A Poem

[weepingforloman]

A life tossed aside
For the Convenience of others!
A tiny creature, small
And vulnerable, used and
Destroyed, for the benefit
Of the old, and the
Comfort of the young and
Foolish! For who is to
Say what hopes, what
Dreams lie within the
Tiny sphere within the
Unborn mind of a child.
A question of timing?
Or a question of
Greed, and a desire
To avoid the consequences.
Action, but without reaction!
Crime, but without punishment!
Ah! and what punishment is
That, to mold the mind
Of the young, to guide
And direct, and help!
The old man, cold and
Afraid, turns to the use
Of another Being as a
Means to an end, and
A selfish one at that!
What madness when
The last generation
Tries to pave the
Way to immortality
With the blood and
The body of the young!
What terror when the
Serpent whispers, take
It, for surely you shall
Not die! if you feed
Upon it, upon the flesh
Of those yet unborn!
Take and eat, for this is
Their body, given for you
Though not by them! For
Who are they, to want to
Live, when thou, who hast
Lived long upon this dark
Sphere may die! What evil
When the Spirit of Air
And Darkness says again
What right have thy
Who are as yet unborn
To demand to live at
The expense of you,
What a price to pay
For a few moments of
Fun! And what despair
When the power of
Evil commands to
Kill them that they
Might not kill! For
God cannot be bothered
To take Justice into
His own hands! Strike
Them down, for it
Is Judgment before
Grace, is it not?
Extend not the Word
Of Love and Mercy,
From the One who
Spoke with prostitutes
And thieves and cripples
And beggars and the
Unclean! For the evil
Must be destroyed by
Thou, who art Man!
Forget the log in thine
Own eye, and the
Darkness in thine
Own heart, but
Strike! Strike with fury,
And terror, and rage and
Hate! But what joy, what
Grace, what mercy, what
Love, and what Good,
When the Lamb says
Aloud, and to all Men,
Kill not! For thou art
All under Judgment, but
My Judgment, and Mine
Alone! Sing praise to
The Father and Alleluia!

[MysticalWriter]

Hm, awesome! the first thing I thought: wow, this is long.
The last thought: Amazingly written! Well done! I liked how you put in a loaded message! This is truely remarkable! I am amazed at how well you put across your point of view with this! Amazing!

[weepingforloman]

Thank you.

[jon1jt]

When the Spirit of Air
And Darkness says again
What right have thy
Who are as yet unborn
To demand to live at
The expense of you,
What a price to pay
For a few moments of
Fun! And what despair
When the power of
Evil commands to
Kill them that they
Might not kill!


is this poem what i think it's about? i'll await the poet's reply before commenting further.

[weepingforloman]

Probably is, unless you live on a different planet. However, the latter half of that paragraph is a new thought beginning.

[jon1jt]

A life tossed aside
For the Convenience of others!
A tiny creature, small
And vulnerable, used and
Destroyed, for the benefit
Of the old, and the
Comfort of the young and
Foolish! For who is to
Say what hopes, what
Dreams lie within the
Tiny sphere within the
Unborn mind of a child.
A question of timing?
Or a question of
Greed, and a desire
To avoid the consequences.
Action, but without reaction!
Crime, but without punishment!
Ah! and what punishment is
That, to mold the mind
Of the young, to guide
And direct, and help!
The old man, cold and
Afraid, turns to the use
Of another Being as a
Means to an end, and
A selfish one at that!
What madness when
The last generation
Tries to pave the
Way to immortality
With the blood and
The body of the young!
What terror when the
Serpent whispers, take
It, for surely you shall
Not die! if you feed
Upon it, upon the flesh
Of those yet unborn!
Take and eat, for this is
Their body, given for you
Though not by them! For
Who are they, to want to
Live, when thou, who hast
Lived long upon this dark
Sphere may die! What evil
When the Spirit of Air
And Darkness says again
What right have thy
Who are as yet unborn
To demand to live at
The expense of you,
What a price to pay
For a few moments of
Fun! And what despair
When the power of
Evil commands to
Kill them that they
Might not kill! For
God cannot be bothered
To take Justice into
His own hands! Strike
Them down, for it
Is Judgment before
Grace, is it not?
Extend not the Word
Of Love and Mercy,
From the One who
Spoke with prostitutes
And thieves and cripples
And beggars and the
Unclean! For the evil
Must be destroyed by
Thou, who art Man!
Forget the log in thine
Own eye, and the
Darkness in thine
Own heart, but
Strike! Strike with fury,
And terror, and rage and
Hate! But what joy, what
Grace, what mercy, what
Love, and what Good,
When the Lamb says
Aloud, and to all Men,
Kill not! For thou art
All under Judgment, but
My Judgment, and Mine
Alone! Sing praise to
The Father and Alleluia!

oh, so it is about ABORTION. ok.

