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Scheherazade

05-01-2007, 12:34 PM

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In June we will be reading one of DH Lawrence's (http://www.online-literature.com/dh_lawrence/) books:
It is a fine thing to establish one's own religion in one's heart, not to be dependent on tradition and second-hand ideals. Life will seem to you, later, not a lesser, but a greater thing.

Please vote for the book you would like to read by May 31st.

Sons and Lovers* (http://www.amazon.com/Sons-Lovers-Modern-Library-Classics/dp/0375753737/ref=sr_1_1/002-2058153-2455215?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1178036806&sr=1-1)

The Rainbow (http://www.amazon.com/Rainbow-David-Herbert-Lawrence/dp/0543896145/ref=sr_1_1/002-2058153-2455215?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1178036951&sr=1-1)

Women in Love* (http://www.amazon.com/Women-Love-Cambridge-Lawrence-Twentieth-Century/dp/0140188169/ref=sr_1_1/002-2058153-2455215?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1178037036&sr=1-1)

Lady Chatterley's Lover* (http://www.amazon.com/Lady-Chatterleys-Lover-D-Lawrence/dp/B000OLEQF0/ref=sr_1_8/002-2058153-2455215?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1178037170&sr=1-8)

* = Available on the Forum

Book Club Regulations (http://www.online-literature.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4104)

Virgil

05-01-2007, 01:40 PM

Alright, Ive been waiting for this one!! I won't make up my mind yet.

Janine

05-01-2007, 04:17 PM

I cast my vote - I have been waiting for a Lawrence novel to come up for 'book of the month' read also. I am thrilled!

papayahed

05-01-2007, 04:21 PM

Who wants to buy my vote??

manolia

05-01-2007, 04:28 PM

I cast my vote - I have been waiting for a Lawrence novel to come up for 'book of the month' read also. I am thrilled!

Janine this reminds me of our conversation a few days back. Very good timing indeed. You can imagine which book i voted for, eh? I wanted to join the bookclub before but i couldn't deviate from my list..

Janine

05-01-2007, 04:37 PM

Janine this reminds me of our conversation a few days back. Very good timing indeed. You can imagine which book i voted for, eh? I wanted to join the bookclub before but i couldn't deviate from my list..

:lol: You following me, manolia? :lol: I was just in Movie thread, saw your post, but no time now to answer it. I have housework to do, ugh:sick: In between, I check computer way, way too much. I don't get anything done!!!

Yes, saw your vote now and am thrilled. Now you can stick to you list,....as for me....I am still all 'over the place', but at least it is a L book and I want to re-read it --- been years, like 1978 or 80.

Glad you voted, thanks! J

grace86

05-01-2007, 04:41 PM

I've been waiting for this one also, I would ideally like to read Lady Chatterly's lover, it is another one I own. Hey papaya...come over here....;)

I'd actually be able to participate coming June.

manolia

05-01-2007, 04:43 PM

:lol: You following me, manolia? :lol: I was just in Movie thread, saw your post, but no time now to answer it. I have housework to do, ugh:sick: In between, I check computer way, way too much. I don't get anything done!!!

Yes, saw your vote now and am thrilled. Now you can stick to you list,....as for me....I am still all 'over the place', but at least it is a L book and I want to re-read it --- been years, like 1978 or 80.

Glad you voted, thanks! J

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I am behind you!! As for the movie thread it's fair to say that i haunt it. :lol:

Nossa

05-01-2007, 04:53 PM

Janine

05-01-2007, 05:09 PM

Gosh,why do you people like reading the best books in the worst times ever?lol
Now I really really wanna participate in this one, I just don't think I have the time to read anything till June 20th (that's when I finish my exams..lol)..
But I'll try my best to catch up in the last 10 days of the month..
Anyways, Women in Love would be my choice, since I already have it, and intended on reading it this summer!

Go for Nossa! Did you vote? I think you could join in late and anyway, it is a wonderful book. It is considered one of L's finest novels.

Grace - read "Lady Chatterly's Lover"! (even if it does not win out) It is a great book, too. It is not that long and not at all hard to read. All L's books flow and are so pleasurable to read. I read that one 3 times so far, and no doubt will again read it someday. Some steamy scenes, but the book is way more than that. I think one could read both in one month, and I am a slow reader. In the present 'book of the month' I am only on page 100 :( and liking "Owen Meany" very much, but will I get done - I hope, at least by the end of discussions....but at my rate not sure.

Scheherazade

05-01-2007, 07:17 PM

Who wants to buy my vote??http://absolutdrinks.com/content/cache/drinks/source/3581.png

Virgil

05-01-2007, 09:07 PM

Decisions, decisions...

papayahed

05-01-2007, 09:16 PM

Sold to the Woman with the Margarita!

grace86

05-03-2007, 01:54 PM

Grace - read "Lady Chatterly's Lover"! (even if it does not win out) It is a great book, too. It is not that long and not at all hard to read. All L's books flow and are so pleasurable to read. I read that one 3 times so far, and no doubt will again read it someday. Some steamy scenes, but the book is way more than that. I think one could read both in one month, and I am a slow reader. In the present 'book of the month' I am only on page 100 :( and liking "Owen Meany" very much, but will I get done - I hope, at least by the end of discussions....but at my rate not sure.

Oh I plan to read Lady Chatterly's Lover even if it doesn't get picked. Just like I still plan to read Age of Innocence.

(I tried to read Ethan Frome, but have yet to finish it for book club :blush:, so I didn't participate with Owen Meany)

Sounds like you've really enjoyed Lady Chatterly's, your enthusiasm makes me want to read it more. I like how you said it is not a hard read.

Janine

05-03-2007, 03:02 PM

Oh I plan to read Lady Chatterly's Lover even if it doesn't get picked. Just like I still plan to read Age of Innocence.

