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Scheherazade
01-24-2007, 12:41 PM
Conn Who?

For the first time, an author is top of the fiction and non-fiction charts. So who is Conn Iggulden? Not so long ago, the name Conn Iggulden was not one associated with making bookselling history. The 35-year-old father-of-three was not a star name among authors, but all that has now changed.

The Dangerous Book for Boys was one of 2006's bestselling books. It struck a chord with its sense of adventure in teaching young readers about catapults, go-karts and bows and arrows.

It is still number one in the non-fiction charts, and its bestselling counterpart at the top of the fiction charts is by the same author.

Wolf of the Plains is the first of a new series about Genghis Khan, which underlines how Iggulden likes his fiction to be rooted in history. Julius Caesar was the subject of another series which has many devoted fans.

He is not the only writer to cross the divide between the two genres of writing. John Grisham has published his first work of non-fiction, and Jeffery Archer followed up his own thrillers with his prison memoirs.

Here, the Magazine puts some questions to Iggulden.

How do the skills required for fiction and non-fiction writing differ?

The biggest difference is that in writing The Dangerous Book, I could put a chapter to bed and move to a completely new subject.

With fiction, you have to hold the entire book in your head at all times, which is harder, I think.

With non-fiction, my brother and I wanted to make everything ourselves, so we would know the pitfalls.

It wasn't as purely creative as writing fiction, but the pleasure came from learning new things every day.

The Dangerous Book for Boys was a sudden success to a new market. How did the exposure affect you?

Every year, my dentist asks me what I do for a living. Every year I tell him and he forgets. This time, he knew The Dangerous Book.

He'll probably forget next year, but it was a nice moment. The Dangerous Book was taken up by a number of national newspapers, which hadn't happened to me before.

Suddenly, there were reviews all over the place, the Telegraph cartoon was about the book and the Times even included Dangerous posters. It was a great summer.

Some papers said it helped boys to emerge from their molly-coddled world and into a more adventurous one. Do you agree?

I hope it's true! I think the book became part of a swing against some of the sillier aspects of "health and safety" and the Playstation culture. The swing was happening anyway, but it is brilliant to be part of it.

Your historical novels have centred on what you describe as "self-made" men like Julius Caesar and Genghis Khan. Which 20th Century British figure would be ripe for the Iggulden treatment?

Every century has its heroes, thank goodness. Some of them, like Douglas Bader or Joe Simpson, have already been filmed or written up. Their stories are as good as any you'll find.

There aren't many with the impact of a Caesar, but individual stories of courage are still there.

My brother Hal once caught a rapist and received a bravery award for bringing the man to justice. In other words, it doesn't have to change continents to be important.

With your experience in the classroom, what reforms would you make to the education system to make literature more accessible to children?

I'd bring back grammar from a young age. I used to use textbooks at A level that were originally designed for 14-year-olds. That's pretty sad.

If I know one thing, it's that people who know the structures of language take enormous satisfaction and pleasure from that knowledge.

To deny it to generations out of some soppy philosophy is just daft. We've tried making school easier and it doesn't work. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6290333.stm

ClaesGefvenberg
01-20-2009, 10:32 AM
Wolf of the Plains is the first of a new series about Genghis Khan, which underlines how Iggulden likes his fiction to be rooted in history.

I have read Wolf of the Plains and Lords of the Bow (picked them up at airports and rather liked them). I just heard that No. 3 in the series is out, so I guess I'll try to get that one too, but does anyone know the title so I'll know what to look for?

/Claes

JBI
01-20-2009, 10:59 AM
We saying Poetry rests outside of this?

Well, as a reader of extensive non-fiction, poetry aside, mostly history and criticism, and the occasional art book if I can find it in the library, I have come to the conclusion that in many ways, to write good non-fiction isn't much different.

To write best-selling is one thing, but to write good stuff, well, it takes a lot of work, research, and editing. If it is any good, it takes a lot of proof reading and revision. Generally though, the difference is that it doesn't build primarily on creativity, but it tends to focus more on an interpretation.

The problem is, there are so many forms of non-fiction. The personal essay is very different than the formal essay, and the travel book is very different than the diary, which is different than the journal, which is different than a manual, or a history textbook. They each though, if they are good, require extensive editing, which is the backbone usually of almost all writing.

semi-fly
01-20-2009, 11:56 AM
I actually like the historical fiction sub-genre whenever I read one I feel like I'm actually learning something rather than simply being entertained.