Well, this poem offends my atheistic and political sensibilities, and to my knowledge it very well may violate the forum rules against the posting of political statements and/or the vulgar/hateful speech clause set therein.

i've bolded those statements i especially consider to be offensive to me.

[weepingforloman]

I'm sorry you're offended by it. I just wanted to express my own thoughts on the issue, but it is ALLUSION, and therefore I think it is permissible. What do you find hateful? I didn't mean for this to be an angry poem... For the record, the part about "killing that they might not kill" was expressing my dissapproval of the bombings by "Christians." I'm not sure if you totally got it. If you did and still find it offensive, I'm sorry. Where I say "kill them that they might not kill," this is supposed to be the voice of Satan speaking... I find it horrible that people kill over this.

[weepingforloman]

Here's another poem.

Woe to you, O unashamed age!
Wicked, adulterous, choking with rage!

Where have you gone, O my people?
To the altars of Sex, Pride, and Cash!
Do you attend to me any longer?
No! But their altars are heaped with ash!

How ironic it is, O my soul!
Blind fools tell you, "Act as you will!
God is dead (or never was)! Can you see Him?"
The wicked say, "Lie, steal, curse, kill!"

And now even the Once-Wicked
(But those I have saved by My Grace)
Say, "Now Lord, send Judgment down!
We are ready to behold your Face!"

Do they not see, O these people of mine,
What even they have done?
Can they not? Are they blind?
Have even they turned from Me?

[jon1jt]

Here's another poem.

Woe to you, O unashamed age!
Wicked, adulterous, choking with rage!

Where have you gone, O my people?
To the altars of Sex, Pride, and Cash!
Do you attend to me any longer?
No! But their altars are heaped with ash!

How ironic it is, O my soul!
Blind fools tell you, "Act as you will!
God is dead (or never was)! Can you see Him?"
The wicked say, "Lie, steal, curse, kill!"

And now even the Once-Wicked
(But those I have saved by My Grace)
Say, "Now Lord, send Judgment down!
We are ready to behold your Face!"

Do they not see, O these people of mine,
What even they have done?
Can they not? Are they blind?
Have even they turned from Me?


i highly recommend Christopher Hitchen's new book, God Is Not Great. it seems the wicked are in "His" ranks too.

i'm curious...i wonder if i called all christians a derogatory name like "wicked" how that would go over.

[blp]

I'm sorry you're offended by it. I just wanted to express my own thoughts on the issue, but it is ALLUSION, and therefore I think it is permissible. What do you find hateful? I didn't mean for this to be an angry poem... For the record, the part about "killing that they might not kill" was expressing my dissapproval of the bombings by "Christians." I'm not sure if you totally got it. If you did and still find it offensive, I'm sorry. Where I say "kill them that they might not kill," this is supposed to be the voice of Satan speaking... I find it horrible that people kill over this.

It's extremely easy to misread until the very end.

[weepingforloman]

i highly recommend Christopher Hitchen's new book, God Is Not Great. it seems the wicked are in "His" ranks too.

i'm curious...i wonder if i called all christians a derogatory name like "wicked" how that would go over.

I'm aware of the book, and most of Hitchens's accusations ring true if we take "a Christian" to mean only someone who claims to be one. If we take it to mean "one who is truly and really devoted to and attempting to live his/her life according to the teachings of Christ" (which, by the way, cannot be seen except by God) they are much less true.

I will willingly admit that I am also "wicked." I sin, we all sin. That's how it goes. Go ahead and call me wicked, I'm fine with that. I used the word because it is a biblical epithet, I write this poem (which I called "What God Sees") from the perspective of the Lord, to whom, of course, all men are wicked.

[weepingforloman]

It's extremely easy to misread until the very end.

OK, I guess it is fairly convoluted, but, until I say, "When the Lamb says," I feel negatively about all the actions I name.

