Paris Is Out Of Jail After Only 3 Of 45 Days

[kiobe]

Are wealthy people treated differently in the sentencing of jail time

[kilted exile]

I think it is quite correct that she is released from a legal standpoint - after all inflicting her for 45 straight days on the other inmates could certainably be argued as cruel & unusual punishment. In fact everyone who had to be in contact with her should automatically get 2 months chopped off their sentence.

[Niamh]

I think it is quite correct that she is released from a legal standpoint - after all inflicting her for 45 straight days on the other inmates could certainably be argued as cruel & unusual punishment. In fact everyone who had to be in contact with her should automatically get 2 months chopped off their sentence.

:lol: no they should have let them go home and kept her in.

[AimusSage]

:lol: no they should have let them go home and kept her in.
That would be unfair to the guards.

[kiobe]

The reason for her release to house arrest was some sort of medical issue. I'm guessing she was depressed because she was in jail...better let her go home.

[kiz_paws]

Yes, the medical issue was that the Perrier Water wasn't the brand she was accustomed to, or some such thing... **sigh** so sad, really...:alien:

[Schokokeks]

What ?!?
Only yesterday morning I heard the radio moderators making fun of her in jail and of her I'm-oh-so-brave-and-will-be-treated-like-everyone-else-speeches, and now she's released again ?! Hadn't she committed some kind of crime to get her there in the first place ?

[kiobe]

What ?!?
Only yesterday morning I heard the radio moderators making fun of her in jail and of her I'm-oh-so-brave-and-will-be-treated-like-everyone-else-speeches, and now she's released again ?! Hadn't she committed some kind of crime to get her there in the first place ?

She had lost her drivers licence because of a D.U.I. and then later on got busted driving with a suspended licence. Isn't the real problem that she is walking around with a suspended brain?

[kathycf]

Apparently there was some sort of petition a person could sign online (set up by Paris fans, I guess) because poor Paris was being treated unfairly by having to spend time in jail at all.

[BibliophileTRJ]

It absolutely INFURIATES me that the rich and/or famous are clearly above the law.

The reason I read online was that she was released because she couldn't/wouldn't eat the food she was being given and her shrinks say that it'll exacerbate her eating disorder.

I say stick an I.V. in her arm or let her starve!! (preferably the latter)

[kiobe]

It absolutely INFURIATES me that the rich and/or famous are clearly above the law.

The reason I read online was that she was released because she couldn't/wouldn't eat the food she was being given and her shrinks say that it'll exacerbate her eating disorder.

I say stick an I.V. in her arm or let her starve!! (preferably the latter)

Do what my parents did, let her sit there till she eats her dinner. Evevtually she will get hungry enough or just give up the battle and eat. Oh but wait a minute, I didn't have the law offices of Dewey, Cheatem and Howe working 'round the clock to extracate me from the dinner table. What do ya wanna bet, she writes a book and makes more money off it. Someone quickly, send me to another planet!!!!!!

[hockeychick8792]

I agree with kiobe. If they don't eat starve them, they'll rather eat food than hurt themselves eventually. Anyway the others in the jail at first probably did not eat, but eventually they did. She can live with it!!!


PARIS: Eww! Can I return this there is not enough caviar and duck sauce on it.

(((GIVE ME A BREAK)))

[Themis]

I do wonder why all of you are reacting like this. I understand she gets on everybody's nerves by being the focus of attention for no apparent reason. (Though, one has got to admit she knows how to market herself.)

Still. If I read your posts correctly, you don't know why she was released. You don't know the severity of her condition. Granted, there may be no real problem. It may be that she's not ill at all and I, too, was surprised to learn she'd been released.
But - and that's a big 'but' - you do not know. Making a fuss over someone because you think she gets attention which she doesn't deserve is very childish.
Of course, I may have understood you all wrong. In that case, please correct me.

[Turk]

Blaise Pascal said this around 400 years ago; "Laws are for the people who knows them", today i am telling; "Laws are to protect rich people".

[kiobe]

I do wonder why all of you are reacting like this. I understand she gets on everybody's nerves by being the focus of attention for no apparent reason. (Though, one has got to admit she knows how to market herself.)