(I tried to read Ethan Frome, but have yet to finish it for book club :blush:, so I didn't participate with Owen Meany)

Sounds like you've really enjoyed Lady Chatterly's, your enthusiasm makes me want to read it more. I like how you said it is not a hard read.

Hi Grace, you should read it if you want to. I liked it and I also like the BBC miniseries "Lady Chatterly" directed by Ken Russel, starring Sean Bean and Joely Richardson. However, always read books first, and then venture to see the film. Most people want to read it, because they have heard it is a sexy/sensual novel and it is that, but it is way more than that in depth and other issues such as class distinction, etc...social acceptance....post war themes. The husband is greatly effected by the war, but also his nature is very much that of a controller and a lord over his work empire. LC is expected to fit in as the 'Lady' of the estate. With wealth comes great emotional compromise and responsibility.
As, far as loving LCL I like all Lawrence's works, but that is me and some may not like him at all. Keep in mind "Lady Chatterly's Lover" is really a much later work, one of the last novels Lawrence wrote, I believe. Therefore, his ideas were more advanced. I voted for "Women in Love" because this novel is an earlier one in L's career/life and I thought it comprised much of L's ideas/ideals and many charactersistics of the style of the writer, which would prove interesting to discuss. But actually any Lawrence book would be of interest to me, and would make for great conversation.

I also, want very to read "Age of Innocence". Seeing the film now, several times, may have marred my vision of that book, since I see certain actors in the roles. Hopefully the book will take on it's own character and I will love it. I own the book and it is sitting here, with my many others, begging to be read. Presently I am engaged in the reading of "Owen Meany". I may not finish that book before the discussion is over, either - the book is about 5 or 6hundred pages, ugh...and I am a very very slow reader. But so far I am enjoying it.:D

grace86

05-03-2007, 04:44 PM

Janine

05-03-2007, 05:41 PM

Thanks a bunch Janine, I am looking forward to reading any of Lawrence's novels. I've been inspired! :) I read a lot of adventure/drama/crime type novels....so Lawrence's genre will be a little different to me. I will most likely participate no matter which novel wins.

So glad you've been able to give me a little insight. Can't wait until June!!

Grace, You are more than welcome - I just love talking about Lawrence! You should read some of the short stories and come into that thread, to search for it just write 'Lawrence' in the search block. We do one a month and they are easy to read in a night or couple of hours time, so they are not too demanding. It has been fun in that thread. Check it out sometime and even read some of the posts, if you want more insight into Lawrence's complex mind. Few people know what a phenomenal short story author Lawrence was.

Nightshade

05-03-2007, 05:56 PM

Who wants to buy my vote??
tut tut :nod: :lol:

Blah....I think I might hve to opt out this month I really dont like Lawrance that much

malwethien

05-03-2007, 09:16 PM

I voted! ;) Strange...I thought I saw Vonnegut as the survey on what book to read this month? Or did I miss that??

Scheherazade

05-04-2007, 04:05 AM

Hi Malwethien,

Thanks for your vote :)

We will be reading a Lawrence book in June but we still have an on-going Vonnegut reading (Slaughterhouse-Five), which is here:

http://www.online-literature.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23816

Shakira

05-04-2007, 04:59 AM

Pensive

05-04-2007, 05:39 AM

Once I started Sons and Lovers but then left it in between. I would like to start it all over again...

Janine

05-04-2007, 02:12 PM

Once I started Sons and Lovers but then left it in between. I would like to start it all over again...

Hi Pensive, I did the same thing years ago and recently I finally sat down and read the book and I loved it. I think when the father speaks, in his dialect form of English, it is very difficult to understand. I persisted the second time around and I got past a certain point, then the book took off. I don't think "Sons and Lovers" is Lawrence's easiest book to read. It is one of his first novels and Lawrence tends sometimes to get too wordy but I got used to that aspect of his writing and after reading nearly all his major novels I was finally able to read "Sons and Lovers". If "Women in Love" wins try reading that first. I did and it really does not matter the order you read the books (the earlier books I am referring to) because they all stand quite alone and are all different from each other. Well, of course all this is just a suggestion to you, but hope it helps.

Janine

05-04-2007, 02:29 PM

:banana: Yippeee :banana: We are reading Lawrence. I just love him :blush: This year in the University we had Women In Love prescribed for our syllabus.

You won't believe me but in a class of 110, I was the only one who had actually enjoyed reading it.:p And I'll be more than happy to discuss the book with you guys at Lit.Net.

Shakira, That's great! I too am a big Lawrence fan!:blush: I can imagine that about the number of people not liking the book; Lawrence's writing style is beautiful but most people don't take the time to understand his writings and the deeper meanings, but hopefully with good discussion on here, we can all benefit and understand better. Personally "Women in Love" is my favorite Lawrence novel, maybe since it is the first one I read and I felt it to be a profound experience, at the time.
If you are interested in learning more about Lawrence, please check out (either read or join in) the 'Lawrence Short Story' thread. We do about one story a month and they are short and quite easy to read. Interpretation takes longer, since we go at our own pace. So far the thread has been quite successful; we are on our 3rd story -- and yes, there are other Lawrence enthusiasts out there - approximated 8 of us interested in that thread....so far.
Glad you posted this and hope to see you soon!:)

Schokokeks

05-04-2007, 03:26 PM

Pensive

05-04-2007, 04:50 PM

Hi Pensive, I did the same thing years ago and recently I finally sat down and read the book and I loved it. I think when the father speaks, in his dialect form of English, it is very difficult to understand. I persisted the second time around and I got past a certain point, then the book took off. I don't think "Sons and Lovers" is Lawrence's easiest book to read. It is one of his first novels and Lawrence tends sometimes to get too wordy but I got used to that aspect of his writing and after reading nearly all his major novels I was finally able to read "Sons and Lovers". If "Women in Love" wins try reading that first. I did and it really does not matter the order you read the books (the earlier books I am referring to) because they all stand quite alone and are all different from each other. Well, of course all this is just a suggestion to you, but hope it helps.

