Is it just me?

[Shea]

or does it seem like people use foul language more often because of the censor? Maybe I just notice it more because it looks funny to avoid the censor.:confused:

[star blue]

does it offend you?

[Lara]

I think there is a degree of hostility from some individuals. It would be nice to engage in some more intellectual conversation instead.

[Shea]

Originally posted by star blue
does it offend you?

Well... yeah I know I can't change anyone by saying so, and that's not my purpose, I just wanted to let them know.

My husband and I, in frustration at language and images on TV, completely unhooked our TV and put it in the attic. We don't even have cable. That's not a big deal, but I'd rather not disassociate myself from this site just because the language gets too bad. :( I try to ignore it but it feels like the encoded versions stand out more and I wonder why people go through all the trouble.:confused:

[star blue]

unplugging yourself from the real world isn't going to solve anything.

[star blue]

on a side note, one of my college instructors had relatives who were waffen ss officers during world war two. he described the furnaces they threw the jews into (sometimes alive) as, 'that damn oven'.

still, 'damn' is just a word. but it grabbed my attention. it was a subtle protest against all those who have caused people to suffer. it was a big ol' middle finger, a sign against this broken-down disneyland of a world.

I don't just think religion is wrong . . . I think it's bullshi:t, because it plays on our fears and our desires. I don't believe in free will, but I think we could possibly do away with religion and get back to how things were thousands of years ago, before the wars, before civilization, before god.

[atiguhya padma]

I don't really see why people should get so upset by swearing. It's just a colourful way of expressing yourself. It's powerful. It also extremely concise, and sometimes quite versatile. And quite honestly, its only words. Its the meanings you've gotta worry about.

[sloegin]

Originally posted by Shea
Well... yeah I know I can't change anyone by saying so, and that's not my purpose, I just wanted to let them know.

You would probably get better results by calling them out. Be it in public or by PM. Being vague, in this context, doesn't serve a purpose.


My husband and I, in frustration at language and images on TV, completely unhooked our TV and put it in the attic. We don't even have cable. That's not a big deal, but I'd rather not disassociate myself from this site just because the language gets too bad. :( I try to ignore it but it feels like the encoded versions stand out more and I wonder why people go through all the trouble.:confused:

That's pretty funny. You can't change 'em, so deny yourself their existence.

[Stanislaw]

I use the odd word, when I get riled up, but just because this happens doesn't justify the use. Swearing is only meant as a cheap offensive attention getting ploy by those who are not eloquent enough to get there point across in an ordinary fashion, this is a lit site, not a house of ill repute, so lets town down the language, y'all.

I completely agree with Shea, I rarely watch T.V. because of this reason, and I try to tell others to town it down, it is a bad influence on the younger generation, With over use it is viewed as "cool", but in the end it is just a demonstration of a persons stupidity.

[Lara]

Well said Stan, I am no saint and swear several times on a daily basis, however, there is a time and place for everything and this is not the place. It's a simple matter of courtesy and respect for others.

[DumbLikeAPoet]

Originally posted by star blue
unplugging yourself from the real world isn't going to solve anything.

Just because it happens in the world doesn't mean you have to like it and/or expose yourself to it.

Jonus

[DumbLikeAPoet]

Originally posted by star blue

I don't just think religion is wrong . . . I think it's bullshi:t, because it plays on our fears and our desires. I don't believe in free will, but I think we could possibly do away with religion and get back to how things were thousands of years ago, before the wars, before civilization, before god.

As for this, if you beleive it then you are an idiot. What is the world population? Oh its 6,404,243,470.....my point? without killing roughly 3/4 of those people you can't go back to how the world was "before civilization".

Jonus

[Stanislaw]

Before civilization, people worshipped pagen gods. People have always looked for a reason of our existence. You can't get away from religion star. it is a part of our lives today and was then aswell.

[IWilKikU]

I have been known to swear on this forum from time to time. Why? Its not to grab people's attention, Its more like Atiguya said: Its strong languege. I swear when I feel strongly about somthing. When I'm speaking, rather than typeing, and I swear, my close friends know that I feel strongly about what I'm talking about. But I don't do it to say "EVERYONE LISTEN UP!!!! I'M SAYING THE EFF WORD!!!" But I can understand being offended by it. If I changed the way I post to appease one person who doesn't like what I'm saying, I would have to change my pro-christian posts to appease the vehment athiests, and change my anti-christian posts to appease the right wing, and my pro-dickens posts to appease fayefaye, and worst of all: my pro-King posts to appease E. Lee. So regretably, I will continue to use my best judgement.