Still. If I read your posts correctly, you don't know why she was released. You don't know the severity of her condition. Granted, there may be no real problem. It may be that she's not ill at all and I, too, was surprised to learn she'd been released.
But - and that's a big 'but' - you do not know. Making a fuss over someone because you think she gets attention which she doesn't deserve is very childish.
Of course, I may have understood you all wrong. In that case, please correct me.

It's a little of both. Jails have an in house medical staff but if the medical problem is bad enough they will transfer the inmate to a hospital. Her attorneys never actually said exactly what her medical issue was and because of that and the fact that she bypassed the hospital and went right home, wearing an ankle braclet leads one to wonder just how urgent her condition is. To be perfectly honest she doesn't get on my nerves at all. I think she's cute. It's not her, it's the system, but she could show some independance from all the power her family has and stand up and be an adult and accept the concequences of her actions. Jail isn't supposed to be fun.

Many of life's circumstances are created by three basic choices: the disciplines you choose to keep, the people you choose to be with; and, the laws you choose to obey. I forget who said this.

[Lily Adams]

"Are men are created equal." Right.

The news said she was sick. More like sick of being in jail. :flare:

[Themis]

It's a little of both. Jails have an in house medical staff but if the medical problem is bad enough they will transfer the inmate to a hospital. Her attorneys never actually said exactly what her medical issue was and because of that and the fact that she bypassed the hospital and went right home, wearing an ankle braclet leads one to wonder just how urgent her condition is.

I may be old-fashioned in this but I think it's nobody's business but her own what her condition is.


It's not her, it's the system, but she could show some independance from all the power her family has and stand up and be an adult and accept the concequences of her actions. Jail isn't supposed to be fun.

Well, I'm pretty sure it is her but the thing that irritates me is ranting about someone you [not you specifically, Kiobe] don't know. It's the principle of the thing and my beloved maxim 'innocent until proven guilty'.


@Turk:Laws are there to give people an opportunity to be equal and a chance to fight for their rights.
They may be abused by certain people but that's got nothing to do with the law. It's the people who use everything to their advantage.

[the silent x]

i believe there are two sets of laws, the ones for everyday people, and those for celebrities. i don't believe it has anything to do with the system, except for the fact that the people on trial are well-known celebrities and the jury is bound to know who they are and not prosecute them as harshly, so they are cushioned. even if they are convicted, they are sent to a "resort"prison, they have better quality than in some homes. so it's not anyones fault, just society's

[Themis]

@silent assassin: What you're referring to is criminal prosecution, not the law.

[hockeychick8792]

Criminal Prosecution is the law!!!! Sorry but the law leads to criminal prosecution, it is a little thing called justice!!! ;)


i believe there are two sets of laws, the ones for everyday people, and those for celebrities. i don't believe it has anything to do with the system, except for the fact that the people on trial are well-known celebrities and the jury is bound to know who they are and not prosecute them as harshly, so they are cushioned. even if they are convicted, they are sent to a "resort"prison, they have better quality than in some homes. so it's not anyones fault, just society's

Silent you make a good point there it is true there are charges for us and then there are charges for those that are rich.

[Themis]

Criminal Prosecution is the law!!!! Sorry but the law leads to criminal prosecution, it is a little thing called justice!!! ;)

I admit, I mayn't have got the words right. English can be very confusing with one word for two different things.
But still, it is not the same thing.

[kiobe]

I may be old-fashioned in this but I think it's nobody's business but her own what her condition is.



Well, I'm pretty sure it is her but the thing that irritates me is ranting about someone you [not you specifically, Kiobe] don't know. It's the principle of the thing and my beloved maxim 'innocent until proven guilty'.


@Turk:Laws are there to give people an opportunity to be equal and a chance to fight for their rights.
They may be abused by certain people but that's got nothing to do with the law. It's the people who use everything to their advantage.

