Are we really going throught the apocalypse described in the book of revalations----

[Vittoria666]

check the end of the bible if you dont know what i am talking about. scientists are saying that that is what we are going through.. i want to know who believes so too???
it sounds ironic but truthful in its own way.:p

[Vittoria666]

check the end of the bible if you dont know what i am talking about. scientists are saying that that is what we are going through.. i want to know who believes so too???
it sounds ironic but truthful in its own way.;)

[Lote-Tree]

check the end of the bible if you dont know what i am talking about.


Yes. Checked Quran, Bhagavad Gita etc...and I know what you are talking about as they have been talked about since dawn of human consciouness...but we are still here and that says it all :-)

[JGL57]

check the end of the bible if you dont know what i am talking about. scientists are saying that that is what we are going through.. i want to know who believes so too???
it sounds ironic but truthful in its own way.:p

An asteroid could smack into the earth tomorrow, killing all life down to the level of bacteria. If it happens, I suspect it would be a natural occurence, with nothing to do with a guy with a long white beard named god up in the sky on a golden throne.

BTW, regarding your user name of "Vittoria666" - am I to understand that you are the wife of the Antichrist? :lol:

[Logos]

....scientists are saying that that is what we are going through..
Which scientists would they be?

[dan020350]

I will give you the truth, but I know you will not do anthing and go and listen more comments.

Yes, the revelation is true.

Those who lose the heart or faith being chrisitianity ( mostly love others as you love yourself) is coming to an end and the time of war with your neighbors is coming. The no tonques or dragon methaphor and the rest speaks of this.

[Niamh]

the time of war with your neighbors is coming.

Dan i think you will find that war with ones neighbours has been happening since the neanderthal. It is a part of mankind and irriversable. We are animals at the end of the day! it doesnt symbolise armageddon. either that or the Apocalypse is taking an awefully long time!

[kilted exile]

I've said this before, but will repeat myself here: It's when there is an outbreak of world peace that I'll start worrying.

[hyperborean]

apocalypse...revelations...modern times :lol:

[mtpspur]

It's been my experience that each decade thinks they are in the end times. One of my best friends thinks any week now and has for the last 30 years. My only real opinion is a sense of the hardening of the heart regarding violence and an almost passive acceptance of the evils of war and of course the refrain from the bookm of Judges--Every man did that which was right in their own eyes. Personally I'm amazed I'm still breathing but I accept that as the patience of God in action tempered with His mercy.

[Quark]

it sounds ironic

How would the apocalypse be ironic?

[Morrisonhotel]

If this really is the end times then it's a bit like watching a film of a book you've enjoyed and then thought the film was a bit of a let down.

Nevertheless, people have been pointing out that the apocalypse for centuries - what makes now any different to those previous times?

[optimisticnad]

This idea of the apocalypse is also in other religious books - those believed to be the revealed divine ones, e.g. the Quran. Its thought to be one of the many signs of the ending of the world.

i think it depends on your religious view. If you belive in that kinda stuff your interpretations of the world around you will always be based on your faith, right?

[Taliesin]

I've said this before, but will repeat myself here: It's when there is an outbreak of world peace that I'll start worrying.
:lol:
You know, in our opinion this is the Sentence of the Day!

[weepingforloman]

An asteroid could smack into the earth tomorrow, killing all life down to the level of bacteria. If it happens, I suspect it would be a natural occurence, with nothing to do with a guy with a long white beard named god up in the sky on a golden throne.

BTW, regarding your user name of "Vittoria666" - am I to understand that you are the wife of the Antichrist? :lol:

Who, beyond the mentally ill and children, actually believes that God is a "guy with a long white beard?" That is an image used to instruct children. People assume that that's what Christians really believe, but mostly because they leave after a few years in childhood. When grade school teachers talk about the Pilgrims, don't they always use the image of a guy with a buckled hat and black clothing? They don't teach you real things until later on.

[kari]

I would think you should be teaching children real things from the start. If my daughters asked me what God looks like...I would be honest and say I didn't know. I would think that would cause a lot more confusion to children to be lied to from the start, just to answer a question for them. I would hope that more adults would agree with me, and that the long beard image is probably really believed by some adults as well. To be honest, I have never associated God with a white long beard?
Kari

[Vittoria666]

An asteroid could smack into the earth tomorrow, killing all life down to the level of bacteria. If it happens, I suspect it would be a natural occurence, with nothing to do with a guy with a long white beard named god up in the sky on a golden throne.

