signs of zodiac

[Monica]

do you believe in all those theories connected with the signs of zodiac? for example that they determine your character or ways of behaving? i've read somewhere that my sign (gemini) is the most malicious one...:(

[verybaddmom]

i definitely do believe in all that stuff, even if there is no scientific proof for its existence. i had a friend of mine once do a starsign chart thing for me, and it was eerily accurate, down to information that there was no way he could have known, like erogenous zones (not like the 'everybody's got em' erogenous zones, but MINE). was creepy just because he had all sorts of information about me that i was unwilling to acknowledge to myself, even while i know it is true (you know, all that stuff about yourself that is less than pure and righteous? :angel: that's what he knew... )
anyhow, i have no way of proving or disproving the ties to the stars, but when i think about the vastness of the universe and then inter-connectedness of all the living things on earth...i cant imagine that there is nothing connecting us to the larger picture.
oh, and im a libra :wave:

[emily655321]

I don't buy into it. *shrug* Tea leaves, Ouija boards, and the zodiac...all seems the same to me.

[Koa]

Nah... not really...It makes me curious etc, but I don't think there's much truth... Especially horoscopes in magazines lol, like the same thing would happen to all the people born under that sign... Sometimes I like to think that people born in the same period have something in common or so, but I don't think there's anything deep or to be taken as a general truth...

[Kiwi Shelf]

oh, and im a libra :wave:

I'm a Libra too :)

As for the question, I belive that your sign may influence who you are, but necessarily everything involved in that sign will relate to you. For example, my sign says I like to shop and I hate to.

[verybaddmom]

i agree with your points, kiwi and koa, but i think that there is more to it than just reading what the general sign has to say. people who do readings are very precise about gathering data re: where, exactly, you were born, and what time and so on, as one born in europe will be under a different influence than one born in north america.
the star sign itself is just a generality. (in fact there are thirteen, not twelve, zodiak signs. the fact that the thirteenth is not included for some reason is generally used by scientists to refute the idea of astrology being a science.)
the thing is, location and timing is very important to decipher whereabouts in your star sign your birth took place, and is used to determine information regarding your personality and characteristics. i think it would be advisable to actually have a complete reading done based on that information before deciding whether or not there is anything to it....
i find this funny in a way, because i have very few concrete beliefs about things that require faith. its just that the readings that i have had done are so eerily correct *shudder* that i cant help but thinkt there is more to it than a bunch of people writing crap up in an editorial office.

[Kiwi Shelf]

What's the 13th zodiac sign?

[Ender]

I think that depends on the culture. I know that the Celts and Chinese have 13, as there are 13 moons in a year, but I didn't think that the standard zodiac had 13....

But I'd rather my sign be Willow than Aries anyway. I find the celtic astrology to fit me better.

[verybaddmom]

Ophiuchus (The Serpent Bearer)

[amuse]

i taught myself to do charts in the ninth grade; astrology done right is very exact, informative, and mathematical.
i don't have any interest in it anymore, but i also don't take the sun sign someone happens to be as very informative, either. i also rarely tell someone what mine is, because i just end up figuratively rolling my mind's eye when they start spouting stuff about them/me based on that.
hm. not to be rude.

[Kiwi Shelf]

Ophiuchus (The Serpent Bearer)

Oh, very cool, thanks

[crisaor]

do you believe in all those theories connected with the signs of zodiac? for example that they determine your character or ways of behaving? i've read somewhere that my sign (gemini) is the most malicious one...:(
Nope. I don't.

[Koa]

Yeah I know the 'professional' readings require very precise info etc, but I think I've had a couple of those from different people just for curiosity, and they weren't too accurate nor were the same, so I assume there are many ways of learning that and they're not all necessarily too good...

[Kiwi Shelf]

One of my friends read tarot cards for fun, she is pretty good at it...

[verybaddmom]

koa, i dont think that's any different than any body of knowledge really....for example, you can go to three different doctors for the same condition and get three different diagnosis and opinions (or for that matter five different piercers!). i dont think its any different; all information is open to interpretation.
please dont take it like im trying to change your mind....that's not my intention at all.
and also, i have a set of russian gypsy fortune telling cards, which are similar to tarot. when i do readings for other people, it doesnt seem to be all that great, but when i do readings for myself...eerie. the night before my bf left for his army training course, i was sitting on the floor doing a reading for myself while he sat on the couch polishing his boots (he's forever polishing the boots!) and i was turning up cards on "separation due to circumstance", and "relationship interruption due to physical distance", and i even drew one that said i needed to get out and socialize to avoid lonliness and alienation due to lack of people close to me right now. we both thought that was pretty cool.

