What is humanity in your point of view?

[shadowy girl]

What is humanity in your point of view? :idea:

oh, :yawnb: , just a silly question I wanted to ask humans many times before...:)

Cuz I sort humans into two kinds:

Human humans: which are like angels that fell from heaven! Even thought they make some mistakes, but they care, they feel, they are human in all good meanings of humanity...! Also hard to find.

Un-human humans: which are only in the shape of humans, but have got the minds of wild and untame animals! you know what I mean by that.:crash:

The funny thing is that about 80% (just a guess) from the people I know, or knew one day, are from the second kind.. :( :bawling:

Did I say funny? I ment the awful, dreadful, dramatic thing!:(

I'm sick and tired of those human beings... that cretisize one, so not to feel that they are less great,and to prove that if they weren't perfect, then no one is.

so, what do you think about human livings and humanity?
Are you even human?
God gave us, humans (ugh):sick: , brains to think with, but we don't use them, not a bit!

That's why some animals have got more feelings than us!

why should we think? but we exist cuz we think! I don't want any of the second kind to exist, you know why? cuz I think they don't worth life...

Your turn (seeking some opinions!).:D

[Pensive]

Unpredictable.

[Lote-Tree]

What a piece of work is man!
How noble in reason!
how infinite in faculties!
in form and moving, how express and admirable!
in action how like an angel!
in apprehension, how like a god!

[cuppajoe_9]

I think that humans are for the most part pretty good people. When they aren't I feel that most of it can be explained by the less-than-ideal social conditions which we've set up for ourselves and which, because of the forum restrictions of political discussion, I will not further discuss.

[shadowy girl]

well, it' your opinion...
what I'm trying to say is that since humans lived on eath they were weather evil or good, but humans after all.
and humans these days are more awful than ever!

[cuppajoe_9]

and humans these days are more awful than ever!Oh, I doubt that. The hunter-gatherer societies apparently reduced the human population of the earth by half in wars more than once. In the 16th century, cat burning – which is exactly what it sounds like – was popular entertainment. Other relics of the past:


Cruelty as popular entertainment, human sacrifice to indulge superstition, slavery as a labor-saving device, genocide for convenience, torture and mutilation as routine forms of punishment, execution for trivial crimes and misdemeanors, assassination as a means of political succession, pogroms as an outlet for frustration, and homicide as the major means of conflict resolution.I think that, on the whole, the trend towards "better" people is fairly promising.

Source: Stephen Pinker's excellent essay The Decline of Violence (http://www.edge.org/q2007/q07_1.html#pinker).

[shadowy girl]

You're making some sense here..thanks for your opinion!

[Pendragon]

Humanity

To err, they say, makes one a simple human.
To forgive error begins to border on the divine.
“I think—therefore I am.” That’s the common rumor,
For it is what we think that orders our decline.
This past century saw our race make a lot of progress,
Most of us never rode a horse or ever milked a cow;
Still I wonder if our findings haven’t run to excess—
With questions about when, where, why, and how.
A world not satisfied with any time of simple answers,
Far from content to let God control the roll of the dice.
We wish to know everything—hang the dangers!
Allow ourselves to even try to create the source of life!
But your question was about what makes humanity:
There is a word that’s perfect though: Curiosity…

Pendragon
© 4/28/07

[Debrasue]

For me......to be human is the ability to have compassion....even without understanding.......and not just the desire, but also the responsibility to act on it, if possible, & maybe at your own risk! Just my short & simple opinion....

Debrasue

[Adolescent09]

Oh, I doubt that. The hunter-gatherer societies apparently reduced the human population of the earth by half in wars more than once. In the 16th century, cat burning – which is exactly what it sounds like – was popular entertainment. Other relics of the past:

I think that, on the whole, the trend towards "better" people is fairly promising.

Source: Stephen Pinker's excellent essay The Decline of Violence (http://www.edge.org/q2007/q07_1.html#pinker).

