Existence: cosmic soup.

[blazeofglory]

Existence is the essence. The rest is its shadow. What we call religion is a facade, an outer, and after a certain phase, or if man has to undergo a particular phase the impact of religion fades, and he will be totally irreligious and he will break with religious values, with traditional values and he will yield to his primitive instincts. And then all that remains of him is no morality, no ethics, no religiosity, no, spirituality. He will yield to animal propensities. Live and beget or regenerate. Existence, and sheer existence, his existence and his progenies'.

We coordinate; we fight; we save; we kill; we love; we depart. Existence does everything,the cosmic drama goes eternally, and we are mere players on the stage. Existence permeates and we feel we exist,and when it leaves we do not feel we live. But we are manifestations of existence and the ego fades. Existence remains.

This is really an intricate question. This calls for contemplation. There are veneers of truth and they deserve removal. we must plumb the depth or the kernel of truth. Existence is the essence.

God? Heaven? Sermons? They are outers and when the kernel manifests these externals have to give way or cede. For there is no truth beyond existence. The beginning and end of everything is existence.

Did we exist before this life? We did in point of fact. We existed in different forms, in the form of other elements. Maybe in the form of soil, air, water, light or any other. For existence is permanent and eternal.All amalgamated ingeniously and subtly and we are born. Who did it? Existence. Sheer existence and nothing else. You can call it God. But never a mythological god, not a biblical or Hindu orthodoxy god. Maybe pagans’ concept of God can have a sense, for they are close to nature. Existential / natural forces are their reverend Gods.

Those who believe in the philosophy of existence do not indulge in warfare but in welfare of one and all. They believe in coexistence.

To have conviction in existence as facts or truths one needs not withdraw from religiosity, and faiths in entities. All he must be convinced of is existence supersedes every other ideal.

This is not to subscribe to Sartre’s ideologies, for no ideologies work here. Ideologies clash but existence coordinates.

Existence is rooted in the belief that all entities, even animal beings must have the right to existence. Existence is the ultimate truth. This is against wars, conflicts. Ideologies, religious beliefs, values are in perpetual conflicts.

Existence reveres religious, moral and ethical values so long as they do not pose threat to existence on earth. And once that becomes a menace to existence it should be discarded.

Existence at times is un-manifest and we, including all animate an inanimate beuings are its manifestations.

Existence is cosmic soup. Drunk with cosmic soup brewd by existence.

[Mr. Dr. Ralph]

Existence is the essence.

Very good. That substance/brahman/energy exists in itself is its essence.

[blazeofglory]

Very good. That substance/brahman/energy exists in itself is its essence.

Dr. Ralph, I feel that, existentially speaking, all of us are bred in a big pan, the universe, and no matter where we are all of us are simply bubbles and very temporal and our existence is totally meaningless.

Yet we are not simply things that are created through chemical combinations and that we all evaporate into nothingness or void. I can not subscribe to this idea at all.

After this life we can relive in unity and in unison. This is a very subtle matter. No reading of philosophy or any other things can give a blaze of truth. Maybe some sacred texts can. Yet I through meditations feel like this at times and I do not know.

I simply can not agree we will be finished up after this life as some materialistically oriented people become argumentative.

[Mr. Dr. Ralph]

Yet we are not simply things that are created through chemical combinations and that we all evaporate into nothingness or void. I can not subscribe to this idea at all.

We are easily and somewhat usefully described as such, but recall that science is more or less a study of models. Ideas and concepts such as atomic theory, mass/energy, forces and even calculus are constructs, and absolutely not designed to reflect or procure demonstrable truth. That being said, I do not subscribe to that idea either.

Nevertheless, I do very much take that position when communicating in a particular context. To assert that "we" are anything absolutely neglects that humans, or for that matter anything, are logically inseparable from nature. This position makes pretty clear that humans are not fundamentally different or otherwise independent from the aforementioned substance/brahman/space-time.

I do not claim that we evaporate into nothingness or void, but instead that we are now and have always been substance, and confusion and misery come from identification of the self. There is no such thing as the self, only substance/brahman/space-time (there are so many words for it...)


After this life we can relive in unity and in unison. This is a very subtle matter. No reading of philosophy or any other things can give a blaze of truth. Maybe some sacred texts can. Yet I through meditations feel like this at times and I do not know.

It is in this context that I will take the position that life is nothing more than a chemical process. As I stated probably a million times on this forum, life is a particular instance of thermodynamics. Life and death don't exist.


I simply can not agree we will be finished up after this life as some materialistically oriented people become argumentative.

From posts outside this thread you've shown that you find this division between me, you, and the materialistically oriented is illusory. Why, then, do you believe that there is such a thing as "finished"?

If I recall correctly, you once wrote that English is not your first language. Unfortunately, this subject matter heavily depends on the words we choose; I apologize if I am not writing or construing your posts intelligibly.

[blazeofglory]

We are easily and somewhat usefully described as such, but recall that science is more or less a study of models. Ideas and concepts such as atomic theory, mass/energy, forces and even calculus are constructs, and absolutely not designed to reflect or procure demonstrable truth. That being said, I do not subscribe to that idea either.

Nevertheless, I do very much take that position when communicating in a particular context. To assert that "we" are anything absolutely neglects that humans, or for that matter anything, are logically inseparable from nature. This position makes pretty clear that humans are not fundamentally different or otherwise independent from the aforementioned substance/brahman/space-time.

I do not claim that we evaporate into nothingness or void, but instead that we are now and have always been substance, and confusion and misery come from identification of the self. There is no such thing as the self, only substance/brahman/space-time (there are so many words for it...)



It is in this context that I will take the position that life is nothing more than a chemical process. As I stated probably a million times on this forum, life is a particular instance of thermodynamics. Life and death don't exist.



From posts outside this thread you've shown that you find this division between me, you, and the materialistically oriented is illusory. Why, then, do you believe that there is such a thing as "finished"?

If I recall correctly, you once wrote that English is not your first language. Unfortunately, this subject matter heavily depends on the words we choose; I apologize if I am not writing or construing your posts intelligibly.

That life and death do not exist is an idea I subscribe to. This is what the Vedas are trying prove. What we call life and death are simply processes or phases. As we are part of this universe and the universe is the manifestation of some entity whether we call it God or the source of all consciousness or energies or whatver we call.

Existence is there always and we are simply upshots or phases or results. Man never dies and death is only a change, a transformation.

Some quivers, trembles or tumults are what we call life. When we were born all we assimilated were substances of this universe in their refined forms and when we die the universe absorbs everything. This endorses the fact that there is nothing called death.

There was existence, there is existence, and there will be existence. Existence transcend all limits.

[NikolaiI]

I think our essence is the unformed, or air basically. But if we say life and death don't exist, couldn't this pave the way towards suicide? The argument against suicide is that it hurts people. But if we say we do not necessarily know it will hurt people, if we try to calculate it or guess it by intuition, we cannot. And why is there not the possibility that our death would trigger a world-wide change for the better? We believe such change is possible. Oh well.

[blazeofglory]

I think our essence is the unformed, or air basically. But if we say life and death don't exist, couldn't this pave the way towards suicide? The argument against suicide is that it hurts people. But if we say we do not necessarily know it will hurt people, if we try to calculate it or guess it by intuition, we cannot. And why is there not the possibility that our death would trigger a world-wide change for the better? We believe such change is possible. Oh well.

No, Nikolai I, man is formed of many substances, physically speaking and in the east it is called Pancha Tatwa, in its equivalent translation it is five elements. But how five elements cohere. What force is there? What forces hold this universe with so many planets and stars. There is some force. The force that integrates different elements into a physical structure is a unit force and the one unit force outsources to is the cosmic force.

Therefore, even if man dies and the substances that are cohered through a cohesive force will be disintegrated, or go back their original forms. Water into water, fire into fire, air into air and the like. What remains of man is a force and this too goes back to the original place.

Then, tell me where is death? Death and life is composition and decomposition or degeneration or regeneration. It is cyclical.
If this decomposition is not there in nature how can all have space?

Maybe what we call mysticism is something that seeks for the cord that strings all of us.

Life and death are simply phases. Both do not exist. If they do only in words.