[papayahed]

I kinda believe, I had a someone do a chart for me and it seemed to be on the money. Like VBM said it looked at a lot more than just my zodiac sign. It was very interesting.

[baddad]

I just spent three months in the eastern Mexican jungle and Cozumel isle. The Mayan calender is based upon a 28 day, thirteen moon cycle, spanning a 52 year time period before beginning over again. While astrological signs tied to a gregarian calander are relatively simple in that most people by the age of ten have a fair idea of their 'sign', the Mayan's designated 'signs' include the year you are born, four colours associated with your sign, and a breakdown into a passle of individual lesser (meaning more fragmented and personalized) 'signs'. VERRRRRRYYYYYY interesting. But magical, meaningful, relative to individual lives? Probably not. BUT.... I am a believer in a confluence of the concrete and spiritual worlds. You see what you want to see, believe your own reality. Reality can be created by the mind, but this does not make it less real, even if the reality is set as a table for one...................

[verybaddmom]

oh baddad!!! welcome back.
missed you terribly
*hugs*

and ps: reality...fantasy...who knew where they would meet?

[emily655321]

Hi, baddad! :wave: I remember you. You were here for like a week after I joined. How do you like the new digs around here? :cool:

[elecrab]

This is just based on what I have observed about sun signs (zodiac) over the years: It's not about how you act--for example, as a cancer I'm supposed to be a stubborn homebody--but it's really about who you're compatible with. For example, I've always hit it off right away with other cancers and pices. I become friends with them and find out their sign later, and it just amazes me how this is true. It's about compatability, not personality...If you want to know more about your personality, take the meyers-briggs test. According to it, there are only 16 personality types in the world. NEwspaper horoscopes arn't accurate by any means in my opinion.
I'd appreciate replies to this.

[Koa]

and where is this test to be found?

as for replies, well I'm not sure, I just read in magazines that the sing x gets one well with the sing y and sometimes I've found it true, but then it doesnt seem to me to be always such a sure 'rule'...

[RococoLocket]

I'm a Taurean in the West & a Tiger with the element of Fire in the Far-East. I've studied extensively, books about how Taureans are supposed to be & books on how Tigers are supposed to be & i've found that i'm more like a Tiger; Ie, that Chinese astrology is far more accurate, for me at least.

I used to be addicted to reading all my horoscopes that I could get my hands on every day, but now that i'm happy in my life i'd rather not read them, because I do believe in them & i'm a terrible worrier, I suffer from an anxiety disorder, and even a bad horoscope will have me terrified if it's bad. Even if it's vague but seemingly bad it'd totally upset me. I read a horoscope for 'the coming year' back in January & i've been petrified of something it's said ever since. I wont relax until Autumn :(

[mono]

and where is this test to be found?
The Meiers-Brigg's test? I once took that, and found it very interesting! At the end of the psychological test, you receive four letters, which corresponds to personality, behavior, and cognition, but I probably should not inform you of exactly what they mean to get accurate, un-biased test results, if you take it. I thought I posted here (http://www.online-literature.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4260) once, but the site posted calls it by a lesser-known name, the Jung-Enneagram test.

As to the actual question of the thread, I remain highly skeptic. Of newspaper and Internet astrology postings, I cannot contribute any belief, due to their ambiguity. Of tarot readings, palm readings, phrenology, ouija boards, and other such phenomena, I consider myself greatly skeptic, since some of them can seem just as ambiguous, contingent on the person's response, and seem more on the side of disbelief than belief.
As amuse mentioned, the reading of actual astrology charts seem greatly mathematical, somewhat reliable, and interesting, but my skepticism cannot deliver a great amount of merit without really tossing something amazing at me.

The phenomena of the astronomy-astrology connection has interested me greatly in past years, particularly of the effects of moon patterns on human behavior and physiology (I probably cannot go into great detail without receiving some strange looks), proven by credible and empirical science.

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Just a thought: how ironic, after commenting on a thread devoted to Aleister Crowley (who made a popular tarot deck), that this thread should suddenly appear. :p

[Jay]

I found another personality test (http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp). When you finish the test I found the two following links more accurate then just the 4 letters. No idea if you get those for different results or how many are there going to be though.