Themis, you are not old fashoned and you're absolutly right. Her medical condition in none of my, or anyones business. That being said, if her medical condition, which I assume she had before she went to court, was so dibilitating that it would prevent her from doing time in jail, the judge most certainly would have taken it into account and none of this would have happened. The fact is, she was partying at the MTV awards the very night before she was to go to jail. Again this doesn't sound like a person with a medical condition. I don't know where you live but here in America the attorneys use [I]any[I] means possible to get thier client off the hook. Years ago, and I'm paraphrasing here, there was a murder in San Francisco and the defence attorney claimed that the person that did the killing was out of his mind because he had eaten too many Twinkies, a delicious cream filled sponge cake. It came to be known as the Twinkie defense. If a person has enough money and enough time they can tie up the courts in a way that the average person cannot. This is the origional question.
Again, honestly, I don't have a problem with Paris. It's not her. The problem is that some random guy or girl without enough money for a team of lawyers to attack the state court system will not get the same treatment. And by the way, it's absolute overkill to send a team of lawers to defend a suspended drivers licence charge. Again this is not something that the average person has access to. On a personal note, my brother was in the exact possition. Lost his licence because of a DUI, then got busted for driving on a suspended licence. He got 30 days in jail, the first time, and he was a diagnosed paranoyd scizofrenic. The second time he got 90 days.
My maxum too. But she was proven guilty of driving on a suspended licence. There has been an update, I saw on the "news" that she is going back to court for something. More later...Jim?


I admit, I mayn't have got the words right. English can be very confusing with one word for two different things.
But still, it is not the same thing.

Hi Themis. Well the laws are made and put in place not just to defer someone from doing something that may harm someone else, but also to be able to prosocute a person for doing the harmfull thing. Criminal prosocution is a direct result of the law, but laws are just words in a book. If someone does something that harms another and there are no laws on the books then the judge, with all his wisdom, decides if a new law is to be implemented. I'm really paraphrasing here.

[Themis]

Well the laws are made and put in place not just to defer someone from doing something that may harm someone else, but also to be able to prosocute a person for doing the harmfull thing.

You're talking about criminal law here. Civil law e.g. isn't all about prohibiting certain actions.

[I should probably mention that I'm a law student as such have a rather optimistic view of 'the law'. Slightly quixotic probably. |

And of course, though I know your legal system works quite differently than ours (in Austria), I tend to look at things from 'our' point of view.

[Scheherazade]

"Are men are created equal." Right. 'All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.' ~ Animal Farm

[Niamh]

Here look to who ever really cares, Paris Hilton Has been called back to court by her judge who wants to basicly know whats going on. That Judge could send her back tomorrow if they want to.
Also alot of the time Celebs are treated the same as everyone else. Two examples: Christian Slater and wynona Ryder. Both did terms in prison, one for drugs one for shop lifting. The only reason why the Hilton case is different is because the O'My G's of society are causing a rucus and calling it an unjuctice. Bimbo Publicity.

[kiobe]

You're talking about criminal law here. Civil law e.g. isn't all about prohibiting certain actions.

[I should probably mention that I'm a law student as such have a rather optimistic view of 'the law'. Slightly quixotic probably. |

And of course, though I know your legal system works quite differently than ours (in Austria), I tend to look at things from 'our' point of view.

First, in no way, shape or form am I a lawyer. Civil law baffels me. O.J. Simpson was found "not guilty"??? in criminal court but was found complisit or responsible for the 2 deaths in civil court. This question is WAY over my head. Being quixotic is the perfect way to enter law. Keeps it pure for a while until a person gets tired.

It is begining to get ugly. Here's a quick read posted at 8:00 am pacific time
http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/celebrity/article1901505.ece

[kenikki]

This one of the reasons I am so glad I stopped buying celeb magazines and reading celebrity gossip blogs. What a load of sh*t this Paris Hilton malarkey is.

[kiobe]

This one of the reasons I am so glad I stopped buying celeb magazines and reading celebrity gossip blogs. What a load of sh*t this Paris Hilton malarkey is.

Yea, I was hoping the thread would be more about the balance of law. I'm embarrassed that it seems to be turning into another rag. After all, it REALLY isn't about Paris. She is just the vehicle that points out the unballanced actions in the court system.

[BibliophileTRJ]

HEADLINE: Screaming Paris Hilton Sent Back to Jail

Hehehehehe.

Maybe there IS some justice in the world.

[andave_ya]

There was a political comic in the newspaper today showing a silhouette of Paris' face with a spoon labeled "silver" in her mouth and the caption, "Why Paris got out of jail." under it.

