Emo.

[Bakiryu]

Just recently the schools have been invaded by some sort of emo-darkwave. Kids pretend to be emo. Dress all in black, listen to emo music (some of it really whiny and painful) and cut themselves. As a trend.

There are real emos of course, but now is mainly a way to get attention.

My question is "What brought this on?" "Why are teens doing this?"

Why is it cool to be emo?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emo_%28slang%29

http://www.gurl.com/findout/label/pages/0,,673303,00.html

(and this thread will probably die but what do you think?)


Here are pics:

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u167/cochran_47/emo-3.gif

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u116/allangelsbleed/1246111899_l.jpg

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z284/rovelynn_08/emoz.jpg

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u266/patty_ch/emo.jpg

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u221/Neilroar/emo.jpg

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u73/silence_is_me/emo.jpg




http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u177/tankstud82/pic4524.jpg

[papayahed]

Is emo the same as goth?

[Bakiryu]

eh. no. Imagine goth but less gothic. With guys that look like girls.

(Don't ever say that in a public school papaya or they'll probably kill you :lol:)

[papayahed]

eh. no. Imagine goth but less gothic. With guys that look like girls.

(Don't ever say that in a public school papaya or they'll probably kill you :lol:)

But goth guys looked like girls.:( I'm so confused.

[Bakiryu]

Ok.

Goths: like death, decay, goth rock, eyeliner, hardcore

Emo: want to kill themselves, wear really tight clothes, listen to alternative music. Imagine: Gerard Way, Pete WentZ. (OOH, AND THEY LOVE CATCHER IN THE RYE!)

[JBI]

The music justs sucks. I can't listen to it; if they can put up with that, then I guess they really do hate themselves.

[Bakiryu]

The music justs sucks. I can't listen to it; if they can put up with that, then I guess they really do hate themselves.

Are you aware you just insulted over ten thousand people including me? The music like all music, is varied. Some is whiny, annoying crap no one can listen to (like the band SCARY KIDS SCARING KIDS) and some is actually good (like HIM or Amber Pacific.)

[Nightshade]

Ok.

Goths: like death, decay, goth rock, eyeliner, hardcore



My sister would take offence at that. In fact I belive her rant usually goes thats the steryotyped goth wannabees Fakegoths.

True goths are ome of the nicest people you can meet. But personally havig lived with 2 of them who went through that stage in my house yes to the eyeliner and the screaming yelling hardcore metal and rock.

[manolia]

This definition (in one of the links provided by Bakiryu) helped a lot:


"emo is like being Goth, but much less dark, much more Harry Potter." -- marni

[Mark F.]

Ok.

Goths: like death, decay, goth rock, eyeliner, hardcore

Emo: want to kill themselves, wear really tight clothes, listen to alternative music. Imagine: Gerard Way, Pete WentZ. (OOH, AND THEY LOVE CATCHER IN THE RYE!)

If all emo's could actually really kill themselves, that would sort that out wouldn't it?

More seriously, how can you pretend to be emo? Emo is pretense at its highest isn't it? It's supposed to mean emotional so I guess we're all emo unless we're devoid of emotions.

As for goths, it seems like there are only fakegoths or goth wannabes or whatever. Grow up kids, stop trying to be something you're not and be yourselves.

Emo trend/Converse trend, it's all the same to me.

[Elly_blue]

I really have nothing against goths or emo's, I mean, it's great to see so many different styles.
I've also tried out various styles of music and clothes when I was younger, untill I found something that represented who I am. It's just about discovering who you are, what you like and where you belong. Nothing wrong with that..

[dramasnot6]

Stereotypes are stereotypes. Teenagers have always been insecure and self-destructive, they like to look for labels and groups to belong to, and they often like to be "miserable". Emo,goth, every type of teenage stereotype kids like to identify with is just an outlet for teen angst.

[Mark F.]

I really have nothing against goths or emo's, I mean, it's great to see so many different styles.
I've also tried out various styles of music and clothes when I was younger, untill I found something that represented who I am. It's just about discovering who you are, what you like and where you belong. Nothing wrong with that..

You can't discover who you are by trying to fit into a mold.

[papayahed]

You can't discover who you are by trying to fit into a mold.

I think at that point in time your trying to belong to a group and fit in rather then find yourself.

[Nightshade]

I think at that point in time your trying to belong to a group and fit in rather then find yourself.

Just coz Im bored and want o sound smart:

This thread would be an ideal example of Taj et als in group out group theory. blah blah blah. People use clothees and manners to help identify themselves with and within a group. blah blah blah...I really am bored. :p


What I dont understand is why we dont like emos? I get why we dont like Chavs alright but the emos and goths seem to be alright...hey who doesnt like dressing up.?

I rembered just now when I asked what is emo my sisters answered " people who say things like "life is a sad song"".

But you know if I had the guts Id be like this girl...http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=g6QM8U5ruoo

but Id go really mad and where period costume to work.... probably the dresses from the new covers of the Elizabeth Chadwick novels ( I just looove the dresses and they are all long sleeved and most high collared, maybe I could satrt a trend *sigh* )

heres a couple http://www.elizabethchadwick.com/covers/conquestnew.jpg
And my fav- http://www.elizabethchadwick.com/covers/conquestnew.jpg

Now these are books I judge by their covers...Ive only ever borrowed them to stare at the covers for hours going I WANT that dress. :rolleyes:

[SleepyWitch]

what are Chavs, nighty? townies?

over here loads of teenagers dress like emos (tight trousers and those horrible grandpa carpet slippers brrrrrrrrrrr) but I don't think it means they are emos. at the moment all the clothes you can buy at the chain fashion stores like H&M, NewYorker etc look emo-ish (even though they come in colours, not only black and white). i suppose lots of kids just follow the latest fashion trends and don't really identify with one group or another

[Nightshade]

yes my sister wheres skinny jeans but is not an emo-- wait Ill ask her She says ' Im not even going to bother ' explaining emos that is :(

Chavs are umm like thugs skinheads I think my mum said they used to be called back in her days...scary people lots of bling, hoodies, trakies and they always move in packs or gangs.