Hey! Thanks a lot for your suggestion, Janine! :) I am thinking the same. I would try Women in Love even if Sons and Lovers does not get chosen. But perhaps I would try Sons and Lovers as well because I am going to have Summer Vacations starting from next month which means quite a lot of free time. Oh and I will have to read A Prayer for Owen Meany then as well. I can't wait for June despite of the hot weather it brings... :p

Janine

05-05-2007, 01:05 AM

Hey! Thanks a lot for your suggestion, Janine! :) I am thinking the same. I would try Women in Love even if Sons and Lovers does not get chosen. But perhaps I would try Sons and Lovers as well because I am going to have Summer Vacations starting from next month which means quite a lot of free time. Oh and I will have to read A Prayer for Owen Meany then as well. I can't wait for June despite of the hot weather it brings... :p

Hi Pensive, It is a good plan! Glad you will be off soon and can enjoy the summer months of freedom, and plently of fun reading. I have started "Owen Meany", but for the past week, I did could not seem to get back to it, but so far I really like it. I am dying to read more. I am only to page 100 so I had better resume reading it soon since discussions will start in no time. It is quite entertaining, funny yet serious at the same time.
Did you know that "Sons and Lovers" was basically autobiographical with the names changed. It is based on Lawrence's own adolescence and his family. When you read it, we will have to discuss it since I just read it within the past year (that is if it is not choosen for book of the month). The book is still pretty fresh in my mind. You can't go wrong with either book - they are both great books.

Pensive

05-05-2007, 03:51 AM

Hi Pensive, It is a good plan! Glad you will be off soon and can enjoy the summer months of freedom, and plently of fun reading. I have started "Owen Meany", but for the past week, I did could not seem to get back to it, but so far I really like it. I am dying to read more. I am only to page 100 so I had better resume reading it soon since discussions will start in no time. It is quite entertaining, funny yet serious at the same time.
Did you know that "Sons and Lovers" was basically autobiographical with the names changed. It is based on Lawrence's own adolescence and his family. When you read it, we will have to discuss it since I just read it within the past year (that is if it is not choosen for book of the month). The book is still pretty fresh in my mind. You can't go wrong with either book - they are both great books.

Oh I did not have the slightest idea about that... Thanks for telling me! It might make the book more interesting seeing that it happened in real. :D

Janine

05-05-2007, 02:56 PM

Oh I did not have the slightest idea about that... Thanks for telling me! It might make the book more interesting seeing that it happened in real. :D

Pensive, I think that is why going back to it (with this added knowledge), later on, I was more than thrilled to read the book and it became a pure pleasurable experience. I felt I was taking the personal emotional journey with the author who was revealing his real life story. I had read several biographies by then, and I knew the parallels well and they fascinated me. Keep in mind that it is not the gospel truth of Lawrence's early life - but it certainly was definitely based on his life in his youth. Later Lawrence has been quoted as saying all of his youth was embodied in this book. I will try to find you the exact quote. I read it in one of my books recently, but since I don't mark books up, I always have trouble locating the exact quotes, etcs. later on. I should put book markers in the pages or keep notes. Actually a friend also told me to read it and said it was Lawrence's own (adolescent/young man) story. That really spurred me on to read the book - curiosity is a great catalyst!

Janine

05-05-2007, 03:03 PM

Oh, Lawrence next month, sounds good ! :)

Maybe Virgil would volunteer to give online lectures in order to brush up our background knowledge ! ;)

Sons and Lovers is on my university's list, and I follow them whatever they say :D.

Hi Schokokeks, Glad you will be in the discussion. It should be good no matter which book is chosen. I am glad S&L is on your university list - it is a great book! Well actually, I am a huge Lawrence enthusiast, so I would term 'great' about nearly anything he wrote. If you go into the 'Lawrence Short Story' thread you can learn more about Lawrence and his ideas/thoughts/concepts/style of writing. Virgil has written much in there and so have I, now a few more people have joined in and the discussions are getting more and more interesting all the time. Just to read some posts, would be a learning experience for anyone interested in Lawrence.

Virgil

05-05-2007, 07:10 PM

Unfortunately I've been really tied up the past few days. Still quite busy for another few. Sorry. I have had to take a break.

Janine

05-05-2007, 11:56 PM

Unfortunately I've been really tied up the past few days. Still quite busy for another few. Sorry. I have had to take a break.

Hi Virgil, don't worry about it. How was your trip? I am sure you are really tired out. Don't be sorry for not being on here; I am sure everyone understands. Things have been a bit slow in some threads anyway. Enjoy your break! I have needed one myself.

grace86

05-06-2007, 12:49 AM

This is a really interesting month to be watching the poll. It's pretty close and we still have the larger part of the month to go.

Anthony Furze

05-06-2007, 03:17 AM

I ve chosen Lady Chatterlys because its the only one I have here. I studied , or tried to study, The Rainbow in college but couldn t get on. However, now Im (much) older I might appreciate Lawrence now.

Id like to do any for the forum.

I ll be in England in June, but I ll at least have some reading and Ill be able to keep in touch via my brothers PC.

Im quite excited by this...especially after reading the posts.

Keep well.