"Should I apologize
If what I say burns your ears and stains your eyes"
-Incubus

[star blue]

Originally posted by DumbLikeAPoet
As for this, if you beleive it then you are an idiot. What is the world population? Oh its 6,404,243,470.....my point? without killing roughly 3/4 of those people you can't go back to how the world was "before civilization".

Jonus

if I believed it was plausible,yes, I would be an idiot. but possible? really, a few nukes is all it would take.


Originally posted by Stanislaw
Before civilization, people worshipped pagen gods. People have always looked for a reason of our existence. You can't get away from religion star. it is a part of our lives today and was then aswell.

the belief in god and the practice of religion are not the same thing, stan. it's true. before the egyptians, there were no all-powerful deities, only nature-spirits.

[star blue]

oh and, jonus . . . just look at what sloegin can do to your smug sense of self-worth:

[sloegin]

Originally posted by DumbLikeAPoet
As for this, if you beleive it then you are an idiot. What is the world population? Oh its 6,404,243,470.....my point? without killing roughly 3/4 of those people you can't go back to how the world was "before civilization".

Jonus

Killing six billion people to make the world a better place--a place where people aren't manipulated for someone else's gain--show me the button. But you think that is wrong don't you...go hug a tree. I'm sure it will comfort you in your times of need.

[crisaor]

The egyptian gods were hardly all-powerful. Most of them could be easily killed, even by mortals or by other entities. Same thing goes for the greek gods. They were powerful, yes, but that didn't prevent them from getting their butt kicked from time to time. Osiris himself got torn to pieces.
Also, natiral spirits were also present in egyptian mythology. From what I know, the worship of animals practiced by the egyptians derived from Totemism.

[star blue]

easily killed by other gods . . . osiris was dumped into the nile by his brother, typhon.

like we discussed earlier, the egyptians did not have a ubiquitous belief system. there were traces of monotheism there long before the hebrews came into fruition.

[crisaor]

Originally posted by sloegin
Killing six billion people to make the world a better place--a place where people aren't manipulated for someone else's gain--show me the button. But you think that is wrong don't you...go hug a tree. I'm sure it will comfort you in your times of need.
I'm sorry, is this for real?????
Where do you get that if the world was reduced to a fraction of what it is today there wouldn't exist the same problems that exist today? Besides, be willing to kill 6 billion people doesn't speak very highly of you, whatever the purpose. I just hope that the people that are indeed capable of pushing that button think differently.

[star blue]

sloegin just wants to kill everyone. can you blame him?

[sloegin]

If you usurp the PTBs, and all the people left understand it isn't necessary to force their views on others...things would work out.

They don't think differently. They think of killing all the people that don't follow their will.

[crisaor]

Originally posted by star blue
sloegin just wants to kill everyone. can you blame him?
Is that a funny question? Of course I can. I mean, I've wanted to erase some people in the past, but ALL of them seems kinda excesive. ;)

Originally posted by sloegin
If you usurp the PTBs, and all the people left understand it isn't necessary to force their views on others...things would work out.
Sorry, what's PTBs?
But if you come to that situation, you've imposed your on views on the remaing people. That is, you perceived that it was necessary to wipe out a lot of people, and the ones who survived are going to have to deal with that. I don't think they'd quietly agree to live in that state.

Originally posted by sloegin
They don't think differently. They think of killing all the people that don't follow their will.
Some people, yes, I won't deny it, but some people don't. I don't, and I'm sure a lot of people in this forum don't too. That kind of reasoning is dangerous, because you're disregarding any kind of discussion by implying 'they're all the same, they have no value'.

[Shea]

Oh c'mon people!! I post this topic yesterday, and your already talking mass murder! At least there wasn't much foul language this time.

When I was still learning to talk, my Aunt (the bad seed of the family mind you) married a low class drunk that swore all the time. My mom asked him not to use that language around me any more because I was picking it up. After that, he couldn't complete a sentence.

I'm not saying that any of you are the inane babblers the he was, but I've just always looked at people who don't use that kind of language at all as higher thinkers. (I'm honestly not trying to say anything conceited about myself) I've seperated myself from things on TV to such a degree, that whenever I do watch it, I see how people are programmed by it. It tells them what to think, how to act, what to say, what to wear,... I see 1984 written all over the people who are in my classes. It makes me mad, but I feel like there is nothing I can do about it. (If you think that TV is the "real world" Star, I pity you.)

