Why is Prostitution Wrong?

[Lote-Tree]

Prostitution is perhaps old as humanity. But why is it wrong?

Prostituion is offering sexual "intercourse" for money.

How is that different from offering your brain talent for money?
or your physical talent for money eg footballer?

What say you chaps and chapses?

[NikolaiI]

Religion, God tells us so, social evolution, it is because it is, it's wrong because it's dangerous...I don't know. Do you think it shouldn't be wrong? or isn't? If it were legal, would it be safer? Would that be okay or not because it shouldn't be done? Would it make more people do it?

[TheFifthElement]

It's not wrong, and if they made it legal then it could be properly regulated and vulnerable people could be protected. Up until recent days where freedom was given for people to marry for 'love', marriage was a business arrangement and in some places still is, therefore women have been prostituting themselves, albeit to one man only, for time eternal.

[genoveva]

Perhaps your post would have been better phrased: "Is prostitution wrong?". As is, your post assumes that it is wrong.

Fyi, prostitution is legal in Nevada, and I believe it is legal in some countries.

[TheFifthElement]

Fyi, prostitution is legal in Nevada, and I believe it is legal in some countries.

Technically it's legal in Great Britain, it's 'soliciting' which is illegal, i,e, advertising, walking the streets etc. I think running a brothel might be illegal too (not sure about that).

[Virgil]

Technically it's legal in Great Britain, it's 'soliciting' which is illegal, i,e, advertising, walking the streets etc. I think running a brothel might be illegal too (not sure about that).

Well, that makes no sense. If it's illegal to solicit, illegal to walk the streets, and illegal to run a brothel, in what way is it legal?

[hedbanger]

Why? Wanna try your hand at it?

[jon1jt]

Prostitution is perhaps old as humanity. But why is it wrong?

Prostituion is offering sexual "intercourse" for money.

How is that different from offering your brain talent for money?
or your physical talent for money eg footballer?

What say you chaps and chapses?

this chap says the reason it's "wrong" is obvious enough: there are bunch of religious fanatics in the world who are so bored with their own lives that they find some strange joy in controlling others. :D

[Virgil]

this chap says the reason it's "wrong" is obvious enough: there are bunch of religious fanatics in the world who are so bored with their own lives that they find some strange joy in controlling others. :D

You think prostitutes have fun doing what they do? I think the prostitution is degrading. Why don't you take it up? You could probably earn more than a teacher's salary. Lot's of men might pay for you. ;) Think about it Jon. How would you feel taking $50 for a sex act? Would you go home proud? Society establishes mores. All societies do.

[subterranean]

Fyi, prostitution is legal in Nevada, and I believe it is legal in some countries.


Perhaps authority made it legal for some pragmatic reasons (e.g. collecting tax). Prostitution had grown so big that not it can be considered as an industry, and it'd be "foolish" for authorities not to gain profit from it.


Prostitution is perhaps old as humanity. But why is it wrong?

Suppose I could answer this by first making a survey and ask a number of prostitutes about the reason of why they becoming a prostitute and if they have other options on how to make a living, would they still consider of being a prostitute. And I'm sure there are already a number of studies about this issue. I could only say that regardless of using moral or religious values as reasons to say that prostitution is wrong, there are other factors, like poverty, that make prostitution remains as an issue in society.

[jon1jt]

You think prostitutes have fun doing what they do? I think the prostitution is degrading. Why don't you take it up? You could probably earn more than a teacher's salary. Lot's of men might pay for you. ;) Think about it Jon. How would you feel taking $50 for a sex act? Would you go home proud? Society establishes mores. All societies do.


well that's why there's a social safety net in this country as a temporary measure to move people from the street to an apartment and job so they don't have to subject themselves to that practice if they don't choose.

that's the thing, i'm for free choice. if our government kept it's self-righteous nose out of the practice and allowed for its legalization with the proper health codes there would be no problem.

and if you want to talk about a form of prostitution, let's talk about the institution of marriage. :blush: oh my, so sorry so sorry! :D

there is no sodom, no gamorrah, no demon-haunted world; only control freaks trying to save a world that doesn't need their saving.

"To live like a Corinthian!" :D

[Granny5]

well that's why there's a social safety net in this country as a temporary measure to move people from the street to an apartment and job so they don't have to subject themselves to that practice if they don't choose.

that's the thing, i'm for free choice. if our government kept it's self-righteous nose out of the practice and allowed for its legalization with the proper health codes there would be no problem.

and if you want to talk about a form of prostitution, let's talk about the institution of marriage. :blush: oh my, so sorry so sorry! :D

there is no sodom, no gamorrah, no demon-haunted world; only control freaks trying to save a world that doesn't need their saving.

"To live like a Corinthian!" :D

I'm not quite sure what you mean. "if you want to talk about a form of prostitution, let's talk about the institution of marriage." Are you married?
I don't know about other folks, but I don't see how a loving relationship like I have with my husband could in any way be considered prostitution. I didn't realize that there was a loving factor in prostitution. I thought it was sex for money. But I'm not very well versed in that subject. All I know is what I've read and heard and been told by women when I was in law enforcement. I was told things like it was the only way they had to feed their kids and pay their bills, that it wasn't a "choice" but necessary to live. But marriage?
If you are married and this is the way you think of your sexual relationship with your spouse, maybe your spouse should reconsider.

[Hyacinth42]

Suppose I could answer this by first making a survey and ask a number of prostitutes about the reason of why they becoming a prostitute and if they have other options on how to make a living, would they still consider of being a prostitute. And I'm sure there are already a number of studies about this issue. I could only say that regardless of using moral or religious values as reasons to say that prostitution is wrong, there are other factors, like poverty, that make prostitution remains as an issue in society.