And I have to work fair night :bawling: ah well if they come in Ill do what I did last time I got scared by some customers sit under the desk till they leave.

wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chav

actually thats entry is slightly wrong scallys no longer exsist now we just call them chavs. And they were always less hardcore and mean then chavs

But I will say this when they are away from other large groups they are ok Ive even met some really nice scallies but on mass? :cold:

[papayahed]

And I have to work fair night :bawling: ah well if they come in Ill do what I did last time I got scared by some customers sit under the desk till they leave.


No you didn't??:lol:

[Nightshade]

Well it was this wierdo who would come up to me... obviously by far the youngest person there and ask for 'adult' books then when I did find them go on this long tangent on how they werent good enough and he wanted the one you get from the'adult' store only he couldnt afford it etc etc etc.
then it was 'gay' books and then there was the thing with the book about little boys and frankly the guy freaked me out.
Later we had an 'incedent' the police got involved and what do you know but theyd already had their eye on the guy.

Then their was the wierdo who wouldnt stop staring at me and then Followed me in the car as I walked home and offered me a lift.... (what I should have said was I know Im young but do I look that stupid?!) unfortyunatly I was wearing heels and a rather narrow skirt but I hiked it up and ran for dear life and hid in the health food shop till I was sure hed gone.

[stephofthenight]

you have always had your emo's adam and andrews song "emo kid" realy kicked it off, along with hott topic branching out.

[stephofthenight]

the "emo" group as you so nicely labled us at my school, are a bunch of people messed up in the head, on meds, becasue there parents are jerks. thats one of the main diffrences, goths have no reason, emo;s normaly have lots of pain in there life and they become acustom to it, therforth to remind themselfs there alive they cut, becuase blood means your still alive and not just some ghost fading out of the world. ill blog more on this later.

[Nightshade]

Ok..... I see
Actually from my experiance most group names are just away of putting people down...Im mean I dont think Ive met that many horrible people in my life and I was something of a bully magnet.

[applepie]

I think it becomes like all other trends. It starts out as a fringe group. Only people that are really into the whole philosophy are part of it. Then you get the people who have no defined group. They try it on just looking for a place to belong. Finally, the group grows in size and everyone starts to see people dressed in such a way. Suddenly, it is now trendy and cool to dress in such a manner and everyone jumps on the bandwagon. Then the original philosophy is ruined, and what started out as a fringe group ha become a mainstream trend. Something else just takes its place and the cycle starts again. I don't really get the whole Emo thing, it started after I finished highschool, but I do remember it becoming trendy to be goth while I was in school. Emo was probably just starting when I was leaving.

[Bakiryu]

the "emo" group as you so nicely labeled us

Uh, me?


the "emo" group as you so nicely labeled, us at my school, are a bunch of people messed up in the head, on meds, because there parents are jerks. thats one of the main differences, Goths have no reason, emo's normally have lots of pain in there life and they become accustom to it, therefore to remind themselves there alive they cut, because blood means your still alive and not just some ghost fading out of the world. ill blog more on this later.

There are few emo kids in my school. Everybody just left. I think I'm the only emo girl and the other are just wannabe preps.

[toni]

I really have nothing against goths or emo's, I mean, it's great to see so many different styles.
I've also tried out various styles of music and clothes when I was younger, untill I found something that represented who I am. It's just about discovering who you are, what you like and where you belong. Nothing wrong with that..

exactly. goth/emo clothes are fun to experiment with..and I am having fun wit the eyeliner thingy and black nailpolish. friends call me "emo-punk" but I i like teh term "goth" better. its classy. haha



True goths are one of the nicest people you can meet.
Yay! That's me, Im goth because I look like one, but I am not the I-Wanna-slit-My-Wrists kind. We're really nice!


But personally havig lived with 2 of them who went through that stage in my house yes to the eyeliner and the screaming yelling hardcore metal and rock.

~woot~ sounds like me! rock on.:thumbs_up

[Bakiryu]

exactly. goth/emo clothes are fun to experiment with..and I am having fun wit the eyeliner thingy and black nailpolish. friends call me "emo-punk" but I i like teh term "goth" better. its classy. haha


*Imagines Toni dressed as a goth* Nosebleed! :lol:

(I saw your pic in the other thread)

[toni]

:lol: :lol: :lol: I should take a photo of myself then!

[CrazyDiamond]

I always thought that being Emo was fitting in with the "scene". What happened to originality? At the end of the day, dressing the same, doing the same, and saying the same things as your friends is just another example of conformity.

"I'd rather be hated for who i am, than loved for who I am not."

Kurt Cobain - He was a wise guy.

Peace out!!

[Bakiryu]

I always thought that being Emo was fitting in with the "scene". What happened to originality? At the end of the day, dressing the same, doing the same, and saying the same things as your friends is just another example of conformity.

"I'd rather be hated for who i am, than loved for who I am not."

Kurt Cobain - He was a wise guy.

Peace out!!


Being emo is not about the scene. I don't even dress like everyone else! (although Black it's a nice AND slimming color)

Kurt Cobain was indeed wise and cute too!


(This is just funny making fun of the emo trend: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZTlOEncqQ0 )

[CrazyDiamond]

Being emo is not about the scene. I don't even dress like everyone else! (although Black it's a nice AND slimming color)

Kurt Cobain was indeed wise and cute too!


(This is just funny making fun of the emo trend: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZTlOEncqQ0 )

Yeah, im not saying that you personally dress like everyone else, im saying that all the "emo" kids at my school are following a scene.

Black is my favourite colour too, and it dosn't make anyone emo at all! What i dislike though, is when "emo's" claim to be their own person, when, in fact, they look exactly like everyone else. It seems the only way to be original is to be unoriginal =/

Yeah, Kurt's the man =) <3 Him!!!

[EAP]

emo girls can be fairly cute.