Pensive

05-06-2007, 04:25 AM

Pensive, I think that is why going back to it (with this added knowledge), later on, I was more than thrilled to read the book and it became a pure pleasurable experience. I felt I was taking the personal emotional journey with the author who was revealing his real life story. I had read several biographies by then, and I knew the parallels well and they fascinated me. Keep in mind that it is not the gospel truth of Lawrence's early life - but it certainly was definitely based on his life in his youth. Later Lawrence has been quoted as saying all of his youth was embodied in this book. I will try to find you the exact quote. I read it in one of my books recently, but since I don't mark books up, I always have trouble locating the exact quotes, etcs. later on. I should put book markers in the pages or keep notes. Actually a friend also told me to read it and said it was Lawrence's own (adolescent/young man) story. That really spurred me on to read the book - curiosity is a great catalyst!

I agree, curiosity is a great catalyst! It's making me want to start immediately this copy of Sons and Lovers which I am having on my table though I know I would be able to enjoy it more in Summer holidays. :p

Pensive

05-06-2007, 04:27 AM

Schokokeks

05-06-2007, 11:22 AM

If you go into the 'Lawrence Short Story' thread you can learn more about Lawrence and his ideas/thoughts/concepts/style of writing. Virgil has written much in there and so have I, now a few more people have joined in and the discussions are getting more and more interesting all the time. Just to read some posts, would be a learning experience for anyone interested in Lawrence.
Good idea, Janine, thanks for suggesting! :nod: I shall skipped through the posts then, and anything not mentioned there will surely be answered in the discussion, with even two avid Laurence fans on board ;).

Janine

05-06-2007, 05:40 PM

Good idea, Janine, thanks for suggesting! :nod: I shall skipped through the posts then, and anything not mentioned there will surely be answered in the discussion, with even two avid Laurence fans on board ;).

Hi again Schokokeks! Glad you are taking my suggestion. Yes, Virgil and I are certainly big fans, but now there seems to be a growing number of new or recently signed on fans, as well. I am so glad. The man certainly wrote enough to keep people reading! Besides his many novels, extensive poetry, short stories (3 volumes), essays, travel books, he wrote countless letters to everyone he knew or even was vaguely acquainted with. How he found all the time and to travel the world in his short 40 plus years is beyond me. He really was quite a genius.

Hi Grace! Yes, what an interesting month to watch the poll; you are quite right - just the beginning of the month and so many votes and a close race at that.

Virgil

05-06-2007, 11:21 PM

Well, since The Rainbow has no chance, I'll have to go with Women In Love. It was on my reading list anyway.

shortysweetp

05-07-2007, 07:58 PM

Pensive

05-08-2007, 11:08 AM

ok so i have had sons and lovers sitting on my bookshelf. I really want to read it and be able to discuss it with all of you.

aww I have missed you guys!! i have been so busy with the house. sorry! but i am back!

so did I miss anything exciting? :D

Hey shorty! :) Perhaps you would like to check out these lit-net member interviews! (http://www.online-literature.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18062) :p

Schokokeks

05-09-2007, 05:04 AM

Oh, shorty, so nice to have you back ! (Remember me, you once helped me to buy the right Narnia book for my brother's birthday :))
Hope to see you around ! :nod:

Anthony Furze

05-13-2007, 09:45 AM

Well, went to the bookshop today, and not a sign of a Lawrence book let alone Women in Love!

I may have to wait till I get to England, unless the choice IS Lady Chatterly...

Janine

05-13-2007, 01:49 PM

Well, went to the bookshop today, and not a sign of a Lawrence book let alone Women in Love!

I may have to wait till I get to England, unless the choice IS Lady Chatterly...

Hi Anthony Furze, Don't dispair. "Women in Love" is available from Amazon. I just looked last night to see which buyer to get it from, but most likely I will buy directly from Amazon for $9.49 (?) new - I know they ship quickly so it will be to my house in plenty of time. I want this newer edition, since the Penquin Cambridge says it includes 2 previously discarded chapters that have been restored plus I believe there are really good notations on the text. I need a more up-to-date portable edition anyway. Check the page count - some have more pages - over 500 and I think those are the books with the missing chapters reinstated. There are two but one is no longer available, that is until Sept. - the one with the lighter cover showing parts of two women on the cover; the darker cover one is basically the same edition, only a few years earlier. Check it out. Hope this helps you depending on where you live.

Schokokeks

05-13-2007, 03:48 PM

Well, went to the bookshop today, and not a sign of a Lawrence book let alone Women in Love!

I may have to wait till I get to England, unless the choice IS Lady Chatterly...
Hm, in case ordering from the internet is difficult too, you could still read the book online (for example, at this site). Not the greatest reading pleasure, to my taste at least :rolleyes:, but better than never reading a Lawrence book ! ;) Hopefully you'll have a chance to join us on whatever read, Anthony ! :)

batkisses

05-14-2007, 11:22 PM

Janine

05-14-2007, 11:44 PM

Hi
I'm new to the forums, so sadly I am unable to vote on this one. I am currently in the middle of chapter 1 of The Rainbow. My goal for the summer is to read several of Lawrence's novels, so I guess any on the list would be fine for me. :)

Welcome to the forum - batkisses, Hi, I love Lawrence's work - all of it. Any and all of the books are good in my opinion. Several of us are currently involved also in another thread of short stories by Lawrence. Please come and check it out sometime. Virgil loves the Rainbow. I read it years ago but do not recall that much about it now. I should re-read it someday. I am sure it is a great book. Do enjoy your reading and will see you in these discussions.

rob91

05-15-2007, 03:51 PM

Hey, I'm pretty new here. The only work of Lawrence's I've read is a short story called "The Horse Dealer's Daughter" which I liked a lot. I'm looking forward to reading one of his novels, so I hope you guys pick a good one :D

Scheherazade

05-15-2007, 05:53 PM

Hi
I'm new to the forums, so sadly I am unable to vote on this one.
I'm looking forward to reading one of his novels, so I hope you guys pick a good one :DHello, Batkisses and Rob! :)

If you increase your post counts before the end of May, you might be able to vote as well.