I think language is just one of those symptoms that seems to be standing out more to me at the moment. Later it will probably be clothing, or child rearing.

But just think about why Admin put that censor on the boards. Remember, it didn't used to be there...

[Shea]

One more thing...

Anyone can use foul language, but to get your point across with just as much strength (if not more), shows more intelligence.

[star blue]

Originally posted by Shea
I've seperated myself from things on TV to such a degree, that whenever I do watch it, I see how people are programmed by it. It tells them what to think, how to act, what to say, what to wear,... I see 1984 written all over the people who are in my classes. It makes me mad, but I feel like there is nothing I can do about it. (If you think that TV is the "real world" Star, I pity you.)

oh . . . but religion doesn't tell everyone what to think and what to say? shame on you. you can go ahead and stay mad.

and I don't think tv is the real world . . . I don't take any of it seriously. that's the reality of it, it's all a big joke. try to have a sense of humor.

[Shea]

Originally posted by star blue
oh . . . but religion doesn't tell everyone what to think and what to say? shame on you. you can go ahead and stay mad.

Religion may tell you what to do, but it takes a lot more worth to actually follow it. What's more, if people follow it correctly, it makes a person better, not a bunch of mindless drones.


Originally posted by star blue
and I don't think tv is the real world . . . I don't take any of it seriously. that's the reality of it, it's all a big joke. try to have a sense of humor.

The trouble is, too many people do take it seriously and much of it ends up in some very sad situations. Can you understand why it's hard for me to have a sense of humor about it?

[star blue]

so instead of blaming your classmates, why not blame the corporations here that own and control the media?

[Shea]

I'm not blaming my classmates! Haven't you fully read what I wrote?? I am blaming the corporations. My husband writes letters to them and their sponsors. What else can we do???:mad:

[atiguhya padma]

<Religion may tell you what to do, but it takes a lot more worth to actually follow it. What's more, if people follow it correctly, it makes a person better, not a bunch of mindless drones.>

This all sounds a little muddled. Following religion isn't some great virtue. And who defines whether someone has followed religion correctly? It seems to me that no-one nowadays follows Christianity as it was followed in the 1st Cent. If anything, it is probably the ethical content of religion that makes a person better, although this 'makes a person better' stuff is just silly one-upmanship. Unfortunately there are plenty of examples where religion does make mindless drones - but I suppose the mindless drone contingent of religion are equivalent to the incorrect followers are they?

It is often hard to have a sense of humour about religion too you know?

Personally, I find it difficult to understand why people would want to join a group that has such a history of murder, torture, abuse, etc. There is so much blood on the hands of the world's religions that it doesn't appear to offer attractive membership status.

[star blue]

security, atiguhya. :D

[sloegin]

Shea,

You've yet to call anyone out. You shouldn't be blaming the corporations or your classmates; you should be balming yourself for not being understanding enough. The same thing needs to be said about your aunt. Can't you see that your mother brainwashed you to believe the way you do? And someone brainwashed her. That your whole life is all about confirming an existence set forth by somebody else.

[atiguhya padma]

Star Blue,

Is that a Pascal type of security, or a lemming type?:)

Oh and I almost forgot to say, I've really enjoyed reading your posts recently, I really like your irreverent attitude! It often makes me laugh. Frank, blunt, telling it like it is. Admirable. Keep it up.

[star blue]

more of the pascal type, with a touch of whitey-suburban. ;)

oh, and thanks for the compliment. now I don't have to burn myself with cigarettes . . .

[imthefoolonthehill]

Originally posted by Lara
Well said Stan, I am no saint and swear several times on a daily basis, however, there is a time and place for everything and this is not the place. It's a simple matter of courtesy and respect for others.

I agree... even if it does make me a hypocrate.

[imthefoolonthehill]

and about being irreverant... while it can be funny... it is still not right. You guys can scoff at morals or ideals, but I want people to stick by them, even when I don't want to stick by them myself.

Morals are so important... especially in the society in which I live where people love to throw rocks and spit on them. Morals like trustworthyness, loyalty, helpfullness, friendlyness, being courtious, obediance, cheerfulness, thriftyness, being brave, cleanliness, and being reverent... These things make us better people. And its not about one-upping each other, its about creating a better life for everyone.

I am tired of seeing people wallow in the cess pools of modern society. I am tired of people glorify wickedness, lawlessness, and immorality.