*edit*
btw, I'm Sagittarius :p

*edit no2*
the test is 72 questions in case you wondered how long it is :D

[elecrab]

I'm also very skeptical of Ouija and palmistry (I dismiss newspaper horoscopes), but there is a part of me that won't completely reject them. It's more like, why is it completely logical to reject sun sign theory and palmistry if they could hold some truth or if the only reason to reject them is because they are not popularly accepted. How many people, relative to catholic scholars, have actually studied sun signs. I'm not talking about psychics, but serious research and develoment? Not many, atleast, not many that people would find credible.
Has anyone else noticed a correlation between those they like and sun signs?

[mono]

I found another personality test (http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp). When you finish the test I found the two following links more accurate then just the 4 letters. No idea if you get those for different results or how many are there going to be though.
This one looks very, very similar to the one I posted also, but with different ways to answer a question; the answers following the link I posted went "disagree strongly - disagree - indifferent - agree - strongly agree," and the one you posted, Jay, went "yes - no." The questions seemed the same, my questionnaire having, I think, 108 questions, yours 72, but they look almost precisely the same. I took both and received the same results, so, for the sake of time and fewer questions, your link may appear more convenient. Thanks, Jay! ;)

Oh, and I forgot to mention in my last post - my sign: Leo, though I match few to none of the common characteristics. :D

[Koa]

The Meiers-Brigg's test? I once took that, and found it very interesting! At the end of the psychological test, you receive four letters, which corresponds to personality, behavior, and cognition, but I probably should not inform you of exactly what they mean to get accurate, un-biased test results, if you take it. I thought I posted here (http://www.online-literature.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4260) once, but the site posted calls it by a lesser-known name, the Jung-Enneagram test.


Ah, so I took it in that thread... I also took the one that Jay mentioned, it does seem quite accurate but a lot ofquestions seem to be similar to each other...

[Keltic Banshee]

Well... I think detailed personal predictions are sometimes scaringly accurate... be it "standard", chinese or celtic horoscope... though I like the celtic one most (aftetr all, I'm a Keltic Banshee hehe)... And I also like reading the cards (different types of tarot) and the runes... mostly I do it just for fun, but most times when I re-read the results afterwards, I find out that most of the things reflected there became true ^_^ And well, you know, once can be coincidence, but many times...

Wish you all the best,

Keltic Banshee

[elecrab]

You also have to wonder with all the books out there where the information on your sun sign is coming from. I mean, it had to have started somewhere and evolved greatly, and with the lack of people studying and validating conclusions about them, whose to say what traits are right? You have your basics though, for example: cancers, i have read, are consistently described as caring, homeloving, and jealous. That's all though, go any more in depth and you get a thousand different answers. We cant just blindly trust all these "descriptions" and instantly become disbelievers because of them.

[PistisSophia]

I'm a Taurean in the West & a Tiger with the element of Fire in the Far-East. I've studied extensively, books about how Taureans are supposed to be & books on how Tigers are supposed to be & i've found that i'm more like a Tiger; Ie, that Chinese astrology is far more accurate, for me at least.

I used to be addicted to reading all my horoscopes that I could get my hands on every day, but now that i'm happy in my life i'd rather not read them, because I do believe in them & i'm a terrible worrier, I suffer from an anxiety disorder, and even a bad horoscope will have me terrified if it's bad. Even if it's vague but seemingly bad it'd totally upset me. I read a horoscope for 'the coming year' back in January & i've been petrified of something it's said ever since. I wont relax until Autumn :(


I think Chinese horoscopes are more "accurate" also......you can take HORSE to water but you can't make 'em drink, eh?

[Nocturnal]

The Meiers-Brigg's test? I once took that, and found it very interesting! At the end of the psychological test, you receive four letters, which corresponds to personality, behavior, and cognition, but I probably should not inform you of exactly what they mean to get accurate, un-biased test results, if you take it. I thought I posted here (http://www.online-literature.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4260) once, but the site posted calls it by a lesser-known name, the Jung-Enneagram test.

wow...I just took the test and it is extremely accurate.
I'm INFP, type 5 variant self-press.

This was fun. :)

I, for one, grant that this kind of tests does provide some solid data that can be further proved via therapy, but as for the original question about the signs, I am a skeptic and go for the universal "perhaps..."

[volvoreta]

INTP, type 2, self pres