Man your replies are always so intelligent. I wish I could come up with those kinds of profound thoughts :(

[shadowy girl]

Humanity

To err, they say, makes one a simple human.
To forgive error begins to border on the divine.
“I think—therefore I am.” That’s the common rumor,
For it is what we think that orders our decline.
This past century saw our race make a lot of progress,
Most of us never rode a horse or ever milked a cow;
Still I wonder if our findings haven’t run to excess—
With questions about when, where, why, and how.
A world not satisfied with any time of simple answers,
Far from content to let God control the roll of the dice.
We wish to know everything—hang the dangers!
Allow ourselves to even try to create the source of life!
But your question was about what makes humanity:
There is a word that’s perfect though: Curiosity…

Pendragon
© 4/28/07

this was beatiful, just the right answer on my question...


For me......to be human is the ability to have compassion....even without understanding.......and not just the desire, but also the responsibility to act on it, if possible, & maybe at your own risk! Just my short & simple opinion....

Debrasue

Short and simple, and makes perfect sense, I know there are no many people that hate their lives like me, bu tI hate it Cuz I hate most humans I know... :(


Quote:
Originally Posted by cuppajoe_9
Oh, I doubt that. The hunter-gatherer societies apparently reduced the human population of the earth by half in wars more than once. In the 16th century, cat burning – which is exactly what it sounds like – was popular entertainment. Other relics of the past:

I think that, on the whole, the trend towards "better" people is fairly promising.

Source: Stephen Pinker's excellent essay The Decline of Violence.

Man your replies are always so intelligent. I wish I could come up with those kinds of profound thoughts

indeed, his replies make one die in embaresment!


What a piece of work is man!
How noble in reason!
how infinite in faculties!
in form and moving, how express and admirable!
in action how like an angel!
in apprehension, how like a god!

ya, not all men!


Unpredictable.
Good saying! :)

[kem]

i think humanity has to do with the fact that we have minds, superior brain work and physique n that we are an image of God. we have emotions and are able to express ourselves

[shadowy girl]

Wonderful saying, but I wish we know how to use those brains!

[Lote-Tree]

ya, not all men!


LOL - thread is about Humanity as oppose to men :-)
In apprehension how like God!

[shadowy girl]

:p :) :) I'll take as much as you can give!

[cuppajoe_9]

Man your replies are always so intelligent. I wish I could come up with those kinds of profound thoughts :(You're pretty deep yourself, Adol, but I hardly think that cribbing from Stephen Pinker qualifies me as an intellectual.

[Debrasue]

shadowy girl........are you really shy, mad & heartbroken? This makes me sad....is there anything we can do to show you that you are not alone? And that even though we don't know you we can still care about you?

"Ask not for whom the bells toles...it toles for thee......" Is that Hemmingway? Sorry I can't remember at the moment.....going to look it up....but reflects how I feel right now ........ Love, Debrasue

[Debrasue]

Pendragon, I love "Charades" ! Thank you!

Debrasue

[J A S M I N E S]

shadowy girl........are you really shy, mad & heartbroken? This makes me sad....is there anything we can do to show you that you are not alone? And that even though we don't know you we can still care about you?


like that - humanity - for me
the reaction here so humanity cuz he care for ur sadness & loneliness

[J A S M I N E S]

Indifference is the essence of inhumanity


George Bernard Shaw

[CountingSheep]

Indifference is the essence of inhumanity


George Bernard Shaw



If only.

[shadowy girl]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Debrasue
shadowy girl........are you really shy, mad & heartbroken? This makes me sad....is there anything we can do to show you that you are not alone? And that even though we don't know you we can still care about you?


I believe this is humanity! :) thank you really, but others are helping now, sorry for making you sad....

[kathycf]

I know there are no many people that hate their lives like me, bu tI hate it Cuz I hate most humans I know... :(

Well, I tend to not want to interact with people a lot myself. I recognize that feeling that way is not the most healthy way to deal with life. Most people are social, in the sense that they need some sort of interaction with at least one other person.