[the silent x]

i think most of the kids in school that dress emo, act emo, and listen to emo are just trying to get attention.(sarcastically) "oh no, my life is so hard cause i live in a house and i don't work but i am super depressed and can't stop cutting myself so i am going ot force all of my problems on you so you have to sit and listen to me rant and rave about how bad my life is when really, all i am is a spoiled brat who wants attention."

the true emo's who are depressed and have things like depression, i don't think they are the ones who will come out and start whining and stuff to you. they will try to hide it as much as they can and will save it for when their parents find out and they have to talk to a counselor.

my way of identifying people with problems such as depression is to try to see how normal they are being. everybody has some craziness in their personality. if they are being too normal, too cool, too anything, then they are covering something up.

this is just what i think and has no basis in fact

(no offense to you bakiryu, i haven't personally met you to know which type you are, i didn't even know you were emo, i just thought you were an anime nut. i believe there's a difference

funny thing happened today on my first day of school.
i have a lot of cuts on my arm from carrying these pieces of aluminum that can go through skin like a hot knife through butter, and i was also grinding metal atm my work so my entire fore arm is covered in shallow cuts. i forgot about them and wore a t-shirt to school. everyone gave me really bad looks and an emo group (several emos, couple guys, couple girls) walked up and put a hand on my shoulder and said, "if you want to talk about it, we here for ya" then proceeded to follow me around all day. then i went to my couselor to talk about colleges and when i should apply, yadda, yadda. the minuite i walk in, he says in a serious tone, "anything been bad in your family?" then he gestures toward my arms. i finally figure it out and tell him the whole story. he doesn't believe it until he calls my dad to confirm my story.

[Lily Adams]

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u177/tankstud82/pic4524.jpg

:lol: I love this joke. I say it all the time, but it seems to me a lot of people don't get it, ha ha. Oh well.

Eh, emo, prep, jock, nerd, whatever...I don't care...does it matter? What kind of bugs me is how they keep saying life isn't fair and boo hoo hoo. Yeah. Everyone knows that. Join the club.

Yeah, the styles are interesting...I like dark, black, striped things. And I like things with shock value. Strange things. And emos and goths like that stuff, too, I guess. I like what I like, but I wouldn't call myself emo or goth. They do their thing...and yeah. I don't mind it.

...

GOTH.

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa144/shesoutofsync/gawths.jpg

YAY I IZ SOOOO GAWTHIC! *stabs Romans*

Seriously, where did the gothic subculture get their name? Why "goth"? XD Was it the architechture?


funny thing happened today on my first day of school.
i have a lot of cuts on my arm from carrying these pieces of aluminum that can go through skin like a hot knife through butter, and i was also grinding metal atm my work so my entire fore arm is covered in shallow cuts. i forgot about them and wore a t-shirt to school. everyone gave me really bad looks and an emo group (several emos, couple guys, couple girls) walked up and put a hand on my shoulder and said, "if you want to talk about it, we here for ya" then proceeded to follow me around all day. then i went to my couselor to talk about colleges and when i should apply, yadda, yadda. the minuite i walk in, he says in a serious tone, "anything been bad in your family?" then he gestures toward my arms. i finally figure it out and tell him the whole story. he doesn't believe it until he calls my dad to confirm my story.

:lol: Oh dear. What a story. I'd hate that kind of attention...

[Bakiryu]

emo girls can be fairly cute.
So true :D


i think most of the kids in school that dress emo, act emo, and listen to emo are just trying to get attention.(sarcastically) "oh no, my life is so hard cause i live in a house and i don't work but i am super depressed and can't stop cutting myself so i am going ot force all of my problems on you so you have to sit and listen to me rant and rave about how bad my life is when really, all i am is a spoiled brat who wants attention."

the true emo's who are depressed and have things like depression, i don't think they are the ones who will come out and start whining and stuff to you. they will try to hide it as much as they can and will save it for when their parents find out and they have to talk to a counselor.

my way of identifying people with problems such as depression is to try to see how normal they are being. everybody has some craziness in their personality. if they are being too normal, too cool, too anything, then they are covering something up.

this is just what i think and has no basis in fact

(no offense to you bakiryu, i haven't personally met you to know which type you are, i didn't even know you were emo, i just thought you were an anime nut. i believe there's a difference


Well I'd never identified myself as emo until I began freshman year. I used to lived in miami and I was the dark, black-dressed girl on a bunch of skinny pink shirts, cell-phone carrying barbies. They called me goth.

Then I began highschool, met a bunch of anime nuts and began to get comments like "Admit it, you're emo" or "you're so emo!" then the emo kids began following me around.

In then i just figured out, since I fitted all the characteristics of an emo, am i not emo?




my way of identifying people with problems such as depression is to try to see how normal they are being. everybody has some craziness in their personality. if they are being too normal, too cool, too anything, then they are covering something up.


exactly, you find a kid with straight A's, who's always smiling, who looks perfect and he/she is probably, really, really messed up




funny thing happened today on my first day of school.
i have a lot of cuts on my arm from carrying these pieces of aluminum that can go through skin like a hot knife through butter, and i was also grinding metal atm my work so my entire fore arm is covered in shallow cuts. i forgot about them and wore a t-shirt to school. everyone gave me really bad looks and an emo group (several emos, couple guys, couple girls) walked up and put a hand on my shoulder and said, "if you want to talk about it, we here for ya" then proceeded to follow me around all day. then i went to my couselor to talk about colleges and when i should apply, yadda, yadda. the minuite i walk in, he says in a serious tone, "anything been bad in your family?" then he gestures toward my arms. i finally figure it out and tell him the whole story. he doesn't believe it until he calls my dad to confirm my story.

Oh god :lol: :lol: :lol: i pity you, but then, getting stalked by emo girls isn't that bad :blush:. I can just imagine it. :lol:

[the silent x]

:lol: I love this joke. I say it all the time, but it seems to me a lot of people don't get it, ha ha. Oh well.

Eh, emo, prep, jock, nerd, whatever...I don't care...does it matter? What kind of bugs me is how they keep saying life isn't fair and boo hoo hoo. Yeah. Everyone knows that. Join the club.

Yeah, the styles are interesting...I like dark, black, striped things. And I like things with shock value. Strange things. And emos and goths like that stuff, too, I guess. I like what I like, but I wouldn't call myself emo or goth. They do their thing...and yeah. I don't mind it.

...

GOTH.

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa144/shesoutofsync/gawths.jpg

YAY I IZ SOOOO GAWTHIC! *stabs Romans*

Seriously, where did the gothic subculture get their name? Why "goth"? XD Was it the architechture?