[kiz_paws]

My question is WHO IS TAKING CARE OF TINKERBELL?

I think that Paris has embarassed her family enough over the last few years. But the public drink all this up ... as they do with all the rich and famous, and it has been this way since the silent movie stars to the glamor era of Bette Davis to now. People love to revel in the ups and downs of those in the limelight. Maybe Paris is a brat and wants to shock us? When her flame dies down, there will be a new one in her stead, and on it goes....

What am I trying to say.... hmmm, well, who really cares, truth be known? Secretly, I always thought that she was a cute person with not too much upstairs (after that rag called a book???), but she was good to her dog, and that counted in my book... yada yada yada...:sick:

[kiobe]

My question is WHO IS TAKING CARE OF TINKERBELL?

I think that Paris has embarassed her family enough over the last few years. But the public drink all this up ... as they do with all the rich and famous, and it has been this way since the silent movie stars to the glamor era of Bette Davis to now. People love to revel in the ups and downs of those in the limelight. Maybe Paris is a brat and wants to shock us? When her flame dies down, there will be a new one in her stead, and on it goes....

What am I trying to say.... hmmm, well, who really cares, truth be known? Secretly, I always thought that she was a cute person with not too much upstairs (after that rag called a book???), but she was good to her dog, and that counted in my book... yada yada yada...:sick:

I know what you are saying, but a lot of people do care, not that it is Paris, but that there seems to be two different justice systems. One, easyhanded for the privileged and one, heavyhanded for everyone else. There has been such an uprising by civil rights proponets that the judge has asked the sheriff's to bring her back to court. Personally, how could a person not like her. She seems sweet, fun and is good to animals. But, and that's a BIG but, she was busted twice for driving on a suspended licence. A lot of people go to jail for driving on a suspended licence. What makes her different is she is a celebrity and from a wealthy family. The celebrity part is less important and carries less weight. In the jail there is a special section called "special needs" where people are put that most likely become targets. People like celebs, police, judges, ect...Again, it's about the illusion of fairness, not the person.

[Shalot]

The only thing that bothers me about any of this is the fact that we're even discussing it. I don't care if she goes to jail or not. I don't even care that she could get out of her jail time just because she's rich. She said she was going to do her time like everyone else and that she wasn't above the law and she hoped she was an example to young people and the next thing you know, she's out because she had a tummy ache.

And while there really isn't an adequate word to describe how stupid and terrible all of this is, the truth is, none of it surprises me in the least. However, she's all over the damn news. Today on lunch I watched footage of the police car she was in taking her somewhere and then they flashed to a reporter talking about it like it was the 911 attack or the tsunami from 2004 (has it been that long?). Don't tell me that there aren't more important and/or interesting things going on in the world.

[Redzeppelin]

The real tragedy has nothing to do with Paris' sentence: the real tragedy has to do with our society's embarrassing obssession with the comings and goings of a celebrity - have we nothing more important facing us? Are our lives so vacuous that this deserves non-stop coverage and commentary? I feel for the girl - not because she's in jail, but because she is out-of-control and is a wounded soul. But our insatiable desire to make her life and its trials our entertainment is beyond insanity.

[kiz_paws]

Bravo for the last three posts. Well said all. :)

[kiobe]

The only thing that bothers me about any of this is the fact that we're even discussing it. I don't care if she goes to jail or not. I don't even care that she could get out of her jail time just because she's rich. She said she was going to do her time like everyone else and that she wasn't above the law and she hoped she was an example to young people and the next thing you know, she's out because she had a tummy ache.

And while there really isn't an adequate word to describe how stupid and terrible all of this is, the truth is, none of it surprises me in the least. However, she's all over the damn news. Today on lunch I watched footage of the police car she was in taking her somewhere and then they flashed to a reporter talking about it like it was the 911 attack or the tsunami from 2004 (has it been that long?). Don't tell me that there aren't more important and/or interesting things going on in the world.