Looking forward to having you in our discussions. :)

Anthony Furze

05-16-2007, 11:43 AM

Just found The Rainbow-also on line Women in Love. That ll do till I leave for the UK on June 9th.

caspian

05-21-2007, 01:45 AM

Seeing here big fans of Lawrence I'm kind of embarrassed that i don't know him. posts are full of praise. june's reading sounds very tempting...
I'll go with "sons and lovers"

Schokokeks

05-21-2007, 01:34 PM

Janine

05-21-2007, 02:52 PM

Don't worry, caspian, I'm equally ignorant as to Lawrence :). I had only heard his name before.
I read his wikipedia entry the other day in order to get at least some ideas on him before we start reading, and I must say it only made me hungrier to read one of his works. It seems Lawrence is mad, bad, and dangerous to know ;), and who can help being interested in the bad guys :D.

Hi Schokokeks, :lol: mad, bad and dangerous to know! Love that....L is far from a bad guy, but I like the bad guys, too. Villians are always so interesting, don't you think? Lawrence is certainly fascinating to study. It should be a good book read this month and lots to talk about.
You did a good thing looking him up in wikipedia. It is better to know a little about his background, who and what influenced him, his life, etc. On Lit Net there is also a brief biography. I have to tell you, I have read 3 full biographies and I still want to know more about this amazing and cryptic man and his work. I am rather addicted by now to this 'life long pursuit'. I think, given any of the books that shall be picked, you will enjoy reading him.

caspian, that goes for you, also. Don't be embarrassed to not know anything of the author. It is always a good thing to discover someone new and at least try an author's work at least once. Depending on what kind of literature you like or normally read, I think you will find Lawrence's writing style of interest.

Anthony Furze

05-22-2007, 08:53 PM

Finally got hold of Women in Love yesterday.

Janine

05-22-2007, 09:36 PM

Finally got hold of Women in Love yesterday.

Anthony, that's great! How did you get it? Find it online?

Anthony Furze

05-23-2007, 07:44 AM

Our bookshops over here are a little eccentric, even though they re all under one name. I t was tucked away under a host of other neglected classics...

All the best.

Janine

05-23-2007, 03:33 PM

Our bookshops over here are a little eccentric, even though they re all under one name. I t was tucked away under a host of other neglected classics...

All the best.

Anthony, Well, good for you finding it so quickly. Of course, it was England that banned his books, at least for sometime, and many were printed in the US where I live and can get his books easily. I suppose it is hard to find them in other parts of the world. Important thing is you found one. Hope, since it was buried, you got a good deal. I actually got "Sons and Lovers" free in my library in the give-away shelf. I do love that shelf and check it out all the time...you never know what will surface.

If you or anyone is interested in reading or learning more about Lawrence, check out the site at the University of Nottingham - there is a whole section dedicated to Lawrence and it is great! Lots of interesting pictures and even photos of his original manuscripts in his own florid handwriting. I will post the link later on.

Scheherazade

05-29-2007, 01:25 PM

Going once...

Pensive

05-29-2007, 02:18 PM

Anthony, Well, good for you finding it so quickly. Of course, it was England that banned his books, at least for sometime, and many were printed in the US where I live and can get his books easily. I suppose it is hard to find them in other parts of the world. Important thing is you found one. Hope, since it was buried, you got a good deal. I actually got "Sons and Lovers" free in my library in the give-away shelf. I do love that shelf and check it out all the time...you never know what will surface.

If you or anyone is interested in reading or learning more about Lawrence, check out the site at the University of Nottingham - there is a whole section dedicated to Lawrence and it is great! Lots of interesting pictures and even photos of his original manuscripts in his own florid handwriting. I will post the link later on.

I didn't know they had Lawrence's books banned! Actually, in my mother's time (in very early 1980's I think), it was in the list of the books taught in MA English classes. That's why I find it really shocking.

Janine

05-29-2007, 02:47 PM

I didn't know they had Lawrence's books banned! Actually, in my mother's time (in very early 1980's I think), it was in the list of the books taught in MA English classes. That's why I find it really shocking.

Hi Pensive, Most certainly Lawrence did write books that were banned, and many publishers would not touch them. He had to have "Lady Chatterly's Lover" published independently and pay for it himself, then he sold the books independently, as well. Many were actually confiscated. He painted later in his life and had a show and many of the paintings were confiscated, also, which made Lawrence raving mad. Lawrence was quite the 'scandal' of the day and an outrage to the stuffy London society people.
Referring to your mother's time, note that my own time was the 1950's, 1960's 1970's, 80's..... I think I first read Lawrence when I was about 28, so that would place it in the late 70's. Lawrence wrote his books much earlier than all these dates. He started in the early part of the century. It was a much different time back then and his books were quite "racey" for that time; now people would probably say, "What was all the fuss about?" It is the same with many authors, especially Joyce. Lawrence and Joyce broke new ground, but both became self-impossed exiles from the British Isles.
Also, locality makes a big difference. Many of L's novels were first published in the US, so that he became better accepted there. American's accepted his novels more readily than the English. In Europe, he also was accepted, but his own England is where the banning took place. He was bitter about that, among other incidents and felt deep rejection for years about his homeland.
I think if you read either L's biography in Wikipedida, or on this site it will mention all the problems Lawrence had with books getting published. I think that "The Rainbow" also was pulled from shelves originally. I read 3 biographies and England gave Lawrence so much trouble. I will have to look up specific things and get back to you. Presently the 3 biops are like a big soup swimming around in my head. Hard to be specific without reviewing what I have read the last few years.
So Pensive, does this entice you to read Lawrence?