BTW, regarding your user name of "Vittoria666" - am I to understand that you are the wife of the Antichrist? :lol:

Very funy, hahaha
no i'm not but i do agree with yor earlier point

[Vittoria666]

Which scientists would they be?

Religion scientists, archiologists, religiouse historians...........every one!!!!

[Vittoria666]

How would the apocalypse be ironic?

The Apocalypse is not ironic, its the events that lead up to it(the ones written in the bible)that are ironic

[Vittoria666]

If this really is the end times then it's a bit like watching a film of a book you've enjoyed and then thought the film was a bit of a let down.

Nevertheless, people have been pointing out that the apocalypse for centuries - what makes now any different to those previous times?

Some scientist believe that religeouse faith of the apocalipse is tied to global warming.... thats why its different

[kilted exile]

Religion scientists, archiologists, religiouse historians...........every one!!!!

In that case you should be able to name say 5 reputable scientists (that is people with degrees in a scientific field, who have been published - not on the internet) stating that we are currently suffering from the apocolypse described in Revelation.

[kathycf]

If "everyone" is saying that we are in the Apocalypse...why hasn't it been on the news? Why am I always the last to know when these things happen? :blush:

Sorry to be facetious, but I think I am going to need something more in the way of evidence than a statement of "Religion scientists, archiologists, religiouse historians...........every one!!!!" :)

Hi there, and welcome to the forum by the way, Vittoria.

[Morrisonhotel]

Some scientist believe that religeouse faith of the apocalipse is tied to global warming.... thats why its different

I'm in agreement with my fellow Scotsman up the board there. What scientists are these (that is, a scientist who actually works in a relevant field (and, naturally, like any good modern scientist, I expect them to publish their work in peer-reviewed journals): geography, geology, etc.)? Never mind that the vast majority of such scientists (90% plus) in these sorts of fields are agnostics or atheists (I have a link somewhere showing this figure in relation to a huge study of scientists) so would probably not be elucidating the link between the biblical apocalypse and global warming (except to offer it as a metaphor for the situation).

[Logos]

Which scientists would they be?


Religion scientists, archiologists, religiouse historians...........every one!!!!

Hmm, ok, that's pretty vague and doesn't really answer my question of which and they . . . can you mention some of their names? or was your statement just your opinion and not based on fact?

[Nebula]

Apocalypse? No. If there was, don't you think we would've known about it by now?

[Niamh]

Religion scientists, archiologists, religiouse historians...........every one!!!!

I'm an Archaeologist and i know of none who believe we are going through the apocalypse. Besides thats not what Archaeology is. Archaeology is the study of the unwritten past. It Contradicts most of what the bible tells us because alot of what we excavate predates biblical stories. And if what we study does predate the bible, why would we discuss the Apocalypse?

[Nightshade]

If "everyone" is saying that we are in the Apocalypse...why hasn't it been on the news? Why am I always the last to know when these things happen? :blush:

Sorry to be facetious, but I think I am going to need something more in the way of evidence than a statement of "Religion scientists, archiologists, religiouse historians...........every one!!!!" :)

Hi there, and welcome to the forum by the way, Vittoria.

oK going to play devils advocate here ( but I just cant stop myself) but ever hear of Global warming? Rising seal levels? Tsunamis? 'shrinking' of mountains? Older pregnancies?

Personally I think it will be a while yet because the politics aren't right yet and unless somthing really dramtaic happens I figure it will be a whole pile of years before the last set of events leading to the return of Christ (although that in itself is probably dramatic enough to bring in the change).


:D

[kilted exile]

Ok, night. I understand that you are playing devils advocate and that is fine, but the difference is that you are not claiming scientists are suggesting these things relate to the apocolypse described in any holy book. That I think is probably the major problem with the OP. if scientists werent mentioned probably no-one would have a problem with the comment

[Nightshade]

Well personally Ive never heard of any scientist say that we were coming to the end of times and I definetly have had more than one teacher who would have thrown that into every sentace if they could.