:lol: Oh dear. What a story. I'd hate that kind of attention...


actually, gothic srchitecture refers to being big scary, not fun things, a gothic church compared to a rennaisance church are nothing alike. the gothic church is huge, hard to get to, is supposed to make you go through a "hell on earth" to repay for your sins rennaisance switched that around completely

[Niamh]

what are Chavs, nighty? townies?
over here we call them knackers, Skangers, Skobies.....

What i dislike though, is when "emo's" claim to be their own person, when, in fact, they look exactly like everyone else. It seems the only way to be original is to be unoriginal =/

Never a truer statement.

actually, gothic srchitecture refers to being big scary, not fun things, a gothic church compared to a rennaisance church are nothing alike. the gothic church is huge, hard to get to, is supposed to make you go through a "hell on earth" to repay for your sins rennaisance switched that around completely

I never understand why people always get gothic architecture and romanesque mixed up.
Romanesque architecture came first. The sculpture of romanesque architecture was mainly groteques, morbid and put the fear of god in christians.
The architecture was rounded arches, barrel vaults, thick wall and thin windows. So not a lot of light which would make the cathedrals dark and dreary places indead!
Here is Autun Cathedral in france. It is one of the most famous romanesque cathedrals for its sculptures.(you can see some later gothic additions in the form of the large arched windows)
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q268/niamhking/cathedral-1.jpg
This is the sculpture from the west facade of the cathedral. It was carved by a man called giselbertus, and goes by two names- The last judgement or the Weighting of the souls. You can clearly see how grotesque the sculpure was.
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q268/niamhking/200-210.gif

Here is a romaneque cathedral in italy. Very boring and plain.
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a107/captainzj/Tuscany/e1e86e92.jpg
Now onto the gothic architecture.
We are looking at, pointed arches, ribbed vaulting, flying buttresses(mainly late gothic) rose windows, larger windows and thinner walls, resulting in a bright airy light feel. The thrid faze of gothic architecture, the flamboyent gothic era, was alive and kicking at the beginning of the rennaisance.
Here is an image of Chartres cathedral in france. You can see the difference.
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q268/niamhking/300px-Chartres_1.jpg
And here is the style of sculpture found in gothic cathedrals. As you can see its life like and more graceful. Not at all grotesque, but rather beautiful.
this is the Kings and Queens fron the west facadwe of the cathedral
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q268/niamhking/chartres-cathedral.jpg
so gothic: not dark, morbid, grim and grotesques but light, soft, graceful and beautiful.

[hedbanger]

Emos annoy me. D;

[Bakiryu]

Emos annoy me. D;

do I annoy you?

How can a whole group of people annoy you? That's like saying "Blacks annoy me or Hippies annoy me!"

[papayahed]

do I annoy you?

How can a whole group of people annoy you? That's like saying "Blacks annoy me or Hippies annoy me!"

Ya know now that you mention it Hippies do annoy me, but I'm sure I annoy them so I think we're even.

[Bakiryu]

Hippies are cute. (sorry I just love long hair and beads!) I'm sure not all hippies are annoying, my ex was pretty funny!

[Mortis Anarchy]

Are you aware you just insulted over ten thousand people including me? The music like all music, is varied. Some is whiny, annoying crap no one can listen to (like the band SCARY KIDS SCARING KIDS) and some is actually good (like HIM or Amber Pacific.)

I don't consider HIM emo. I'd say LOVE METAL...;)

Quite a few kids at my school are emo. But some of them are more punk rockers than anything else. I don't care how you classify yourself...I have no problems with anyone or any group.

Also, there is emo and then there is the scene kids.

Scene Kids-http://www.wikihow.com/Be-a-Scene-Kid

Kids that just go along with the alternative group...it changes so they change.

[Mortis Anarchy]

Ya know now that you mention it Hippies do annoy me, but I'm sure I annoy them so I think we're even.

:( I'm hippie...or at least thats what my friends and peers call me...is it wrong that I believe in PEACE and DON'T GET ANGRY, unless provoked! I tell them that I'm not hippie, I BELIEVE IN BRAS!!!:)

[Bakiryu]

I love HIM. for some reason all my emo friends listened to it. In Cape is classified as emo.

[Mortis Anarchy]

I love HIM. for some reason all my emo friends listened to it. In Cape is classified as emo.

I love HIM as well...but I don't consider them emo. I find them very modern glam metal type thing. Not emo.

[papayahed]

:( I'm hippie...or at least thats what my friends and peers call me...is it wrong that I believe in PEACE and DON'T GET ANGRY, unless provoked! I tell them that I'm not hippie, I BELIEVE IN BRAS!!!:)


I think I don't like hippies as a group... I know several people that consider themselves hippies and they're pretty cool. It's that whole unwashed hairy armpited smelly organic thing..

[Mortis Anarchy]

I think I don't like hippies as a group... I know several people that consider themselves hippies and they're pretty cool. It's that whole unwashed hairy armpited smelly organic thing..

I believe in shaving, deodorent, bras...NO drugs...etc. I think they just tease me about it.

[CrazyDiamond]

Well, i'd say that, if anything, i'd be "Hippie" - I fit into the stereotype (bar the dread locks). Vegan, voluntary work...the like.

Well, i guess my music taste is a tad hippie too =/ you can't get bigger hippie's than Pink Floyd if you tried.

'Mon the prog rock!!

Peace out =p


I believe in shaving, deodorent, bras...NO drugs...etc. I think they just tease me about it.

I do have personal hygene though. Im a clean hippie x]

[the silent x]

him scares me and thanks for the correction on the architecture, i was going on what my history teacher told me.

[CrazyDiamond]

HIM bug the living hell out of me, too. *looks scared*

[Bakiryu]

Why? HIM is pretty cool.

(So wait, if you're a hippie you listen to Pink Floyd, are a vegan and do volunteer work?)

[~*Dark Faerie*~]

Why? HIM is pretty cool.

(So wait, if you're a hippie you listen to Pink Floyd, are a vegan and do volunteer work?)


If that's true, I could be a hippie. I don't think something as simple as that could define a human being.