I for one agree... If you have no money, and the only way for you to survive is by selling the one thing you have (your body) then I can understand why prostitution isn't necessarily "wrong"... And I bet that if it were made legal, then at least some of the conditions would go up for prostitutes... All that was achieved by making it illegal was forcing it underground (for the poor people) or caused the rich people to go to some other country where prostitution is legal, and then do it there... Anyways, while I would rather there be no prostitution (the idea of selling your body is repulsive to me), I would only want it to occur because there were no more people who were that desperate.

[jon1jt]

I'm not quite sure what you mean. "if you want to talk about a form of prostitution, let's talk about the institution of marriage." Are you married?
I don't know about other folks, but I don't see how a loving relationship like I have with my husband could in any way be considered prostitution. I didn't realize that there was a loving factor in prostitution. I thought it was sex for money. But I'm not very well versed in that subject. All I know is what I've read and heard and been told by women when I was in law enforcement. I was told things like it was the only way they had to feed their kids and pay their bills, that it wasn't a "choice" but necessary to live. But marriage?
If you are married and this is the way you think of your sexual relationship with your spouse, maybe your spouse should reconsider.


granny, you seem like a nice lady, so maybe my comment doesn't apply to your marriage. let me qualify by saying that it applies to most marriages/relationships yesterday and today. only "open" marriages are real.

those women you met are an example that marriage is ultimately a quid pro quo: "a thing for a thing." :D

let's start here: why did the "institution" of marriage come about in the first place? hmmm.



Are you married?

granny, i love women, i don't want to control women. :D

[papayahed]

granny, i love women, i don't want to control women. :D

:eek2: :eek2: oh my. Some of you past posts seem to belie this statemnt.

[Granny5]

You are so funny. My husband just wishes he could control me. I don't know a lot of married women, maybe 2000 or so, and I don't know anyone who thinks of their marriage as prositution. They'd probably laugh at some silly man or woman who didn't understand what they were talking about if they told them they were engaging in prositution in their marriage. But if you are right, then Poppy owes me a lot of money!! And he just told me that he was so cheap, that if he had to pay for it, he'd just pay himself.

[Virgil]

well that's why there's a social safety net in this country as a temporary measure to move people from the street to an apartment and job so they don't have to subject themselves to that practice if they don't choose.

that's the thing, i'm for free choice. if our government kept it's self-righteous nose out of the practice and allowed for its legalization with the proper health codes there would be no problem.


The government is the people in a democracy. If the majority of people supported legalized prostitution it would be so. Actually if there was 20% of the population that supported it, you would find some politicians who would endorse it. I hear none. Thank God there are still people who understand the difference between decency and degradation.



and if you want to talk about a form of prostitution, let's talk about the institution of marriage. :blush: oh my, so sorry so sorry! :D

Come on now. You're falling into cliches.

[Granny5]

Virgil, do you feel like you are prosituting yourself in your marriage? I wondered if men feel differently than women. Poppy says he doesn't but
he could just be trying to earn his keep.

[Virgil]

Virgil, do you feel like you are prosituting yourself in your marriage? I wondered if men feel differently than women. Poppy says he doesn't but
he could just be trying to earn his keep.

:lol: Well, perhaps I'm the slave. A man goes out and must earn the money for the family while my wife stays at home watching TV on the couch. Sounds like institutionalized slavery. :p :p :lol:

[crisaor]

Well, for starters, it'd be convenient to consider what is the context of 'wrong' here. If you're asking about the moral (ie religious) conception of it, then your answer lies in the bible. Since the sexual act is an impure act when not within the 'right' conditions, and both subjects become one through it, it's like you're assuming the other persons sins, which in this case is particularly harmful because the other person is a prostitute and thus has a full load of those.

As to the non-moral conception, I think it's multi-lineal, as there are plenty of possible answers. From the 'you're a loser if you need to pay to score' to 'how can you sell yourself like that' and 'if you prostitute yourself it means you have no talent whatsoever'. Obviously, there are many other factors to consider, like if it's legal or not, if it's under reglamentation, if it involves crimes (such as with people underage, unhealthy conditions, restriction of freedom, etc.), if it's done out of necessity, etc.

Given your starting comparisons, I'd say that offering the human body as it were just another merchandise is at the very least, undesirable. And it's not like being a proffesional football player. There's a lot more things attached to the sexual act than just plain physical exercise, I think that much is obvious.

[Granny5]

:lol: Well, perhaps I'm the slave. A man goes out and must earn the money for the family while my wife stays at home watching TV on the couch. Sounds like institutionalized slavery. :p :p :lol:

shhhh.....don't tell Poppy. He doesn't realize...:lol:

[applepie]

You are so funny. My husband just wishes he could control me. I don't know a lot of married women, maybe 2000 or so, and I don't know anyone who thinks of their marriage as prositution. They'd probably laugh at some silly man or woman who didn't understand what they were talking about if they told them they were engaging in prositution in their marriage. But if you are right, then Poppy owes me a lot of money!! And he just told me that he was so cheap, that if he had to pay for it, he'd just pay himself.

I with you Granny. I think my husband is behind on his payments then:lol: I'm pleased with him at the moment so I guess I will not be pointing this out. On a serious note, to compare marriage to prostitution is offensive, to say the least. I don't for one moment think that I "sold" myself for anything. My marriage is a 50/50 kind of deal, and it isn't right to stereotype all women as money grubbing females. I'll be the first to admit that they are out there, but that isn't the majority.

As for prostitution being right or wrong??? I'm pretty torn there. I generally think that it should be made legal and regulated. To say this would solve all the issues around prostitution would be silly, but it would help. It is more a moral than a legal issue, and that means it is up to someones personal morality. I'm not one to think that it is alright, but my morality isn't the same as the rest of the world. I find it to be disgusting and a sign of low self worth. That said, if someone really wants to prostitute themselves then that is there decision and I'll not stand in there way.


