Sins are Subjective?

[RoCKiTcZa]

Does any one of you believe that sins are subjective?

[Bakiryu]

I don't believe in sins but


"The Wiccan Rede


Bide within the Law you must, in perfect Love and perfect Trust.
Live you must and let to live, fairly take and fairly give.


Light of eye and soft of touch, speak you little, listen much.
Honor the Old Ones in deed and name,
let love and light be our guides again.

Mind the Three-fold Laws you should three times bad and three times good.
When misfortune is enow wear the star upon your brow.


These Eight words the Rede fulfill:

"An Ye Harm None, Do What Ye Will"

[MaryLupin]

I think the fact that one man's sin is another's hot date says that defining sin is a subjective process. Especially if one considers what she (the variable sinner and hot date) thinks about the 2 men judging her. I bet if we could read her mind we'd get a whole new perspective on the content of "sin."

[Redzeppelin]

Without a belief in God, the concept of "sin" is meaningless; as such, if we start with the given that God is real and the Bible is the authority on His character, then we do have some sort of objective idea as to what "sin" is and is not. Once you invalidate the Bible and the objective morality that it puts forth, well the concept of "sin" becomes fully subjective, and therefore, meaningless.

[NikolaiI]

Interesting that I was just reading about the meaning that is meaningless. I don't like the concepts of sin or original sin. For me they sort of impurify morality, or objective morality, and virtue. I mean why even consider the bad like that? I prefer to look at it in terms of wholesome and unwholesome, and pure and impure. Therefore, good and wholesome thoughts are good for you, and healthy, while unwholesome thoughts are actually bad for you. They're not sin, nor are we inherently unhealthy, incomplete, or unwholesome. So sin like everything is subjective, in that each person makes their own mind about it, but not meaningless. Even without God it is not meaningless: the Buddha teaches us we suffer because of our unwholesome thinking and actions; like, it is traumatic. So that is a meaning. I would also say that our subjective opinions of sin come from our conscience.

[Shield&Sword]

Being a human mean more than eating and sleeping (animals). Sins are things that the normal human hate, there is something inside him that refuse that act, like killing, pedophals (who abuse kids), being drunk, beating without reason, injustice, stealing. No one "like" these acts, every one believe they are "wrong", the believers and non believers. The concept of sin is believing that some acts are wrong, its not subjective.
If we consider sining something that depend on culture then Hitler didnt act wrongly when he killed 3 million Jews, when in a country women are sold then its not wrong because in that culture its not wrong its a normal thing, and after you decided sinning is subjective then you cant judge the behavior of others, and you cant "punish" someone if he act wrongly "according you" while he consider that act "right act".
God say in Quran "Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (Scriptures) - in the Law and the Gospel - for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil"
Subjective is wrong word, its word that teach people to mix right with wrong and wrong with right, no wonder that Mao after being a Darwinist decided that any one who doesnt agree with him then he is a mistake of evolution and must die.
For those who say that sin is subjective i think they will change thier mind if they are ruled by people who refuse the concept of "wrong" or "sin".

[NikolaiI]

Sword and Shield, subjective doesn't mean that no one has an idea of right or wrong; it means that we acknowledge that each person has their own idea, and we have to work together to come up with a common understanding. Thanks to language and philosophy (oh, we owe those so much, don't we?) we have ideas such as platonic, objective, truth, stuff like that- therefore, we have the whole realm of morality. But it has been a very bumpy ride.

If we say right and wrong are subjective, we might still believe they are objective. I don't know- and what did you mean about selling women in slavery?

[Logos]

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