OT: OP is opening post I assume??
:confused:

[Logos]

Original Poster or Opening Post :)

[Lote-Tree]

Always believe in an Archeologist - especially if she is carrying a whip :-)

[Niamh]

If we are going to get Scientific well, then i'm gonna contrabute. I did study geology alongside Archaeology so heres my rant;
The cycle we are going through is all part of the earths cycle.(only humans have boosted it up faster)Billions of years ago the planet we habitate went through a very dark time. Methane gases rose from the earth poisoning the air and wiped out almost very living creature on the planet. One of the only surviving creatures would be the ancestors of crocs and aligators, hence why they are considered the last of the dinosaurs. The evidence of all this is found within the statigraphy of the earths rock, where faults and morphosis of certain rocks occur.
Some scientific research states that this could happpen again but not for millions of years. The earth goes through hot and cold cycles. More cold than hot. At one stage Ireland would have been like the Bahamas. But it is believed that we will have another ice age before anything else. The climate must get slightly warmer before it will freeze. So I dont think we are going through the Apocalypse.

[Niamh]

Always believe in an Archeologist - especially if she is carrying a whip :-)

:lol: very funny Lote!:p

[Annamariah]

I don't know whether the world is going to end today or after 10 000 years, but the truth is that every day we are one day closer to the apocalypse than ever before.:lol:

Seriously speaking, there has always been people who have believed that the end of the world is near. They have always been and they will always be until the end really comes. But when it will happen, that is something we can't know.

36"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[f] but only the Father. 37As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.
42"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.

(Matt. 24:36-44)

[Niamh]

you are right. There will always be people who believe the world is going to end. Thats why we had the dark ages! Europe believed that the world was going to end in 1000ad. Didnt they feel silly when it didnt!:p Thats why in the 11th century Europe went through a redevelopement and started building cathedrals and churches again, adopting the cruciform shape from roman basilicas as the layout of the church.
Ireland sent many missionaries to Europe at this time respreading the word of god as we were one of the only countries that still prospered religiously during the dark ages. (ok so now the history nerd is coming out! First it was the Archaeologist, then the geologist now the historian)

[weepingforloman]

Not only religiously, Ireland was frankly one of the few footholds of civilization remaining in the west--I don't know if anyone has heard of a book called "How the Irish Saved Civilization?"

[Niamh]

One of our first recorded cities was Glendalough which was the monastic settlement of St Kevin. We also have more saints than any other country in the world. Every where you turn in Ireland you discover a new saint you'd probably never heard of. We wrote down the gospels recording them when the rest of europe failed. We set up education systems for the people of ireland to learn. But yet the first and only british pope, Pope Adrian, thought that we needed to be redeemed?!

[Scheherazade]

Don't know about the apocalypse but I think I might be going through some kind of midlife crisis... which feels as bad as the apocalypse (if not any worse) to me.

[kathycf]

oK going to play devils advocate here ( but I just cant stop myself) but ever hear of Global warming? Rising seal levels? Tsunamis? 'shrinking' of mountains? Older pregnancies?

:D
I have heard of those things, but I am skeptical of anybody claiming them to be signs of the apocalypse and further claiming that "everybody" is saying so. I have never heard anybody on the news say "Tonight at six...three legged dog rescues Girl Scout troop, Mel Gibson says something silly and we are officially in the end of days.". I did say I was being facetious in my previous post, and I will say it again now. :D ;)

That still doesn't negate that it is quite easy to claim all the scientists, religious experts are saying something without providing any proof of it. I am not claiming that the poster is lying, but if you want to state an opinion do so, don't claim it as "fact" without backing it up with some hard evidence.


Ok, night. I understand that you are playing devils advocate and that is fine, but the difference is that you are not claiming scientists are suggesting these things relate to the apocolypse described in any holy book. That I think is probably the major problem with the OP. if scientists werent mentioned probably no-one would have a problem with the comment
Yeah. What he said. :D


Don't know about the apocalypse but I think I might be going through some kind of midlife crisis... which feels as bad as the apocalypse (if not any worse) to me.
Eush, me too.

[Nightshade]

Ok back to what I was saying while being silly like I said Im not quite convinced its now, nor have I heard anyone actually say we were going through the apocolypse ecepet in the general the signs are getting closer, however I would point out that the first major sign occured in the 75-somthing AD and we are a good 1400 years later.
But rising sea levels floods and all that other stuff are described as 'signs' to the build up.

So I can see why some people would look at it and Go OH NO its the appocolypse.

[Niamh]

Yeah but rising sea levels etc have happened before and will happen again. Its just a matter of whether the human race can cope and survive the changes that will occur and have before.