[jon1jt]

I'm aware of the book, and most of Hitchens's accusations ring true if we take "a Christian" to mean only someone who claims to be one. If we take it to mean "one who is truly and really devoted to and attempting to live his/her life according to the teachings of Christ" (which, by the way, cannot be seen except by God) they are much less true.

I will willingly admit that I am also "wicked." I sin, we all sin. That's how it goes. Go ahead and call me wicked, I'm fine with that. I used the word because it is a biblical epithet, I write this poem (which I called "What God Sees") from the perspective of the Lord, to whom, of course, all men are wicked.


i don't sin because i don't follow that creed. christopher hitchens is my messiah today.

"from the perspective of the Lord to whom...all men are wicked?" ??? now how is this not vulgarized speech? :alien: you should be held to the same standard as an atheist like me when using derogatory terms against members of your religion, or any religion. i'm offended by this term "wicked" and your political statement against abortion. this is a hot button (political) issue and you know it, and i reject it.

as far as your poem goes, i acknowledge that it goes on to reject the hate it reports, but the languageis so convoluted i'm hardly convinced.

[weepingforloman]

i don't sin because i don't follow that creed. christopher hitchens is my messiah today.

"from the perspective of the Lord to whom...all men are wicked?" ??? now how is this not vulgarized speech? :alien: you should be held to the same standard as an atheist like me when using derogatory terms against members of your religion, or any religion. i'm offended by this term "wicked" and your political statement against abortion. this is a hot button (political) issue and you know it, and i reject it.

as far as your poem goes, i acknowledge that it goes on to reject the hate it reports, but the languageis so convoluted i'm hardly convinced.

I have a definition of sin for you: any morally wrong action. Have you ever done anything morally wrong? If so, you've sinned. If not, congrats. Wicked, in its biblical usage, is often applied to all of mankind. I feel relatively sure that all people have done something morally wrong, therefore, to God, they are wicked. I'm aware that you oppose my stance, but I know that most people do. I get it. I'm in the minority here. I really don't think the confusion of my words is as great as you think it is... I say "What" followed by a negative word (despair, madness, and evil) before every instance of something I find negative, then many positive words (joy, mercy, etc.) preceding my only positive section.

Grace and peace to you from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ (Romans 1:7).

[jon1jt]

I have a definition of sin for you: any morally wrong action. Have you ever done anything morally wrong? If so, you've sinned. If not, congrats. Wicked, in its biblical usage, is often applied to all of mankind. I feel relatively sure that all people have done something morally wrong, therefore, to God, they are wicked. I'm aware that you oppose my stance, but I know that most people do. I get it. I'm in the minority here. I really don't think the confusion of my words is as great as you think it is... I say "What" followed by a negative word (despair, madness, and evil) before every instance of something I find negative, then many positive words (joy, mercy, etc.) preceding my only positive section.

Grace and peace to you from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ (Romans 1:7).

"Fit the action to the world and thee word to the action." -Hamlet

and for you, that word is sin. but that word springs from a narrative like goldilocks from her woods. then one day the world realized there was no bad wolf and so the gods retreated and what is left are words, the word. but changes in the world require new myths, a new spirituality (e.g. god is dead), practical solutions, not eternal truths; not immutables, not forms, not sin, not nature. your poem is fixated on values, whereas i focus on the consequences of particular values and let experience determine the proper measure. things either work or they do not. and when they do not we try again. your notion of sin is metaphysical. i say let's stuff it back in the clouds and be done with these empty phantoms.

Lust, Anger, Pride, Sloth, etc. etc. the human actions tied to them are not "sinful," they are natural. we are talking about a difference of degrees. but do we really, truly need a religious foundation to understand the action against these conditions??? not.

the answer to your question whether i've ever done something morally wrong is that i have performed acts judged by others to be morally wrong. i have committed no moral wrong.

besides, ideas are a dime a dozen, and actions speak louder than words. yes.


despite our differences, i have a soft spot for Boston folks like yourself. and i happen to be a Red Sox fan. :)

[weepingforloman]

I see you are very Nietzsche-literate. Thank you for your semi-nihilist point of view, and GO SOX!!!!!

[jon1jt]

I see you are very Nietzsche-literate. Thank you for your semi-nihilist point of view, and GO SOX!!!!!


me...a nietzschean? :nod: :lol:

great eye, weep...

be well. :)

[weepingforloman]

And you.