You are basing your sentiment on the person rather than the subject of equal rights, which is what this is suppose to be about. I will allways fight for equal rights for you and for myself. This time it just happends to be about the privileged being more equal. A lot of people reminisce about the 50s and how great it was back then, sure was, if you were white. Persons of color I'm sure have a very different memory. The equal rights that we are fighting for are allways under assult and without energized people to fight back we will lose them. Read the patriot act to see just what you have lost in the last 6 years. I'm sorry to say that you can't separate yourself from the rest of us by saying that you don't care about equal rights. When you give up your rights, the rights of your neighbors begin to diminish.


The real tragedy has nothing to do with Paris' sentence: the real tragedy has to do with our society's embarrassing obssession with the comings and goings of a celebrity - have we nothing more important facing us? Are our lives so vacuous that this deserves non-stop coverage and commentary? I feel for the girl - not because she's in jail, but because she is out-of-control and is a wounded soul. But our insatiable desire to make her life and its trials our entertainment is beyond insanity.

Well said. The only thing we can do to combat this is not suscribe to the superficial crud on the TV. I haven't watched network news for years. There are better places to find out just what's going on in the world. Again, in my pea-brain-size-head, it's not about her, it's about equal rights.

[Themis]

@Kiobe: Maybe you should have given your thread another name. The title suggests that you want to talk (and rant) about Paris Hilton.
Of course, your very first post goes in the right direction but after the title most people probably won't read it.

[ennison]

What Is Paris? I thought it was a place - or a Greek. I take it that it's a celebrity - someone well-known for being famous. Guess I'm just not a TV watcher - life being short n all

[Shalot]

You are basing your sentiment on the person rather than the subject of equal rights, which is what this is suppose to be about. I will allways fight for equal rights for you and for myself. This time it just happends to be about the privileged being more equal. A lot of people reminisce about the 50s and how great it was back then, sure was, if you were white. Persons of color I'm sure have a very different memory. The equal rights that we are fighting for are allways under assult and without energized people to fight back we will lose them. Read the patriot act to see just what you have lost in the last 6 years. I'm sorry to say that you can't separate yourself from the rest of us by saying that you don't care about equal rights. When you give up your rights, the rights of your neighbors begin to diminish.


How can the privilaged be more equal? :p That doesn't make sense. Equal is equal. Even Steven.

Equal rights don't exist in America, they never have and may never exist. It might be an ideal that we strive for, but the great thing about America is that if you can figure out how to make money for yourself, then you can get out of jail (on stupid little charges like Paris Hilton's driving on a suspended license).

You can also get out of your jail sentence if you know the right people or if you have leverage. Or you can get your time knocked down through certain negotiations. True, the average joe can't say he has a medical condition and hop right out, but believe me, it can and does happen.

Of course, I am not talking about violent murders or rape or any other horrific crimes. I am talking about parking tickets, seatbelt violations :rolleyes:, or those traffic tickets you get at the camera enforced intersection --- those aren't fair, yet they give us tickets for making a right turn on red which is legal, but the damn camera can't tell the difference so we've got to pay $50.00!!! :flare:

Nothing comes free and you've got to figure out how to get it. Equality is a nice little idea, but come on.

I just wish that I could turn on the news and not see such extensive coverage of this stupid story.


I'm with ya on your rant, except for the cynicism. The phrase "more equal" just refers to how ironic and obvoius the differences are. Oh, I have to disagree with you on the point of equal rights in America. Perfect, exact and fair, they are not, but thanks to people like M.L.K. and you may not like this but the A.C.L.U., we enjoy, at this time in history, a better fairness if you will. We must allways keep fighting, questioning authority and pushing for the human rights that everyone deserves. Sounds like you got pinched in one of those camera intersections. Look, it's not perfect, nothing will ever be, perfection will never be attained. But we must strive for it anyway.


No I don't have a problem with Martin Luther King or the ACLU.

Also, I don't think all people are equal (don't shoot me yet). But there are people who are more capable and intelligent than I am (big shock on that one). There are people who can sing and dance better. Talents are not distributed evenly and equally. Some people have amazing athletic ability.

Some people have certain instincts that serve them in their endeavors.

So people are not inherently equal. But we all deserve a fair chance and the playing field is not level.

