Female Super-"Heroes"

[Lote-Tree]

Just following on from women and men losing their feminity and masculinity. I wonder what the members think of the quite recent trend of "Commando-Women" depicted in movies, cartoons, tv serials where the women looks and is thin like a super-model with gravity defying boobs and full make up but fights like Arnie Swachesnegger! I am talking about females leads that appear in Lara Croft, Resident Evil, Aeon Flux, Electra etc...

Is this a sign of women empowering themselves?

Are they just "eye-candy" - to use a term from the rap world to get men part with their money? Is this a real trend of women empowerment in our societies?

What say you?

[TheFifthElement]

I am talking about females leads that appear in Lara Croft, Resident Evil, Aeon Flux, Electra etc...

Is this a sign of women empowering themselves?

Are they just "eye-candy"

Definitely just eye-candy, which is why the films quoted are so rubbish. More male titillation, which is why Tomb Raider made it to the screen in the first place wasn't it?

[Lote-Tree]

Definitely just eye-candy, which is why the films quoted are so rubbish. More male titillation, which is why Tomb Raider made it to the screen in the first place wasn't it?

But Lara Croft was popular in the Tomb Raider games series without the movie. And remeber Lara Croft was created by a women:-)

Edit: What then of Riply in Aliens? And Kathyrn Janeway?

[TheFifthElement]

But Lara Croft was popular in the Tomb Raider games series without the movie. And remeber Lara Croft was created by a women:-)

Lara Croft was made popular with male gamers. Because men were so busy fantasising about some pixels in a computer game they made Angelina Jolie in her image. That's why she's so characterless now. She was an actress once you know.

The invention of Lara Croft is credited to Toby Gard, who would probably be upset if he knew you thought he was a woman ;)


Edit: What then of Riply in Aliens? And Kathyrn Janeway?

Kathryn Janeway - Commando-woman :lol:

Ripley isn't a modern phenomenon, not by the standards you set in the OP. Alien was made in 1979 you know, that means it's nearly as old as me!!!

[Hyacinth42]

Well, you're listing action heroes, none of them (with the exception of electra) are "super heroes". It always seemed that there were almost no orignial /good female super heroes... I mean come on, can you name one other than electra (female x-men don't count)?

So, I think it's cool that there are now "Commando-Women" who can be the original/good "super-heroes" that we never had.

[papayahed]

Well, you're listing action heroes, none of them (with the exception of electra) are "super heroes". It always seemed that there were almost no orignial /good female super heroes... I mean come on, can you name one other than electra (female x-men don't count)?


Wonder Woman, Jayna............ok, that's all I have.:(

[NikolaiI]

That girl in "Bulletproof Monk," the "Bad girl" becomes a superhero at the end, sort of.

[mtpspur]

If I may, besides Wonder Woman from DC Comics there is Black Canary, who has been around a l-o-n-g time but has finally come into her own via the Birds of Prey comics from DC. Ignore the short lived TV series. Any issue by Gail Simone is worth a reread.

Dark Horse comics published a character called Ghost (think Demi Moore in White with guns) but if you read the series from the beginning you get the 'cliche' angry young lady who evolves over the course of the series into a well rounded and deep character. The eye candy is freely admitted but there is depth in those characters.

That doesn't begin to cover Sue Storm from the Fantastic Four, Storm from the X-Men, and Spider-Girl from Marvel.

[SleepyWitch]

Edit: What then of Riply in Aliens? And Kathyrn Janeway?

hahahaha, Janeway :) I wouldn't exactly compare her to Lara Croft etc...
she's definitely not a super-hero like Batman etc... but on the other hand she's much cooler than one of those silly heroes: she's a middle-aged women, not really what you'd call eye-candy (although some die-hard VOY fans seem to think so:lol: ), she's a rounded, realistic character, she's damn tough and she runs her own ship.
now there's a role model for little girls :) so who needs super-heroes?

[AimusSage]

Even though I thought a female captain was a good idea for Star Trek, Janeway never quite measured up to her potential as a captain. Sure she did some great things, but overall, what she did was either over the top, or downright stupid. It's a good thing Kim always managed to come up with a particle of the week to save Voyager, or it would have been one short run.
Voyager is the weakest of the TNG shows. I'm not even sure what I think is worse, Voyager or Enterprise.

[Lote-Tree]

None mentioned Buffy the Vampire Slayer?
She is kickass gal?

[TheFifthElement]

None mentioned Buffy the Vampire Slayer?
She is kickass gal?

eye candy ;)

[Lote-Tree]

who would probably be upset if he knew you thought he was a woman ;)


Sorry I am must be misinformed on this.