kandaurov

05-29-2007, 03:29 PM

Janine

05-29-2007, 03:41 PM

Hey guys! Janine invited me to participate here, since I'm reading Women in Love for a class. I won't vote for it because I've already read it, but I'd be glad to share my views on it, and read yours, once you all have read it. If Lady Chatterly's Lover wins, however, I just might find some time to try and read it too, since I bought it a week ago and it's begging to have an excuse to be devoured ;)

hi kandaurov, so glad you took my advice. This should be a great discussion. You are permitted to vote since you have the right amount of posts; well, if you change your mind about voting, we still have a few days yet. Discussions take a while to get going so you will have time to finish the book. Everyone avoids spoiling the ending.
Funny, I dreamed the count went to 9 for "Women in Love" and there is it sitting at 9, for several days now. I thought it a really strange dream; I also thought - I need a real life!
I voted on this book, since I feel it is L's best. I noticed either on Lit Net's biography, or in Wikipedia, it states that Lawrence also thought it his best book. If it gets picked I will be thrilled, but "Lady Chatterly's Lover" is short and I must tell you, you will enjoy it, also. I read it several times now. I just think that in "Women in Love" there are more of the Lawrence issues/ideals to discuss. It was written much earlier than Lady Chatterly, which was his last fiction novel.

Virgil

05-29-2007, 03:55 PM

Pensive

05-29-2007, 04:28 PM

Hi Pensive, Most certainly Lawrence did write books that were banned, and many publishers would not touch them. He had to have "Lady Chatterly's Lover" published independently and pay for it himself, then he sold the books independently, as well. Many were actually confiscated. He painted later in his life and had a show and many of the paintings were confiscated, also, which made Lawrence raving mad. Lawrence was quite the 'scandal' of the day and an outrage to the stuffy London society people.
Referring to your mother's time, note that my own time was the 1950's, 1960's 1970's, 80's..... I think I first read Lawrence when I was about 28, so that would place it in the late 70's. Lawrence wrote his books much earlier than all these dates. He started in the early part of the century. It was a much different time back then and his books were quite "racey" for that time; now people would probably say, "What was all the fuss about?" It is the same with many authors, especially Joyce. Lawrence and Joyce broke new ground, but both became self-impossed exiles from the British Isles.
Also, locality makes a big difference. Many of L's novels were first published in the US, so that he became better accepted there. American's accepted his novels more readily than the English. In Europe, he also was accepted, but his own England is where the banning took place. He was bitter about that, among other incidents and felt deep rejection for years about his homeland.
I think if you read either L's biography in Wikipedida, or on this site it will mention all the problems Lawrence had with books getting published. I think that "The Rainbow" also was pulled from shelves originally. I read 3 biographies and England gave Lawrence so much trouble. I will have to look up specific things and get back to you. Presently the 3 biops are like a big soup swimming around in my head. Hard to be specific without reviewing what I have read the last few years.
So Pensive, does this entice you to read Lawrence?

Thanks for clarifying this! It makes perfect sense. :) Yes, this all is compelling me to complete Sons and Lovers as soon as possible which I am now reading. :D

_Shannon_

05-29-2007, 05:05 PM

I am a brand newbie, and can't vote but would love to join in with whatever book is chosen. Lawrence has been on my short list for quite awhile now!

Janine

05-29-2007, 05:24 PM

I am a brand newbie, and can't vote but would love to join in with whatever book is chosen. Lawrence has been on my short list for quite awhile now!

Welcome newbie, Shannon! Anyone can join in - feel free to comment -sorry you can't yet vote. Glad Lawrence is on your "short list" - my own list keeps growing and it is not too short presently; so many books yet to read;) A few more days and we will know the winner. Several of these books are available on this site. Also, there is a short story thread on Lawrence - those are also available on this site. One story will finish up soon and another will be picked for next month. Come check it out, as well. The stories are short and fun to discuss. Enjoy your reading! Janine

_Shannon_

05-29-2007, 06:14 PM

Gracewings

05-29-2007, 07:06 PM

Hi! I'm also not able to vote but plan to join in with the reading as well. :)

Janine

05-29-2007, 10:03 PM

We own all of them, so anyone is great with me. I once started Women in Love and never finished for some reason- so I would lean most heavily towards that one I suppose.

We have a rather large collection of books:blush: - and my husband is enslaved by, uuuhhh that is -works for- Barnes and Noble- so getting a copy of anything is not too much of a challenge.

How do I find the short story thread?? And thanks- Janine for the words of welcome!

Hi again Shannon, So glad you have the books readily available. I love Barnes and Noble but usually go there to browse and end up buying one thing at least. How lucky you are with your hubby working for them. I can imagine how many books you own - wonderful! One can never have enough fine books.
To find the Lawrence section, go to the top and click on Literature Network Forums and you will notice a list below forum listings - tiny lettering of all the authors, click on Lawrence and you should get to his page, or a list of the Forums pertaining to him online. Some of the short stories are under the title of the book "England, My England".
I will check myself how to get to the main page for Lawrence and get back to you. I always have to poke around to go from these forums to Lawrence's biography page. Maybe try putting Lawrence biography in search and see if that works. Once there all the works are listed on the left-hand side.

Hi, Gracewings, and welcome to the forum and to this thread. This is great - so many people interested in Lawrence. This should be a super discussion this month. I am very happy you will be joining in. Sorry you cannot yet vote; but you will accumulate posts faster than you even imagined. Have fun and hope to see you soon, especially in here.:)

Janine

05-30-2007, 05:46 PM

This is easier - this will take you all directly to the Lawrence page in this forum:

http://www.online-literature.com/dh_lawrence/

To find a full list of the authors - just click on Literature Network Forums at the top of this thread heading and then you will see the last block in forums is blue (to the left) and says "List of Authors with available E-Texts." Click on that and it will take you to all the authors and their biography pages and available texts.

