What if there was no god?

[Etienne]

If you agree, how do you justify religious fanatics, religious nuts, religious terrorists, religious intolerance, etc.? Following your reasoning, believing very strong should be enough to lead to the straight path, however experience shows that religious people are not "better" than not religious people. You can say their ways are twisted, but would you be ready to say that they don't honestly believe in God and do not "set their minds on God" and "seek Him"?

All very poetic and mystical, and might work in a theologico-theoritical conceptual world, but what does this tell me when applied to the real world? A pretty self-illusion.

[NikolaiI]

I think that if we do violence to others, it affects us negatively as well, be this because of karma or interdependence. Interdependence is why I think we are on Earth at all, and not in a collective paradise.

I was thinking of what God is, and I thought of a bit more to say about it. God is an infinte, as I have already said. Let's talk about quantum theory for a moment. This has proved to us shatteringly that everything we thought was true was not true. This might indicate that whatever we discover as science, that whatever we discover about the natural laws, we will be dwarfed by something relating to it like quantum theory relates to the cut-and-dried, accepted by all, air-tight theory like the mathematically rate of change for gravity, etc. Einstein said he would not accept that God played dice with reality. However, God as an infinite makes order out of the chaos, and even the random and near infinite activity of subatomic particles, our understanding of which quantum theory radically revolutionalized, this random and near infinite complexity of what we understand to be reality--- understand that quantum theory has completely shattered our illusions, and as best we understand it all, there is no reality, you go lower and lower and it descends into complete randomness and uncomprehensiveness. God is an infinite is this-- "there is no deep reality." Scientists have not made progress after this, simply because they are not able to make the leap of understanding I have just presented for you.

A few more words about God. As an infinite, it is in everything and connects it all. Time doesn't exist but doesn't need infinity to link together moments in apparent different times-- this is done even just by writing. What is God? the infinite, the hidden, the mysterious, the unknowable more real than the deepest level of non reality.

To say there is no God may be true. But do you realize what it means? Hardly. God, as infnite, already is this "no deep reality" which quantum says we do not know, nor perhaps will we ever know. The cosmos is there in what is random, and what is infinte, connecting everything, it is what we view with science as quantum reality, and in its existence it shows us our lack of understanding?

[Dark Star]

What material have you read on quantum mechanics?

[Wakaba]

If there is an almighty, all loving, and omnipotent god, would he not forgive me for refusing to spend my life trying to find the "correct" path? or do i just go to hell?

[NikolaiI]

God means that everything will be alright. There is no hell. All we can know is our own lives, and God is the good infinite that is connecting all the good things in our life.


What material have you read on quantum mechanics?

What material should I have read? I've presented my view. Will you present yours?

[Dark Star]

What material should I have read? I've presented my view. Will you present yours?

Preferably something by a physicist on the topic (NOT 'Dr. Quantum'). To be frank, your views on QM make me think you learned about it from "What The Bleep Do We Know?!" or some new age author which is why I asked the question.

I'm tired right now so any 'view' I try to give will be rather clumsily worded. I'll get back to this thread soon and explain the problems I saw there and maybe see if I can dig up some books to recommend on the topic.

[NikolaiI]

"Other Worlds: Space, Superspace, and the Quantum Universe" by Paul Davies.

[blazeofglory]

Blazeofglory: i'm curious...why do you believe there is no heaven and no hell?

Because it is a mythologically created idea, not the truth.

[Dori]

It would make things much less interesting.

[blazeofglory]

There will not be fundamentalists.

[dzebra]

There will not be fundamentalists.

Nor fundamentals.

[blazeofglory]

Really we would have lived in a world less violent, with less atrocious people and all to be cooperative and coordinating with one another.

In fact what we call God is a projection of our imaginative faculty and nothing else. Think for a while and you will realize it.

[cipherdecoy]

Then the atheists would be right.

Ha ha ha

[Big Al]

Really we would have lived in a world less violent, with less atrocious people and all to be cooperative and coordinating with one another.

In fact what we call God is a projection of our imaginative faculty and nothing else. Think for a while and you will realize it.

I find it very hard to believe that without religion, the world would be less violent, and everybody would get along. I think that's a little bit of a fairytale, to be honest.

[Dori]

I just realized that if there wasn't any God, then I wouldn't have had anything to write my term paper about that interested me. (Hm!)


Then the atheists would be right.

Ha ha ha

:D Indeed. By the way, nice sig. ;)

[blazeofglory]

In fact god is something we gave a name to a source of energy. Is not the energy itself the very source of everything we have. Is there any other sources than this?

Is God something different than this universe, this wholeness with which we often feel at one with?