Personally, I get called (sometimes yelled) emo. I have had kids I didn't even know come up and yell at me ("emo freak"). Frankly I do like to be different than the people around me, but I hate getting attention for the way I dress or the music I listen to, because it really does mean something to me. The attention really just makes me very uncomfortable (I can be quite shy). For me it started with the music. Though I could talk about this for much longer, to sum it all up, I don't believe in being a clone but I'm so tired of the emo jokes I see everywhere.

By the way I don't consider HIM emo, just metal/touches of classic goth rock. ;)

[Bakiryu]

Emo jokes are indeed annoying. I just want to say "get a life you stereotyping people!"

[Niamh]

but by classing yourself as emo, are you not therefore stereotyping yourself? Just a Q.

[Pensive]

I'm hippie...or at least thats what my friends and peers call me...is it wrong that I believe in PEACE and DON'T GET ANGRY, unless provoked! I tell them that I'm not hippie, I BELIEVE IN BRAS!!!

This reminds me of a few friends of mine who were calling me 'Hermione' the other day. I was like what the hell? I asked them what could have I common with this character from HP series. (I don't like ruling around, am not this much ambitious and it seems to me hardly match her), and they were like, "You give lectures."

Only because there is one thing you have common with a particular group/personality, people can label you to be belonging to that...


As for emos, I have never in my life seen any emo girl. The idea of cutting myself and wearing make-up (oh I dislike make-up as a personal choice) doesn't appeal me. This is just another way, as dramasnot mentioned, to get attention or to belong somewhere. (Don't mean to offend any emo person here) but that's how it seems to me.

[NikolaiI]

I think there's nothing wrong with emo, and why would they be annoying exactly? There was this girl at one of my high schools who got made fun of a whole lot, and yet she would always put herself out there, by arguing things kind of stupidly, and she always would join in conversations even though people would make fun of her. But she wasn't emo. I would think emos would avoid people who made fun of them, so how would that be annoying? But I feel stupid just saying the word emo- people are people, and I'm sure emo's have as many shades as the rest of us..

[Bakiryu]

but by classing yourself as emo, are you not therefore stereotyping yourself? Just a Q.

Not really. I classify myself as a random-person with a random-personality (I'm very random!) The rest of the world calls me emo. I've just learned to accept it.

[the silent x]

stereotypes might just be a way of remembering who a person is and we may do it unconciously, is it easier remembering

the girl
with the blue eyes
black hair
pale skin
thin
who dresses in all black
with striped sleeves
and knee-socks
thin face

or

emo girl
blue eyes
thin face

it's easier for the mind to sort through and thus make it easier to remember people quicker so you aren't stuck staring off into space trying to figure out who the person isand lookign like a moron while the person is sitting there waiting for you to snap back into reality
just a possibility

[papayahed]

Not really. I classify myself as a random-person with a random-personality (I'm very random!) The rest of the world calls me emo. I've just learned to accept it.

99.9% of the world doesn't know what emo is.

[Niamh]

never heard of it til this thread.

heres an article about it
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=400953&in_page_id=1770

[papayahed]

It probably doesn't seem like it now but after High School those labels and cliches don't mean a whole lot.

[Niamh]

In Ireland you dont really notice stereotypes in schools as 95% of schools have uniforms and uniform rules.

[CrazyDiamond]

Why? HIM is pretty cool.

(So wait, if you're a hippie you listen to Pink Floyd, are a vegan and do volunteer work?)

Uhh...I never said that all hippies are like that. But that is why I personally get called "hippie".

HIM are slightly too, err, generic. I never said they were bad. Just not what i like to listen to. But if it is what you like, then fair play.

Many simple things define human beings. As many people here have said, they get called "emo" for wearing black clothes. People are judged primarily on their appearances. That's life. I don't see what the deal is. Who cares what other people think of you? If they are going to be blatantly mean, then they are not worth a thought.

[CrazyDiamond]

Not really. I classify myself as a random-person with a random-personality (I'm very random!) The rest of the world calls me emo. I've just learned to accept it.

But life is random. Everyone must therefore be classed as a random-person. If conversation was not random, then there would be no conversation at all. Argh, this is confusing me. Isn't everything random?

=/

[Anza]

The only reason kids are acting Emo is because trends have to cycle, because nobody is origional enough to come up with something new. It hasn't been cool to be emo for a while, so everyone wants to be emo now. It'll pass, but for now, if you don't like it, sucks for you.

People at my school think of me and mine as outcasts, just because we define ourselves differently from everyone else. We all have very strong personalities and when we're all together, it's very dynamic. Whe have a total lack of caring for what people think of us, so when we are running through the halls at school acting totally insane (we've been known to spontaneously burst out into song, or laughter for no reason whatsoever) people give us dirty looks. Sometimes they yell out a stereotype, so we stereotype back. If i'm an emo you're a prep. If i'm an outcast, you're a hick. We are also highly intelligent, mostly in honors classes and most are musicians, poets, or bilingual. We usuallyinsult people from our level. When we want to say someone is an f---ing know-it-all, we call them a sexual intellect. & actually, I don't mind being called an outcast. If I'm better than you, I would be away from you. I don't like it when people call my twin's group of friends "Goths" and "Emos," and I'm not afraid to tell them to shut it. Personally, they and I alike prefer to label them the "Suffering Artists." Poetic, right?
Of course, my school isn't as stereotypical as most. It's really the Preps against everyone else. For example, guys from all groups flirt with girls in my group. Even though we're the freaky weirdo outcasts. Crazy, huh?

[~*Dark Faerie*~]

Not really. I classify myself as a random-person with a random-personality (I'm very random!) The rest of the world calls me emo. I've just learned to accept it.


I completely agree! I feel the same way.

[CrazyDiamond]

I wouldn't say that you are defining yourself differently from everyone else, because, quite frankly, everyone and their uncle are "emo" nowadays.

I agree with you totally that it is a trend or a fad that will, in time, pass.

[the silent x]

according to niamh's article, we're all emo's
niamh this is not you saying it, the article you found is saying it

[CrazyDiamond]

I can understand this when looking into the etymology of the word. However, our social status does not render all of us "emo" ...Does it?

There's different "cliques" in society. That's just the way it goes I guess...

