big BROTHER and the BROTHERhood

[chubbs213]

the BROTHERhood and big BROTHER seem to be really closely connected. as if big brother is the leader of the brotherhood making him as the book put it, emmanual goldstein.
i also thought that winston really did grow to hate the party since they were torturing him in the end of the novel. so that pushed him towards the brotherhood. so when the book says he loved big brother but at the same time he thought of himself as apart of the brotherhood. he was in fact supporting big brother through the brotherhood.

it isn't worded very well but does anyone else see the connection between big brother and the brotherhood that i am getting at?

[bazarov]

There is no Big Brother actually, only The Brotherhood. Big Brother never gets old nobody ever sees him, etc. There is only a Brotherhood, which runs their lives and whole society, Big Brother is just personalization of Brotherhood. I think it was because it's always easier for people to love one person, actually a symbol of something. I've read somewhere: ''Give people something to hate, and they will be quite...'' It was the same with Big Brother, but it was an opposite feeling, love instead of hate.

[Jack_Ellington]

Well technically ... Big Brother controls everything. Emanual Goldstien doesn't exsist. He is a creation of Big Brother. Therefor, if its leader is a tool for Big Brother, then it would follow that the entire thing is a tool of Big Brother, to find out thought criminals like Winston and Julia. The fact that the two came together, just made it seem like the Brotherhood did exsist even more than it would if Winston had just been in it.