Kathryn Janeway - Commando-woman :lol:


She has a command of a starship :D




Ripley isn't a modern phenomenon, not by the standards you set in the OP. Alien was made in 1979 you know, that means it's nearly as old as me!!!

Yep but we are seeing her types appearing more on our screens.


Well, you're listing action heroes, none of them (with the exception of electra) are "super heroes".


That is why I put "heroes" in commas :D


Wonder Woman, Jayna............ok, that's all I have.:(

Come Paypy - Buffy? She-Ra? Rogue, Storm? Superwomen? :D


And in Computer games countless examples including those lovely girls in Dead or Alive :D

[Nightshade]

Voyager is the weakest of the TNG shows. I'm not even sure what I think is worse, Voyager or Enterprise.

Too true. Never actually could get into Enterprise Id just switch on for the opening song. And deep space 9 was ruined by that woman, when she and the melting guy fell in love it just all turned into mush.

Actually I cant think of a single decent female charchter from star trek except maybe for seven .

[Granny5]

The female super heros are real women trying to live the best life
they can under some pretty hard conditions.
How about a woman with seven kids trying to raise them on her own
after her husband leaves her for her best friend? She is pregnant with the youngest when he leaves. When the courts
award her a whole $45 a week in child support, she feels like she’s
won the lottery. But then the checks start bouncing. She supports
her family, while living with her mother in a two bedroom house,
by doing farm work in season and cleaning house for the well off
folks in town. Charity buys her wood and coal to heat the house,
She goes 15 years without a new coat because buying herself one will
take away from the kids. As the children get older, they start to work
and help but they also leave home when they are old enough
to find work that pays well. She scrimps and saves every dime and
quarter to give her children a life. She washes on a wringer type
washing machine and everything is hung on the line to dry even on
the coldest winter days. She loves and cares for all of her children
like they were the most precious things on earth. Each grows to
adulthood safely and become good citizens. Then, the day before
the youngest turns 18, she is finds out she has cancer and dies
6 months later. And she is not bitter, but thankful that she lived
long enough to see her youngest become an adult.
That’s a super hero. That’s my Mom. That's my super hero.

[SleepyWitch]

Even though I thought a female captain was a good idea for Star Trek, Janeway never quite measured up to her potential as a captain. Sure she did some great things, but overall, what she did was either over the top, or downright stupid. It's a good thing Kim always managed to come up with a particle of the week to save Voyager, or it would have been one short run.
Voyager is the weakest of the TNG shows. I'm not even sure what I think is worse, Voyager or Enterprise.

VOY is not a TNG show :) TNG=TNG, DS9=DS9, VOY=VOY :)

yeah, you're right, I don't like VOY either and Janeway is definitely not the best Starfleet Captain, but I still like the idea of a female, middle-aged, non-eye-candy captain better than female super-heros in catsuits

[motherhubbard]

The female super heros are real women trying to live the best life
they can under some pretty hard conditions.
How about a woman with seven kids trying to raise them on her own
after her husband leaves her for her best friend? She is pregnant with the youngest when he leaves. When the courts
award her a whole $45 a week in child support, she feels like she’s
won the lottery. But then the checks start bouncing. She supports
her family, while living with her mother in a two bedroom house,
by doing farm work in season and cleaning house for the well off
folks in town. Charity buys her wood and coal to heat the house,
She goes 15 years without a new coat because buying herself one will
take away from the kids. As the children get older, they start to work
and help but they also leave home when they are old enough
to find work that pays well. She scrimps and saves every dime and
quarter to give her children a life. She washes on a wringer type
washing machine and everything is hung on the line to dry even on
the coldest winter days. She loves and cares for all of her children
like they were the most precious things on earth. Each grows to
adulthood safely and become good citizens. Then, the day before
the youngest turns 18, she is finds out she has cancer and dies
6 months later. And she is not bitter, but thankful that she lived
long enough to see her youngest become an adult.
That’s a super hero. That’s my Mom. That's my super hero.



:bawling: mine too, and you!

[Granny5]

:bawling: mine too, and you!

suck up!!!

[AimusSage]

VOY is not a TNG show :) TNG=TNG, DS9=DS9, VOY=VOY :)
I was talking about the time period. 24th vs 23th vs 22nd century. Although Voyager took timetravel as a day to day activity to pass the time, so heh, the show is as much 29th century as it is 24th century TNG era.


yeah, you're right, I don't like VOY either and Janeway is definitely not the best Starfleet Captain, but I still like the idea of a female, middle-aged, non-eye-candy captain better than female super-heros in catsuits
Like Seven of Nine. :D

On a general note, I think the best female superheroes are from the X-men universe.