[Bakiryu]

The only reason kids are acting Emo is because trends have to cycle, because nobody is origional enough to come up with something new. It hasn't been cool to be emo for a while, so everyone wants to be emo now. It'll pass, but for now, if you don't like it, sucks for you.

People at my school think of me and mine as outcasts, just because we define ourselves differently from everyone else. We all have very strong personalities and when we're all together, it's very dynamic. Whe have a total lack of caring for what people think of us, so when we are running through the halls at school acting totally insane (we've been known to spontaneously burst out into song, or laughter for no reason whatsoever) people give us dirty looks. Sometimes they yell out a stereotype, so we stereotype back. If i'm an emo you're a prep. If i'm an outcast, you're a hick. We are also highly intelligent, mostly in honors classes and most are musicians, poets, or bilingual. We usuallyinsult people from our level. When we want to say someone is an f---ing know-it-all, we call them a sexual intellect. & actually, I don't mind being called an outcast. If I'm better than you, I would be away from you. I don't like it when people call my twin's group of friends "Goths" and "Emos," and I'm not afraid to tell them to shut it. Personally, they and I alike prefer to label them the "Suffering Artists." Poetic, right?
Of course, my school isn't as stereotypical as most. It's really the Preps against everyone else. For example, guys from all groups flirt with girls in my group. Even though we're the freaky weirdo outcasts. Crazy, huh?

It sounds cool. There are few outcasts in my school. Everybody just left during summer. There used to be over 50 of us, different people banded togheter and it was awesome. Now it's just me and like 5 who stayed.

[Anza]

Wow, Bakiryu. Real "Emos" (I use the stereotype with as much respect as possible) are a rarity in my school I couldn't imagine more than twenty at a time, since that's our numbers now, and that's an all time high. I can't believe there's only six, but in sixth grade there was only four of us. The four is now the innermost circle of friends, (Me, Kathleen, Nicki, and Sarah), and we might as well be sisters. We even came up with Japanese nicknames for each other. Nicli is Sachuri-Natsu (to help to fall), Kathleen is Shika (deer), Sarah is Tsuki (moon), and I am Tenshi Shouten (The Angel of Death).
Most of the people that left this summer are preps, because they didn't like the uniform policy that the Admin started this year. All it is is tucking your shirt in and wearing solid colors, and it totally disapproves of skirts that show your buttchecks. I guess they couldn't handle looking professional, but I couldn't stand some of them so I guess I'm glad they're gone. No matter how evil that sounds.

[Bakiryu]

I agree with ya, buh-bye preps!
Back in my middleschool days I was surrounded by Latinas (preppy, slutty girls) who called me "That weird goth chick" My friends did come up with a japanese nickname for me (I have a bunch) but the most used it's Jin (gold) after my Samurai-Champloo obsession.

[Niamh]

according to niamh's article, we're all emo's
niamh this is not you saying it, the article you found is saying it

in away you are right. We are all "emotionals" as we all "feel". So this could basicly mean that the term "Emo" is void in the context of the trend. In truth they are really just self-harmers. I'm a highly emotional person, and after reading much on the subject of Emos dont think it is right to use such a universal word for a small minority of people who dress like goths, rockers, punks and grungers but disassociate themselves from these titles by self harm.
But then in saying that, Human beings are an emotional race. In many ways we harm ourselves knowingly or unknowingly, whether through our subconcious creating inner turmoil or via self harm. To err is human after all.

[CrazyDiamond]

in away you are right. We are all "emotionals" as we all "feel". So this could basicly mean that the term "Emo" is void in the context of the trend. In truth they are really just self-harmers. I'm a highly emotional person, and after reading much on the subject of Emos dont think it is right to use such a universal word for a small minority of people who dress like goths, rockers, punks and grungers but disassociate themselves from these titles by self harm.
But then in saying that, Human beings are an emotional race. In many ways we harm ourselves knowingly or unknowingly, whether through our subconcious creating inner turmoil or via self harm. To err is human after all.

Second that!!

[Bakiryu]

in away you are right. We are all "emotionals" as we all "feel". So this could basicly mean that the term "Emo" is void in the context of the trend. In truth they are really just self-harmers. I'm a highly emotional person, and after reading much on the subject of Emos dont think it is right to use such a universal word for a small minority of people who dress like goths, rockers, punks and grungers but disassociate themselves from these titles by self harm.
But then in saying that, Human beings are an emotional race. In many ways we harm ourselves knowingly or unknowingly, whether through our subconcious creating inner turmoil or via self harm. To err is human after all.

Yes, but in this modern society feeling is NOT COOL. I mean, what would you say if you saw a high school guy crying? Most emo kids do not practice self-harm.

[Niamh]

Yes, but in this modern society feeling is NOT COOL. I mean, what would you say if you saw a high school guy crying? Most emo kids do not practice self-harm.
feeling is not just crying. And everyone feels whether they realise it or not, whether they think its "cool" or not. I'm sure a "high school guy" feels jealous right?

[Bakiryu]

Of course. It's just showing emotion is been, (how to say this?), viewed as unimportant. Basic emotions like jealousy or anger are ok, but deppression, sadness, sorrow, darkness, those kinds of emotions are (like they sad) "scary", "weird", "frightening", "odd."

[CrazyDiamond]

Yes, but in this modern society feeling is NOT COOL. I mean, what would you say if you saw a high school guy crying? Most emo kids do not practice self-harm.

In that case, they are posers, showing that they are complying to the scene. No offense to you or anyone else, but is there such a thing as a "true emo" nowadays? Because I for one do not know of any.

I don't like the idea of music defining a person, but where I am from, who you are friends with is dependent on the music that you listen to. =/

[Bakiryu]

I don't like the idea of music defining a person, but where I am from, who you are friends with is dependent on the music that you listen to. =/

Of course. It is either the music you listen or the anime you watch. Sometimes there are exceptions like my best friend: she listens to rap, I listen to screamo. She watches MTV, I watch ICF (the indie channel.)


In that case, they are posers, showing that they are complying to the scene. No offense to you or anyone else, but is there such a thing as a "true emo" nowadays? Because I for one do not know of any.


The older emos, who were first in the scene and got copied. But self-harm is not really widely practiced! Mostly is just the music.

