianity there is quite another and of ours every religion has its own version of creation , mentions of heaven and hell and forms of reward and punishment.

And if we say God helps the poor and the destitute, why does he create them?
If he is really almighty and can do things miraculously, why does he not do such things to eradicate poverty?

Does he create poor people so that he will get servitude? Or he is so powerful and hungers for prayers or praise?

Does he have a form? or shape? Then what is it? Or you may say he is a source of energy or unconsciousness. OK, let him be so.

People fight and kill one another in the name religion and God. The brand some people as sacred or the chosen seeds and others as sinners.

In fact no one is a sinner or sacred. Everyone is programmed and he does not account for what he does. It is the society, (his society constitutes his parents as well) that indeed shapes the way man acts. We all are responsible for what a culprit does. When a house is burgled, it is not the thief to be blamed. There is proper distribution and somebody's house is full of grains and in the other's there is emptiness.

That is why revolution takes place when there are disparities.

Then if someone sins and engages in sacrileges indeed it is he who accounts for it and of course the society he is in also answerable for his acts. Then why he should be sent to hell to face infernal fire?

[thirdeye]

Well said..I would add something intelligent to agree with you but i'm too damn tired. Another time perhaps :)

[blazeofglory]

Well said..I would add something intelligent to agree with you but i'm too damn tired. Another time perhaps :)

I am indeed very curious to read something from you. Of course very impatiently waiting for your answer.

[Remarkable]

Well raised question...I don't believe in God and some of my reasons are exactly the ones mentioned above.Although,one must not forget that it is Christianity that says God puts humans in front of difficulties and barriers.I,on the other hand,think that if there really is a God and he is truly doing that,it means that he is definitely playing with us.Anyway,I,personally,am not seeking for God.Perhaps believing means to be too afraid to try another answer.Don't forget that is was the Church the one that did not accept and even persecuted the new theories and theoriciens.Today,all the theories are proven to be right.Well,that speaks for itself,doesn't it?
While revolutions are quite another thing.Blazeofglory is very right when talking about it but everyone must keep in mind that revolutions take place only when the opressed understand their situation and when they have a better model.
One last piece of advice:read Joyce.In it you with find the answers of some of these kind of questions;it is quite satisfactory.Althought you might not agree,it is worth seeing religion in another way.

[Auriga]

I think the problem most people have when it comes to conceiving the existence of god, is that they assume that because he is viewed as a 'creator' of sorts, it automatically implies that he must have some kind of an active part in the development of the universe. I have to admit, I find this view to be a bit presumptious. Why should God have an active hand in the way we live our lives and pursue happiness? Why is it so difficult for people to imagine a god where he simply pressed the "go" button and sat back.

Sure, this may seem to be a cold god, and one not worth worshipping, but that's another point altogether. Believing in a kind of beginning as a result of some higher power does not equate to us having to pray and worship it.

To be clear, I'm not saying I reserve myself to such a belief. I'm just giving another point of view.

[blazeofglory]

In point of fact I subscribe to points of view for there are just points of view about it and no solid theory or any idea to substantiate it. We cannot indeed substantiate it. Of course we often believe, yet no one is pretty sure of it, in some power and source of energy that powers us.

Scientifically, the universe is chaos or pandemoniums and nothing else, but theists have an argument that there is order or some power that kind of sets law and order.

We are indeed unsure about it. Honestly, I live with fluxes, that means I can not find verities in one set of ideas, and ideas crop up endlessly effacing one set and superseding or germinating another set endlessly in this ever changing flux.

I do not subscribe to particular theories for most of them are subject to be false and contradicting of course. For we can not reason or kind of measure or compare or prove such ideas.

However it is indeed interesting to share with one another.

[Midas]

The question you should be asking, perhaps, is why just about everyone sees God as some being with the chacteristics of a human- usually a 'He'. (They rarely admit to this, but shy away from giving away any personal mental picture)

Well, we know why, it is because we have been programmed, sometimes intentionally, and other times by repetition by those who can't think for themselves and follow the main line of accepted thought - or what they see as accepted.

Why has it to be a 'person', a sort of invisible person that has arms and legs, and a head. And who stomps around somewhere above in a heavenly place with all seeing eyes. It is this acceptence that causes a problem with those who's ability to 'reason' is above the average.

Because this appears unnatural to most people to see it any other way.

Thought, mind, call it what you will, is invisible, but it has power. It has now been proved that people who do not have the use of their hands, can control a computer by their mind power. That is fact - just mind energy - no 'touchee' by the person.

I am not going to enlarge upon this, though I could at great length. (I'll spare you that).

However, I hope that the above might ignite some imagination out there that will move things away from the common slant and provide an alternative view.

There are times when two minds happen to hit the same wave length, and this could be when there is no attempt to communicate (in fact usually is), that one person's thoughts can be picked up clearly by another - no words being spoken.

The female mind is good at this (as many husbands and boy friends will tesitify.)

Hope you see where all this is pointing?

[blazeofglory]

The question you should be asking, perhaps, is why just about everyone sees God as some being with the chacteristics of a human- usually a 'He'. (They rarely admit to this, but shy away from giving away any personal mental picture)

Well, we know why, it is because we have been programmed, sometimes intentionally, and other times by repetition by those who can't think for themselves and follow the main line of accepted thought - or what they see as accepted.