[kathycf]

Also, I don't think all people are equal (don't shoot me yet). But there are people who are more capable and intelligent than I am (big shock on that one). There are people who can sing and dance better. Talents are not distributed evenly and equally. Some people have amazing athletic ability.

So people are not inherently equal. But we all deserve a fair chance and the playing field is not level.
That is all anybody can ask for and that is what should be happening...under the law, everyone should be treated equally without special privileges granted to one individual or group over another. That is my interpretation of the statement "all men are created equal"....which shouldn't mean that we are all the same, but that we deserve equal treatment.

As for Paris, the only thing that bothers me about this specifically is the same issue that bothers me when I read about other DUI offenders. What happens when a drunk driver causes an accident and somebody dies. That is why her license was suspended in the first place...

[papayahed]

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/9437/burghq8zm9.jpg

[kiobe]

That is all anybody can ask for and that is what should be happening...under the law, everyone should be treated equally without special privileges granted to one individual or group over another. That is my interpretation of the statement "all men are created equal"....which shouldn't mean that we are all the same, but that we deserve equal treatment.

As for Paris, the only thing that bothers me about this specifically is the same issue that bothers me when I read about other DUI offenders. What happens when a drunk driver causes an accident and somebody dies. That is why her license was suspended in the first place...

Kathycf has nailed it on the head. I meant equal, figuratively. Also, just because something is on TV doesn't mean that people want to see it. It really just means that the idiots that run the network want it on TV based on what "they" think we want to see. Like the idiots at Ford and GM that keep churning out gas guzzelers because they think we won't buy hybrids. Can we put this to bed now?

[papayahed]

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/9437/burghq8zm9.jpg

Come on people, that's a funny picture.

[kilted exile]

Is that the guy from the burger king ads they show during NFL games?

[kathycf]

Kathycf has nailed it on the head. I meant equal, figuratively. Also, just because something is on TV doesn't mean that people want to see it.
I think you made an interesting discussion. I think Paris was simply a handy example to explore a deeper issue that takes place ... is justice based partially on the size of one's wallet or is it impartial as we are led to believe? I think we all must have seen at one time or a picture of Blind Justice.


http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h56/kathycf/2fig16.gif


BTW, am I the only person who thinks the Burger King is extremely creepy? :eek2:

[papayahed]

Is that the guy from the burger king ads they show during NFL games?

Yep





BTW, am I the only person who thinks the Burger King is extremely creepy? :eek2:


Nope, he is extremely creepy, especially that one commercial where the guy wakes up and the king is sitting next to him...

[kathycf]

Nope, he is extremely creepy, especially that one commercial where the guy wakes up and the king is sitting next to him...
Bleh...that one is horrid. Plus the one where the guy gets up in the morning and opens the blind and the king is standing outside his window....with a breakfast sandwich. I can't click away from those ads fast enough.

[Stanislaw]

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/9437/burghq8zm9.jpg

:D :thumbs_up :lol:

The whole deal actually reminds me a bit of the 'ol Martha Stuart thing... just extreme attention given to an otherwise not noteworthy incident...If I was dui, I don't think anybody would care (well, except my friends and family)...

for her sentance...that's what she got, tough, who cares? IMO, this is all a media red-herring for something worse...

"say marge, whats that mushroom cloud on the horizon..."
"Never mind...look at that crazy hilton girl...besides, if the cloud is important it'd be in the paper"

:D

[Shalot]

:D :thumbs_up :lol:

The whole deal actually reminds me a bit of the 'ol Martha Stuart thing... just extreme attention given to an otherwise not noteworthy incident...If I was dui, I don't think anybody would care (well, except my friends and family)...

for her sentance...that's what she got, tough, who cares? IMO, this is all a media red-herring for something worse...

"say marge, whats that mushroom cloud on the horizon..."
"Never mind...look at that crazy hilton girl...besides, if the cloud is important it'd be in the paper"

:D

Exactly. It's scary actually because it's always on!

A friend of the family with a serious drinking problem was released from jail after 3 DUIs because the jail was full and his was one of the lesser offenses. I mean, yes, it sucks, and drunks are dangerous on the road, but if it makes anyone feel better, he did eventually go to prison.

[kiz_paws]

That is a funny picture, indeed.

Scary image, that guy with the crown, mind you....:alien: