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accadacca
09-01-2007, 08:20 PM
hi, im in year 10 english advanced and we are currently doing a novel study on to kill a mockingbird. and i stumped by the question "How does Harper Lee explore her themes in the novel?"

i know all the themes in the novel ect. but i just cant grasp HOW DOES she explore them.

"How does Harper Lee explore her themes in the novel?"

any insight and help would be much appreciated:)

Bakiryu
09-01-2007, 09:04 PM
Well we studied the novel last year and our teacher explained Harper Lee was doing exponential writing about society and its unfairness.

I don't really know about themes.....:blush:

accadacca
09-01-2007, 09:23 PM
yeh, i just need to know and understand how she explores the themes of the novel [prejudice, courage, ect..]

Bakiryu
09-01-2007, 09:42 PM
I did a search and found: http://www.123helpme.com/preview.asp?id=94198 and http://www.homework-online.com/tkamb/themes.asp

does this help?

accadacca
09-01-2007, 09:46 PM
wow! these really will help, cheers!!

[why does everything i type sound sarcastic.lol]

Bakiryu
09-01-2007, 09:51 PM
Glad I could be of help.


[I don't know it's kinda weird! :D]

Scheherazade
09-01-2007, 10:02 PM
yeh, i just need to know and understand how she explores the themes of the novel [prejudice, courage, ect..]Slowly, carefully and beautifully?

:D

JBI
09-02-2007, 12:25 AM
She creates and anecdotal example of a possible event (perhaps true, perhaps false, I don't know) and she shows you how society acts. That is how she explores the themes.

Mark F.
09-02-2007, 06:58 PM
Most importantly through the eyes of a child.

GERBAM
09-03-2007, 06:56 AM
In exploring the themes of any novel you must figure out what they are.
Themes in TKM for example: are justice; love; compassion; coming of age; racial hatreds; the characters' names: look up Atticus Finch, look up Scout, look up Boo you may find that TKM is a far more complex book than you thought.

When you begin with Atticus everything falls into place or it should coupled with the site BAKIRYU so very kindly gave you.

And remember the theme thread of memory since the story is told by an adult Scout as she remembers that fateful summer.

GOOD LUCK
GERBAM

litpoet
10-16-2007, 11:08 PM
I am writing a paper on how Atticus Finch fits into the 14-17 steps/stages of the Journey of a Hero according to Joseph Campbell's Journey of a Hero. I had a kind reply from a gentleman who knew the the details of the journey but had not read the book. Is there anyone who has read TKAM and is familiar with the steps who would be willing to help? The two that puzzle me are the times when Atticus is in a situation - the "Belly of the Whale" and a meeting with a Goddess or Temptress. If anyone has any ideas of these and or any of the other steps I would be ever so grateful. Thank you. You may respond directly to me if that is easier.

Mockingbird_z
03-04-2008, 03:53 PM
Hey!
I was just wondering what you all think about To Kill a Mockingbird by Harper Lee?
(I hope you dont think its a book for children.) I would just be interested in reading your comments and your thought about it.
i think its one of the best books (i have ever read).

moose gurl
03-04-2008, 06:25 PM
I've read this book twice, and I think it's excellent. As resident of Alabama myself, I think Lee portrays the southern lifestyle with eloquence and grace. It's captivating, thrilling, and at the same time a simple picture of what it means to be a child. The book is complex and works on a few different levels, and Lee intertwines them to make something truly stunning and well-written.
I do think that her relationship with Truman Capote is sketchy, especially since she didn't write much more after that and really refuses to talk much about the book. But it's really a great book and I wish she did write more.

betzen
03-04-2008, 09:33 PM
I do think that her relationship with Truman Capote is sketchy, especially since she didn't write much more after that and really refuses to talk much about the book. But it's really a great book and I wish she did write more.

What do you mean by "sketchy"? Is there something in particular you're thinking?

betzen
03-04-2008, 09:35 PM
Also, I forgot to say, I really enjoyed the book too. It's been several years since I read it, so maybe I'll put it on my list to reread. Although a main character is a child, I don't think it's a children's book.

eyemaker
03-05-2008, 03:54 AM
Except from being a winner of a Pulitzer award, the story itself is very well applauded! Lee did a great job. The story is indeed enjoyable!

moose gurl
03-06-2008, 02:37 PM
Betzen,
Harper Lee worked really closely with Capote on To Kill A Mockingbird. I was only implying that their relationship was...well, questionable. Capote was very obviously a homosexual, so I'm not saying they were romantically involved, but considering the fact that she really didn't write much more after Mockingbird, I just wonder if he didn't have a hand, however small, in the actual writing process behind the novel and getting her published. It pays to have friends in high places. Not saying that I don't believe Mockingbird was Harper's own work, but just that Capote may (or may not) have helped her out a bit, seeing as they were such good friends. I'm simply suggesting that he may have been a driving force behind the novel actually making it to where it is today.

betzen
03-07-2008, 08:36 PM
moose gurl:
Thanks for the explanation. That's interesting to know.:)

kelby_lake
08-15-2008, 06:41 AM
Hey!

i think its one of the best books (i have ever read).