[Nightshade]

hummm but other than the question of the exsistance of God if the human race doesnt survive but the world dtill does then doesnt that mean that the apolcalyspe sort of did happen? Because then their are no more people and so obviously our perciption of exsistance is finished so its the end of the world..to humans anyway.

:confused:

[Niamh]

Well basicly yeah. It would be the apocalypse for humans if we couldnt survive the changes our planet goes through. We'd be extinct like many other creature have. But then you could also argue that the neanderthal made way for us so maybe another form of mankind will develope when and if our time comes to an end. But then insaying that, we are one of the most adaptable creatures in the world being able to live and survive in many climate and habitats, so we may survive.

[Eeyore]

I've noticed that all the 'pro-apocalypse' arguments are grounded by geological arguments (i.e. major weather changes and natural disasters). I believe that a biblical interpretation of Revelation would dispel any doomsday prophecies. The most common belief seen today is called Dispensationalism, it's a relatively new system popularized by men like Tim Lahaye, Arnold Murray, and John Hagee. The problem with the system is it's blatant disregard for traditional biblical exegesis. The Book of Revelation belongs in the category apocalyptic literature (the word apocalyptic is derived from a Greek word meaning hidden) so it is filled with symbolic imagery often found in the Old Testament. Teachers like Tim Lahaye have failed to see that the imagery used ISN'T meant to be taken literally. In short I don't believe there is going to be an anti-Christ, I don't believe there is going to be a literal mark of the beast, and I certainly don't believe the world is coming to an end.

[Vittoria666]

I will give you the truth, but I know you will not do anthing and go and listen more comments.

Yes, the revelation is true.

Those who lose the heart or faith being chrisitianity ( mostly love others as you love yourself) is coming to an end and the time of war with your neighbors is coming. The no tonques or dragon methaphor and the rest speaks of this.
no i aint gonna ignor this cause i believe so too....:lol:

[Vittoria666]

In that case you should be able to name say 5 reputable scientists (that is people with degrees in a scientific field, who have been published - not on the internet) stating that we are currently suffering from the apocolypse described in Revelation.

If you dont believe me then thats your problem...
i cant list five cause i dont know them!

if you watch national geo channel around easter then you'll find five who agree with me

[Vittoria666]

I'm an Archaeologist and i know of none who believe we are going through the apocalypse. Besides thats not what Archaeology is. Archaeology is the study of the unwritten past. It Contradicts most of what the bible tells us because alot of what we excavate predates biblical stories. And if what we study does predate the bible, why would we discuss the Apocalypse?

then all i have to say is dig a little deeper

[Vittoria666]

Hmm, ok, that's pretty vague and doesn't really answer my question of which and they . . . can you mention some of their names? or was your statement just your opinion and not based on fact?

i am afraid that i cant list them because i saw these scientists through national geo channel around easter time...evvery year they have interviews and stuff based on this topic

[Vittoria666]

I'm in agreement with my fellow Scotsman up the board there. What scientists are these (that is, a scientist who actually works in a relevant field (and, naturally, like any good modern scientist, I expect them to publish their work in peer-reviewed journals): geography, geology, etc.)? Never mind that the vast majority of such scientists (90% plus) in these sorts of fields are agnostics or atheists (I have a link somewhere showing this figure in relation to a huge study of scientists) so would probably not be elucidating the link between the biblical apocalypse and global warming (except to offer it as a metaphor for the situation).

i admire your opinion and deeply value it... could you perhaps tell me about this link that you have somewhere?

[Niamh]

then all i have to say is dig a little deeper

Dig deeper? Honey Archaeology is the study of the unwritten Past ie prehistory or prehistoric; paleolithic, mesolithic, neolithic, bronze age and iron age.(were as history is the study of written past) and has no involvement in what is happening today. The only time Archaeology has involvement with history is during the excavations of sites form a historical era.;)
So sorry, but i dont think i have to dig deeper.:)
and as i said the statement you quote, we contradict the bible.


I'm an Archaeologist and i know of none who believe we are going through the apocalypse. Besides thats not what Archaeology is. Archaeology is the study of the unwritten past. It Contradicts most of what the bible tells us because alot of what we excavate predates biblical stories. And if what we study does predate the bible, why would we discuss the Apocalypse?

[Vittoria666]

Dig deeper? Honey Archaeology is the study of the unwritten Past ie prehistory or prehistoric; paleolithic, mesolithic, neolithic, bronze age and iron age.(were as history is the study of written past) and has no involvement in what is happening today. The only time Archaeology has involvement with history is during the excavations of sites form a historical era.;)
So sorry, but i dont think i have to dig deeper.:)
and as i said the statement you quote, we contradict the bible. what do you men by contradict the bible?

[Niamh]

what do you men by contradict the bible?

Well for example, if god created the earth in seven days, and the "history" of man is then told throughout the rest of the bible, than why do the findings and discoveries of Archaeologists and Paelentologist predate that bible. After all the "history" of the bible goes back a few millenia BC, and the archaeology and Anthropology of man goes back as far as the ice age or even farther.
And then there is the Dinosaurs. And they existed a few million years ago.
So therefore we contradict the bible because of what we have excavated predates it.

[kilted exile]

If you dont believe me then thats your problem...
i cant list five cause i dont know them!

if you watch national geo channel around easter then you'll find five who agree with me

I dislike this logic, I do not live in the same country so dont get the same programmes. As a result I could make any claim, say I saw it on the TV and expect you to believe me e.g Stephen Hawking was on CBC last night saying he had built a time machine. Now I wouldnt expect you to believe me about this. You saw the programme, provide a link.

[Vittoria666]

Well for example, if god created the earth in seven days, and the "history" of man is then told throughout the rest of the bible, than why do the findings and discoveries of Archaeologists and Paelentologist predate that bible. After all the "history" of the bible goes back a few millenia BC, and the archaeology and Anthropology of man goes back as far as the ice age or even farther.
And then there is the Dinosaurs. And they existed a few million years ago.
So therefore we contradict the bible because of what we have excavated predates it.

Oh ok thank you for that... but what are you implying about my judgement... everyone has their own views so you cant exactly say its incorrect... everyone chooses to believe something and i choose to believe those scientists who have actual poof that we are at worls end but its certainly taking time... do you believe that global warming has anything to do with it since you study religeon... what is your view on the apocalypse...?

[quasimodo1]

"Immitation is the sincerest form of plaigarism" Oscar Levant Some say the world will end in fire, some say in ice, for myself, ice or water will suffice. All this talk about the apocalypse...might it be self fulfilling prophecy by a species that can decide it's own future. Is it defeatist, is it easier to think of end than a beginning? Rhetorical question or real option. Technology has come too far along now to turn back. Now humans have to use it to save themselves from having to build yet another arc.

[Niamh]

Oh ok thank you for that... but what are you implying about my judgement... everyone has their own views so you cant exactly say its incorrect... everyone chooses to believe something and i choose to believe those scientists who have actual poof that we are at worls end but its certainly taking time... do you believe that global warming has anything to do with it since you study religeon... what is your view on the apocalypse...?

:confused: I never said i studied Religion. I said i was an Archaeologist. I also said that Archaeologists have nothing what so ever to do with what is happening today or the future as it is the study of the past. Therefore they wouldnt have been apart of the "scientist group" you told us made the statement. As for my opinion on the Apocalyse, i've already stated it on pervious pages. And as for global warming. This is something that has happened many times in the past history of the planet. It warms before it freezes.

[quasimodo1]

Twenty-five years ago the worry was about dominoes and the red peril and by extension war and nuclear winter. Now the circle comes around or the pendulum swings to global warming. So just about ten thousand years from now we are due for another ice age. If the ice age and global warming perfectly coincide then we a climate equalibrium. One can only dream. quasimodo1

[JGL57]

For those interested in the general subject of apocalypic-doomology this has got to be the ultimate website:

http://www.geocities.com/alma-geddon/doomwish1.html

Don't miss the links at the bottom of the page.

[ampoule]

check the end of the bible if you dont know what i am talking about. scientists are saying that that is what we are going through.. i want to know who believes so too???
it sounds ironic but truthful in its own way.:p

Well...it's kind of like birth. The minute we are born we begin to die. That probably sounds very depressing to some people but I don't think it is. The same with the end times. The signs have been there since religion began. I think it seems more at hand right now because we hear about the trials and tribulations at least three times a day on the telly....and look at you with the sign of the beast. ;)

[Vittoria666]

Well...it's kind of like birth. The minute we are born we begin to die. That probably sounds very depressing to some people but I don't think it is. The same with the end times. The signs have been there since religion began. I think it seems more at hand right now because we hear about the trials and tribulations at least three times a day on the telly....and look at you with the sign of the beast. ;)

my display name... right lol... i gues you are the second person to mention that... the other one said something about being the antichrist! that very interesting logic you have there... i guess i does fit... i mean no one is getting any younger, right... welcome to this thread by the way... what are your views on the end of the world?