ClaesGefvenberg: I think it's Genghis: Bones of the Hills

Off topic: How is a travel book that much different from a diary?

JCamilo
01-20-2009, 12:52 PM
We saying Poetry rests outside of this?

Well, as a reader of extensive non-fiction, poetry aside, mostly history and criticism, and the occasional art book if I can find it in the library, I have come to the conclusion that in many ways, to write good non-fiction isn't much different.

To write best-selling is one thing, but to write good stuff, well, it takes a lot of work, research, and editing. If it is any good, it takes a lot of proof reading and revision. Generally though, the difference is that it doesn't build primarily on creativity, but it tends to focus more on an interpretation.

The problem is, there are so many forms of non-fiction. The personal essay is very different than the formal essay, and the travel book is very different than the diary, which is different than the journal, which is different than a manual, or a history textbook. They each though, if they are good, require extensive editing, which is the backbone usually of almost all writing.

I would say that as a reader of Jorge Luis Borges, I am sure there is no difference watsoever. Those discussion today are a waste, it was solved 80 years ago.
Anyways, JBI, have you read Borges?

Rapture
01-20-2009, 01:12 PM
What a silly comparison to make: You can't compare fiction to non-fiction, they're 2 completely different things.

JBI
01-20-2009, 01:26 PM
I would say that as a reader of Jorge Luis Borges, I am sure there is no difference watsoever. Those discussion today are a waste, it was solved 80 years ago.
Anyways, JBI, have you read Borges?

The complete fictions, not his verse.

ClaesGefvenberg
01-20-2009, 03:01 PM
ClaesGefvenberg: I think it's Genghis: Bones of the Hills

Thank's semi-fly :thumbs_up

/Claes

stlukesguild
01-20-2009, 07:01 PM
How about Borges' "non-fictions"? Of course... as JCamillo suggests, with Borges they are almost one and the same.

What a silly comparison to make: You can't compare fiction to non-fiction, they're 2 completely different things.

Are they? I would suggest that the "ART" lies in the writing... as such there is just as much "ART" in the writing of fiction as non-fiction. One need merely read Montaigne's or Emerson's or Walter Pater's or Samuel Johnson's essays to be aware of this. Thinking of my own discipline of painting, I imagine that "non-fiction" might be equated with the painter who paints from observation. The painter who invents narratives or imagery from the imagination is more like the writer of fiction. In no way would I suggest that there is less art involved in Rembrandt painting his self portrait than in another artist inventing a scene. In no way is there less of the art of writing involved when one has subject before one, than when one invents the whole. Certainly there are aspects that are different... but don't they both involve putting the ideas of the author into the most effective and artful form?

JCamilo
01-20-2009, 07:43 PM
How about Borges' "non-fictions"? Of course... as JCamillo suggests, with Borges they are almost one and the same.

not to mention when the writings are considered truth like the religious books, only for those with faith. There is no difference, absolutelly not and Borges contribution to the literature is a life showing it.


What a silly comparison to make: You can't compare fiction to non-fiction, they're 2 completely different things.

Are they? I would suggest that the "ART" lies in the writing... as such there is just as much "ART" in the writing of fiction as non-fiction. One need merely read Montaigne's or Emerson's or Walter Pater's or Samuel Johnson's essays to be aware of this. Thinking of my own discipline of painting, I imagine that "non-fiction" might be equated with the painter who paints from observation. The painter who invents narratives or imagery from the imagination is more like the writer of fiction. In no way would I suggest that there is less art involved in Rembrandt painting his self portrait than in another artist inventing a scene. In no way is there less of the art of writing involved when one has subject before one, than when one invents the whole. Certainly there are aspects that are different... but don't they both involve putting the ideas of the author into the most effective and artful form?

Remind me an anedocte about Picasso, who enters in a train and is recognized by the dude at his side. But the dude, like all human kind, is an art critic so he says
"Look, I know you are famous, but I do not like your paintings. They are too strange, and do not look real."
"ok", said Picasso, "I can live with that"
And they started to talk about another subject, one that could like, which was women. And the guy took a picture from his wallet and showed to Picasso:
"Here, My wife, aint she beautfull"
"Actually she looks very strange! She is so small and have such flat face. She is really like this?"

Every word, every text is artificial.
Anyways, the silly is silly, people seems to forget to determine one object is different from another you must compare both and discover the differences. It is the same thing to discover something is equal, comparing the similarities... Seems like people forget this detail...