:lol: Well, perhaps I'm the slave. A man goes out and must earn the money for the family while my wife stays at home watching TV on the couch. Sounds like institutionalized slavery. :p :p :lol:

:lol: I'll not let my hubby see this either. He hasn't caught on yet:D He only thinks I stay home watching TV. Then he gets a day with the kids, and he becomes all sympathetic for a week or two:lol:

[Granny5]

Great response, mk. I can't imagine selling something so precious. And I agree that making it legal would not solve all the problems. I think there would still be prositutes out there trying to make a living with the only thing they believe they have worthy to sell. It's tragic.

[jon1jt]

You are so funny. My husband just wishes he could control me. I don't know a lot of married women, maybe 2000 or so, and I don't know anyone who thinks of their marriage as prositution. They'd probably laugh at some silly man or woman who didn't understand what they were talking about if they told them they were engaging in prositution in their marriage. But if you are right, then Poppy owes me a lot of money!! And he just told me that he was so cheap, that if he had to pay for it, he'd just pay himself.


Granny, you tell Poppy that i said for him to stop being cheap and get out his darn wallet and start treating you right! he can start with buying you some fresh flowers, then a nice pair of diamond earrings. you're worth it. :p


Virgil: i call that arrangement you have with your wife, "reverse-prostitution." :D

[Granny5]

jon, I bought myself diamond earrings years ago and I have a garden full of fresh flowers........If he's really good, I'll buy him a new boat, though.

[jon1jt]

Well, for starters, it'd be convenient to consider what is the context of 'wrong' here. If you're asking about the moral (ie religious) conception of it, then your answer lies in the bible. Since the sexual act is an impure act when not within the 'right' conditions, and both subjects become one through it, it's like you're assuming the other persons sins, which in this case is particularly harmful because the other person is a prostitute and thus has a full load of those.

As to the non-moral conception, I think it's multi-lineal, as there are plenty of possible answers. From the 'you're a loser if you need to pay to score' to 'how can you sell yourself like that' and 'if you prostitute yourself it means you have no talent whatsoever'. Obviously, there are many other factors to consider, like if it's legal or not, if it's under reglamentation, if it involves crimes (such as with people underage, unhealthy conditions, restriction of freedom, etc.), if it's done out of necessity, etc.

Given your starting comparisons, I'd say that offering the human body as it were just another merchandise is at the very least, undesirable. And it's not like being a proffesional football player. There's a lot more things attached to the sexual act than just plain physical exercise, I think that much is obvious.

so Crisaor, do you have an opinion about whether prostitution is wrong? :D


jon, I bought myself diamond earrings years ago and I have a garden full of fresh flowers........If he's really good, I'll buy him a new boat, though.

ahem...i like boats. maybe i'll get married after all. to hell with bachelorhood! :D

[Mortis Anarchy]

Prostitution is perhaps old as humanity. But why is it wrong?

Prostituion is offering sexual "intercourse" for money.

How is that different from offering your brain talent for money?
or your physical talent for money eg footballer?

What say you chaps and chapses?

Depends on where you are;) Oh and what your moral beliefs are.

Personally, I think is gross. ewww...

[Granny5]

ahem...i like boats. maybe i'll get married after all. to hell with bachelorhood! :D

You know boats aren't cheap....they must be earned.:lol:

[jon1jt]

You know boats aren't cheap....they must be earned.:lol:


i'm willing to subject myself to 'reverse prostitution' (as defined above) for a new boat that sleeps two. :D

[crisaor]

so Crisaor, do you have an opinion about whether prostitution is wrong? :D
I think you can surmise some of it from what I posted (hint: last parograph). But still, there are many things to consider. If prostitution were legalised, efficiently controlled and regulated, and strictly composed by willing participants whose subsistence was assured by other means, I'd be hard-pressed to find some serious arguments against it, other than maybe personal taste, which should be inconsequential. Anyway, that's a big IF up there.

[Bakiryu]

I wonder why is prostitution illegal, back home 50% of the women are prostitutes. If prostitution where legalized and controlled it would be way better for both the prostitutes and the poor guys who can't get any :D

[jon1jt]

I wonder why is prostitution illegal, back home 50% of the women are prostitutes. If prostitution where legalized and controlled it would be way better for both the prostitutes and the poor guys who can't get any :D

i like the way you think. :D

[TheFifthElement]

Well, that makes no sense. If it's illegal to solicit, illegal to walk the streets, and illegal to run a brothel, in what way is it legal?

If one person pays another person for sex in a private arrangement that is perfectly legal.

[mtpspur]

There is sex and there is love making. I've experienced both and love making beats sex any day of the week. In the proper spirit of love and tenderness it can be richly rewarding for the couple involved. To put a price tag on it cheapens the moment and puts the motives to a low level. I'm by no means pure after all these years but I can at least say I cared about the ladies I've been involved with--they weren't just a notch on the post. Mutual respect and care (and yes with God's blessing is so much better and more meaningful then a cheap or not so cheap 10 minutes.

[jon1jt]

There is sex and there is love making. I've experienced both and love making beats sex any day of the week. In the proper spirit of love and tenderness it can be richly rewarding for the couple involved. To put a price tage on it cheapens the money and puts the motives to a low level. I'm by no means pure after all these years but I can at least say I cared about the ladies I've been involved with--they weren't just a notch on the post. Mutual respect and care (and yes with God's blessing is so much better and more meaningful then a cheap or not so cheap 10 minutes.


hear, hear! :D


oh my. Some of you past posts seem to belie this statemnt.

to quote Alfalfa from the Little Rascals: "I'm sorry Spanky, I have to live my own life." :D

[SleepyWitch]

There is sex and there is love making.
:thumbs_up

I wonder why so many married blokes seek out prostitutes. I mean, what must their marriages be like and why don't they do something about that rather than cheating with a prostitute? Aren't they able to sort out their marriage or are they just lazy?
Does this phenomenon have social/societal reasons or is it just individual?

by the way, CEOs and top managers seem to solicit prostitutes whenever they go on a business trip. The other a German manager was caught embezzling money, which he had spend on prostitutes during business trips.
so are prostitutes just another creature comfort for those guys? :sick:

[Nightshade]

Technically it's legal in Great Britain, it's 'soliciting' which is illegal, i,e, advertising, walking the streets etc. I think running a brothel might be illegal too (not sure about that).


