The enemy is not the other, the enemy is you

[dan020350]

I have a problem, and I don't know what is the problem, Can anyone help me?

[kandaurov]

I have grown to like your thought-provocative threads, clearly seeking reactions, like that guy in John Osborne's Look back in Anger, but I can't say I understand what you want this time.

I'm guessing that you're saying that you yourself are the problem, judging from the title. But what does that problem concern? If you're willing to give as much as a hint towards what that problem might be, I'd be glad to help out.

[dan020350]

I have been taken by your comment, you have observed me in LNF world well.

Alright if you would like to take the task of solving this problem, it will help liberate me.

The first question is. "What is my problem, doctor? I feel something is wrong."

[Adolescent09]

I have grown to like your thought-provocative threads, clearly seeking reactions, like that guy in John Osborne's Look back in Anger, but I can't say I understand what you want this time.

I'm guessing that you're saying that you yourself are the problem, judging from the title. But what does that problem concern? If you're willing to give as much as a hint towards what that problem might be, I'd be glad to help out.

Man I was rolling on my *** with that hilarious first paragraph. Nice job, Kand ;). You nailed the nooby!

No, I'm kidding. The answer is "You have not eaten an apple today.. therefore you ain't gonna keep the doctor away!" :D

[kilted exile]

Well I know a song that suggests what to do is "back into the knife and spin"

[dan020350]

You see, we are really not serious to solve any problems? We enjoy our problems, Doctor Kand. We would be in fear if we don't have our problems, our problems is our security. Doctor!

[kathycf]

Sooo, are we all our own worst problems?

*shrug*

[shadowy girl]

ah, Ive tiered of my own .. I wanna help, but I can't change sth I dunno what it is!!!
this is just a chat, so let's chat ...

so.. I get your feeling sometimes,, that sth is wrong, but I donno what it is ...
is that what you ment?
AH .. I've got my own problems.. and no time to solve my own or others

[dan020350]

We all have problems? But what is that problem I am asking.
help me find my problem? My loveley adminstors, members. You all are my doctors.

[kandaurov]

I think that your problem is that you're looking for a problem that doesn't exist. Even though everything seems to be fine, there must always be something amiss to you. There must always be something to doubt, or to protest about. It's great to have an inquisitive mind, but creating problems where they don't exist can be problematic. That is your problem; that's my diagnosis :)

[Lote-Tree]

I have a problem, and I don't know what is the problem, Can anyone help me?

Your problem is this: The Human Condition

Help: No help - you have to deal with it yourself, just like the rest of us ;-)

[dan020350]

the problem doesn't exist- seems very doubtful look at these comments
- they go on with their miseries

the problem : human condition; that i will agree but why can't you help me Lote?

[kathycf]

I think that your problem is that you're looking for a problem that doesn't exist. Even though everything seems to be fine, there must always be something amiss to you. There must always be something to doubt, or to protest about. It's great to have an inquisitive mind, but creating problems where they don't exist can be problematic. That is your problem; that's my diagnosis :)
Very well said, Mr K. :thumbs_up

I mean, dan...what are you looking for here? Really?

[Lote-Tree]

the problem : human condition; that i will agree but why can't you help me Lote?

Because no one can live the The Human Conditon for you! :-)
No one can love for you. No one can feel the pain for you. No one can feel the joy for you - they may share their own experiences of these things. But in the end you will have to experience it yourself - the joy, sadness, sorrow, despair, loss, regrets, hope etc. There is no way around it.

[dan020350]

So the problem we have agree is human condition.

What is the cause of human condition Doctor Lote?

And mrs KathyCF, the thing I am looking for is my problem which I do not know what it is?

[kathycf]

I have some idea of what your problem may be...but I have no wish to get myself into trouble so I will refrain from further discussion. Have a nice time on the forum.