[NikolaiI]

I saw a thing on the history channel about this the other day, a couple of shows on it actually. One was talking about how 2012 was predicted by both Chinese and Mayan calenders to be the end of the world. Actually they said prophets from China and Ancient Mayan predicted it to the exact day, December 20, or 21, which I find incredibly hard to believe. I think they said Merlin from the middle ages also predicted it to be 2012, but I'm not positive about that one. There was also a female prophet from the middle ages in England who predicted the end of the world. She said when there are cars and planes, half of the world will die, in fire. By the time the program got around to the bible (it eventually did) I was paying attention to something else.

The other program was more about this topic, whether we are going through the signs of the end of times. I don't really think so. I'm not really aware of all the things you say the scientists are saying are happening, but things look fine to me.

As far as the end of times goes, I think it's important to remember that it's the end of humans that we call the end of times. Time will go on after we're gone, as it existed before we were here. The extinction of the human species, and perhaps the obliteration of all human achievement, does not equivilate the end of life. For instance, what about scorpions, fish, dinosaurs, and everything else that was here before us? What about what new species will come after? Time has not yet begun for them...Anyway, I agree with JGL that if we are killed by a comet or a gamma ray burst or anything else, it is chance, bad luck perhaps, but not an act of God...we would be gone, but...ah, well, I am going on and on.

[Vittoria666]

I saw a thing on the history channel about this the other day, a couple of shows on it actually. One was talking about how 2012 was predicted by both Chinese and Mayan calenders to be the end of the world. Actually they said prophets from China and Ancient Mayan predicted it to the exact day, December 20, or 21, which I find incredibly hard to believe. I think they said Merlin from the middle ages also predicted it to be 2012, but I'm not positive about that one. There was also a female prophet from the middle ages in England who predicted the end of the world. She said when there are cars and planes, half of the world will die, in fire. By the time the program got around to the bible (it eventually did) I was paying attention to something else.

The other program was more about this topic, whether we are going through the signs of the end of times. I don't really think so. I'm not really aware of all the things you say the scientists are saying are happening, but things look fine to me.

As far as the end of times goes, I think it's important to remember that it's the end of humans that we call the end of times. Time will go on after we're gone, as it existed before we were here. The extinction of the human species, and perhaps the obliteration of all human achievement, does not equivilate the end of life. For instance, what about scorpions, fish, dinosaurs, and everything else that was here before us? What about what new species will come after? Time has not yet begun for them...Anyway, I agree with JGL that if we are killed by a comet or a gamma ray burst or anything else, it is chance, bad luck perhaps, but not an act of God...we would be gone, but...ah, well, I am going on and on.



2012.. the end of the world... unless it all starts now and goes extremely fast then its really unlikely!!! in a way you are very right, do you happen to know the name of this history channel programme???

[Orionsbelt]

check the end of the bible if you dont know what i am talking about. scientists are saying that that is what we are going through.. i want to know who believes so too???
it sounds ironic but truthful in its own way.:p

Great ride isn't it? I mean without having to watch the boring middle part you get be the star at the end of the movie. That's cool. I hear there may be a sequel though. I prefer the half full glass.

[NikolaiI]

2012.. the end of the world... unless it all starts now and goes extremely fast then its really unlikely!!! in a way you are very right, do you happen to know the name of this history channel programme???

Ah, no I'm sorry. Some google searches could probably bring up some information, if doubtful. I think they said the Mayan calender said 2012, as well as Chinese, and Merlin from the English in the Middle Ages.

[Niamh]

I think you need to remember that the end of the world had also been predicted for the year 1000 ad. Christians lost faith etc because they thought the end of the word was about to happen. It didnt. I doubt its going to happen any time soon either.