[Niamh]

The older emos, who were first in the scene and got copied. But self-harm is not really widely practiced! Mostly is just the music.

but then they are not Emos right? they are baby bats or junior goth/punk/rockers.

[Bakiryu]

but then they are not Emos right? they are baby bats or junior goth/punk/rockers.

Well, if you listen to emo.
Dress emo.
Write emo.
Have an emo-ish mental state.
Hang out with other kids who do the same.

Then you are officially emo.

[CrazyDiamond]

I guess it's just different in different in places. I have a lot of friend's who like to classify themselves as "Emo" - and they are amazing friends and great people.

I think we should all just look past appearances and get to know the person behind the clothes and the make-up. That's what really counts, at the end of the day.


but then they are not Emos right? they are baby bats or junior goth/punk/rockers.

Exactly, again, defining yourself by the music they listen to is sort of kidding yourself. In that case, would you call a person who looks EXACTLY like you would expect a "prep" to look "Emo" if they listened to "Emo" music?

[Anza]

At my school, all the real Emos, myself included, disdainfully call the fake Emos, "premos" which is just "pretend emos" shoved into one word. Premos are awful. They lie about going to concerts that they are not familiar with the band, they claim bands as "Their band" when they only know one song that has a music video and was ALL OVER the radio, they cut themselves, they dye their hair black and then put a streak of blonde at the front, They wear flourescent pink with black accents and then giggle about how "emo" they are, and even if you combined the brain mass of all fifty of them, a teaspoon would be unreasonable to put that little intelligence in.
Sure, we don't have as many numbers, but we have PRIDE in our emo-ness.

[Telegram Sam]

I think I missed the Emo trend well enough to not really be familiar with its tendencies. I've heard that "cutting" is a disturbingly common trend these days, but I've always just attributed that to the fact that people are taught that they're not to be held accountable for their own problems; that human emotions boil down to some kind of chemical makeup that can only be altered by varying dosages of drugs. Kids aren't taught to deal with their problems anymore... I might cut myself too if I was that helpless. That such inadequacies are worn as some kind of badges of honor these days to let you into some kind of super cool club is pretty depressing.

The only way I personally have ever used the term "emo" is just to mock people who whine in self-pity and listen to weepy music. That is to say I always assumed the term was meant to carry negative connotations. That people actually strive to be "emo" is kind of news to me. To each his own I guess.

[the silent x]

hey telelgram, i agree with you that (what generation name are we?) is slightly inadequate in the deal with it part of "life sucks deal with it" motto. no offense to anyone who has depression out there, but i don't believe it, i think a pharmecuetical agency just did a random survey, found a chemical imbalance in some people and used it as the reason depression is upon us, then they prescribed a medication that fixed that imbalance (sort of) and are no wmaking money off of people who need someone to truly talk to. then you get to wierdo's like me who lock their inner workings up tight so no one can get in, or let anything get out.

[Telegram Sam]

I believe there is such a thing as chemical imbalances that make certain people less able to deal with their depression etc., and more prone to it, but I also just think it's horribly overdiagnosed. It seems to have gotten to the point where if someone's bummed about something, they don't so much as consider what that something is before they pop a couple pills to stop it from hurting. That doesn't fix the problem, unfortunately, though I guess it would be nice if life were that simple.

[the silent x]

i am in total agreement wiht you, i just didn't state what it welll enough,

my thanks

[Bakiryu]

I believe there is such a thing as chemical imbalances that make certain people less able to deal with their depression etc., and more prone to it, but I also just think it's horribly overdiagnosed. It seems to have gotten to the point where if someone's bummed about something, they don't so much as consider what that something is before they pop a couple pills to stop it from hurting. That doesn't fix the problem, unfortunately, though I guess it would be nice if life were that simple.

True, once three years ago I went to a psychiatrists, they don't really talk to me but ordered me to take a bunch of pills, zoloft and such.

Society doesn't realize care, there are things that can't just be fixed by a couple of pills.

[the silent x]

life nowadays is about finding the fast easy way out, "depressed? here's some pills, now your not depressed and i can get on with my life"

[Nightshade]

And on the note of over diagnosis of depression there has been a fair bit about depression in the last month or so in the news.


Depression is 'over-diagnosed'

Prof Parker said prescribing medication may be not be effective
Too many people are being diagnosed with depression when all they are is unhappy, a leading psychiatrist says.
Professor Gordon Parker claims the threshold for clinical depression is too low and risks treating normal emotional states as illness.

Writing in the British Medical Journal, he calls depression a "catch-all" diagnosis driven by clever marketing.

But another psychiatrist writing in the journal contradicts his views, praising the increased diagnosis of depression.



Professor Ian Hickie writes that an increased diagnosis and treatment of depression has led to a reduction in suicides and removal of the old stigma surrounding mental illness.

Under the current diagnosis guidelines, around one in five adults is thought to suffer depression during their lifetime. This costs the UK economy billions in lost productivity and treatment.

Professor Parker, from the University of New South Wales, in Australia, said the "over-diagnosis" began around 25 years ago. more (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6950733.stm)

Equally
Depression is a more disabling condition than angina, arthritis, asthma and diabetes, research suggests.

[SleepyWitch]

i've got a question about Ramones. some of my students are crazy about them. are they the same as the 70s band? if so, why are the popular again with kids today? does it have anything to do with emo?

[NikolaiI]

I don't think it really matters if people are emo or not. What matters most to me are the people I'm friends with. There's a wide range there, but I don't think I know any emos. It's kind of a funny sounding word, emo. Like emu. Emo. Um, I wrote an emo poem sort of, and was into the art. But then, I don't know anything about art. Anyway, I would classify emo actually as closely related to existentialism. It occupies a similar place as a system of thought in contrast to other contemporaries who are developing their own. There is a lot of knowledge and wisdom to be learned, but every generation has to learn it again. There are some declines, and some changes in the way people are educated, and it affects us.