Scheherazade

05-30-2007, 05:54 PM

Going twice...

NickAdams

06-01-2007, 01:28 PM

So it's Women in Love? I'm sitting this one out, so I can finish Light in August and Beckett's trilogy this month. When does the poll for July start?

Scheherazade

06-01-2007, 01:31 PM

So it's Women in Love? I'm sitting this one out, so I can finish Light in August and Beckett's trilogy this month. When does the poll for July start?I might end up sitting this one out too as I am still trying to finish Owen Meany! :blush:

July poll will start in half an hour or so if you lemme! ;)

NickAdams

06-01-2007, 01:37 PM

July poll will start in half an hour or so if you lemme! ;)

:banana:

Turk

06-01-2007, 08:01 PM

Before marriage;
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a0/DH_Lawrence_1906.jpg/180px-DH_Lawrence_1906.jpg

After marriage;
http://www.online-literature.com/authorpics/dh_lawrence.jpg

Virgil

06-01-2007, 08:04 PM

hahaha, well Turk as someone who in a few weeks will have been married seventeen years, I have to say you've got a point. ;) But marriage is in most cases good for you.

Turk

06-01-2007, 08:13 PM

hahaha, well Turk as someone who in a few weeks will have been married seventeen years, I have to say you've got a point. ;) But marriage is in most cases good for you.

Certainly. We marry because if we all would try to hire a cook, a maid, a servant that would cost really expensive. That's why we find a woman who have all of those abilities. And as men, we think we are so smart; although 2 years later we suddenly realize how stupid we are; cuz a woman costs much more than a maid, a cook and a servant. Also she will summon some children too. ;)

Ok, enough fun. In fact i believe women are presents of God and i will marry in a year probly too. :)

Scheherazade

06-01-2007, 08:27 PM

Certainly. We marry because if we all would try to hire a cook, a maid, a servant that would cost really expensive. That's why we find a woman who have all of those abilities. And as men, we think we are so smart; although 2 years later we suddenly realize how stupid we are; cuz a woman costs much more than a maid, a cook and a servant.Why do women have small feet?
So they can stand closer to the sink! :D
Also she will summon some children too. ;)From her parents' house, no doubt! ;)

Ok, enough fun. In fact i believe women are presents of God and i will marry in a year probly too. :)Oh, here comes the disclaimer! :D

Janine

06-02-2007, 12:14 AM

Was browsing around online and found some neat photos, but they are really small. If you go to the site:

http://www.dh-lawrence.org.uk/ you can see a many neat photos, also I think there is an online exhibit at this link.

You can also find much information and pictures at:

The Lawrence Circle - D H Lawrence Resourses - Manuscripts and Special Collections - The University of Nottingham

Lawrence as a young man
http://www.nottingham.ac.ik/mss/online/dhlawrence/circle.phtml
Childhood photo
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p70/sealace/LawrenceYoungMan.jpg

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p70/sealace/Lawrencechildhood.jpg

LawrenceCollegePhoto
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p70/sealace/LawrenceCollegePhoto.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p70/sealace/Lawrence5.jpg

Poster for the exhibit
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p70/sealace/YoungLawrence.jpg

Frieda - Lawrence's wife
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p70/sealace/FriedaWeekley.jpg

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p70/sealace/Lawrence6.jpg

quasimodo1

06-02-2007, 05:00 PM

Looks like :"Women in Love" won. I read it in school, a long time ago, I'll get a copy and join in on this one. quasimodo1

Janine

06-02-2007, 05:12 PM

Looks like :"Women in Love" won. I read it in school, a long time ago, I'll get a copy and join in on this one. quasimodo1

Hi Quasi, Great! glad you can join in; another discusser....the more the merrier! :lol:

Scheherazade

06-02-2007, 05:59 PM

Pensive, Janine and anyone else who has been following the Sons and Lovers discussion>

I have moved the related posts to a new thread in DH Lawrence subforum so that anyone who is interested in future might benefit from your enlightening posts as well:

http://www.online-literature.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25361

Janine

06-03-2007, 01:11 AM

Thanks Scherherazade, good to have that separate thread for "Sons and Lovers". Now Pensive and I, and anyone else can discuss the book when she finishes it.

NickAdams

06-03-2007, 01:16 AM

Before marriage
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p70/sealace/YoungLawrence.jpg

After marriage
http://mnm.uib.es/gallir/wp-content/thumb-gollum.jpg

Anthony Furze

06-03-2007, 02:36 AM

Janine

06-03-2007, 03:51 PM

My students have a couple of exams tomorrow so Im acompanying them for the morning one-English Language, 3 hours and 15 minutes- I ll take Lawrence along with me to begin, while they re inside.

Im off to England on the ninth so thats my flight reading sorted! Im not sure how/when/if I ll be able to be in touch over there but I ll be back on the 28th July so I hope the discussion is thriving, still.

A very good read to you all.

Anthony, have a great trip! Wish I could go, too.(*jealous*) My dream is to set foot on English soil. Wow, I hope you can get to see something bit Lawrence history...maybe his birthplace....or the exhibit at Nottingham University or the grave (not really his, but his parents and his name is on the tombstone). At anyrate if you can't, still it is so appropriate that you are reading Lawence on your flight into England. Lawrence would like that idea I am sure. Have a great time in the UK!