[Demian]

The word Apocalypse means "unveiling". In Kabbalistic terms this means a breaking down of the concealment between man and G-d. Six refers to an ending. Six in triplicates indicates the ascension of man. Seven is perfection. Eight indicates a new beginning. Just as every person has their own beginning , middle and end (like a story) so must every world inhabited by consciousness. But this 'end' predicates only a new beginning. We are no more able to fathom 'non being' than we can comprehend where we may have been before birth, or imagine what could possibly happen after death, etc. But from a Kabbalistic viewpoint, this is the closest we can actually get to comprehension of the Mysterium Tremendum indicated by the word G-d. But this does not mean that there is no G-d, no more than we can assume that there is no ending in sight because 'man has been here this long.' Nevertheless, whether today or a thousand years from now is not of the greatest importance, because every person experiences the end of the world the day of their death, and every 100 years or so sees a nearly complete extinction of every living thing(but not species, obviously). There is a terrific book out there titled 1000 A.D., I don't know the author, but it is an historical exploration of some of the dangers Christendom faced at that time. Millineum fever coupled with massive political and natural upheval gave many at that time good reason to believe it was "The Time".

[MaryLupin]

There is a terrific book out there titled 1000 A.D., I don't know the author, but it is an historical exploration of some of the dangers Christendom faced at that time. Millineum fever coupled with massive political and natural upheval gave many at that time good reason to believe it was "The Time".

The book is called The Year 1000: What Life Was Like at the Turn of the First Millennium : An Englishman's World by Robert Lacey and Danny Danzinger.

Here is what Publishers Weekly has to say about it:
"Offering a delightful, often astonishing portrait of everyday life in Anglo-Saxon England in the year 1000, this wonderfully earthy chronicle, while timed for the end of this millennium, distinguishes itself from the sea of millennial titles by focusing on the end of the last one. Lacey (Sotheby's?Bidding for Class), a popular British historian, and London-based journalist Danziger (The Orchestra) focus on aspects of daily living. The Anglo-Saxons, a practical, self-contained, fervently superstitious people, were 99% illiterate, yet their language would become their most widespread legacy. Bristol was a slave-trading port, and the use of "bondservants" was a basic underpinning of the rural economy (the Norman invasion of 1066 would replace servitude with feudalism). There was no sugar, but honey was so valued that it became a form of currency. Personal hygiene was almost nonexistent, and most adults died in their 40s. Engla-lond, as the country was called, endured the best and the worst of times, enjoying unmatched prosperity but also falling prey to Viking raids, a menace that King Ethelred (the Unready) exacerbated by paying protection money. The narrative is organized in 12 chapters?one for each month?plus a closing chapter assessing the Anglo-Saxon legacy. Prefacing each chapter is a nimble, remarkably modern-looking, secular drawing of laborers' activities reproduced from the Julius Work Calendar, probably created by a cleric working in Canterbury Cathedral around 1020. This is a superb time capsule, and the authors distill a wealth of historical information into brightly entertaining reading. Agent, Curtis Brown."

Good book. I found it faintly reminiscent of today. In the bold passages above I remembered thinking to my self as I read it (the practical, self-contained bit) - now that sounds like the ideal practical individualist of North America who still believes virgins can get pregnant; (the use of bondservents bit) - hmmmm, migrant labour and I wonder if some on them wanted to send them all back home too?); (the unmatched prosperity bit) - yep, sounds like the unmatched prosperity of the US but still prey to terrorists and then there are the economic tarrifs, foreign aid and such things. Well, I thought, maybe we haven't changed all that much.

[MaryLupin]

The Popol Vuh is a holy book of the Quiché. It is their creation story and genealogies. The full text is here (http://www.sacred-texts.com/nam/maya/pvgm/). Men and women are made quite late in the day from corn meal And then grinding the yellow corn and the white corn, Xmucané made nine drinks, and from this food came the strength and the flesh, and with it they created the muscles and the strength of man. This the Forefathers did, Tepeu and Gucumatz, as they were called. They created by a miracle of the first 4 forefathers into the fourth world. The first through third worlds were populated by others who were not human. In fact in one world their descendants are now the monkeys.

Anyway this day of creation of men was the first day of the long, non-repeating calendar. That calendar ends at winter solstice 2012. To some this is when the 5th world is to begin (and therefore the 4th - our world - is to end.) To others this is just the end of the calendar and a celebration of the beginning of the next one.

With respect to the magnetic pole shift...there are 2. The sun's and the earth's. It is the sun's that is to shift in 2012. The earth's - "Earth’s magnetic field also flips, but with less regularity. Consecutive reversals are spaced 5 thousand years to 50 million years apart. The last reversal happened 740,000 years ago. Some researchers think our planet is overdue for another one, but nobody knows exactly when the next reversal might occur."

see this site (http://www.gvnr.com/74/3.htm) for more on that

Here is a NASA site (http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/lookingatearth/29dec_magneticfield.html) that talks about the shifting poles.