Well, that makes no sense. If it's illegal to solicit, illegal to walk the streets, and illegal to run a brothel, in what way is it legal?


If one person pays another person for sex in a private arrangement that is perfectly legal.

I was going to explain ( stumble upon this law last year while I was researchjing laws for social control for an essay) And my first reactionb was eh? . But yes it is illegal to run or opperate in a brothel and that involes more than on person prostituing under a single roof and 'pimping'.

Also when I was doing my Alevels one of my teacher made us watch a documentry on the legalisation of prostitution ( how many Ts are there in that word:eek:) it was comparing the uk to Holland . And Ive got to say legalisation makes sence fromm a government point of view. point 1 taxes! Plus as a tax payer this actually looks good to me to, I mean why should they get benifits from my taxes when they have an income of their own , do one or the othere. Course alot of prostitues probably arent on benifits either.

2) When people start killing prostitues if there some kind of register then people would cotton on quicker and the murder could be caught quicker.

Course the other side of the story is that legalisation is condoning it and its 'morally' 'ethically' and religiously wrong. Frankly I think all three of those are realtive but whatever. I like to think that ever religious rule has sound reasoning behind it, I belive that of my religion any way, and the reasons that come up here are STDs and HIV and put yourself in a position where you are extremly vunerable.

I guess it all stands on the way you see things.

[Virgil]

If one person pays another person for sex in a private arrangement that is perfectly legal.

So how can such an arrangement occur without a solicitation???? Do they read minds?

[Granny5]

I can see the pros of making it legal everywhere and I understand that there are women in Nevada making more money in a week than most of us make in a year, but I just can't make myself believe that it would be humanly right. We can't live our lives based on how much money we can make.Maybe if a person had no moral upbringing or something. It's wrong for a woman to sell herself. I completely understand how it can happen under certain circumstances, but that doesn't make it right. Nor is it right for a man to
pay for sex. Legal just doesn't make it right.

[manolia]

I always thought that if prostitution was legal, perhaps the amount of rape in a country will drop..has anyone else thought about that? What do you think?

[Granny5]

Rape has nothing to do with sex, it's all about control and rage.

[papayahed]

Rape has nothing to do with sex, it's all about control and rage.

Yeah, I read somewhere that most rapes happen between people who already know each other, I don't have the link though so I may be making that up..but I don't think I am.

[Granny5]

Date rape is a common thing from what I've read, too. But prositution would do no good in reducing the number of rapes that occur. Sex and rape are totally different subjects.

[Scheherazade]

Rape has nothing to do with sex, it's all about control and rage.
Yeah, I read somewhere that most rapes happen between people who already know each other, I don't have the link though so I may be making that up..but I don't think I am.Agree. Many wives are raped by their own husbands. Legalising prostitutuion would not help.

[Lote-Tree]

My my I seems to have opened up a hornets nest here :D

[Bakiryu]

My my I seems to have opened up a hornets nest here :D

You do it on purpose it seems, most radical threads here are yours. Just where are you getting these questions from?!

[Neo_Sephiroth]

Prostitution is perhaps old as humanity. But why is it wrong?

Prostituion is offering sexual "intercourse" for money.

How is that different from offering your brain talent for money?
or your physical talent for money eg footballer?

What say you chaps and chapses?

Hmm...Since you put it like that...I don't see nothing wrong with it. Rape, on the other hand...It...It ain't right, man.

[Nightshade]

Yeah, I read somewhere that most rapes happen between people who already know each other, I don't have the link though so I may be making that up..but I don't think I am.

Yupp did it in my psych class at alevel its about rage and aserting dominance or something like that. One of the reasons serial rapers choose 'a type' its to do with that person symbolising whoever they are really mad at.

[papayahed]

My my I seems to have opened up a hornets nest here :D

Wasn't that the intent?

[Lote-Tree]

You do it on purpose it seems, most radical threads here are yours.


Radical LOL :D nothing of the sort...the Thought-Provoking perhaps ;-)



Just where are you getting these questions from?!

Where do you get yours from? :D

[Bakiryu]

Where do you get yours from? :D

You. :lol: I kept reading and posting in these threads and everytime I read something or other I come up with new ideas :D

[Lote-Tree]

Hmm...Since you put it like that...I don't see nothing wrong with it. Rape, on the other hand...It...It ain't right, man.

Yes man rape is totally wrong. But we are talking about prostitution man...sex for money man...is it same as brain talent for money man? :D

[Bakiryu]

If prostitution was legalized would that help lower rape statistics or would they still stay as they were?

[Lote-Tree]

Wasn't that the intent?

Nay papy. Intent was for Intellecutal and amusing convos :D

[barbara0207]

I don't think it would make a big difference. In many countries prostitution is legal (at least to a certain extent) and there is still rape.

That is due to the difference of motives. The man who visits a prostitute just wants sex. But rape is not really about sex - in most cases. As far as I know it is more about power. Rapists mostly want to enjoy the power they have over the victim, want to see her feel pain, feel helpless and ashamed, want to hear her cry out and suffer. (Hence the numerous rapes by victorious soldiers.)

[Nightshade]

If prostitution was legalized would that help lower rape statistics or would they still stay as they were?

Ive merged the threads as they are pretty much the same subject.

[AimusSage]

Prostitution is simply a matter of supply and demand. There is quite some demand for this service, but as with all services where supply cannot meet the demand, which can happen for many reasons (including it being illegal), shady people step in and either drive prizes up, or increase supply through not so friendly(legal) ways. Thus we can conclude that when prostitution is illegal, it increases crime overall.