I think it is sad that you feel like you hate most of the people in your life. Hatred is a very draining and tiring emotion and really has the most negative impact on the one who is doing the hating. Does that sound like I am being "preachy"? I am not meaning it to be, I just think hatred is such an unproductive thing. I have good reason to hate a few people in my life, but it really isn't going to make me feel better about me in the long run.

Well, to get back to your original question...humans are a mixed bag. We all have traits that aren't so great, but very few people are 100% bad.

[Debrasue]

shadowy girl,
I am so glad you have people who care about you........I am relieved! I read somewhere that "anger" alot of times is the way humans react when their feelings have been hurt in some way.........I believe that when someone is angry with you (me) that's when maybe they need the most understanding & compassion........when you step on someone's toes don't they yell "ouch!" They're feelings are hurt cause you were careless with them & your feelings get hurt because it was an accident.......it can turn into a draining, dizzying spiral.........I know.......been there myself!

[Countess]

Humanity

To err, they say, makes one a simple human.
To forgive error begins to border on the divine.
“I think—therefore I am.” That’s the common rumor,
For it is what we think that orders our decline.
This past century saw our race make a lot of progress,
Most of us never rode a horse or ever milked a cow;
Still I wonder if our findings haven’t run to excess—
With questions about when, where, why, and how.
A world not satisfied with any time of simple answers,
Far from content to let God control the roll of the dice.
We wish to know everything—hang the dangers!
Allow ourselves to even try to create the source of life!
But your question was about what makes humanity:
There is a word that’s perfect though: Curiosity…

Pendragon
© 4/28/07

Very Nice, Pendragon!

This is my view of humanity:

9/5/2001

Heaven on Earth?
I look around me and within me and all I see is sin and misery.
I see people passing notes in class and talking in the stairwell, prating
politics.
I hear them register their opinions—“neutral”—on ruptured relationships
hemorrhaging believers.
“Neutral?”* How can one possibly be neutral mourning decay and division?
For my heart bleeds at this gaping wound threatening amputation.

I look around me and within me and all I see is sin and misery.
They say it started with the Columbine killings
--15 shot dead, including martyrs and slayers—
but did it really start with Columbine?* Did it really?
Or did it start in the heart of man when he heard that God was dead.

I look around me and within me and all I see is sin and misery
17 cherubic faces laughing and playing,
now lie in the morgue, cold from the curse of Cain,
45 less days in the company of their parents
and they could have lived again.

I look around me and within me and all I see is sin and misery...
and death, and disease, and divorce, and depression,
crime of the heart,
crime of the flesh,
a crime committed in passion,
and my own sin magnified 1000x in the heart of my child
while dialectical materialism is running wild, running wild...

Matter matters, and what is not matter does not matter.
Doctrine does matter, relationships do not—unless they’re worthy of church gossip, and then they do.
So lets perpetuate the dissent and discord and the malcontent
whispering words behinds their backs...

I look around me and within me and all I see is sin and misery
and I cry out to God, “Why?” and “Why?”
why the futile death of this innocent child?
He did no harm save love his mom and dad.

and I cry out to God, “Why? and “Why?”
why the conflict and contention
and competing for what is right?
And why a thousand ways to read
with each eye discerning differently?

and I cry out to God “Why?” and “Why?”
Why do you forbear and why so endure?
For we are a wicked, wicked human race
depraved, destitute and so degraded
In pride we do not beg nor plead with you
for your Mercy and Grace.

And so I pray
please hurl justice down
and right size this place for good.

Notice the date on that poem.

[Pendragon]

Yes I notice the date very well, Countess. And 6 days later... http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l108/AbsalomKane/911.gif

I will never understand... Like so many other things throughout History, I will never understand... And perhaps that's what keep us from going totally insane... is that we cannot understand, so we mourn, if our hearts are not hardened past all humanity... we mourn, even for the misguided souls that cause the anguish, for they have families that loose someone as well... light the votive candles and never forget, for if we cannot remember history, we are doomed to repeat it... http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l108/AbsalomKane/Smilies/Peace.gif

[shadowy girl]

Well, I tend to not want to interact with people a lot myself. I recognize that feeling that way is not the most healthy way to deal with life. Most people are social, in the sense that they need some sort of interaction with at least one other person.

I think it is sad that you feel like you hate most of the people in your life. Hatred is a very draining and tiring emotion and really has the most negative impact on the one who is doing the hating. Does that sound like I am being "preachy"? I am not meaning it to be, I just think hatred is such an unproductive thing. I have good reason to hate a few people in my life, but it really isn't going to make me feel better about me in the long run.

Well, to get back to your original question...humans are a mixed bag. We all have traits that aren't so great, but very few people are 100% bad.

I beleve I was born an unsocial person, and I also believe that my hate is mixed with misery... I'm very sensitive.. Indeed! :( No one is 100% bad, but they are "very" bad... some only... I know I shouldn't feel this way.. but I do.. I can't change my feelings, cuz I feel unvoluntary...


shadowy girl,
I am so glad you have people who care about you........I am relieved! I read somewhere that "anger" alot of times is the way humans react when their feelings have been hurt in some way.........I believe that when someone is angry with you (me) that's when maybe they need the most understanding & compassion........when you step on someone's toes don't they yell "ouch!" They're feelings are hurt cause you were careless with them & your feelings get hurt because it was an accident.......it can turn into a draining, dizzying spiral.........I know.......been there myself!

I have people that care, but they are so few.. thanks.
I rarely react when I get hurt, I prefare to saty locked in my room.
when I am a bit happy, then people see it as a strange thing... they love me Sad!!



Very Nice, Pendragon!

This is my view of humanity:

9/5/2001

Heaven on Earth?
I look around me and within me and all I see is sin and misery.
I see people passing notes in class and talking in the stairwell, prating
politics.
I hear them register their opinions—“neutral”—on ruptured relationships
hemorrhaging believers.
“Neutral?”* How can one possibly be neutral mourning decay and division?
For my heart bleeds at this gaping wound threatening amputation.

I look around me and within me and all I see is sin and misery.
They say it started with the Columbine killings
--15 shot dead, including martyrs and slayers—
but did it really start with Columbine?* Did it really?
Or did it start in the heart of man when he heard that God was dead.

I look around me and within me and all I see is sin and misery
17 cherubic faces laughing and playing,
now lie in the morgue, cold from the curse of Cain,
45 less days in the company of their parents
and they could have lived again.

I look around me and within me and all I see is sin and misery...
and death, and disease, and divorce, and depression,
crime of the heart,
crime of the flesh,
a crime committed in passion,
and my own sin magnified 1000x in the heart of my child
while dialectical materialism is running wild, running wild...

Matter matters, and what is not matter does not matter.
Doctrine does matter, relationships do not—unless they’re worthy of church gossip, and then they do.
So lets perpetuate the dissent and discord and the malcontent
whispering words behinds their backs...

I look around me and within me and all I see is sin and misery
and I cry out to God, “Why?” and “Why?”
why the futile death of this innocent child?
He did no harm save love his mom and dad.

and I cry out to God, “Why? and “Why?”
why the conflict and contention
and competing for what is right?
And why a thousand ways to read
with each eye discerning differently?

and I cry out to God “Why?” and “Why?”
Why do you forbear and why so endure?
For we are a wicked, wicked human race
depraved, destitute and so degraded
In pride we do not beg nor plead with you
for your Mercy and Grace.

And so I pray
please hurl justice down
and right size this place for good.

Notice the date on that poem

Touching, thank you!

[Neo_Sephiroth]

What a piece of work is man!
How noble in reason!
how infinite in faculties!
in form and moving, how express and admirable!
in action how like an angel!
in apprehension, how like a god!

Ain't this Pope? "An Essay on Man"?

Anyway, my view of humanity? Don't know...Can't think of anything at the moment...:sick: I'll get back to this.

[Debrasue]

Shadowy girl,
Your emotions are your own...you have a right to them and you are entitled to them! Including happiness! But....in the end....when all is said & done....you & you alone are responsible & accountable for them.

I look around me and I see....
parents hugging their children when they fall down,
I look around me and I see...
Mother Theresa, Lady Di, & the Dali Llama (?),
I look around me & I see.....
My neighbor bringing me roses & tomatoes from her garden, just because.......
I look around me & I see....
A burned & disfigured young soldier,walking hand in hand with his beautiful young wife,
I look around me and I see people we don't even know,
sharing feelings, embracing each others differences, and edifying each other....in a literature forum....
I see a shy,sensitive, beautiful shadowy girl.......
Who has inspired us... in her own unique way....to respond.

[littlewing53]

aren't we darwinian evolving monkeys playing with sticks and rocks who have changed from living in caves and roaming the earth to living in houses playing at being civilized? ... of course not!... but it's something to consider...

[cuppajoe_9]

aren't we darwinian evolving monkeys playing with sticks and rocks who have changed from living in caves and roaming the earth to living in houses playing at being civilized? ... of course not!... but it's something to consider...I've never understood what's wrong with having monkeys in one's family tree. There are plenty of unplesant characters within the human family tree already. Nobody who reads this is more distantly related to Hitler, for example, than fiftieth cousin. For people such as myself with recent Germanic ancestry, he's much closer. It says nothing about me.

[cuppajoe_9]

"Ask not for whom the bells toles...it toles for thee......" Is that Hemmingway?John Donne, actually, but that's who Hemmingway was thinking of when he titled For Whom the Bell Tolls. It's taken from the same essay as that old chestnut about "no man is an island unto himself", actually.

[kathycf]

I beleve I was born an unsocial person, and I also believe that my hate is mixed with misery... I'm very sensitive.. Indeed! :( No one is 100% bad, but they are "very" bad... some only... I know I shouldn't feel this way.. but I do.. I can't change my feelings, cuz I feel unvoluntary...

Actually, you are in control of your mind and can change your feelings. I know, nothing I say is going to convince you otherwise, and I would only come off seeming condescending and preachy if I tried, so I won't do that.

You have a right to feel the way you do, but I will repeat that I think hatred hurts the one who hates the most.

[Debrasue]

Thanks cuppajoe 9! I'm afraid I'm a little like Sir Walter Scott when it comes to quoting precisely..I kinda go with it organically.....go with the emotion of the moment before it's lost....who knows....someone I otherwise wouldn't encounter will respond & make my day!

Monkeys are wonderful..........but I wouldn't want to marry one... I have enough monkey-business going on in my own family tree!LOL! trying to maintain my own humanity towards them can be exasperating.......but I love a good challenge......

Debrasue

[shadowy girl]

Quote:
Originally Posted by shadowy girl
I beleve I was born an unsocial person, and I also believe that my hate is mixed with misery... I'm very sensitive.. Indeed! No one is 100% bad, but they are "very" bad... some only... I know I shouldn't feel this way.. but I do.. I can't change my feelings, cuz I feel unvoluntary...
Actually, you are in control of your mind and can change your feelings. I know, nothing I say is going to convince you otherwise, and I would only come off seeming condescending and preachy if I tried, so I won't do that.

You have a right to feel the way you do, but I will repeat that I think hatred hurts the one who hates the most.

I know hate hurts.. I am convinsed of that, but I can't change my feelings, cuz I tried before, and I tried again... and the result was always failing. :(


Quote:

Originally Posted by shadowy girl
I beleve I was born an unsocial person, and I also believe that my hate is mixed with misery... I'm very sensitive.. Indeed! No one is 100% bad, but they are "very" bad... some only... I know I shouldn't feel this way.. but I do.. I can't change my feelings, cuz I feel unvoluntary...
Actually, you are in control of your mind and can change your feelings. I know, nothing I say is going to convince you otherwise, and I would only come off seeming condescending and preachy if I tried, so I won't do that. You have a right to feel the way you do, but I will repeat that I think hatred hurts the one who hates the most.

As I said,I can't change my feelings, but please--please try to convinse me.

[mtpspur]

It's not my place to convince you. When I come to the end of myself I discover two things--the Lord Christ still loves me and the long suffering wife loves me anyway. And I have done evil to both. I'm 55 and the truth is that there will always be 'demons' of sorts to battle within and without. I believe you're on the right path--looking for peace for yourself within yourself. I tend to stomp on the feelings because most of my sins were committed following their lead. However trying to do the Mr. Spock with the logical approach leads dangerously close to the hardening of the heart. I believe their is a balance. I also believe there is peace to found if you 'really' want it. Some like the towers they imprison themselves in. It can be very aluring in its ability to temporarily soothe the private torments we all go thru . Hope this helps. My mother, for instance, though she would deny this strongly loves to play the martyr and after all these years is almost incapable of experiencing joy. (Note: This is an example--I don't from reading your posts believe that THIS is what you are doing. But posting is like shooting arrows in the dark--most miss and you look long for the hits. With respect--Rich

[kathycf]

I know hate hurts.. I am convinsed of that, but I can't change my feelings, cuz I tried before, and I tried again... and the result was always failing. :(



As I said,I can't change my feelings, but please--please try to convinse me.
I tend to agree with mtpspur...it isn't my place to convince you.

I think one thing might be to reflect on the people who responded to you in this thread...nobody posted here because they were forced to. People posted in this thread because they read what you had to say and wanted to respond to you. I think that says there are people who are willing to listen.

I remember when I was about 9 or 10 years old. Nothing would convince me there were good people in the world, because my own limited experience taught me so. Now I am much older and my personal experience of the world has taught me that yes, there are bad people...but there are also quite a few decent and caring folks too.

[Lote-Tree]

I remember when I was about 9 or 10 years old. Nothing would convince me there were good people in the world, because my own limited experience taught me so.


I had the opposite experience Kath. World was a magical for me at that age. Then experience has taught me later that there are also "evil" magic at work too. But good thing is that "Good" magic is slightly more powerful than the dark magic...gosh I am talking like a jedi now!

May the Force be with you all...

[Serenata]

It's great to see that this topic weighs on other people. I've begun to feel like no one else notices. I've been struggling recently to find the good in people. Some people just radiate it, others....not so much. It is wonderful to read about people whose eye's aren't glazed completely over.

[Countess]

For me, forgiveness was decompression from hate and led to great spiritual freedom from the shackles I allowed others to place upon me.

The "Anonymous" programs say when you hate, "people are living rent-free in your head". Effectively, you're giving them total power over you.

With forgiveness, you are no longer a slave to cause and effect; you can choose to react with kindness, "overcoming evil with good".

This is a choice, I will add, but you have to be ready to make that choice.

Finally, the only way I have been able to reconcile the evil with the good in this world is to say while I hate humanity, I love the individual. If antisocial is defined as an intense hatred of one's species, then I'm guilty. If antisocial is defined as an intense hatred of one's fellow man, then I am not guilty.

For this reason - although I despise the concept of humanity and what we do as a people - I can never hurt another human being, because each one has feelings, thoughts, experiences and I am no better than them.

Only by the Grace of God go I. This is just my experience.

[Lote-Tree]

Ain't this Pope? "An Essay on Man"?

Anyway, my view of humanity? Don't know...Can't think of anything at the moment...:sick: I'll get back to this.


No. It is William Shakespeare - Hamlet.

[shadowy girl]

It's not my place to convince you. When I come to the end of myself I discover two things--the Lord Christ still loves me and the long suffering wife loves me anyway. And I have done evil to both. I'm 55 and the truth is that there will always be 'demons' of sorts to battle within and without. I believe you're on the right path--looking for peace for yourself within yourself. I tend to stomp on the feelings because most of my sins were committed following their lead. However trying to do the Mr. Spock with the logical approach leads dangerously close to the hardening of the heart. I believe their is a balance. I also believe there is peace to found if you 'really' want it. Some like the towers they imprison themselves in. It can be very aluring in its ability to temporarily soothe the private torments we all go thru . Hope this helps. My mother, for instance, though she would deny this strongly loves to play the martyr and after all these years is almost incapable of experiencing joy. (Note: This is an example--I don't from reading your posts believe that THIS is what you are doing. But posting is like shooting arrows in the dark--most miss and you look long for the hits. With respect--Rich

It's not like that, but I'm ready to change my mind, misery and hate that took over me, It wasn't me who called them to come, you're right about that I'm shooting arrows in the dark, Cuz I never shot the Target.. but you guys are here to light the way for me, aren't you?



I tend to agree with mtpspur...it isn't my place to convince you.

I think one thing might be to reflect on the people who responded to you in this thread...nobody posted here because they were forced to. People posted in this thread because they read what you had to say and wanted to respond to you. I think that says there are people who are willing to listen.

I remember when I was about 9 or 10 years old. Nothing would convince me there were good people in the world, because my own limited experience taught me so. Now I am much older and my personal experience of the world has taught me that yes, there are bad people...but there are also quite a few decent and caring folks too.

Well, I'm living an experience now! so I'm learning here... and now I believe that many people are good, cuz many agreed to listen to my problem, maybe it's hust my atmosphare that made me think that all people are bad, I mean most people, and now I'm meeting new great people...

[shadowy girl]

For me, forgiveness was decompression from hate and led to great spiritual freedom from the shackles I allowed others to place upon me.

The "Anonymous" programs say when you hate, "people are living rent-free in your head". Effectively, you're giving them total power over you.

With forgiveness, you are no longer a slave to cause and effect; you can choose to react with kindness, "overcoming evil with good".

This is a choice, I will add, but you have to be ready to make that choice.

Finally, the only way I have been able to reconcile the evil with the good in this world is to say while I hate humanity, I love the individual. If antisocial is defined as an intense hatred of one's species, then I'm guilty. If antisocial is defined as an intense hatred of one's fellow man, then I am not guilty.

For this reason - although I despise the concept of humanity and what we do as a people - I can never hurt another human being, because each one has feelings, thoughts, experiences and I am no better than them.

Only by the Grace of God go I. This is just my experience.

I think people forget what huimanity is all about, they, most of them, forgot forgiveness, and ennocent love.. etc.

Good to know that you can't hurt any human being. :)


It's great to see that this topic weighs on other people. I've begun to feel like no one else notices. I've been struggling recently to find the good in people. Some people just radiate it, others....not so much. It is wonderful to read about people whose eye's aren't glazed completely over.

Yes, great succes for a topic!! SEE, I'm not the only one who is searching foor good things in a person...

[littlewing53]

hey cuppa joe...don't get me wrong i like bananas just as much as the next person...tho i still question your comment...from monkeys in the trees to hitler, germans and yourself, i hesitate to tell you the picture in my mind..that's quite a leap...what i was referring to in my earlier post...from walking on four legs to walking on two is an incredible feat in itself...we are now hairless...so to speak...well, less hairy...wearing ties and hi-heels...of our own choice...and walking on the moon...but we're still battling with that stick...it's all abt who has the power and who holds the stick...i'm curious if evolution came so far why did the brain not evolve...we're still feeling the sting of pain, hurt, shame, guilt...in that these negative qualities are still swirling in our heads...why have our brains yet to move forward...we have moved forward in so many ways but yet we still struggle...where is evolution now? did it suddenly decide to stop?

[cuppajoe_9]

what i was referring to in my earlier post...from walking on four legs to walking on two is an incredible feat in itself...we are now hairless...so to speak...well, less hairy...wearing ties and hi-heels...of our own choice...and walking on the moon...but we're still battling with that stick...it's all abt who has the power and who holds the stickThere are still social problems, of course, but I think it's safe to say that we're working on it.


i'm curious if evolution came so far why did the brain not evolveThat's a strange question. The human brain is probably the most stupefyingly interesting organ in the whole of the animal kingdom. It invented the incredibly interesting medium which is enabling us to have this conversation, for instance.


we're still feeling the sting of pain, hurt, shame, guilt...in that these negative qualities are still swirling in our heads...why have our brains yet to move forward...we have moved forward in so many ways but yet we still struggleWell, natural selection is blind to those qualities that don't have a negative effect on reproductive fitness, probably including negative emotions. Another way to look at it might be: how have we come so far in attempting to rid ourselves of them? We're the only species that is capable of even attempting to alleviate suffering in our fellows, and we've made remarkable progress in that direction. Among animals, we're the only species that's achieved that extremely priveledged feat of regularly dying of old age.


where is evolution now? did it suddenly decide to stop?Biological evolution happens too slowly to be directly observed by any one member of the species in question. Cultural evolution is another matter. I'd focus on that, were I you.

[Debrasue]

littlewing53,

Could it be that we are still infants, or possibly juveniles (don't we sometimes act like delinquents? LOL), in the timeline of humanity.......and that we are still in the process of learning....evolving....into the creatures we were destined to be.....I would hate to think that there is nothing to be done & that it is all so hopeless.......I'm a natural-born "cheerleader"(don't hate me..I really can't help it!) & I won't accept that kind of defeat....it is against my nature..... even when I feel helpless....

Debrasue

[littlewing53]

cuppajoe...interesting comments...i shall ponder further...thank you..

debrasue...awesome...absolutely, we cannot have enuf cheerleaders...do i come across as a no hope kind of gal...what a shame...b/c i live and breathe hope and faith...it fills my heart with joy to see the compassion and empathy towards each other on this site...that we can be supportive, soothing those aches and wiping away our tears....tho i am still intrigued by our lack of progress in dealing with our lives on a grand scale...i mean lets go back a few centuries...it reads the same to me...have we really come any further...we still have those hi and lows regardless...even tho we have everything we could possibly need..whatever that may be...and still desire more...

hate you, nah...not in my vocabulary...:)

[manolia]

Shadowy, i don't agree with your categorising people in two categories (good and bad). I believe that are a lot more (categories) in the middle. Every person is potentially good and bad simultaneously. At least i haven't met a single person in my life who was either pure good or pure evil.

[Debrasue]

littlewing53,
I didn't mean for that to sound like a commentary on your post, sorry,.....I liked your observation...makes one ponder.......maybe what is so unique about humanity is the dualness of human nature.....(now there's another can o' worms, aye?).
As for shadowy girl, you've started a very engaging thread.....I enjoy hearing the thoughts & opinions of others........thank you!

[shadowy girl]

Debrsue>> I just changed my mind, I agree with you guys literly.

[shadowy girl]

And your welcome, you and your great opinoions and points of view, it wouldn't have been such a hot thread if the members here wouldn't be human :) and ready to listen :).

[kathycf]

Well, I'm living an experience now! so I'm learning here... and now I believe that many people are good, cuz many agreed to listen to my problem, maybe it's hust my atmosphare that made me think that all people are bad, I mean most people, and now I'm meeting new great people...
I think you are learning, which is good. If the only people in your life are unkind to you, then it is understandable that you form the idea that everybody is unkind. You had nothing else to compare with. Now that you are meeing new people, you are finding there is more to people than what you though. I hope I am wording this properly, and that you will understand what I mean. Also, good for you for reaching out to people...that takes some courage. :thumbs_up

[shadowy girl]

Thank you, you're such an encouragment, Indeed!