Surrealism and Art-??

[Mortis Anarchy]

:) Okay, here we go. For all of those who have been asking to see some of my 'doodles' here you go. Warning, its not anything like buildings or flowers or whatever...some of it is, but for the most part a lot of my stuff is very surreal. Let me know what you think, and if any of you know of art magazines or whatever that I can publish some of my art in, please let me know. I'm trying to get my name out there.;)

oh and I will update with more as I go.:D
Red Paint base with black charcoal and white Prismacolors.
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb170/Victor_yAna/0706280218262.jpg

Pencil-Skull and Roses
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb170/Victor_yAna/070628021938.jpg

India Ink with Water-Bleary Girl
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb170/Victor_yAna/Art/070628021848.jpg

Acrylic Paint over different kinds of Papers(Newspaper, billboard, brown bag..etc) **most recent painting**
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb170/Victor_yAna/Art/0706280225322.jpg

Pencil-only top half of the drawing
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb170/Victor_yAna/Art/070628022238.jpg

Pastels
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb170/Victor_yAna/Art/0706280224082.jpg

[Virgil]

Excellent!!! Excellent Mortis. :) :) I'm impressed. I like the first one especially, but all are creative and intense.

[XY&Z]

4 & 5 my fave.
I wanted to ask you (when you posted in Who u are in pics) but here is the answer.
I am not artist and I don't know why I like these two but I do. :)
Anyhow, I would like to have them in my living room.
And yes, great, great job. I do hope you get your name out there and get some attention.

[Video Drone]

I like them. I love this kind of stuff.

[Lily Adams]

THOSE ARE POSITIVELY AMAZING.

Please post more! You are a superb artist!

Surrealism is pretty awesome, from what I've seen of it. I really should look more into it.

[applepie]

The first and fourth ones are my favorites. Hopefully the site I sent you can help out, otherwise I still recommend looking into local galleries or maybe see if you can hang some at different businesses to have them on display. Find the type of people interested in your art (demographics and other interests) and then see if you can place it in areas that they would frequent and also see if they will carry business cards in case anyone asks about it. Anyway, now my marketing major is talking, but I think you really have some talent and I wish you luck.

[kiobe]

You can ask to hang them at clubs and resturants but make sure you get some kind of contract so if they "disapear" you get compensated. I might be able to help you with framing.

[andave_ya]

wow! nicw going, mortis!

[barbara0207]

I'm really impressed. I like your most recent painting best, I think - well, on second thought, er I can't make my mind up, they're all very good, but I don't like #1 and #3 as much as the others.

You're a real artist. Please give us more.

BTW, I don't think the term surreal applies to all of them.

[Mortis Anarchy]

I'm really impressed. I like your most recent painting best, I think - well, on second thought, er I can't make my mind up, they're all very good, but I don't like #1 and #3 as much as the others.

You're a real artist. Please give us more.

BTW, I don't think the term surreal applies to all of them.

No, my earlier drawings/sketches/doodles(Whateva!) they revolved around music...musicians etc. Then in my 8th grade art class, I saw a painting done by Salvador Dali...I could stop reading about him or his ideas and his art. I was infatuated...but I didn't really start then. It kind of came out, eyes...thats the big focus in most of my work.

[Mortis Anarchy]

Okay...I'm putting up some of my older sketches...these aren't very surreal...they just make me smile.:)
The Full Image of the Cello Player-(Has anyone seen Truly Madly Deeply?)
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb170/Victor_yAna/Art/AlanRickmanCello.jpg

This one I call Jimmy Page's OH Face
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb170/Victor_yAna/Art/JimmyPageohface.jpg

Pre-Coconut Tree;) -Keith Richards
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb170/Victor_yAna/Art/KeithRichards.jpg

Another one of Keith
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb170/Victor_yAna/Art/KeithWave.jpg

Jimi Hendrix-actually one a local recognition prize for this one in the 8th grade...I don't think its one of my best though.
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb170/Victor_yAna/Art/JimiAmbiant.jpg

One of my favorites...Mick Jagger
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb170/Victor_yAna/Art/MickJagger2.jpg

Oh, and btw, they look a lot less grainy in person...or when you actually see them...

[Virgil]

Oh I love your pictures of the Stones. You just hit a note in my heart. :) Did you know that Ronnie Wood was also an artist. He's the other guitarist for the Stones. You can read about it here: http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/entertainment/2007-06/18/content_896506.htm.
And see some of his prints here: http://www.ronniewood.com/ronnie_content.html

[Mortis Anarchy]

Oh I love your pictures of the Stones. You just hit a note in my heart. :) Did you know that Ronnie Wood was also an artist. He's the other guitarist for the Stones. You can read about it here: http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/entertainment/2007-06/18/content_896506.htm.
And see some of his prints here: http://www.ronniewood.com/ronnie_content.html

OH!!! I love his art! My dad for my...14th? Birthday, well he got me three books...As Told By the Rolling Stones(thats where the Mick Jagger Pic came from!), Secret Life of Salvador Dali (Interesting!), and a book of Ronnie Woods prints...he is really good.

[barbara0207]

The cello player and your *most recent work* are really great because you created a very dense and convincing atmosphere that appealed to me at once. :thumbs_up
I don't like your drawings of the pop musicians that much because to me they just show, well, pop stars.

So I'd like to see more of the first category if possible. :)

[Nossa]

Wow!! Very nice drawings!! Please post more! I love the first one in the second collection. Great!

[Niamh]

Glad you put them up! they are amazing! I absolutely love you acrylic on paper! More More more!!!!

[Mortis Anarchy]

The cello player and your *most recent work* are really great because you created a very dense and convincing atmosphere that appealed to me at once. :thumbs_up
I don't like your drawings of the pop musicians that much because to me they just show, well, pop stars.

So I'd like to see more of the first category if possible. :)

Well, to tell you the truth, if it wasn't for classic rock and experimental rock or whatever, I probably wouldn't be where I am with my art/doodles. I really just put them up just to show my transition...I guess my 'growth'...

They were my biggest influence when I was starting out...music in general.

[barbara0207]

Well, to tell you the truth, if it wasn't for classic rock and experimental rock or whatever, I probably wouldn't be where I am with my art/doodles. I really just put them up just to show my transition...I guess my 'growth'...


Ah, that's why the other ones seem so much more mature. There's nothing wrong with drawing pop stars if you get the atmosphere right. You're right, art and music go together well.

Have you tried to get art galleries interested? I don't know how these things work over in your country, but if you go there (in person) and show them some samples they might want to buy something.

[Mortis Anarchy]

Ah, that's why the other ones seem so much more mature. There's nothing wrong with drawing pop stars if you get the atmosphere right. You're right, art and music go together well.

Have you tried to get art galleries interested? I don't know how these things work over in your country, but if you go there (in person) and show them some samples they might want to buy something.

I live in a place where there aren't a whole lot of art galleries...and the ones that we do have, well, I don't feel like my stuff would fit in. I don't want to place my stuff in a place that I don't feel like I fit in, cause my art is a part of me...and this sounds weird, but it wouldn't feel right either. I've been trying to find out if there are any cool little retro/alternative places that would want to have my stuff hanging there...there is a shoe place, The Shoe Gypsy, this girl at my old highschool, she was amazing, anyways, she has a lot of her paintings hanging there, but she may know the people. I'll give it a try though. I'll post somemore surreal/newer pieces soon.

[Mortis Anarchy]

Here yah go. Somemore surreal/weird doodles!
This one began as an accident.:)
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb170/Victor_yAna/Art/smear.jpg

I was a tad bit angry with a friend.
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb170/Victor_yAna/Art/Sadistic.jpg

Not quite finished...it needs something in the top right corner.
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb170/Victor_yAna/Art/blueflower.jpg

[Niamh]

Christ! you really are a very talented person Mort! They are just as amazing as anything by Piccasso.

[stlukesguild]

Have you tried to get art galleries interested? I don't know how these things work over in your country, but if you go there (in person) and show them some samples they might want to buy something.

SLG- Galleries very rarely "buy" art with the exception of taking something on consignment that they absolutely believe they will have no difficulty selling. Often print works by established "blue-chip" artists (Warhol, Dali, Picasso) may be marketed in smaller markets in this manner. Largely a gallery is a venue where art is displayed with the understanding that the money from any sales will be split between the artist and gallery (often 50-50) with the artist putting up all the costs for delivery and proper presentation (framing) and the gallery footing the bill for advertizing, postage, rent and utilities, etc...

I live in a place where there aren't a whole lot of art galleries...and the ones that we do have, well, I don't feel like my stuff would fit in. I don't want to place my stuff in a place that I don't feel like I fit in, cause my art is a part of me...and this sounds weird, but it wouldn't feel right either. I've been trying to find out if there are any cool little retro/alternative places that would want to have my stuff hanging there...

SLG- It is important that you are alert to whether your art would fit in to a given gallery or other venue. A mismatch between the gallery and the artist can be bad all the way around. As a working artist myself I will offer you the following criticism (in the artistic sense): your strongest pieces (IMO) are the portrait of Mick Jagger and the image created when you were "a tad bit angry with a friend"... although I find the technique of the ink wash drawing to be quite nice as well. The reason I find these the strongest is that they look the most finished and they display the best sense of having thought about the composition... they fill the space well. Just as a poet must deal with the structure of a poem and utilizes elements of repetition, contrast, etc... so are the elements of a good work of art well thought out... often consciously... and later unconsciously as an artist becomes more experienced.

Before you begin to think about professionally exhibitting your work I would suggest you think about a couple of issues. First of all there is the romantic notion of your art being part of you. certainly every artist is attatched to his or her art, but when an artist begins to think of working professionally the creation of art must be in many ways no different than the work of any other career. Indeed, most working artists do not work like the romantic notion of the poet... writing only when inspired. rather, it is a 9-5 job... or in the case that they have a second career that pays the bills it still involves a regular work schedule... even when not "inspired".

The second thing I would suggest you think about is the need for the proper professional "context" for any work of art to be displayed. In many cases a painting on canvas or bronze sculpture can stand on its own, but drawing is a different issue. You must make the audience believe in the "seriousness" of your efforts. In some cases this is brought about by the highly finished surface or even grand scale:

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k255/Stlukesguild/HolyFamilysmall.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k255/Stlukesguild/Degas-Seatedbatherdryingherself1895.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k255/Stlukesguild/artist_kentr_drawing_typewriters_st.jpg

Such grand finished works can probably stand on their own... but even so I would probably assume that both the Leonardo Madonna and the Degas pastel would profit from a proper frame. Unfortunately, drawing is often thought of as a preliminary stage in preparation for the "real" art. Artists will make sketches and studies in preparation for a painting or sculpture:

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k255/Stlukesguild/8torso2sm.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k255/Stlukesguild/lf-4.gif

As wonderful as these may be they convey a certain lack of finish and fragility without the proper presentation. As an artist you must convince your audince that these are finished works to be taken seriously. Thus an abstract artist such as Antoni Tapies may present us with rapid calligraphic gestures:

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k255/Stlukesguild/10098small.jpg

... or the collagist, Kurt Schwitters can offer mere scraps of paper debris for our contemplation:

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k255/Stlukesguild/2200075sm.jpg

The professional presentation (Context is everything?) leads the audience to accept the work as serious or professional... even if they are not particularly drawn to it. Without the proper frame (under glass) one might rightly question whether the artist himself or herself thought that highly of the work... or whether it was nothing more but a personal "doodling" or working out of an idea.

In other words... if you are truly serious about showing your work:

1. Keep on making art
2. Take the time to look at the work of other (more experienced) artists... especially those whose work relates to your own
3. Take the time to research what is expected by the galleries or other venues that might be interested in exhibitting your art
4. Take both criticisms and kudos with a large grain of salt. If you believe your good press then you must also believe the bad. Comments like the previous are great (Christ! you really are a very talented person Mort! They are just as amazing as anything by Piccasso.) but just might be a bit of an exaggeration.:lol:

[Niamh]

In other words... if you are truly serious about showing your work:

1. Keep on making art
2. Take the time to look at the work of other (more experienced) artists... especially those whose work relates to your own
3. Take the time to research what is expected by the galleries or other venues that might be interested in exhibitting your art
4. Take both criticisms and kudos with a large grain of salt. If you believe your good press then you must also believe the bad. Comments like the previous are great (Christ! you really are a very talented person Mort! They are just as amazing as anything by Piccasso.) but just might be a bit of an exaggeration.:lol:

I'm not the type to exaggerate Stlukesguild. I actually do genuinely think that or else i wouldn't have said it.:)

[barbara0207]

I'd agree to most things SLG said. But concerning the question which your best works are I differ. The mood in the one with the "angry tad" I would not have identified as anger if you hadn't labeled it. While the colours express the mood very well, the expression of the face does not. It rather looks as if the person is trying to hypnotize someone. The brows drawn high, the eyes are wide open, the person is staring the audience right in the face. The atmosphere is eerie and scary, one feels evil, witchcraft, madness perhaps. But that's just my opinion. :)

[Mortis Anarchy]

Well, I'm from the states, btw. Most of the stuff I have put up here aren't totally completed...I have thought of framing most of my better pieces, but the fact is, it costs money. I have put them in cheaper frames, but the presentation does not look as nice. That lack of money is the reason, or one of the reasons that I use mixed mediums, cause I can use whatever. Although I am attached to my drawings/paintings, its not something that would kill me if I had to part with one of them. I have sold/given some of them to friends, family members and to people that my parents have connections with. Nothing expensive, but its not something that would make me cry or contemplate suicide. I live in the midwest, so the majority of the art is folky/country/western or whatever. Drawing/painting for me wouldn't be a job. Its something that I wouldn't mind selling or donating or whatever, but it would be my only job. More of a higher level hobby, if that makes sense. Plus, I'm not looking for something on the grand scale, I realize that my art isn't nowhere near my idols are. I have a lot of learning and maturing to do before I would even consider myself to be an artist. You may have already noticed, but I don't call any of my pieces, art...I normally call them doodles or stuff or sketches or whatever. I appreciate your criticism as well as help Stlukesguild. As well as everyone elses who has replyed to this thread. Niamh, you are too kind!:D Seriously though, not even I would consider myself as good as Picasso, but regardless thanks for the ego boost!:D

Oh, and as for my Anger one...well the real title is 'Sadistic'...the colors represent my emotions at that time, but the overall face structure just kind of evolved. Sometimes that happens...

[barbara0207]

Most of the works you posted are not just "doodles". You shouldn't call them that. Meekness is not for artists. :D And now that you received so many ego boosts you can keep your head high above the crowd.

As for "Sadistic": That title fits very well. If it's that my feelings about the mood were rather correct. That means you can convey something to the audience - an ability that only few people have. :thumbs_up

[Mortis Anarchy]

A couple more. And you are right Barbara, I shouldn't call them doodles, but I don't feel accomplished enough in order to call them art. Perhaps once they are all framed and I stand back and say, "Hey, not bad!"

Pastels and Charcoal
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb170/Victor_yAna/Art/Dice.jpg

"Vanity"
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb170/Victor_yAna/Art/DandyTears.jpg

[barbara0207]

I like both, especially the first one. I feel sadness, boredom, longing. Was that what you felt?

[stlukesguild]

I'm not the type to exaggerate Stlukesguild. I actually do genuinely think that or else i wouldn't have said it.

Barbara, while such compliments are certainly an ego boost the danger is that they call the opinion of the critic into question. Its like a literary critic suggesting that the latest novelist is the next Shakespeare or the music critic comparing a recent pop song writer to Mozart. Picasso is almost unquestioned as the greatest and most influential artist of the 20th century and one of the 3 or 4 greatest artists of all time. At age 14 he could already paint like an old master:

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k255/Stlukesguild/opp95-04.jpg

By his late 20s Picasso had already given birth to Cubism and wrought a revolution in art unlike anything seen since the Renaissance. Picasso can be credited with the innovation of Cubism, collage, assemblage, the "found object", the constructivist approach to sculpture, etc... His innovations will lead the way to abstraction and his work in painting, drawing, collage, assemblage, printmaking, and ceramics (at the very least) will stand among the strongest in any of those art forms. Personally, I can find any number of pieces by Picasso which I would be proud to have equalled just once in my career:

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k255/Stlukesguild/3M1small.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k255/Stlukesguild/CraneCruchesmall.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k255/Stlukesguild/SteersSkullPabloPicassosmall.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k255/Stlukesguild/lesdemoisellessmall.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k255/Stlukesguild/GirlMirrorsmall.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k255/Stlukesguild/Family-of-Saltimbanquessmall.jpg

You are certainly correct that meekness is not for artists. Art demands a certain degree of ego... enough that we might continue to produce in the face of scathing criticism... still it also demands a certain degree of realism... enough that one is always open to learning and always realizes that their is someone better than ourselves whose achievements stand as a goal we might work toward.

[Mortis Anarchy]

I like both, especially the first one. I feel sadness, boredom, longing. Was that what you felt?

The first one began with a sketch that I had done during school my sophmore(?) year I believe. Then I just re-sketched it with charcoal and added white charcoal to give it more contrast. Then I did the background...you are right though, I was rather sad and bored at the same moment...but I was feeling rather good at the same time, if that makes sense.

The second one, I had just finished The Picture of Dorian Gray-Oscar Wilde, and was very interested in the French Revolution/Marie Antoinette etc. So it kind of came out as a person that looked rather vain, but was sad about something...

I have an ego, but I'm not one to make a big deal about it. I could care less what people thought of my paintings, if you like them great, if you don't thats okay too. I like them, they make me happy...thats all that really matters.

[JJLuke]

The ones I liked the most were the cello player, pastels and charcoal, began by accident, and still needs something on the right corner.

Anything can be considered art, its such a loose term. Do not be discouraged at all, keep on painting and never stop.

[tulysg1982]

Wow how artistic you are all!! I wish i could be a painter like you!

[Mortis Anarchy]

This one is actually a photograph, but I thought it came out pretty cool.

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb170/Victor_yAna/Art/FirePhotograph.jpg

Crybaby...;)
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb170/Victor_yAna/Art/tearlips.jpg

[Mortis Anarchy]

Wow, that bottom one looks a lot worse then when I first glanced at it the other day. Its not totally complete...

[dramasnot6]

WOW Mortis! These are OUTSTANDING! So soulful and dark...
You really deserve to get published, upon my return i will ask around about places to do so. some of my friends have gotten involved with youth organizations that pubilish ´up and coming´ artists, i think for people under 25,would you qualify?

[Mortis Anarchy]

WOW Mortis! These are OUTSTANDING! So soulful and dark...
You really deserve to get published, upon my return i will ask around about places to do so. some of my friends have gotten involved with youth organizations that pubilish ´up and coming´ artists, i think for people under 25,would you qualify?

Totally!!! That would be great!! I'll post my new paintings/sketches later tonight.

[barbara0207]

That would be really great if you could have your works published that way. I wish you luck. When I'm back in a fortnight I'll have a look at all the new things you posted. So long!

[Mortis Anarchy]

Product of anger and sadness and perfect honesty. I created them in this order(you might see a trend):

Watercolors, ink and matches.
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb170/Victor_yAna/Art/woodman.jpg
watercolors
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb170/Victor_yAna/Art/tearflowers.jpg
watercolors, acrylics and charcoal
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb170/Victor_yAna/Art/sunflowers.jpg
watercolors, acrylics and charcoal
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb170/Victor_yAna/Art/eyessssssssss.jpg
watercolors, acrylics and charcoal
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb170/Victor_yAna/Art/violetseyes.jpg

[Lily Adams]

I know I've already complimented on your artwork, but I have to do it again.

WOW. you are seriously one of the best artists I've ever seen. GREAT WORK. You should really get discovered or something.

Please post more! These last ones were really emotional.

[Mortis Anarchy]

They came from a pretty emotional and dark place...in case you couldn't tell.;)

I'll do my best, those are the most recent ones, and now I have to devote myself to a painting for my Grandmothers birthday. It has to be really good, and it has to be finished by next tuesday...so I'm kind of freaking out because I've never done anything religious, and she is very religious so my mom thought it would be nice to paint her a saint. Lets see how it goes!

[applepie]

Your second and last paintings in the series you just posted are very good. I like your final one the best of the bunch because it seems to blend together more smoothly than the other faces. Have you been able to do anything with that art site? Hopefully you will get a break and be able to get your work out there.

[quasimodo1]

To MortisAnarchy: You need a first show in a really good gallery Mortis, I've been observing art for almost six decades and I know professional genius when I see it. Really. Line one up. Get some rich relative to make a good investment in your first public showing. Then again you may do this for stricly personal reasons. It's still great. quasimodo1

[Niamh]

they are amazing!:eek: that Crybaby one sticks out!

[Mortis Anarchy]

I've actually found two little independent art galleries that support young and old artists that are rich and famous. I'm going to give it a try...I don't think I have a big enough portfolio...but thats okay, I don't mind making it bigger.;) I'll add some more soon.

[Niamh]

Thats good news! I hope they like what they see!

[Mortis Anarchy]

Sorry, I know I promised to put some more up but I didn't have time before I left and I'm already swamped with stuff and ideas. I promised my uncle to send him a painting and I still need to finish the painting for my Abuelita. Promise to load some more soon.

[barbara0207]

Hi, I'm back!

Mortis, of the new sreies I like the second and the last one best. They are deep, make you feel and think. Great. :thumbs_up

[Pensive]

All I can say is Brilliant! I have loved your work. And seriously, I have especially loved this 'watercolors, acrylics and charcoal' picture in which one eye is covered with a sun-flower and a petal is on the surface. I wish I could put it as my profile picture! :p

Great work again I would say! Good luck with the other paintings! :)

[Niamh]

cant wait to see some more!:D

[Mortis Anarchy]

You would think that after such a long time I would be posting more. Sorry, but I've only got one. I'll post more of my amateur photography shots later...need to get money so I can develop them.:)

Well here you go. My brother has dubbed it Emo Oompa Loompa. Lets see what you guys/gals come up with.

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb170/Victor_yAna/ompalompa.jpg