[kandaurov]

The cause of human condition is birth. It's chronic and curable, but the remedy is worse than the disease. The remedy, of course, is death. You may take some 'my skull is numb and it feels great' pills once a day if you wish to ease the pain of having a consciousness, but I won't write you a prescription for that, because I don't recommend it. Walk two miles once a day, eat all of your vegetables, stay off metaphysical debates and you should be just fine. I'd like to schedule an appointment with you to next month, to see your progress, is that alright? Jolly good then, stop by my secretary on your way out, please. Have a good day, Mr Dan, and see you next month then ;)

[Logos]

I have a problem, and I don't know what is the problem, Can anyone help me?
I think you need to post more 'fluff' :lol:

[dan020350]

the relaxation and calmity seems a good approach. Doctor Kant.
But I'm afraid the problem would come back. I don't believe death is the solution, but an escape of the problem. What I want is to face the problem.

[Shalot]

The answer to your problem might me a romance of some sort. That seems to cure most things, boredom, depression, anxiety, over-thinking, imagining problems, difficulties with articulation, etc...

go for it -- I dont know what your preference is but I say just go for it. If it doesn't solve the problem at hand, then it will at least distract you for a while until the problem clears on its own, or until you no longer regard it as a problem :thumbs_up

[dan020350]

That is one of the problem to my problem. Shalot.

I do not want to escape because it will come back later. If only there was a professional gestalt therapist.

[Weisinheimer]

.....

[shadowy girl]

think that your problem is that you're looking for a problem >>> oh yes, this is it!

[dan020350]

I am looking to find out what is the problem. I am not looking for problems. And hope that you, who want to play doctor, can help identify and offer a resolution.
So far we have figured out it is human condition. But no one has say what is the cause of human condition.

[Lote-Tree]

So the problem we have agree is human condition.

What is the cause of human condition Doctor Lote?


Erm...Existence? ;-)

[mtpspur]

If we were in he same room together I wonder which of us would be pulling whose chain? Human condition covers a wide range of experience and aspirations. I personally think you enjoy being obscure. It's late and I can tell when I'm cranky. Four days off from work and my car is back in the shop. So my condition is stuck at home again. As opposed to being stuck at home but able to leave. Not that I have anywhere to go. Just saying.

[Lote-Tree]

If we were in he same room together I wonder which of us would be pulling whose chain? Human condition covers a wide range of experience and aspirations. I personally think you enjoy being obscure. It's late and I can tell when I'm cranky. Four days off from work and my car is back in the shop. So my condition is stuck at home again. As opposed to being stuck ast home but able to leave. Not that I have anywhere to go. Just saying.

Is that addressed to me or original OP?

[dan020350]

Dr Lote summary: human condition -> cause is existence-> no escape previous commented

So we know we exist because we are conditioned. - A new implication, let us move forward not looking for escapes because the problem is still there.

Problem : My problem is 'I am conditioned out of of existence.'
What is your take on this new examination?

[Lote-Tree]

Problem : My problem is 'I am conditioned out of of existence.'
What is your take on this new examination?

Elaborate on "I am conditioned out of existence".

[ashley3554]

Hi dan

If I may say, beside the fact that our worst enemy is the one we have between our own ribs .

Your problem is that you want to have a problem, dear dan we have enough problems as it is, why ask for more!!

When it comes to the human condition, it can be triggered by so many reasons and I think I know how to fix it .In other words I know how you can fix a problem you do not have .

[dan020350]

please tell me how lovely ashley.

" My problem - I am conditioned out of existence" your previous analysis suggests my (our) problem is human conditioning because its causes is existence.

I am just putting it more simpler, Doctor Lote.

[mtpspur]

Is that addressed to me or original OP?

Sorry Lote--my remark for for dan0250. Wanted him to get to the point. Should have left when kathycf did.:( Was being slightly grumpy -- sorry you thought it was for you. I could and should have been clearer.

[shadowy girl]

I am looking to find out what is the problem. I am not looking for problems. And hope that you, who want to play doctor, can help identify and offer a resolution.
So far we have figured out it is human condition. But no one has say what is the cause of human condition.


I have read some-where that life, as specialists say, is a chain of solving endless problems! what a life!

All I understood from you, dan, that you've got a wiered feeling that you've got a problem:yawnb: , I think our emotions cause most problems, cuz I wouldn't feel sad if someone insuluted me, but I do, cuz I must have been hurt emotionly! now I'm sad, and feeling sad makes me hate life for a bit.. this is called a problem... :D

Otherwise, I think that the main cause of problems is that human beings live with each others, wich is also the main cause of solving them! I do wanna go more inside that social life rubbish, but when a problem lasts with you too long, then this means that solving it would need time and Pro.s , which are us as you said:sick: , I hope you've picked the right Doctors!

I'm sure you did, Cuz when someone falls into trouble, then this means he\she needs a friend on his side, isn't that true? and that friend can be a Doctor too...



Dr Lote summary: human condition -> cause is existence-> no escape previous commented

So we know we exist because we are conditioned. - A new implication, let us move forward not looking for escapes because the problem is still there.

Problem : My problem is 'I am conditioned out of of existence.'
What is your take on this new examination?

ya, no escape! and I thought I am the only one out of existence! ugh!
now are we palaying with words! we are discussing something, and for some it seems to be very important!

I can't see that problem, can you?! :( I say, people, Kill this dan and he won't have this awful problem that he is carring on his back and asking us to share it with him! no I'm just kidding, I'm sure this will cause more troubles!
but there is a problem, Cuz there is a God, but we can't see God, only if we went to heaven! there is a sun at night, but we can't see it! only if it's daytime! so I'm begging you to tell us in exact words what it is, You know, I've changed my mind, Cuz hidding it won't make this discussion so interisting...



If we were in he same room together I wonder which of us would be pulling whose chain? Human condition covers a wide range of experience and aspirations. I personally think you enjoy being obscure. It's late and I can tell when I'm cranky. Four days off from work and my car is back in the shop. So my condition is stuck at home again. As opposed to being stuck ast home but able to leave. Not that I have anywhere to go. Just saying.

poor you're car! but all you said makes so much sense! but why do we people act a bit in mystery OR even obscure? Cuz we sometimes actually enjoy it!


Hi dan

If I may say, beside the fact that our worst enemy is the one we have between our own ribs .

Your problem is that you want to have a problem, dear dan we have enough problems as it is, why ask for more!!

When it comes to the human condition, it can be triggered by so many reasons and I think I know how to fix it .In other words I know how you can fix a problem you do not have .

after thinking, you are right! if there is no problem then we don't have to fix it, cuz it does not exist! but he thinks he has got one! he surely has, as us all, but he just can't figure it out, now here are two problems, let's fix one at least!


please tell me how lovely ashley.

" My problem - I am conditioned out of existence" your previous analysis suggests my (our) problem is human conditioning because its causes is existence.

I am just putting it more simpler, Doctor Lote.
you made it Simpler! Oh Goodness!
it's not just about you!

so don't accuse me of making things more complicated only cause I wanted to tell my opinion in all what all said, so I don't miss a word! :( sorry if I did, but the clock here is very different than in your country, whatever,,,

I believe you've got a problem, and just asking for help, so here is help!

[dan020350]

shadowgirl. you definely have a problem because the depths of words you use. :flare: But I will take as much as you can give.

this part is the most interesting you have said.

after thinking, you are right! if there is no problem then we don't have to fix it, cuz it does not exist! but he thinks he has got one! he surely has, as us all, but he just can't figure it out, now here are two problems, let's fix one at least!

You said:

The problem does not exist
Dan thinks he has a problem
conclusion :he surely has a problem as us all

There is a problem in your equation. That is there is no problem because it does not exist, surely he has a problem. ( please continue to play)

[Shalot]

I'm tired of playing this. I have been tolerant since all this started but I don't know what you're talking about.

[Lote-Tree]

please tell me how lovely ashley.
" My problem - I am conditioned out of existence" your previous analysis suggests my (our) problem is human conditioning because its causes is existence.


Before we get into the philosophical muddle :-) Let's clarify.

You said what causes The Human Condition and I said Existence.

Let's define The Human Condition:

from Wiki:



The human condition encompasses the totality of the experience of being human and living human lives. As mortal entities, there are a series of biologically determined events that are common to most human lives, and some that are inevitable for all. The ongoing way in which humans react to or cope with these events is the human condition.


We do not choose to be born and hence we can't escape The Human Condition. We have to either live it or end it and 99.99999% (guess) choose to live it. Can anyone else live the The Human Condition for you? No. So there is no help.

[shadowy girl]

shadowygirl. you definely have a problem because the depths of words you use. But I will take as much as you can give.

this part is the most interesting you have said.

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after thinking, you are right! if there is no problem then we don't have to fix it, cuz it does not exist! but he thinks he has got one! he surely has, as us all, but he just can't figure it out, now here are two problems, let's fix one at least!

You said:

The problem does not exist
Dan thinks he has a problem
conclusion :he surely has a problem as us all

There is a problem in your equation. That is there is no problem because it does not exist, surely he has a problem. ( please continue to play)

What I wanted to say, dearest, is that there are some problems we shoulden't care about in life, cuz they are too small and not that important, and cuz of this we can't say it's a problem, cuz it simply does not matter! :flare:
so there is a problem, but not in that importance, so it's not a problem as well...
I hope I made it clear

ah! before I make things more compliacated I wish to tell you that at one point in this thread I realized that most of what we are saying does not make any sense...
now would you tell me your opinion in the rest of what I've said?

here is another equation:
Dan has got a problem ===> unknown??
shadowygirl ===> this (unknown) does not matter much, cuz it's unknown!
I should have made it clearer from the beggining...
so, now what do you say?

[dan020350]

Dr Lote and Dr. Shadow you both are gracious so far, so do't give up.

Human condition you already define is existence= which means life, as long as you live the condition is the same. That is not true. The problem is not human condition, but the beliefs you have for blinding you to see the problem. Who said it is human condition? Who define human condition?
the person who said it is human condition, already is conditioned so how can he really tell us, so is the people who defines it.

The problem you said Shadow, My problem is unknown, start from there. originally the problem is unknown, yet you haven't made the first step of solving it, but only avoiding it.

[Lote-Tree]

The problem is not human condition


It is.Full Stop.

Rest is just your philosophical muddle. Since your a philosophy student no doubt you enjoy the muddling :-)



Who said it is human condition? Who define human condition?


Human Life and Human Life again. And rest is a muddle that you get yourself into :-)

How many philosophers does it take to change a light-bulb?:-)

[kathycf]

How many philosophers does it take to change a light-bulb?:-)
Two. One to change the lightbulb and one to observe how the lightbulb symbolizes an incandescent beacon of subjectivity in a netherworld of Cosmic Nothingness.

It is my considered opinion that the problem must be related to dancing bananas. :banana:

[Lote-Tree]

Two. One to change the lightbulb and one to observe how the lightbulb symbolizes an incandescent beacon of subjectivity in a netherworld of Cosmic Nothingness.

It is my considered opinion that the problem must be related to dancing bananas. :banana:

:lol: Good one!

[shadowy girl]

Dr Lote and Dr. Shadow you both are gracious so far, so do't give up.

Human condition you already define is existence= which means life, as long as you live the condition is the same. That is not true. The problem is not human condition, but the beliefs you have for blinding you to see the problem. Who said it is human condition? Who define human condition?
the person who said it is human condition, already is conditioned so how can he really tell us, so is the people who defines it.

The problem you said Shadow, My problem is unknown, start from there. originally the problem is unknown, yet you haven't made the first step of solving it, but only avoiding it.

Good heavens!
what exactly is the matter with you...
but after thinking.. you are tight, we are in a circle here, it started, and it's end is anywhere, even at the point of beginning! :crash:
now I said it's unknown, you say it's not human conditions.
Which means we both went back to the start line. I beleiev we won't get anywhere with all this talk! :(:


Quote:
Originally Posted by dan020350
The problem is not human condition

It is.Full Stop.

Rest is just your philosophical muddle. Since your a philosophy student no doubt you enjoy the muddling :-)


Quote:
Who said it is human condition? Who define human condition?

Human Life and Human Life again. And rest is a muddle that you get yourself into :-)

How many philosophers does it take to change a light-bulb?:-)
Good! now you two start a fight. While I'll be doing my best to solve this Nuts problem (nuts = Dan)

now let's think back :


shadowy girl(me): the problem is Unknown > we can't judge what we can't see, but it is human conditions.

Dan: it is not human condotions! it's sth else!

Lote-tree: agrees that it his human conditions, and that it is related to dancing bananas too(as kathycf said):p

Shalot: does not get a word from what we are saying, NOR DO I!

kathycf:the problem must be related to dancing bananas.

ashley: the problem is that you think it's a problem.


which gets us to a point, that it is a n unknown dancing-bananas problem, related to the cosmic nothingness, caused ,and in the same time ,not cause by human conditions and Life!
what a cunclosin!!:idea:

[dan020350]

I don't understand what you all are saying but the only think I have gotten so far we are dancing with bananas. :ladysman:

Observing the divine madness without light:

Yet: Dr lote says it can't be done, because he thinks it can't be done. While dano is playing in the mud like a pig.

Shadowgirl : says the problem is unknown, but refuse to see the problem because her eyes are shut.

Observing closely with a light:
Problem: human condition - solution: peeling off the human condition ( dancing bananas):brickwall

[shadowy girl]

Bananas Dance! let them dance, human life sucks? let it suck
Now would you let us complete our life normaly, without including dancing bananas in it, specialy that I love apples more!

[dan020350]

Ignorance - if only you guys know what is the causes of your own ignorance
then your problems will cease.

[shadowy girl]

oh please! it's just that everything seems so unclear.... that's all...

[ashley3554]

please tell me how lovely ashley.

" My problem - I am conditioned out of existence" your previous analysis suggests my (our) problem is human conditioning because its causes is existence.

I am just putting it more simpler, Doctor Lote.


The problem is not human condition,

Oh dear dan :yawnb:

I am sure that you are a smart man.

As I understand, the problem is not human condition.

I think the problem is related to the title of this thread (maybe) ..



Ignorance - if only you guys know what is the causes of your own ignorance
then your problems will cease.

Ignorance.. is a good thing ,it keeps us in an on going search for answers .

[shadowy girl]

Great! let him know!!

[dan020350]

The end is coming
A new cycle anew
or rather the old again
until he break away
( give me a response poem)

[Adolescent09]

Hey Dan!
Are you a newb?
Well I am Tew!
Lets go and immolate a pot of Stew!
And sing a couple songs! Only very Few!
And learn a little bit about Charles Drew,
And ensure that the pot is a well-warmed brew!
And we can make sure that that ONE flew
OVER THE CUCKOO'S NEST and blew,
rain drops delewging my hair :D :D :D

[kathycf]

T
( give me a response poem)

We have met the enemy and he is us
That's nothing new, so why the fuss?

You've an inquiring mind, that's to be admired :thumbs_up
But this thread full of blah blah, it makes me tired. :yawnb:

I am not trying to be cruel, nor to be mean
It seems sometimes you like being a dramaqueen. :idea:

I know I am probably quite an old coot
And I certainly cannot resist dancing fruit :banana:

Take my words with a grain of salt
Don't let your posting come to a halt

Be not sad, and please be not glum
Just don't treat us as if we are dumb.

My poem is bad, my words don't quite fit :(
If you don't like me, well that's just tough


cookies. ;) :D

[Lote-Tree]

We have met the enemy and he is us
That's nothing new, so why the fuss?

You've an inquiring mind, that's to be admired :thumbs_up
But this thread full of blah blah, it makes me tired. :yawnb:

I am not trying to be cruel, nor to be mean
It seems sometimes you like being a dramaqueen. :idea:

I know I am probably quite an old coot
And I certainly cannot resist dancing fruit :banana:

Take my words with a grain of salt
Don't let your posting come to a halt

Be not sad, and please be not glum
Just don't treat us as if we are dumb.

My poem is bad, my words don't quite fit :(
If you don't like me, well that's just tough

cookies. ;) :D


LOL Cath - you seem to have the Bard in you!!! :-)

The First Law of Philosophy: For every philosopher, there exists an equal and opposite philosopher.

The Second Law of Philosophy: They're both wrong.