Clearly, by your username.

Am I the only one in the world who thinks this book is rubbish? She should have just sold the few pages with the courtcase. The interesting thing about this book is that Mayella Ewell is trapped and so are all the others suffering from the depression, but no, we get pointed out the bleeding obvious as if we were idiots, a metaphor which is stupid and has to be explained to us.

In Of Mice and Men, Candy shooting his dog is symbolic of the ending, but George doesn't say at the end: 'Oh don't worry it's like putting down your dog because he's essentially like an innocent animal'

curlyqlink
08-15-2008, 08:03 AM
I wouldn't say it's rubbish; it's an "inspiring" book with something of a juvenile sensibility, heavy-handed at times, but it does have its merits. It captures a time and place, and it is quite perceptive of the intricacies of childhood. Scout's voice is believable; the writing is smooth and adroit.

The book is shamelessly sentimental. This comes into conflict with its all-to-obvious "message", because what it's sentimental about is life in the segregated deep South in the 1930s! The fact that the school is all white is never commented upon, the black characters (there are only two) are happy domestic help and a polite, subservient black man. For a book written in 1960, it's not all that progressive; in fact, it can be argued that it defends segregation. It certainly never even dares mention black empowerment.

Harper Lee's novel is interesting for its "daddy fixation". Oh, the Freudian implications! Scout's father is godlike, the daddy-worship is utterly unrestrained. The fact that the only black man in the book is crippled-- hence non-threatening-- has some pretty fascinating and ugly implications too.

kelby_lake
08-15-2008, 02:26 PM
Scout's voice is irritating. Lee's clearly trying to get an 'innocent' narrator by using a child, but Scout is an adult recalling her childhood, therefore it sounds stupid.

Lee could have solved this by using 3rd person limited, enabling the reader to see through the eyes of the child but without having to deal with childish language.

JBI
08-15-2008, 05:28 PM
I think it mediocre, and subject to Emperor's new Clothes syndrome because of its theme of racism, and the modern phobia of seeming racist. people seem to be afraid to criticize it, because that would make them seem racist, or regressive.

I also find it a rather fault on the American education system that they teach this book so widely. Why not teach a book by an African American instead? Some schools do, but Lee is more widely taught than Baldwin, or Morrison, or Richard Wright, yet is a far worse writer than any of these.

mortalterror
08-15-2008, 08:27 PM
I think it mediocre, and subject to Emperor's new Clothes syndrome because of its theme of racism, and the modern phobia of seeming racist. people seem to be afraid to criticize it, because that would make them seem racist, or regressive.

I also find it a rather fault on the American education system that they teach this book so widely. Why not teach a book by an African American instead? Some schools do, but Lee is more widely taught than Baldwin, or Morrison, or Richard Wright, yet is a far worse writer than any of these.

And yet when I say the same things about Proust and Joyce you cry boo.

Verdel
08-16-2008, 03:17 AM
Perhaps one reason why the book is so popular is because people tend not to go beyond reading trash. A person who has been reading Nicholas Sparks all his life is bound to be in awe after reading To Kill A Mockingbird, just because it's far greater - though not great - than his usual reads.

JBI
08-16-2008, 04:22 AM
And yet when I say the same things about Proust and Joyce you cry boo.

Joyce and Proust are the two most radically original novelists of the 20th century. Harper lee borders on plagiarism from Mark Twain, and never transcends or outdoes him. Her characters are stereotyped and static, to the point that the child Scout shares the same opinions and thought process as the narrator Scout.

mortalterror
08-16-2008, 05:44 AM
The point is that some books are sacred cows in our society and as such are considered immune from criticism. If one questions their placement in the canon then one's sense is drawn into question, not the books.

At the highest levels of literacy there is a class of people, to whom the correct opinion is worth more than a man's reasons for holding it. These pseudo intellectuals are very careful to align themselves with popular opinion, and to quash dissent when they find it. They will read a book, turn the pages, and turn their minds off. They already know that Proust or Joyce are the greatest, and they find what they've expected to find. These are your true passive readers, as truly as that term can be applied to the perusers of Harry Potter and Stephen King. Why, these men might have saved themselves the trouble and just read the criticism for all they learn of Joyce.

Bloom thinks that modern academia has been taken hostage by marxists, feminists, and the cult of cultural equivalence. I say that these men are the terrorists of art, the ones with their fingerprints on the knife, and the corpse still bleeding. It is their perverted aesthetic which is the yardstick of talent today. Originality indeed! As if to be different were somehow to be better. Shakespeare's not original. Dante's not original. Flaubert wasn't original. I'm not entirely sure on this point, but it doesn't seem unlikely to me that this emphasis on uniqueness is less a purely aesthetic value than a reaction against the rise of mass market genre fiction and elite art's struggle to define itself by what it is not.

kelby_lake
08-16-2008, 07:53 AM
I think it mediocre, and subject to Emperor's new Clothes syndrome because of its theme of racism, and the modern phobia of seeming racist. people seem to be afraid to criticize it, because that would make them seem racist, or regressive.

I also find it a rather fault on the American education system that they teach this book so widely. Why not teach a book by an African American instead? Some schools do, but Lee is more widely taught than Baldwin, or Morrison, or Richard Wright, yet is a far worse writer than any of these.

I heartily agree.

miyagisan
08-16-2008, 10:18 AM
Am I the only one in the world who thinks this book is rubbish? She should have just sold the few pages with the courtcase...

This book has always been characterized as 'a book about racism' when it clearly is not. Racism is one of the themes but I think everyone that believes that it is the main point of the book has completely missed the point. Even reading it for the first time at 10 years old I didn't think the themes were overly subtle, but apparently they were for a lot of people.

I loved everything about To Kill a Mockingbird - the themes, the characters, the setting, everything. But I think if you're looking for a single stabbing theme, you are sure to be disappointed.

WICKES
08-16-2008, 10:42 AM
I think it mediocre, and subject to Emperor's new Clothes syndrome because of its theme of racism, and the modern phobia of seeming racist. people seem to be afraid to criticize it, because that would make them seem racist, or regressive.

I also find it a rather fault on the American education system that they teach this book so widely.

Agree with you completely. Here in the UK it is just the same- instead of studying Chaucer, Wordsworth, Keats, Dickens, Shakespeare etc and being taught to take pride in the literary heritage of this island, at my sister's school the kids study 'multicultural poetry' (i.e free verse garbage by 3rd rate poets) with an added dose of guilt and shame at Britain's colonial past. I think Harold Bloom is quite right to accuse modern academia of having been hijacked by the politically correct, anti 'dead, white European' mob.

kelby_lake
08-16-2008, 01:52 PM
Here in the UK it is just the same- instead of studying Chaucer, Wordsworth, Keats, Dickens, Shakespeare etc and being taught to take pride in the literary heritage of this island, at my sister's school the kids study 'multicultural poetry' (i.e free verse garbage by 3rd rate poets) with an added dose of guilt and shame at Britain's colonial past. I think Harold Bloom is quite right to accuse modern academia of having been hijacked by the politically correct, anti 'dead, white European' mob.

We were forced to do rubbish like that at school. It is the quality of writing and emotion that I find important in a novel, not whether it's political enough.

Its themes are hardly subtle- they're flagged up. Innocence. Prejudice. Hypocrisy. And Atticus is a preacher. His speech in the courtroom is so long and cliched that he might as well have sung 'Ebony and Ivory'

curlyqlink
08-17-2008, 11:34 AM
I also find it a rather fault on the American education system that they teach this book so widely.

I agree with you that this book is widely taught (and admired) more because its heart is in the right place than for any literary merit it might have.

And the book is not really all that progressive, not even for 1960, when it was published. It is therefore "safe".

But I can see its usefulness in the classroom. It has lots of potential for opening up discussion. Past standards versus current standards, the issue of condescending whites, self-empowerment versus paternalism, that kind of thing. It's a straightforward narrative written in a kid's voice, which makes it accessible.

It also has a bit of unexpected moral complexity right at the end, the stabbing. The sheriff "cleans up" the crime scene, suppressing evidence by pocketing the second knife, and the (ridiculously) upright Atticus goes along with this highly questionable end-run around the justice system. So the book is not quite the smug morality play it might seem.

kelby_lake
08-17-2008, 04:08 PM
It's coz it all fits into their neat little life motto