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blazeofglory
08-31-2007, 11:30 AM
Truth is layered i.e, there are layers of truth, and it is really a big challenge to arrive at truth, for we are unsure the truth we have arrived at the ultimate truth or the absolute truth. How can we be sure of arriving at the absolute truth?

When we say God, the Devil is there un-manifest. In every word of God, nay, in every prayer there is a Devil quotient. This is really an intricate thing and until we ponder this over seriously we can not understand this.

Let us reverse our thinking methods, a traditional approach to thinking. Unlearn programmed or acquired ideas. When we pray there is something we want to be cleansed of or redeemed from. Maybe from the fetters of the Devil. We fear the devil or the Inferno of Hell as Dante has marvelously described in his the Divine Comedy and the bare fact remains: if there is no presence of the Devil, there is no question of praying, or there will be no prayers at all.

Why do need God? It is very simple. We need Him to defend us from the Devil. Then a question even a child is likely to ask: Why did god create the Devil? Or the question can be asked: Is the Devil as powerful as God? If so why do we worship him?

Or God created the Devil to prove his vanity, to prove to the world that He is so merciful; for to prove something or something of quality or quantity we need another entity, like to prove light we need darkness. By the same token to prove greatness of God he had to create something evil.

If we mediate deeply distancing us from religious or any other notions we will feel God is a great actor, maybe he is the protagonist on the stage.

The root of our belief, the very tradition of it is shaky and how can we be sure that we arrived at the truth we are in perpetual quest.

Mr. Dr. Ralph
08-31-2007, 07:50 PM
People haven't outgrown mythology quite yet, give it another generation or two and the only churches left will be in the boonies.

An argument not established by reason cannot be removed by it - Schopenhauer

NikolaiI
09-01-2007, 01:29 PM
Reality is truth, and everybody sees it...everything there is, is in everything there is. Each person, no matter who they are, or how unique, is understood, and has had duplications and will have duplications. Every person has shades, and every person has a grain of personality that is theirs, and from that they have depth and height, but they always remain the same person. Yet in the realm of human sociality all are connected, with the overlaying shades. Life is unstable and uncontrollable, and our strength comes from our ability to tell truth, and do adapt and adjust, comes from our roots. Because each person is exactly like a tree or a rock; that is our nature. The best thing is meaningful communication, in fact relationships are built on this. Like you say, everyone is connected. In fact, this is a tangible connection, merely by communication it is created.

Life is unstable for everyone, not merely some; not merely the alcoholics or drug addicts but for all of us. A person said to me the other day he thought meditation was a waste of time, and compared it to other more productive activities like building something; the benefits of which are more quantifiable. However, meditation is an action just like any other, and has benefits just the same. It is better to think of it as practice, and as such, it is just one thing we do. We practice because we need it, and because it is unique and integral to our existence. Yet as the Dalai Lama said, religious practice is a part of life and in a religious person's life their daily lives are indistinguishable from practice. We practice and become better at it and more wakeful and aware, and then we are aware all of the day.

blazeofglory
09-01-2007, 09:11 PM
Reality is truth, and everybody sees it...everything there is, is in everything there is. Each person, no matter who they are, or how unique, is understood, and has had duplications and will have duplications. Every person has shades, and every person has a grain of personality that is theirs, and from that they have depth and height, but they always remain the same person. Yet in the realm of human sociality all are connected, with the overlaying shades. Life is unstable and uncontrollable, and our strength comes from our ability to tell truth, and do adapt and adjust, comes from our roots. Because each person is exactly like a tree or a rock; that is our nature. The best thing is meaningful communication, in fact relationships are built on this. Like you say, everyone is connected. In fact, this is a tangible connection, merely by communication it is created.

Life is unstable for everyone, not merely some; not merely the alcoholics or drug addicts but for all of us. A person said to me the other day he thought meditation was a waste of time, and compared it to other more productive activities like building something; the benefits of which are more quantifiable. However, meditation is an action just like any other, and has benefits just the same. It is better to think of it as practice, and as such, it is just one thing we do. We practice because we need it, and because it is unique and integral to our existence. Yet as the Dalai Lama said, religious practice is a part of life and in a religious person's life their daily lives are indistinguishable from practice. We practice and become better at it and more wakeful and aware, and then we are aware all of the day.

NNikloai, the Dalai Lama's saying that daily lives are indistinguishable from a religious practice is really what moves me. That is my philosophy of life, my meaning of life and my understanding of what life is.

What is God? I see God through you, Nikolai, and I can not see or imagine a better god than you. Since you are a part of the universe, the way the earth has come from the Sun and it seems to exist independent of it. All of us have come indirectly from something. I subscribe to scientific notions of the creation of the universe immensely yet where I really differ from them is they believe that the world was formed out of chaos and I do not agree personally.
It came out of consciousness and there is something a great source of consciousness. What it is really unanalyzable scientifically or by any means.

One thing I am highly convinced of is the fact that all human beings, no matters whether they are sacred or holy men or criminals or sinners are equal and I can not prove to you this notion of truth, for my language skill and particularly in English is too poor. I can not hate anybody, and this is not vainglory I am expressing, and there is no reason to do so. I have deep down within me a feeling that sinners and saints have no basic different natures.
Everyone is capable of sinning. Here the idea of Darwin has relevance. And in nature there is perpetual struggle for existence - for food, for space , for love. The mighty can have dominance over the weak. From this standpoint everyone is struggling for his or her own existence on this earth. In that eternal struggle for existence one at times becomes compelled to annihilate the existence of the other. All of us are directly or indirectly annihilating the existence of one another and there is a matter of degree only.

Then all of us are sinners or saints together. The sinned and the sinner are indivisibly one and the same. When we are led by fits of angers we care capable of harming others, and the harm we cause is a matter of degree from persons to persons.

Nikolai, when I live this mental setup, this notion how can I hate another human being. This is the same old notion that circumstances determine actions of human beings.

I beleive and am strongly convinced that every sinner has something devine within him or her. Our ken or sight is screened and we can not visualize this. And every great saint has the Devil in him.

That is why in our earlier communication we have agreed on some points that we are all no matter where we live the same and there is no duality. There is no duality between you and me, Nikolai, despite that we know a little of our nationalities and backgrounds we are closely strung or tied up by a cord of understanding.

There can be no difference between us even if anyone of us has sinned. One story in the Bible appeals to me immensely. I have a faint memory of the story. Once a group of people brought a woman, who they claimed had sinned. They said she needed to be stoned. Jesus came forward and said, 'only he can stone her or punish her who has never sinned.' And every on of them departed. She was saved.

This validates the fact that we have all sinned and no one is clean of it. Then why we hate one another. why there are too many violences and attrocites and why some people are too poor and others to rich. The cause of all is our lack of understanding one another.