Sometimes a product or service is illegal because it itself is a cause of crime. Prostitution seems unlikely to be a cause for crime. It is likely the provided service has a calming effect on the customer.

There is a lot more to it, but for me legal prostitution is better than illegal prostitiution.

Yes rape is a terrible crime. But no, to me rape is completely unrelated to the actual service provided by prostitution. Rape has little to do with sexual acts themself, it has often more to do with frustrations and mental instability in the perpetrator, than the actual need for sex. That is not to say there is no rape in prostitution, but by keeping it illegal, it will be easier for a rapist to get away with it.

Blablabla, I could go on forever, but I have better things to do than talk about this. :)

[Lote-Tree]

You. :lol: I kept reading and posting in these threads and everytime I read something or other I come up with new ideas :D

Glad to be of help :D

[Neo_Sephiroth]

Yes man rape is totally wrong. But we are talking about prostitution man...sex for money man...is it same as brain talent for money man? :D

Right, right...Yup. Sex for money is the same as brain talent for money.:D

By the way, you're suppose to put a comma before "man"

Like this...

Dude!!! That is whack, MAN!!!

[jon1jt]

:thumbs_up

I wonder why so many married blokes seek out prostitutes. I mean, what must their marriages be like and why don't they do something about that rather than cheating with a prostitute? Aren't they able to sort out their marriage or are they just lazy?

there might not be anything particularly wrong 'in' the marriage. the only thing that's wrong often is this notion of "sorting out" what cannot be. human fulfillment requires more, and that something requires what spouses are incapable of giving, for they'd first need to see.



:Does this phenomenon have social/societal reasons or is it just individual?

why do wolves howl at the moon? :D

[jon1jt]

My my I seems to have opened up a hornets nest here :D

buzz. :D

[Granny5]

why do wolves howl at the moon? :D

What does that mean? All men, well real men anyway, don't use prositutes.
And for that, I'm glad. Sex with a prositute is adultry just like sex with any other person is.

[Bakiryu]

What does that mean? All men, well real men anyway, don't use prositutes.


Well, what about men who can't get a real woman? are they supposed to just download stuff of the internet or subscribe to playboy without trying the real thing?

[jon1jt]

All men, well real men anyway, don't use prositutes.


Would Hugh Grant or Jim Bakker count as "real men?" :D


What does that mean?

wolves howl because they can. :D


Well, what about men who can't get a real woman? are they supposed to just download stuff of the internet or subscribe to playboy without trying the real thing?

the religious have no compassion. :D

[Granny5]

Would Hugh Grant or Jim Bakker count as "real men?" :D

:lol: :lol: Jim Bakker!!! Well no. I don't consider his a real man. I don't even consider him real.:lol: :lol:
Hugh Grant? Don't know but it's kinda perverted for him to use a prositute
considering who his girlfriend was at the time. I can't believe he couldn't get a bj without paying for it.

wolves howl because they can. :D
I don't believe that the majority of men use prositutes "because they can" I figure that the type of man that would pay for it are men who can't attract a female without paying or men who live with their mother and can't bring a girl home. (Jim Bakker....so funny.:lol: :lol::lol: )


the religious have no compassion. :D
You are kidding?

[jon1jt]

:D
You are kidding?

i was only kidding about the wolves.:D actually i think wolves howl at the moon because they hunger, as do men.

c'mon granny, let's face it, not all men who sleep around with prostitutes are the kind you describe. what about married men who don't want to complicate their lives and yet crave spicing it up some? (married women are just as miserable as men. they're just tougher. :p ) and prostitutes are in business because it's variety those sort of men crave. why deny men such a simple pleasure? i tell you, it's the religious in this country that have no compassion. :D

[Granny5]

:D

i was only kidding about the wolves.:D actually i think wolves howl at the moon because they hunger, as do men.

c'mon granny, let's face it, not all men who sleep around with prostitutes are the kind you describe. what about married men who don't want to complicate their lives and yet crave spicing it up some? (married women are just as miserable as men. they're just tougher. :p ) and prostitutes are in business because it's variety those sort of men crave. why deny men such a simple pleasure? i tell you, it's the religious in this country that have no compassion. :D

I think you've read too many bad stories. "Most" married men don't use prositutes. Most married women, in this day and age anyway, wouldn't put up with such action from their husbands if they knew about them going to a prositute. It's adultry and that's just all there is to it. I know that some men do but not men who are committed to their relationship with their wife and family. And a smart man would consider that the 10 or 15 mins of sex with someone who's been with God knows how many men could/would cost them the life they have built with their family. I just can't see how it would be worth it to anyone with something to lose. ( I hope you were kidding about Jim Bakker being a real man, too!)

[jon1jt]

I think you've read too many bad stories. "Most" married men don't use prositutes.

of course not, that's because they're too busy doing their married female co-workers. :lol:


Most married women, in this day and age anyway, wouldn't put up with such action from their husbands if they knew about them going to a prositute.

sure they would. i mentioned in another thread how on Oprah the married women participating on the show told their husbands that they found their advances repulsive and didn't mind if they went out and got some lovin' elsewhere. all the husbands sulked, and one wept like a little girl. ugh.



It's adultry and that's just all there is to it.

that never stopped those important men in the Old Testament now did it? :lol:


I know that some men do but not men who are committed to their relationship with their wife and family.

food for thought:
can it ever be possible to be "uncommitted" in one's marriage and yet a good husband/wife and parent?


And a smart man would consider that the 10 or 15 mins of sex with someone who's been with God knows how many men could/would cost them the life they have built with their family.

or, a smart man might also consider that there is no God and only love. ;)


I just can't see how it would be worth it to anyone with something to lose. ( I hope you were kidding about Jim Bakker being a real man, too!)

oh yeah i was definitely only kidding about Jim Bakker. :D

[Granny5]

Well, that makes me feel better. And no, you can't be a good spouse and be uncommitted. Maybe a good parent, but not a good husband or wife.

