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derek_chan_731
05-15-2007, 07:57 AM
If you lived in Winston's world, would you try to protest or simply stay out of trouble?Why???
bazarov
05-15-2007, 05:20 PM
Firstly, question is would I be aware of massive illusion. :)
Although Jose Marti once said: "It is better to die on your feet, than live on your knees" , I don't think I would do something crazy or heroic.
Why, when it's useless? My resistance would have no effects, and I would surely die without any good purpose. And also, my family could suffer too, which is unacceptable.
The Atheist
05-18-2007, 12:53 AM
If you lived in Winston's world, would you try to protest or simply stay out of trouble?Why???
Hmm, lemme see. I protest, I die.
I live a normal life, taking what pleasure I can along the way, I might get to live a lot longer.
Pretty easy choice, really.
Lotuhouma
06-14-2007, 08:35 PM
Welllll..... Id protest for what i believe is right, knowing i will be tortured to death. Why because i would'nt wanna live in a pretend atmosphere and being forced to think and do what is not right.
I rather die than stay alive and put up with everything that i have no use to.
The Atheist
06-15-2007, 03:16 AM
Welllll..... Id protest for what i believe is right, knowing i will be tortured to death. Why because i would'nt wanna live in a pretend atmosphere and being forced to think and do what is not right.
I rather die than stay alive and put up with everything that i have no use to.
Easy to say, but all human history tends to indicate that when faced with the actuality, people don't rock the boat quite as readily.
bazarov
06-16-2007, 09:36 AM
Welllll..... Id protest for what i believe is right, knowing i will be tortured to death. Why because i would'nt wanna live in a pretend atmosphere and being forced to think and do what is not right.
I rather die than stay alive and put up with everything that i have no use to.
I think you would rather stay alive and patiently wait for your chance to do something.
It will come to those who wait :)
TomGr
06-17-2007, 01:31 PM
Orwell himself deals with this question. His characters embody alternate answers:
Winston Smith rebels against a system that has become intellectually and morally repulsive to him.
Julie pretends to conform while breaking the rules in secret, albeit for petty personal reasons.
Syme and Parsons embrace Ingsoc—the former because he's intelligent enough to manipulate his mind via doublethink, the latter because he's too stupid to grasp Ingsoc's deliberate contradictions.
O'Brian embodies Ingsoc. He is, as he tells Winston, one of the new ruling cast of post-humans—"the inheritors."
I suspect that few of us could summon up the courage to rebel as Winston did. In one way or another we'd end up loving Big Brother—or at least accepting him.
Lotuhouma
06-17-2007, 09:10 PM
Easy to say, but all human history tends to indicate that when faced with the actuality, people don't rock the boat quite as readily.
Yeah i agree with what you are saying but if a persons beliefs and faith is strong not only as they speak but also in action, no mater what they fear as a human it wouldn't make them give in about something that is not real to them...
Lotuhouma
06-17-2007, 09:16 PM
I think you would rather stay alive and patiently wait for your chance to do something.
It will come to those who wait :)
Yes that's right! But i would eventually get caught... When i do get caught and is tortured or killed, at least i know i did die trying
Lotuhouma
06-17-2007, 09:20 PM
Easy to say, but all human history tends to indicate that when faced with the actuality, people don't rock the boat quite as readily.
Yeah i agree with what you are saying but if a persons beliefs and faith is strong not only as they speak but also in action, no mater what they fear as a human it wouldn't make them give in about something that is not real to them...
The Atheist
06-17-2007, 09:53 PM
Yeah i agree with what you are saying but if a persons beliefs and faith is strong not only as they speak but also in action, no mater what they fear as a human it wouldn't make them give in about something that is not real to them...
There's another, far trickier angle to this as well; even if Winston does nothing, the fact that he thinks the wrong way is going to land him in Room 101 at some stage. I'm not sure it would be possible to fool the Thought Police forever, so the problem becomes a real conundrum:
Do nothing, try to keep it secret and get caught eventually
Secretly rebel, get caught eventually
Neither option offers any hope of freedom and the only potential for "escape" I see in the book is to run away and join the proles. From the way they're described, it doesn't sound as though the Thought Police, or Party had much interest in them and from their fredom of movement, it's unlikely close records were kept on them, so assimilating wouldn't have been too difficult. There were clearly no telescreens in prole areas.
I've always wondered why W & J didn't attempt that.
It's definitely the option I'd be pursuing!
Lotuhouma
06-24-2007, 10:27 PM
If you lived in Winston's world, would you try to protest or simply stay out of trouble?Why???
wHAT WOULD YOU SIMPLY DO IF YOU LIVED IN wINSTON'S WORLD
The Atheist
06-25-2007, 12:51 AM
wHAT WOULD YOU SIMPLY DO IF YOU LIVED IN wINSTON'S WORLD
Mangere! You're kidding me, you live in Mangere?
Crikey, I live just down the road!
Mortis Anarchy
06-25-2007, 12:59 AM
I think you would rather stay alive and patiently wait for your chance to do something.
It will come to those who wait :)
"IF YOU BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME." hahaahaha...thats what it reminded me off....personally, I feel like I would go and fight for my beliefs...and if it was a strong enough one, I would fight, most of the time that I do fight, it wasn't a life or death situation, but if it wasn't something that made me howl with anger and feel that if I didn't do this then I was just a...well nothing, then I would prefer to live.
motherhubbard
06-25-2007, 01:39 AM
If you lived in Winston's world, would you try to protest or simply stay out of trouble?Why???
The question is “if you lived in Winston’s world” you can’t put in in the context of our world. It’s been several years since I read the book so I may get a detail wrong, but here goes.
You have no family like we know it. Children were no more than your duty to a party that you hate that will be the end of you as soon as they are old enough to rat you out. There is no love for your spouse- or you wouldn’t be allowed to marry. Friendship doesn’t exist. What pleasure is there to take as you can? There is nothing joyful- food, entertainment, recreation, nothing. None of them went along with the party so that they could sneak a moment of pleasure. They went along because they didn’t want to be utterly broken in room 101. No one wanted to face what was in that room. That room was a fate worse than death. So I think that I could protest and face death before I could protest and face room 101. Either protest or conform you aren’t living.
corticalaxon
06-25-2007, 06:55 AM
If I saw the flaws while living in Winston's position...well, what point is there in living then? I wouldn't be able to enjoy anything anymore. Thus, might as well go out with something worthwhile, even though in their society it isn't worthwhile because of the suppression of facts and history.
Then again, there is the route of people like Syme or O'Brien who comprehend the situation but take the other viewpoint; in O'Brien's case he's even "helping" people and thus technically can be viewed as a decent job.
bazarov
06-25-2007, 06:00 PM
I think that you have forgotten one important thing: people in Winston's world, proles; were not aware that some long long time ago in some beautiful and peaceful country called Neverland people could say whatever they want, listen music they like and watch movies they like..., or shortly; they had freedom.
So they couldn't say: we want freedom, it was nice here long time ago because they weren't aware of possibility of happier and nicer life. If you want to change something then should know what do you want to achieve. They didn't know that so they were quiet, accepting things how they were, without any efforts to change something.
From are aspect, it's normal to say that we would fight for our freedom, but from their point of view they don't have a reason for fight; nobody took them anything because they actually never had anything.
dharma_bhum
08-09-2007, 02:07 AM
The question I have as an answer is do you protest in this world or have the consequences of action, mostly mundane consequences, kept you from doing anything about the enourmous suffering in the world today. At least that is the question I ask myself to find out how I would act. Am I ready to sacrifice comfort, predictability and luxury, to find the truth in the world and do something about it. Mostly, will I isolate myself from my peers, who do not want to hear the terrible truth and will likely hate me for offering them a threatening world view. I don't always like the answer but sometimes I do.
jebus
08-14-2007, 08:01 PM
There's a lot I don't like about this world we live in, and a lot I'd like to change, but do I do anything about it? No. Why? Because I doubt that I would be able to change a thing. So I reckon I'd take the same attitude with me to Winston's world
Demian
08-22-2007, 03:51 AM
Yeah, I would take a jello-spewing flamethrower out and go all Tex on that cardboard -cutout funhouse of a world and when I was through try to have a terrific laugh while flogging my giant rubber pet chicken!!!:lol:
JAMMERXT
08-29-2007, 02:50 AM
OOOOO I would love it if I lived in winstons world! I would do every bad thing winston did, then get beat over and over again until I confessed everything. Then when we got to the part about weather or not I exist I would start an arguement and win against O'Brian
RichardHresko
08-29-2007, 05:56 AM
A recent movie that you might like is Other Peoples' Lives which is set in East Germany in 1984.
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