[Scheherazade]

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/6492/4810jq2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Lote-Tree]

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/6492/4810jq2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

A picture worth a thousand super-heroes?

[barbara0207]

The female super heros are real women trying to live the best life
they can under some pretty hard conditions.
How about a woman with seven kids trying to raise them on her own
after her husband leaves her for her best friend? She is pregnant with the youngest when he leaves. When the courts
award her a whole $45 a week in child support, she feels like she’s
won the lottery. But then the checks start bouncing. She supports
her family, while living with her mother in a two bedroom house,
by doing farm work in season and cleaning house for the well off
folks in town. Charity buys her wood and coal to heat the house,
She goes 15 years without a new coat because buying herself one will
take away from the kids. As the children get older, they start to work
and help but they also leave home when they are old enough
to find work that pays well. She scrimps and saves every dime and
quarter to give her children a life. She washes on a wringer type
washing machine and everything is hung on the line to dry even on
the coldest winter days. She loves and cares for all of her children
like they were the most precious things on earth. Each grows to
adulthood safely and become good citizens. Then, the day before
the youngest turns 18, she is finds out she has cancer and dies
6 months later. And she is not bitter, but thankful that she lived
long enough to see her youngest become an adult.
That’s a super hero. That’s my Mom. That's my super hero.


Granny, you made me cry in front of the screen. What a woman!

[Virgil]

Even though I thought a female captain was a good idea for Star Trek.

A female captain for Star Trek??? Sacrilege! Star Trek is a macho show. You can't beat the machoness of Captain Kirk. :)

http://troubledscience.com/images/WSbw.jpg


:p :p

[AimusSage]

Don't make me pull out some of his incredible fight scenes though! :lol:

[SleepyWitch]

A female captain for Star Trek??? Sacrilege! Star Trek is a macho show. You can't beat the machoness of Captain Kirk. :)

hahaha, you can't beat his dumbness, either :)
my bf and me watched The Search for Spock the other day (the 3rd movie), where it takes Kirk forever to figure out that Spock did a mindmelt with McCoy and transferred all his memories and his soul to McCoy before he died...
note that the sequence of events is as follows:
1. McCoy goes nuts and forces his way into Spock's quarters.
2. Kirk meets him there and McCoy says "You left me on Genesis. Why?... take me to Mt. Seleya on Vulcan" (or something along those lines)
3. Kirk says "there's a good boy" and goes off to strut around stupidly for a bit.
4. he meets Spock's father who hisses at him for leaving Spock on Genesis. Spocks father thinks Kirk has got Spock's soul. Kirk denies this. They argue for a bit and do a mind melt. Spock's father learns that Kirk doesn't have Spock's mind/soul
5. they are puzzled. then they conclude someone else must have Spock's mind because he wouldn't have let it die.
6. Kirk is even more puzzled and can't think of anyone. They watch the CCTV tape of Spocks death. First time round, it goes too fast for Kirk. He doesn't even notice McCoy
7. Finally they play it in slow motion and with a sharp intake of breath - surprise, surprise, well I never, who wud of thunk- Iowa farm boy realizes that it's McCoy :crash: :crash: :crash:
baaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

[AimusSage]

But Sleepy, just to show you kirk is cool, watch this incredible fight scene on youtube! Check out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1eFdUSnaQM

and a little gif of a famous kirk wrestling move:
http://images.flabber.nl/kirkantor.gif

[Nightshade]

I dont like kirk whenever I see him I think of insects in peoples brain (shudder :cold: )

[TheFifthElement]

Honestly, the only decent Star Trek captain was Picard. Janeway had the annoying sanctimonious voice, Kirk was short and wooden, Cisco was arrogant and self-absorbed, and I couldn't disassociate Archer from Quantum Leap. Picard was ex-RSC for goodness sake, clearly floors the competition.

P.S. The Fifth Element is a true female super-hero!

[Lote-Tree]

P.S. The Fifth Element is a true female super-hero!

No Eye-Candy? :D


And yes Picard is the The Captain. He has Depth. Rest are just adolescents on hormones :D

[Nightshade]

Never actually seeing anything but the last 10 minutes of Fith element

Archer from quatum leep wasnt his name sam?

[AimusSage]

Picard was well written and even better acted. TNG is my favourite ST overall anyway.

Somehow we go from female superheroes to startrek captains,there must be a strong connection here.

[Lote-Tree]

Picard was well written and even better acted. TNG is my favourite ST overall anyway.

Somehow we go from female superheroes to startrek captains,there must be a strong connection here.

Is FifthElement Eye-Candy or not?

[Nightshade]

yupp tng was the best although again the women were seriously annoying there was the doctor...and then the brain reader lady.

Were their any women on sea quest? their was a dolphin...

[AimusSage]

Is FifthElement Eye-Candy or not?
Yes, Milla Jovovich is the eyecandy in a film where mostly lots of weird stuff goes on. It's an enjoyable film to watch.

[Lote-Tree]

Yes, Milla Jovovich is the eyecandy in a film where mostly lots of weird stuff goes on. It's an enjoyable film to watch.

And is Superman Eye-Candy for women?

[AimusSage]

And is Superman Eye-Candy for women?
I don't know, I'm not a woman, their minds work in mysterious ways. Besides, nothing wrong with eye-candy.

Which reminds me, Samus Aran is female, and the player only found out at the very end of the game she was, up till then she was in her suit. Ofcourse now there are also newer metroid games, but I think Samus qualifies as a superhero, she's female,and not eye-candy in terms of sexyness.

[Nightshade]

who is Samus Aran?

[AimusSage]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samus_Aran

video game character, very famous amongst nintendo fanboys and overall protagonist of high quality games for nintendo gaming systems.

[Lote-Tree]

I don't know, I'm not a woman, their minds work in mysterious ways.


Ha ha ha :D

You are going to get slated by the women now!!! :D



Besides, nothing wrong with eye-candy.


I like both. Eye-Candy and Mind-Candy. Perhaps I am just Greedy :D

[AimusSage]

Ha ha ha :D

You are going to get slated by the women now!!! :D
Probably yeah, but it will be worth it :)




I like both. Eye-Candy and Mind-Candy. Perhaps I am just Greedy :Dtrue, two is better than one, and a woman is a 100 times more atractive if she's also intelligent, and not just pleasing on the eyes.

Same goes for superheroes of the female variety.

[Lote-Tree]

[QUOTE=AimusSage;437510]Probably yeah, but it will be worth it :)

lol :D you like to live dangerously don't you :D

Wonder Women Ultimate Men's Eye-Candy?

[AimusSage]

lol :D you like to live dangerously don't you :D

Wonder Women Ultimate Men's Eye-Candy?
Unfortunately, she has the dullest, most boring superhero name ever devised for a female super hero.

[Lote-Tree]

Unfortunately, she has the dullest, most boring superhero name ever devised for a female super hero.

What do you think she should be called?

Lassonoator? :D

I have just thought of some wonderfully smutty names...but I shall not write them down.here on this forum :D

[AimusSage]

What do you think she should be called?

Lassonoator? :D

I have just thought of some wonderfully smutty names...but I shall not write them down.here on this forum :D
I think they should have called her Bob.

[Lote-Tree]

I think they should have called her Bob.

I think you have been watching too much Black Adder :D

[AimusSage]

haha, that's true too, although I wasn't actually thinking of those particular Bob's. :D

[Lote-Tree]

haha, that's true too, although I wasn't actually thinking of those particular Bob's. :D

Oh no!!! :D I did not get that - slow me :D

[TheFifthElement]

So, after much debate about Star Trek it appears that there are no female super-heroes that are not also eye candy.

Does this mean that super powers can create eye candy?

[Lote-Tree]

So, after much debate about Star Trek it appears that there are no female super-heroes that are not also eye candy.

Does this mean that super powers can create eye candy?

Janeway is no Eye-Candy! :D

[TheFifthElement]

Janeway is no Eye-Candy! :D


No, but she hasn't got super powers either.

[Lote-Tree]

No, but she hasn't got super powers either.

Neither did batman...he had gadgets...and so did Janeway...Photon Torpedoes :D

[TheFifthElement]

Neither did batman...he had gadgets...and so did Janeway...Photon Torpedoes :D

or Harry Kim, whichever ;)

I wouldn't class Batman as a super hero, rather a comic-book hero or action hero. If we're talking action heroes too I still wouldn't class Janeway as this, she kind of just sat in a chair most of the time. Action definitely wasn't her thing.

Reading back through this thread I am getting worried. Are we all geeks on this site?!

[Lote-Tree]

or Harry Kim, whichever ;)

I wouldn't class Batman as a super hero, rather a comic-book hero or action hero.


He is classed as a Super Hero :D



If we're talking action heroes too I still wouldn't class Janeway as this, she kind of just sat in a chair most of the time. Action definitely wasn't her thing.


Don't take movement for action! :D



Reading back through this thread I am getting worried. Are we all geeks on this site?!

I don't mind being called a Geek. Geek is an highly intelligent person who knows exactly what he wants. A Nerd is a social outcast :D

All for Geek :D
Geeks have conqured the modern world :D