[dan020350]

I love you all
don't get me wrong
I am here to stay
until I get boot

I am just inquiring
as you just said
but you give up halfway
and that is not so good

human condition is the problem
but we can't peel it off if you are not willing
so let us continue this
and not debate

[Lote-Tree]

human condition is the problem
but we can't peel it off if you are not willing
so let us continue this
and not debate

You are contradictory and in a muddle
Lets end it before you drown yourself in a puddle.

:-)

[ashley3554]

Philosopher and a poet :)

This game is getting better and better ..


human condition is the problem
but we can't peel it off if you are not willing
so let us continue this
and not debate

I am here ..

[dan020350]

You are contradictory and in a muddle
Lets end it before you drown yourself in a puddle.

:-)


You can drown
but I will not
you think you can help
but you cannot even stand up

[shadowy girl]

Our damn problems chase us all
we rarly solve them, but avoid them as much as we can
on day,we'll find in our way a hundred wall
human conditions it is, I agree with you dan

[Lote-Tree]

but you cannot even stand up

Think with your brain and not with your legs :-)

[dan020350]

think with your whole being and not just your brain.

[Lote-Tree]

think with your whole being and not just your brain.

Thats is why you are in a such a muddle because you don''t know your elbow from nose :-)

Look at Stephen Hawking - without using his legs - he sours high above the clouds and unlocks the secrets of black holes :-)

[shadowy girl]

Oh please you two, we are in the middle of a disscusion!

[Petrarch's Love]

All that I know, after thorough inspection
Is this thread is my problem; it's making me sigh.
A philosopher's problem is always a question
So Dan, I will guess that your problem is "Why?"

[shadowy girl]

Dan, honey, I don't care about your problem as much as I care about my own
But I believe your brain, after various discussion, is as hard as a stone!

[Lote-Tree]

Oh please you two, we are in the middle of a disscusion!

Noted :-)

Regards,
Lote.

[dan020350]

As far as the interested of discovering out ignorance goes, " I can only believe in one half, most people say" Because majority of the people are half right, fragmented truth. Much as Stephen Hawkings is half fragmented

[shadowy girl]

As far as the interested of discovering out ignorance goes, " I can only believe in one half, most people say" Because majority of the people are half right, fragmented truth. Much as Stephen Hawkings is half fragmented


Alright, we are no more thatn humans, But did we help you so far ? like, tell us what you believed from all what we've said.. ;)

[Shalot]

The answer to all of this is of course: Diet Coke Plus. :nod:

[dan020350]

Shalot is like me, a state of getting high on coke.

But for AShley, No you did not because I haven't change nor did you? But only acquired more in the field of knowledge.

[Lotuhouma]

hey there ma first time on this but yea jus wanted to know if you've found an answer to your question interesting doe

[shadowy girl]

hey there ma first time on this but yea jus wanted to know if you've found an answer to your question interesting doe

Dear Lotuhouma,

I agree with you very much, Cuz 5 pages of replies is not a bad number! ;) ,and this thread is very hot, So Dan my dear, please, tell us what you believ till now, so we can start over, and start right this time.

Welcome Lotuhouma in our forum, I think, and from your first post that you are surely a great and interisting person, you better introduce your self.:blush:

[Jantex]

Let me introduce to you my 2 theories (about dan), please...

First (Main) Theory, or also called the Optimistic Theory:

#subtheory No 1 :
dan wrote:

I have A problem, and I don't know what is the problem...

That is just great!!! Marvelous, I may say, too!
dan has only one problem! (People normally have plenty of problems). And, moreover, dan does not know what the problems is!!! That must be a wonderfull life. Congratulations, dan :thumbs_up :thumbs_up :thumbs_up

#subtheory No 2 : dan is so smart that he managed to reduce all his problems to only one! Congratulations, again, dan! :thumbs_up


Second Theory: (also known as the other problem`s theory ;) )

Problem: dan`s problem is that he is involving the others to think about his personal jobs. Even more, thus dan`s creating a problem for the others... ;) ...
Cure: :p :p :p
****

Have a nice day:) , all of you!!! :thumbs_up

[dan020350]

Now Jantex is pretty well orgainzed, you should all follow his examples.

But I do not see a solution to my only one marvelous problem?

[shadowy girl]

Oh God! are you egnoring my post on purpose?

[dan020350]

So Dan my dear, please, tell us what you believe till now, so we can start over, and start right this time.

I didn't mean to ignore, I mean to unignore.

We may a distinct hypothesis from Dr. Lote. That the problem is human condition, and he say there is no solution to it.

Unless we can come up with another hypothesis, or first to 'see' the problem, that is you and I shared, we can only make hypothesises like Lote and other scientists are doing, because that is the way of finding truth, or at least that is the scientifc way versus feminist.

The question is first you must see the disorder. If can't see it inward or outwardly we will just make assumptions, starting at the middle.

[shadowy girl]

I didn't mean to ignore, I mean to unignore.

We may a distinct hypothesis from Dr. Lote. That the problem is human condition, and he say there is no solution to it.

Unless we can come up with another hypothesis, or first to 'see' the problem, that is you and I shared, we can only make hypothesises like Lote and other scientists are doing, because that is the way of finding truth, or at least that is the scientifc way versus feminist.

The question is first you must see the disorder. If can't see it inward or outwardly we will just make assumptions, starting at the middle.

Alright, I got it! I SEE the problem now... It's life! We have Problems Cuz we live as humans, surely their is no sulution but killing all humans?!
I'm sure there are many other causes of problems, humans cause personal problems, Nature causes earthquakes... bla bla bla...

[ennison]

The enemy is not the other, the enemy is you

Cha bu ghaisgich Alasdair Mor,
Neo Caesar thug an Roimhe gu geill;
Oir ged a thug iad buaidh air cach
Dh' fhan iad nan traill d'a miannaibh fein

That's the first step in an answer already given.

[dan020350]

first step! wow how many more steps if we take that path and how long will it finished?

shadow girl
Life cannot be the source of problem? Because you are making a guess, assumption again. First you must know how to look or see the disorder.

Where is the disorder? Me. How do you see what you cannot see?

[shadowy girl]

It's not a guess my dear, It's a conclusion!

If we were angels, would we have problems?

[dan020350]

What is an angel? Can you point me to an angel?

Lets start with your diagnosis Shadow girl.
You say the problem is life.

If problem is life, then you should stopping having babies.
Next, you have to say what is life that is giving problems? What is life? Why is it problem? I have my answer already but I want you to find out for yourself, tell me what is the problem about life?

[shadowy girl]

Problems are something natural we shouldn't worry about if we were able to find a sulution for them.

I won't disccus no more in this thread, CuzI think I'm just wasting time.

[dan020350]

Coming to forums are a waste of time because you are not doing any meaningful. So the last question before you go, you should say why am I not contributing anything meaninful for society, look at this corruption.
But I step back and said, nah let someone else pick that litter off the street.

[ennison]

'I step back and said, nah let someone else pick that litter off the street'
But that's not a difficult problem to solve.
We often think we are hopeless if we aren't doing something BIG for our fellow humans but I contend that numerous small acts are just as good. We also tend to feel rather self-centredly that unless people see and acknowledge our 'good deeds' then they are worthless but that is what I was told was self-righteousness and as I get older I see that is true and it is not solely confined to the behaviour of believers but also to those non-believers who also strive to 'be good'. Good deeds are their own reward is true but can be a very tiring thing for continual practice as we are merely human, get tired, respond to praise.
I disagree that coming to the forums is a waste of time. We are certainly not all Ovid who felt himself born for the wordy warfare of the forum but I feel it is a learning experience and we should always try to do a little of that. It's just as good as haliborange tablets anyway!!

[dan020350]

I disagree that coming to the forums is a waste of time. We are certainly not all Ovid who felt himself born for the wordy warfare of the forum but I feel it is a learning experience and we should always try to do a little of that. It's just as good as haliborange tablets anyway!!


that is exactly that I was trying to show. :thumbs_up In order that intelligence be reveal I need to make a negate statement. If you know how to negate, not the negation saying I disagree.