[jon1jt]

Well, that makes me feel better. And no, you can't be a good spouse and be uncommitted. Maybe a good parent, but not a good husband or wife.


i'm just curious, how do you define a "good" husband, a "good" wife, besides the law of being what judeo-christians call, "faithful?" what else is required to live up to that standard of goodness?

[SleepyWitch]

wolves don't care about the moon. they howl to communicate with other wolves/packs. sometimes the moon happens to be around, but they do it just the same when it isn't. they throw their heads back because it amplifies the sound. *geek* :) saw it on a documentary the other day....


anyway, I wouldn't be so sure hardly any men see prostitutes.
when there was the football (soccer) worldcup in my country last year, they built little booths for the prostitutes to work in near the stadiums. they expected thousands of men to make use of this offer, judging from experience with big football events.
so for these guys prostitutes seem to be just another item on the inventory of a well-rounded football experience, like beer or cigarettes :sick:
well, of course, some football fans are really crude and gross, and not representative of the population as a whole, but still there seem to be thousands and millions of the type that visits prostitutes.

[Granny5]

Well, a good husband/wife is one who loves the other, is best friends, has the welfare of the other in mind when making decisions about life, considers the feeling of the other, is able to put up with the negatives in order to benefit from the postives, is committed to the relationship and works to make it work and keep working, is faithful, true, loyal, thrifty, clean, kind, reverant, I don't know. Too many things to list.

[Madhuri]

Prostituion is offering sexual "intercourse" for money.

How is that different from offering your brain talent for money?
or your physical talent for money eg footballer?

What say you chaps and chapses?

What's the 'talent' part involved in being a prostitute? They just offer their bodies to the clients. The only 'talent' part can be the way they attract the customers, because delivering the services will be the same for any prostitute. And, how well you attract the customers does require some brains.

It's just like any other industry. How well they market themselves. What extra services they provide. How good is after sales, etc.

It can be taken as different in the sense that a football player or the person offering the brain talent is giving the actual / real part for money. It does not involve any thing peripheral. And, that is the differentiating factor between the services offered by a prostitute and a person from any other industry.

Whatever I have written, does that make sense?

[jon1jt]

Well, a good husband/wife is one who loves the other, is best friends, has the welfare of the other in mind when making decisions about life, considers the feeling of the other, is able to put up with the negatives in order to benefit from the postives, is committed to the relationship and works to make it work and keep working...

reading this part of your comment you seem to be advocating my position. :p if the spouse is to be serious about "the feelings of the other, is able to put up with the negatives," then if one of them wants to spend some time with somebody else--a prostitute, lover, whomever, the other would respect that for the greater good of the relationship, not some self-serving drive of dominance over the other.

[Lote-Tree]

Ah Madhuri I have not seen you engage in a debate before :D

Let see:


What's the 'talent' part involved in being a prostitute? They just offer their bodies to the clients. The only 'talent' part can be the way they attract the customers, because delivering the services will be the same for any prostitute.


Some deliver the services really well and therefore men go to them again and again?

You are from the Land of the Kamasutra and therefore you should know the limits or unlimitedness of those services :D

But all men are after perhaps is a good lay :D

[jon1jt]

wolves don't care about the moon. they howl to communicate with other wolves/packs. sometimes the moon happens to be around, but they do it just the same when it isn't. they throw their heads back because it amplifies the sound. *geek* :) saw it on a documentary the other day....


anyway, I wouldn't be so sure hardly any men see prostitutes.
when there was the football (soccer) worldcup in my country last year, they built little booths for the prostitutes to work in near the stadiums. they expected thousands of men to make use of this offer, judging from experience with big football events.
so for these guys prostitutes seem to be just another item on the inventory of a well-rounded football experience, like beer or cigarettes :sick:
well, of course, some football fans are really crude and gross, and not representative of the population as a whole, but still there seem to be thousands and millions of the type that visits prostitutes.

Ow, ow, oowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww! cool wolfy info. :p


But all men are after perhaps is a good lay :D


alas, a member who speaks truth! hear, hear! :lol:

[Lote-Tree]

alas, a member who speaks truth! hear, hear! :lol:

I always speak to the truth ;-) :D

Sex is a need of the body. Love is the need of the soul.

[motherhubbard]

But all men are after perhaps is a good lay :D

You know, Lote- women like a good lay just as well as the next fellow! Women just generally don't have to use prostitutes. Don't get me wrong, I know that some women may require more emotional involvement than some men, but men don't hold the market on just wanting to have sex.

[Lote-Tree]

You know, Lote- women like a good lay just as well as the next fellow! Women just generally don't have to use prostitutes. Don't get me wrong, I know that some women may require more emotional involvement than some men, but men don't hold the market on just wanting to have sex.

I would say and I have said before I think that both men and women like a good lay. It is just that women's sexuality have been supressed by men for thousands of years. It is only recently that they had the freedom to explore their sexuality.

Do think that men can have sex without any emotions involved and women can't?

[Madhuri]

Ah Madhuri I have not seen you engage in a debate before :D

Perhaps, I am in one of those rare moods, where once in a while I take a break from being silly :p


Some deliver the services really well and therefore men go to them again and again?

If I see it from only a business perspective, then there is no difference, because a prostitute that can deliver the services well is in a way using intelligence and that means offering brain talent as well.

Then the only differentiating factor will be the moral / ethical issues involved in this profession.


You are from the Land of the Kamasutra and therefore you should know the limits or unlimitedness of those services :D

Yes I am. But, Kamasutra defines the art of 'love making' not how to become a prostitute. Also, the limitedness / unlimitedness depends upon the intent of the person offering the services.

[motherhubbard]

Do think that men can have sex without any emotions involved and women can't?

I think we are both capable of behavior based solely on physical desire :p

[Lote-Tree]

Perhaps, I am in one of those rare moods, where once in a while I take a break from being silly :p


Bueno! Hope to see you more taking break from being "silly" :D



If I see it from only a business perspective, then there is no difference, because a prostitute that can deliver the services well is in a way using intelligence and that means offering brain talent as well.


Yes. And in the olden times it was indeed very respected business?



Then the only differentiating factor will be the moral / ethical issues involved in this profession.


Yes.

But why is it ethical to sell your brain talents for money and not your sex talents?



Yes I am. But, Kamasutra defines the art of 'love making' not how to become a prostitute.


And a good prostitute would indeed have to ba master of love making?



Also, the limitedness / unlimitedness depends upon the intent of the person offering the services.

A person have to indeed to very skilled to offer those services don't you think?


I think we are both capable of behavior based solely on physical desire :p

I would like to think so too...

[Granny5]

reading this part of your comment you seem to be advocating my position. :p if the spouse is to be serious about "the feelings of the other, is able to put up with the negatives," then if one of them wants to spend some time with somebody else--a prostitute, lover, whomever, the other would respect that for the greater good of the relationship, not some self-serving drive of dominance over the other.

How could being with a prositute be for the greater good of the relationship?
Screwing around and visiting prositutes is supposed to make the marriage stronger? Do you know anything other than what you've read in books about marriage? Get Real.
You know, Jon, I really think you're just being silly to get to me. Decent men do not go to prositutes. Period, nothing further. I can't believe you really believe some of your bull...you seem way too intelligent for that. Thanks for the conversation.

[Virgil]

Screwing around and visiting prositutes is supposed to make the marriage stronger? Do you know anything other than what you've read in books about marriage? Get Real.


:lol: :lol: I forget the topic, but I think I once said something like that to Jon myself. ;)

[Granny5]

I think he's just trying to get to me. No one can be that silly, can they?

[Virgil]

I think he's just trying to get to me. No one can be that silly, can they?

I'll let Jon answer that. ;)

[Nightshade]

Hey people remember be nice!
:D :nod:

I just have a q though how can visting a prostitute not be adultury? of course it is. Adultury is extramarital sex end of story. At least I always thought so.

[Bakiryu]

Women just generally don't have to use prostitutes.

I know several male prostitutes who grew up near where I used to live, also when a man sleeps with a rich woman for her money, isn't that a form of prostitution?

[Madhuri]

Yes. And in the olden times it was indeed very respected business?

I don't think so, being a prostitute was never considered a respectable profession. It was then also carried out in hiding and in todays time as well. In olden days there used to be courteseans (sp?), and they were respected for the entertainment they provided by their singing and dancing. Later they may have ventured into this business for whatever reasons (too much competition, or people no more liking their dance performances etc, lack of performance opportunities), they had to earn a living and perhaps this was the only option available to them.


Yes.
But why is it ethical to sell your brain talents for money and not your sex talents?

It's not ethical because the whole idea of this profession negates or defies the concept of marriage. Such an act is supposed to be between two people for their entire lives, and for love; it's not supposed to be for money. It works against the institution of marriage, that is what makes it immoral.


And a good prostitute would indeed have to ba master of love making?

That book will be their bible. But, when I said love it meant in a good sense. The book also referes to the act in a good way and not as what is offered as a service for money.

I know the title of your next thread -- What's good or bad love? :p


A person have to indeed to very skilled to offer those services don't you think?


Well, I thought by limits you meant the extent to which a person would like to go. If you are saying that limits are dependent upon the skills the person has, then whether the person has skills or no the maximum limit would already have been reached. There is nothing beyond having offered the body (with or without skills), and once that is done, there can be nothing less than that, isn't it?

[Lote-Tree]

I don't think so, being a prostitute was never considered a respectable profession.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courtesan



It's not ethical because the whole idea of this profession negates or defies the concept of marriage.


How so? Sex is not marriage is it? If so then concept of marriage is very limited.



I know the title of your next thread -- What's good or bad love? :p


Am I that predictable Madhuri? :D



Well, I thought by limits you meant the extent to which a person would like to go. If you are saying that limits are dependent upon the skills the person has, then whether the person has skills or no the maximum limit would already have been reached. There is nothing beyond having offered the body (with or without skills), and once that is done, there can be nothing less than that, isn't it?

Body offered on it's own does not make a good prostitute. It is how the body interacts with another that determines how good it is...it can interact with skill thus more pleasurable...or it can interact with clumsiness and less pleasurable?

[NikolaiI]

Yes, that's true, masoose (spelling?) is one example.

[jon1jt]

How could being with a prositute be for the greater good of the relationship?
Screwing around and visiting prositutes is supposed to make the marriage stronger? Do you know anything other than what you've read in books about marriage? Get Real.
You know, Jon, I really think you're just being silly to get to me. Decent men do not go to prositutes. Period, nothing further. I can't believe you really believe some of your bull...you seem way too intelligent for that. Thanks for the conversation.


:lol: :lol: i'm not being silly to get to you, i swear! :lol: hey i'm not promoting my ideas as a lifestyle or saying that i necessarily live this way. i simply recognize prostitute's rightful function in society. to rid society of prostitution would be the equivalent of taking away The Mall from women. :D you wouldn't want to do that to men now, would you granny? :D


I forget the topic, but I think I once said something like that to Jon myself;)

:lol: yes you have, several times, actually. :lol:

[Granny5]

Taking the mall away would mean nothing to me. I hate going to a Mall. Now Wal-Mart and Sams and Target..that I wouldn't wish on anyone.

[SleepyWitch]

over here, we don't really have malls (or only a few of them) but women survive somehow.

[jon1jt]

over here, we don't really have malls (or only a few of them) but women survive somehow.


ah, so that's where all the real women live! :banana:

[manolia]

Rape has nothing to do with sex, it's all about control and rage.


Yeah, I read somewhere that most rapes happen between people who already know each other, I don't have the link though so I may be making that up..but I don't think I am.

