Understanding oneslef

[blazeofglory]

Of course the greatest discovery man can make in life is to understand himself, and nothingness. We fail to understand ourselves. I am not raising not bigger philosophical questions. I am speaking about smaller truths.

Man' s greatest enemy is no one else, and he is not outside and indeed he is within. That is his desire to expand limitless, and his longing for possessions, a limitless possession of things and there is no end of it. He forgets for a while his limits. I am not of course in for speaking against ambitiousness. Ambition is not a thing of viciousness. Man needs space enough for expansion, of course for branching out, and he must break the limit of his littleness. Spaciousness is what defines him and helps him to manifest his immaterial self, very vast and pervasive.

However if man is motivated by a self-regarding or venal propensity man is likely to egg on themselves to engage himself engrossingly things of villainy and transgression. We can take the example of Jengish Khan and the rest of others who are expansionists by nature, and who are willing always to expand their empires endless.

The problem with them is they fail to under strand themselves, and finally what they achieve is nothing else but a bad reputation of being so brutal and inhumane.

Let us limit our desires.

Why do we want to possess things and occupy space endlessly?

The one and only reason is of course void. There is a pit, a bottomless pit within us, a big deadly void and that is why ee never feel fulfilled.

Limiting desires has nothing of course to do relinquishing desires. It is of course unnatural. It is against the law of nature, and also against the very very process of evolution.

Let us live lavishly and be happy delighting in things. Let us consume everything. However disproportionation is something that needs to be avoided . when evils befall us we are more and more stretching our desires.

Please read Marlow's Dr. Faustus attentively and deeply everything will be revealed to us. The story is just a parable and see the meaning underlying the story.

[colin r.s.]

I think living a simple life where moral guidelines are followed as best we can, without any feeling or beleif that if you fail to do this or do do that your soul will burn in Hell, not to blaspheme religion, I am Catholic, is the most ideal way to live. I strive to do this, but there is another part of me, that yearning to be like Don Quixote and live the imagined life. I don't which one is right and they're both so radically different; they're both very inherent to the human being.

[blazeofglory]

I think living a simple life where moral guidelines are followed as best we can, without any feeling or beleif that if you fail to do this or do do that your soul will burn in Hell, not to blaspheme religion, I am Catholic, is the most ideal way to live. I strive to do this, but there is another part of me, that yearning to be like Don Quixote and live the imagined life. I don't which one is right and they're both so radically different; they're both very inherent to the human being.

All I want to communicate here is let us completely bare ourselves, naked, stark naked, unclothed, with no artificialities and externalities to secret us. All I put forth is let us be completely ourselves, no externalities to veneer.

The point is at times I am not completely opened, maybe I am a bit of a hypocrite. I deceive not others but my own soul, not communicating exactly what I really feel deep down.

Here the endeavor is only the soul to unfold, to un-layer what I am at the core.

[jon1jt]

All I want to communicate here is let us completely bare ourselves, naked, stark naked, unclothed, with no artificialities and externalities to secret us. All I put forth is let us be completely ourselves, no externalities to veneer.

The point is at times I am not completely opened, maybe I am a bit of a hypocrite. I deceive not others but my own soul, not communicating exactly what I really feel deep down.

Here the endeavor is only the soul to unfold, to un-layer what I am at the core.

i read what you had to say about desire and arriving at the center of self. aren't you, however, replacing one thing with another like object? you use words, such as "inner" and "outer," to create a false dichotomy wherein you lead your readers to the conclusion that "the" way to self-discovery is through that very destruction of "layers," presumably those of culture and the like. you call this process, un-layering, unlayering - thus - is a way to core. yet, you don't inform us what that core is. the reason for this, if i may say, is that you assume the "core" as an object of consciousness, a conceptual maneuver that allows you to shatter the outer and uphold the inner. the core could equally be nothing. i'm not sure you're aware of it.

we are not spectators of world, we are engaged in world, involved in tasks. talking about "core" in that sense is superfluous. social roles are not "us." they are mere values, categories.

basic experience is a holistic experience of being in the world. remove value to get to the self. start there, discover. ;)

[blazeofglory]

i read what you had to say about desire and arriving at the center of self. aren't you, however, replacing one thing with another like object? you use words, such as "inner" and "outer," to create a false dichotomy wherein you lead your readers to the conclusion that "the" way to self-discovery is through that very destruction of "layers," presumably those of culture and the like. you call this process, un-layering, unlayering - thus - is a way to core. yet, you don't inform us what that core is. the reason for this, if i may say, is that you assume the "core" as an object of consciousness, a conceptual maneuver that allows you to shatter the outer and uphold the inner. the core could equally be nothing. i'm not sure you're aware of it.

we are not spectators of world, we are engaged in world, involved in tasks. talking about "core" in that sense is superfluous. social roles are not "us." they are mere values, categories.

basic experience is a holistic experience of being in the world. remove value to get to the self. start there, discover. ;)

Maybe there is some difference between yours and mine ideas in terms of expression. I subscribe to your ideas indeed. Your ideas compliment mine, or there is something missing in what I said, and I was not aware of that fact prior to reading yours. Now I can understand something is indeed wanting in me, in my expression. I totally agree that we have to remove values to get th e self.

Maybe this is owing to my lack of linguistic proficiency. Basically I wanted say the same thing indeed.

[DoronShadmi]

Do a lot of people understand self awarness as a nightmare ?


Maybe the keyword is freedom.

There is no algorithm for freedom, because it is beyond calculation.

To be free means that you are responsible to your internal and the immediate external environments, which are actually associated by a one organic realm where uncertainty and redundancy are challenging first-order properties of it.

The immediate external environment is increased only if common laws are gently expressed by unique persons without destroy each other's unique existence.

In order to achieve this ever flourishing realm, the common (the whole) and the non-common (the parts) have to complement each other as a main method instead of prevent each other as a main method.

The western logic is based on prevention where the eastern culture is based on complementation.

The organic method is based on the association between complementation and prevention.

"Pure" complementation is the whole and "pure" prevention is each isolated part.

I think that our realm is the result of the association between these extremes, and life development is an actual expression of this association.

If life expression is a whole\part association that has the power to shape its internal\external environment, then it is an everlasting experiment of its own that has an increased power to destroy the associations between the whole and the parts and destroy life itself (which is exactly a whole\part association).

People are afraid of freedom because it comes together with an everlasting responsibility to save and develop it.

So the nightmare is the understanding that freedom is a hard work, the work that saves and develops it.

[blp]

An onion is all layers. Remove all its layers and you arrive at nothing.
This is the self. :D

[jon1jt]

An onion is all layers. Remove all its layers and you arrive at nothing.
This is the self. :D

ahhhh, now that's cool- :thumbs_up

[crazefest456]

the core seems all too violent to me...but at the same time, self disillusionment is even worse! I fight with myself too much.