Why has it to be a 'person', a sort of invisible person that has arms and legs, and a head. And who stomps around somewhere above in a heavenly place with all seeing eyes. It is this acceptence that causes a problem with those who's ability to 'reason' is above the average.

Because this appears unnatural to most people to see it any other way.

Thought, mind, call it what you will, is invisible, but it has power. It has now been proved that people who do not have the use of their hands, can control a computer by their mind power. That is fact - just mind energy - no 'touchee' by the person.

I am not going to enlarge upon this, though I could at great length. (I'll spare you that).

However, I hope that the above might ignite some imagination out there that will move things away from the common slant and provide an alternative view.

There are times when two minds happen to hit the same wave length, and this could be when there is no attempt to communicate (in fact usually is), that one person's thoughts can be picked up clearly by another - no words being spoken.

The female mind is good at this (as many husbands and boy friends will tesitify.)

Hope you see where all this is pointing?

Midas, it is really interesting to read things you have so beautifully presented. Of course I agree with you on the idea of wavelength. We can not say and should not make conclusions. Indeed things happen or are likely to happen beyond realms of our imagination. Of course this world is really an amazing place.

For instance this internet, it could not be imagined even in our wildest dreams . Of course it was not possible.

I can believe in or disbelieve in what you said, but I can not ignore or say you are wrong.

Of course the same can be said of the existence of some source of consciousness. We can make a lot of assumptions. But it is of course a matter of reasoning but there is nothing to prove.

[Midas]

First, thanks for your kind words 'Blaze'. No one has the answers, and I doubt ever will. By that, I mean the answers to whether it is all one big 'accident' without any reason to be, other than as an accident, or whether there is some form of 'Intelligence', an energy force that permeates everything, without exception, and works to a purpose.

What do I believe? Well it isn't yet a true belief, but it is where thoughts tend to circulate, is that Life is controlled by a form of energy - what I, and some others who have thought along these lines call a 'Universal Intelligence'.

Now, Intelligence does not mean that it must operate along lines we tend to associate with intelligence among people. This is why those who see it as God cannot understand why this 'power' doesn't dispense order, and a form of benign justice to which we can relate. It confounds us. But only because we do not understand its purpose.

Bit it can be fun speculating. It will, no doubt, keep enquiring minds occupied as long as human life exists. But then................

[blazeofglory]

First, thanks for your kind words 'Blaze'. No one has the answers, and I doubt ever will. By that, I mean the answers to whether it is all one big 'accident' without any reason to be, other than as an accident, or whether there is some form of 'Intelligence', an energy force that permeates everything, without exception, and works to a purpose.

What do I believe? Well it isn't yet a true belief, but it is where thoughts tend to circulate, is that Life is controlled by a form of energy - what I, and some others who have thought along these lines call a 'Universal Intelligence'.

Now, Intelligence does not mean that it must operate along lines we tend to associate with intelligence among people. This is why those who see it as God cannot understand why this 'power' doesn't dispense order, and a form of benign justice to which we can relate. It confounds us. But only because we do not understand its purpose.

Bit it can be fun speculating. It will, no doubt, keep enquiring minds occupied as long as human life exists. But then................


Midas, all I think is must not make conclusions as many tend to make so. Everything is mysterious. How can we living beings conclude about this universal thing. Science is indeed in its infancy and its discoveries and inventions or hypothesis is like adding a drop to an ocean, and nothing more and we have yet to arrive at truth indeed. We must all together think and should not say things conclusively about the existence of God, or super consciousness or something like that. I feel like that and am open to discussion. .

[libernaut]

i never believed in any "GOD". i too had some sort of anthropomorphised preconceptions about the idea. well, im going to tell you, there is a fourth dimension. to any seeking god unsure of where to start.
you can start by dropping any preconceptions you have put in the way by what you understand of religion.
to understand god. PRAY.

[Etienne]

Thought, mind, call it what you will, is invisible, but it has power.

And it might also be only electric pulses in the brain...


It has now been proved that people who do not have the use of their hands, can control a computer by their mind power. That is fact - just mind energy - no 'touchee' by the person.

What a biased way of presenting things. The is a chip implemented in the brain that is connected to the computer. The chip analyzes the electric emissions of the brain at the part where the arm should move (and the person has to act like if he/she was moving say, the right arm, even if it's gone) and then transmits it to the computer. This doesn't show at all the power of the "thought, mind, call it what you want" but the power of technology.

I am not going to enlarge upon this, though I could at great length. (I'll spare you that).


well, im going to tell you, there is a fourth dimension. to any seeking god unsure of where to start.

The fourth dimension is time... I'm not sure where you are leading with this...

[crazefest456]

I think he means the fourth spatial dimension...

[Etienne]

Whatever, it won't change anything to the fact that mathematical concepts do not exist outside of their conceptuality.

[crazefest456]

well, mathematical concepts are just tools to understand the world around us, just like philosophy, and even sculpting for that matter. It maybe possible to "find" god through a mixture of these tools. But you might be right that these tools might be too superficial to define a higher being.
We can always try, though?

[B-Mental]

Blaze...your words are like a cool refreshing waterfall on a hot dry day...I am humbled again...one day I would sit at your feet and listen to all you say...but I live what you live...Cheers, B