Yes i have heard that, too. But do all the rapists share the same profile? I am just wondering, if some of them were given the alternative, would they choose "rape"?

How about sexually spread diseases? By legalising prostitution and checking on prostitutes (i mean the health department of the country would ;) ) could we somehow control the spreading of AIDS etc?
Of course even if we legalised prostitution, there would still be a considerable amount of illegal prostitutes as well and in order to fix that each country should take drastic meassures and yes i don't want to go down that road, because politics would get involved in the conversasion :D

[Demian]

In certain respects marriage can be viewed as legalized prostitution. Especially in it's older versions (which is still practiced in many countries) in which a man gives a large dowry to the father of a much younger girl-who's often still a child.

[SleepyWitch]

In certain respects marriage can be viewed as legalized prostitution. Especially in it's older versions (which is still practiced in many countries) in which a man gives a large dowry to the father of a much younger girl-who's often still a child.

do you mean Utah? :D *joking* mods don't kill me, please


Body offered on it's own does not make a good prostitute. It is how the body interacts with another that determines how good it is...it can interact with skill thus more pleasurable...or it can interact with clumsiness and less pleasurable?
are you sure prostitute's customers are interested in skill? I mean, I don't know, but I imagine they go for "kinky" things but other than that it will be very mechanical?

[Lote-Tree]

are you sure prostitute's customers are interested in skill? I mean, I don't know, but I imagine they go for "kinky" things but other than that it will be very mechanical?

Have you read the book "A Fine Balance" by the Indian Author Rohinton Mistry? There is mention of a "Hydraulic Hema". Very skilled at...you guess...?

edit: Hema - a name of a women.

[Madhuri]

How so? Sex is not marriage is it? If so then concept of marriage is very limited.

Ofcourse marriage is much more that just the physical relation. But, one can't deny that it is a very important aspect too. When people get married they are taking a pledge to be faithful and be committed to each other for life. Now, those that have strong morals will never venture out, but some who think they can escape from the responsibility will definitely do so. Infidelity is one of the reasons why marriages break up. The presence of this industry gives such people a choice to become unfaithful. Don't you think that's immoral (a nature of this industry)?

Well, it can always be argued that the prostitutes don't go to men, it's them coming to such women (I am not sure of it, though). But, they have to earn a living too, so, if they don't attract men (commited or otherwise), how will they earn their bread and butter? And, such women earning their living by being in this profession also works against the institution of commited relations (whether they like it or not or whether it's affecting it in an explicit or implicit way). Don't you think that's wrong?

So long as there are women on this planet they will be needed as mothers, wives, sisters, and then there will be such women too. One will have to deal with the good and the bad aspects.



Am I that predictable Madhuri? :D

There will soon be a thread by you that revolves around love. I know that :rolleyes: :p



Body offered on it's own does not make a good prostitute. It is how the body interacts with another that determines how good it is...it can interact with skill thus more pleasurable...or it can interact with clumsiness and less pleasurable?

I will go with what Sleepy has mentioned on this.

Hey, what about Hema reference in that book? I have read that book, but it was a few years back, so I don't recall any mention of Hema in the book? What about her?

[Lote-Tree]

But, one can't deny that it is a very important aspect too.


Why should this be? It is only a bodily need?



When people get married they are taking a pledge to be faithful and be committed to each other for life.


Yes. Commited for each for life. Yes. But what of bodily need? If the bodily need is not met? Life of celibacy? Divorce?



Now, those that have strong morals will never venture out, but some who think they can escape from the responsibility will definitely do so. Infidelity is one of the reasons why marriages break up.


Perhaps it is about time to separate Sex and love altoghether? Love being the thing that binds the two individuals instead of sex?



The presence of this industry gives such people a choice to become unfaithful. Don't you think that's immoral (a nature of this industry)?


But if sex was divorced from love then this problem would not arise?



And, such women earning their living by being in this profession also works against the institution of commited relations


Perhaps committed relationship should be reinvented - one that has love instead of sexual binding?



There will soon be a thread by you that revolves around love. I know that :rolleyes: :p


I am sorry to hear that I have become so predictable :-(



Hey, what about Hema reference in that book? I have read that book, but it was a few years back, so I don't recall any mention of Hema in the book? What about her?

She was a prostitute in the book. Her clients gave the name of "hydraulic Hema" in the way she performed certain actions...

[Granny5]

Why should this be? It is only a bodily need?



Yes. Commited for each for life. Yes. But what of bodily need? If the bodily need is not met? Life of celibacy? Divorce?



Perhaps it is about time to separate Sex and love altoghether? Love being the thing that binds the two individuals instead of sex?



But if sex was divorced from love then this problem would not arise?



Perhaps committed relationship should be reinvented - one that has love instead of sexual binding?



I am sorry to hear that I have become so predictable :-(



She was a prostitute in the book. Her clients gave the name of "hydraulic Hema" in the way she performed certain actions...

I don't think it's possible to separate love from sex in a marriage. It's part of growing closer and becoming as one. When one is committed to the other, their physical needs are considered and met. But marriage isn't all about sex and I don't believe that men or women truely need sex to be happy. If you are with your true love, time together in whatever form is what matters most.

[Lote-Tree]

But marriage isn't all about sex and I don't believe that men or women truely need sex to be happy.


Gran I believe so too!

[SleepyWitch]

Infidelity is one of the reasons why marriages break up. The presence of this industry gives such people a choice to become unfaithful. Don't you think that's immoral (a nature of this industry)?
psychologists say its the other way round, a broken up marriage is the reason for infidelity. lots of times, the marriage actually begins to break up long before the partners notice. some signs of this are when one of the partners b*tches about the other with friends rather than discussing their problems with the partner. once they are ready to cheat, they are psychologically divorced already even though they are still formally married. infidelity then becomes the trigger for the actual divorce, but it doesn't need to be its root cause.


why should this be? It is only a bodily need?
nope, but do you think those men realize that?