Existentialism and emo: one, they can be intelligent and deep. They are outcasts. The main reason I associate the two, however, is just feeling. They are both about deep understanding of life, and they are both about beauty; but then, all humankind is about beauty. They are both about thinking about opposites, although, of course, in their own, dark, way. And don't forget Kierkegaard!!!!!!!! Brooding over parties, talking about suicidal feelings, and then, and then, inventing existentialism! :) An emo existentialist, maybe? Does this make any sense? To me it seems I've proved a point, but usually when I feel that way others just call me stupid and move on. :lol: Existentialism is like: feeling vulnerable, because the world is crazy, and then thinking of yourself as a hero, and finally when you begin to write, come up with your own system, and make a contribution, all the while, of course, bucking off all the philosophers before you.

About the Ramones: my bet is it is the same band. I'd have to hear some songs, and my knowledge of the Ramones isn't very great. A possible reason for liking the Ramones? Simply musical. Another reason is role models like parents, people who work at music shops, etc., who like the same music. Actually basically all of my friends have a lot of overlapping musical tastes: such as Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, and lots of others. I am not a Ramones fan, but I am a huge fan of Hendrix, the Clash, and lots of others! There is a man I know in Washington who works with another at a store called "Atomic Heart", and they were both really cool guys. I mean amazingly cool. Magnetic personality, you know? Relaxed, fun, laughing, like, as soon as you meet them you like them. Uh, yeah, anyway, this guy I am talking about was a Ramones fan, as well as the Clash, Hendrix, and lots of other good music. And he worked in a music shop, so it was sort of his business. He played bass, too. Anyway, I actually am totally ignorant as to whether the Ramones has anything to do with emo. :p

About depression and medication I am mostly for natural remedies. A removal to the country, a change in one's diet (principally abstaining mostly from meat, and eating fresh and raw foods, nothing synthesized, and then everything they say is good for our diet) rest...and then there is the interesting thing of this: when a person fasts for a while, a day or more, a certain gene is triggered that tells the body it is under stress, and this has actually been found to increase life longevity, and improve health in lots of ways. These things should be tried definitely before anything else. Very important, too, is the company and relationship of others!!!!!!!!!! It is good to be by oneself, but not if one is not used to that; still, it should be worked towards. Anyway, I know about psychosomatic responses or illnesses, so that is why I think environment is really important. Clean, clean.

[Bakiryu]

So emo is just like existentialism?

[NikolaiI]

Lol, "emo and existentialism" produced no results on a google search. :D I did a little bit more research (on wikipedia, so...) on both emo and existentialism. On the site for existentialism, they have a picture of both Kierkegaard and Nietzsche, who they say were fundamental to the philosophy. I think both of those could be considered emo.

From the site http://www.whitworth.edu/academic/Department/Core/Classes/CO250/Other/Data/d_kierk.htm, I found this


Kierkegaard did not find the answer for "what to do" in his studies in theology and soon began living what he would later call an "aesthetic" life as a rich merchant's son. He spent large sums of money on food, drink, and clothing. He frequented parties and appeared to be having a great time. But hedonistic indulgence did not really give an answer for "what to do" either, and he plunged into despair. Another entry from his journals makes this clear:

I have just returned from a party of which I was the life and soul; wit poured from my lips, everyone laughed and admired me--but I went away--and the dash should be as long as the earth's orbit---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- and wanted to shoot myself.

the second paragraph, quote, was the quote I was thinking of and remembered when I connected emo and existentialism. I've given it away by now, but I had a book on Existentialism same-titled, that had an introduction and writings from lots of different writers. The introduction was some 12 pages or so, with a really wonderful explanation of what existentialism is...existentialism begins with feeling alone, and anxious, a lot of the philosophy is kind of like that. On the other side of it you have when the philosopher breaks through, like Nietzsche, with wonderful creation. That is the run of existentialism. And I say Nietzsche was kind of like emo because he was shy and polite..

So that is how they are alike, I would say. The differences are that emo is not a philosophy, so much, at least not like existentialism. Emo is more about looks and music, I think.

I consider them similar because of what existentialism is, but also what they both are. I used to consider existentialism to be life, basically...and thinking...and emo is kind of like that too..? Both are a lot about feeling and meaning.

[Bakiryu]

Yeah, It sounds pretty much the same. Perhaps the emo trend is just using a previous concept and recycling it :idea:

(For some reason after reading your post I keep imagining Nietzche as an emo guy :lol:)

[NikolaiI]

Yeah, emo, but he was more of just a raw, genius, creative, expressive kind of person. I dunno- was he an overman??? His illness interfered with his life so much, and yet he still gave so much to his work, it was crazy. Then the loneliness, his politeness and shyness make him emo for me. I think Kierkegaard and Nietzsche outclass emo just because they're so much more mature. But their philosophy was treated similarly to emo is now?

I think emo and existentialist are similar because they're both about dealing with absurdity, crisis or suffering- alienation, above all, that is a very central thing to existentialism- dealing with this feeling of being alone, (in existentialism, by writing a new system or what have you) etc. Both are about feeling or thinking- both also are very centered on the individual feelings of people. I would say.

Both begin with dissatisfaction, in both it is- I am alienated from the world with different values, or what have you. That's a big part of both of them.

[NikolaiI]

Baki, has anyone ever said this to you?? :D
http://lovesickdiana.deviantart.com/art/emo-girl-65406404

and randomly, here are some good art I thought.

http://www.deviantart.com/print/1763244/ (!)

And this one, a bit similar to our eloaui doll-maker backgrounds..

http://bw-inc.deviantart.com/art/Lasting-Moments-65337506

[RoCKiTcZa]

Indeed, I am emo, this I wholeheartedly admit, though I don't really show off my emoity all the time through clothing and such, for I believe words are enough to let them know who I really am. It's not much. It isn't something I do in order to show off. Ironically, in our school those who are emo in reality are less popular than those who simply pretend to be emo, through song and style.

[Bakiryu]

Baki, has anyone ever said this to you?? :D
http://lovesickdiana.deviantart.com/art/emo-girl-65406404

and randomly, here are some good art I thought.

http://www.deviantart.com/print/1763244/ (!)

And this one, a bit similar to our eloaui doll-maker backgrounds..

http://bw-inc.deviantart.com/art/Lasting-Moments-65337506


Wow, i hadn't come by this thread in such a long time.

i don't like when people tell me to smile :( But I loved the second one, very beautiful and serene. i wish i could afford prints :alien: