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linz
06-24-2007, 04:57 PM
In Job, Satan describes himself as "Walking to and fro on earth.", and later in the book we come across a passage describing an action by God, "He breaks open a shaft away from people; in places forgotten by feet they hang far away from men; they swing to and fro." The words to and fro appear in both.

I've done some small and general studies of Carl Jung and some of the basic concepts of his analytical psychology. 'The Ego' is the conscience self, and 'The Persona' is a mask built, learned beginning in childhood to display or correct society face. It is how you communicate in the world. Children learn it by being punished in school and taught by parents, and eventually it is simply who we are socially. 'The Shadow' is all these repressed things unaccepted by society that we store in the unconscious which are only utilize in private. Jung theorized that 'The Shadow' sometimes reveals itself in a dream as an enemy and is similarly menacing. Sometimes it can appear as the enemy of your particular nation, such that if you were an American your 'Shadow' might appear as a Islamic Terrorist. Another example is a junkie's 'Shadow' being an accusing police officer. 'The Moral Complex' also imposes restrictions on our 'Ego' and 'Persona' and is demonized in 'The Shadow'.

Maybe this has actual implications on God's breaking open a shaft away from people and places forgotten by feet i. e. 'The Shadow' literally being Satan. In other words our sins and evils are in us all to an extent, therefore hypocrisy is inevitable. And 'The Shadow', which was a menace in dreams, but in tribulation becomes something menacing to our very right to life as it masquerades with our iniquities, and needs to be conquered to enter heaven.

If you still do not understand than maybe this will help; In the Holocaust, Hitler convinced many German's rather successfully that 'The Shadow' was Jewish people.

Scheherazade
06-24-2007, 05:13 PM
Is there a particular point you would like to discuss in this thread, Linz?

linz
06-24-2007, 05:31 PM
Carl Jung's ideas and there compatibility with Christianity!

Dark Star
06-24-2007, 05:34 PM
I'm just going to drop by and point out that Jung was a Gnostic, and thus, by extension some of his ideas would certainly be compatible with Christianity (if one takes a metaphorical interpretation of the Bible, at least).

linz
06-24-2007, 05:42 PM
Dark Star,

I'm going to point out myself that Christ represents the end of pagan sacrifice, as a extension Christ is of a sacrifice summation, and there is much omnipresence of sacrifices to the gods throughout the world.

Dark Star
06-24-2007, 07:36 PM
To clarify, I simply need to felt the need to point that out firstly because many errantly believe that Jung was a Christian (of the orthodox variety) and secondly because Gnosticism relies heavily on symbolism and metaphors.

I wasn't looking for an argument.

linz
06-24-2007, 07:47 PM
I'm not meaning to argue. I was simply saying that Christ spoke as, and was, a symbol.

jon1jt
06-24-2007, 08:10 PM
Carl Jung's ideas and there compatibility with Christianity!


Jung was heavily influenced by the work of Nietzsche and even taught a series of seminars on this great philosopher, which have been published and are available. read it and you'll agree that Jung was as much an anti-Christ as Nietzsche himself.

JGL57
06-24-2007, 08:25 PM
I think it pretty clear that Jung viewed religious concepts as mythos, thus, for one to take mythic symbols, archetypes, metaphors and analogies as literal or concrete fact or history would be primitive superstition.

Something wrong with that understanding?

jon1jt
06-24-2007, 11:46 PM
I think it pretty clear that Jung viewed religious concepts as mythos, thus, for one to take mythic symbols, archetypes, metaphors and analogies as literal or concrete fact or history would be primitive superstition.

Something wrong with that understanding?


well put, JGL. "primitive superstition," that's what it would be, yep.

weepingforloman
06-24-2007, 11:49 PM
Something wrong with that understanding?

Do you mean something wrong with your summary of Jung's position, or with Jung's position itself?

NikolaiI
06-24-2007, 11:52 PM
Understanding of Jung.

JGL57
06-25-2007, 02:39 PM
Do you mean something wrong with your summary of Jung's position, or with Jung's position itself?

Either or both - but I was obviously referring to the latter.

weepingforloman
06-25-2007, 03:36 PM
I think you already know my answer to the second. The first, since I have minimal knowledge about Jung, I must assume to be true.