Nick Adams, I don't really appreciate that photo of Golum, is it?
In defense of my beloved images of D.H.Lawrence, I must say that the first photo posted prior to these (the post that got moved) were Lawrence at a very young age - maybe about 21, 22....then the second, with the beard, an older one; if you notice he was much thinner and he is at least 10-15 yrs older than the first. First off, Lawrence suffered his whole life with lung problems, that were eventually diagnosed as TB, and eventually took his life. He grew the long beard during a bad bought of illness - pneumonia - when he nearly died. He said the beard kept his face and neck warm and prevented him getting sick again with flus and colds. Of course despite it yearly would get a bad cold, usually around Christmas. Anyway, L had some strange notions and the beard was one of them. So cut the guy a break! He was ill and changed considerably from his early photos when he was in better health.

I see they are still there - the other set of photos on page before this one. So this email is also partly to Turk (for further information) but still his joke was somewhat suble and funny.

Scheherazade

06-03-2007, 06:37 PM

Before marriage:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a0/DH_Lawrence_1906.jpg/180px-DH_Lawrence_1906.jpg

A possible representation of how he would have looked if he hadn't got married:

http://www.reuniting.info/images/caveman.jpg

Turk

06-03-2007, 06:58 PM

Well Sehrazad, actually if you look careful the second one looks quite happy and relaxed. :)

Scheherazade

06-03-2007, 07:00 PM

Well Sehrazad, actually if you look careful the second one looks quite happy and relaxed. :)But of course... As the old saying goes, 'Ignorance is bliss.'

;)

quasimodo1

06-03-2007, 07:27 PM

I thought "Women in Love" won this pool. yes? quasi

Scheherazade

06-03-2007, 07:31 PM

I thought "Women in Love" won this pool. yes? quasiYes, Quasimodo. Women in Love won this poll but Pensive is reading Sons and Lovers on her own.

The Women in Love discussion thread is here:

http://www.online-literature.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25347

Turk

06-03-2007, 07:37 PM

But of course... As the old saying goes, 'Ignorance is bliss.'

;)

Yeah, true. In fact it's one of most important themes of my favorite novel's (maybe top one); Notes From Underground.

quasimodo1

06-03-2007, 07:57 PM

From the dapper handsome fellow to Golum is quite the distortion. Obviously someone had never been married, happily so. quasimodo1

Janine

06-03-2007, 08:30 PM

Scher, - now your latest rendition of the joke is the best - it really made me laugh! I think maybe they have identical expressions but they are looking in different directions. Newly wedded 'bliss' on top photo and ignorance is 'bliss' on bottom picture.

batkisses

06-07-2007, 12:39 PM

I actually got "Sons and Lovers" free in my library in the give-away shelf. I do love that shelf and check it out all the time...you never know what will surface.

I recently had a similar experience. The library was having a book sale and I found a copy of Sons and Lovers there. At $1.00 per bag of books, it was practically free. :D

I also found The Rainbow/Lady Chatterly's Lover as a combined edition for less than a dollar in the Amazon.com marketplace. Women in Love was also under a dollar there.

We read a couple of the short stories in a class I took and I really enjoyed them. I hope I enjoy the novels as much. I am going rather slowly through The Rainbow but so far it has been a good read.

grace86

06-07-2007, 12:42 PM

I just picked up a copy of Women in Love, after having started reading it online. Unfortunately it was not one dollar, but five is pretty good too!

I can't believe it is so cheap to read books today. Makes one wonder.

batkisses

06-07-2007, 12:49 PM

I plan to start Women in Love after I finish The Rainbow. Hopefully the discussion will still be going when I get done...I tend to read kind of slow, especially when there are so many other things demanding my attention

grace86

06-07-2007, 01:04 PM

Good luck batkisses, I understand completely. Currently reading three novels. Have fun though. So far I like Lawrence.

Janine

06-07-2007, 02:01 PM

I recently had a similar experience. The library was having a book sale and I found a copy of Sons and Lovers there. At $1.00 per bag of books, it was practically free. :D

I also found The Rainbow/Lady Chatterly's Lover as a combined edition for less than a dollar in the Amazon.com marketplace. Women in Love was also under a dollar there.

We read a couple of the short stories in a class I took and I really enjoyed them. I hope I enjoy the novels as much. I am going rather slowly through The Rainbow but so far it has been a good read.

Hi batkisses, glad you found all those books so reasonally priced. I buy from Amazon all the time. Most times I am totally satisfied and you can't beat the discount prices.:)

I plan to start Women in Love after I finish The Rainbow. Hopefully the discussion will still be going when I get done...I tend to read kind of slow, especially when there are so many other things demanding my attention.

Good for you - reading both - quite an ambitious endeavor. I hope you will complete them both in time to discuss WIL. So far the discussions are going well; they are off to a good start, I think. But I will be anxiously waiting more participants. I read slow, also, which can be a real problem. So far with WIL I seem to be reading at a good pace and enjoying the book completely. Lawrence's writing is very fluid and flows nicely. I read both books many many years ago, but don't recall specific scenes and so it seems very fresh and new to me re-reading WIL. Also, my perspectives have changed since my first reading.

I know you are so busy, trying to read the two books, but we are doing a short story in the SS L thread, "The Shakes of Spring" , if you would be interested. It is a very short one and more simplified this time around: I am sure it will prove to be a good discussion.

Good luck batkisses, I understand completely. Currently reading three novels. Have fun though. So far I like Lawrence.

Hi Grace, I recall you saying, in another thread, that you were attempting something your had never done before - reading 3 books at once. Wow! How is that going so far?
I am glad you are enjoying the Lawrence book. So far in the main discussion thread it has gotten good response and everyone seems to like the book so far. We are discussing it already as we go along, loosely about certain parts of each chapter that stand out. SO stop in and give us some good comments. I would like to know your impressions of the book and the writing style.
Good luck and have fun with all your reading! Janine :)