I am tired of seeing it on the television, reading about it in the paper, hearing it on the radio, and seeing it on the streets.

Now, you guys know me... I'm not a holier than thou person... I'm not good at keeping my ideals... in fact... I get in bad moods and break every rule in this post...twice over... but that doesn't mean we should glorify such things. It doesn't mean we should wallow in our own vomit!


Now... even if there is no God to punish or reward us after we die (or whenever)... these things make life in general better for everyone.

While I'm standing on this box with soap scrawled across the side, I might as well ask what the purpose of saying "it is hopeless" is? If life is really hopeless and purposeless, what is the point in saying so? Doesn't it just ruin people's lives?

(unless they ask you what the purpose of life is or something... but you guys get me idea, don't you?)

I guess... I just equally loathe and anticipate you guys' replies.

- the ever-foolish, but sincere

Foolonthehill

[fayefaye]

*gives fool a big hug*


Originally posted by star blue
I don't just think religion is wrong . . . I think it's bullshi:t, because it plays on our fears and our desires. I don't believe in free will, but I think we could possibly do away with religion and get back to how things were thousands of years ago, before the wars, before civilization, before god.

star, I'm begging you to read Civilisation and its Discontents. Freud actually says the same thing, pretty much, about religion. But you write as though you are someone without fears, or desires, and it's not as if there weren't wars before civilisation. And it's not like there wasn't a God before civilisation, either. Religions stretch back a looooooonnnng time. What makes you think civilisation would be any better without them? And how much proof do you have of what the world was like before the Egyptians?


Can't you see that your mother brainwashed you to believe the way you do? And someone brainwashed her. That your whole life is all about confirming an existence set forth by somebody else.

Well, if you think about it, everybody has been brainwashed to some extent. But you have to be able to question it for yourself, and know what to reject and what to accept. I mean, I bet differences in opinion and beliefs wouldn't cause conflict if people didn't try to force their beliefs on others. Not just religious people, either. Atheists do it too. It's an interesting point that people-intentionally or unintentionally, I don't know- will try to push their opinions on others. It sort of ties in with civilisation-it keeps us all in line, all conforming and keeping civilisation going. Religion can cause conflict, and force people to live peacefully with one another... kind of strange. Or maybe we're all ignorant, and we all think we're right, and everyone else is wrong.

And yes, I am Christian. Not a very conventional one, but a Christian none the less.

[editing things out to make me slightly less hypocritical]

[star blue]

you are wrong, faye, religion does not stretch back any further than the egyptians, it's just that simple. the belief in god did not exist, only the belief in nature-spirits who were just as frivalous as human beings, but extremely indifferent to human emotion. and civilization began with the mesopotamians, who were the first people to wage war. I recommend you take an anthropology or a history of pre-civilization course in college.

[Shea]

I can't express my appreciation to you foolonthehill! (What you said was anything but foolish and so I wish there was something else I can call you.)

"It seems to me that no-one nowadays follows Christianity as it was followed in the 1st Cent."

atiguhya, it's funny you said that because that exactly what I try to do. If the Bible tells me to do something, I do my best to do it. If it doesn't say anything about it, I leave it alone.

Sloegin, I honestly don't understand what you're talking about. I'm generally calling people out about foul language by starting this thread.

What do I need to be understanding about? If it means sacrificing my morals, which I've come to understand myself without being brainwashed by anyone, forget it. My aunt is an unadmitted alcoholic. It is because of her example that I've never been drunk in my life. The only alcohol I've ever consumed was a glass of champange with my grandparents for a New Year, and church wine when those same grandparents forced me to be Catholic. (now that is an extremely long and detailed story. I'd be happy to share it with you later if you want. But I doubt it.)

If being brainwashed means learning by the mistakes of the people around me (including my mother's), then call me brainwashed. Is it really neccessary for me to use foul language, drink alcohol, show off my skin, etc...? The penalties that I may or may not recieve for such behavior make it not worth the effort of even trying for it. But the images of tv make people think that these thing are really neccessary for people to be happy. When all it really does is create more misery.

[star blue]

your perfect soul matches your white skin, shea.

[star blue]

look up manifest destiny . . . it's in the book we wrote.

[atiguhya padma]

Shea,

Unless you think that you could be transported to the 1st century and pass yourself off as a 1st Century Christian, then I don't see the point in even trying to behave like that. Firstly, I imagine you wouldn't have a clue as to what everyday life was like back then (I could be wrong, you might be a 1st Century social historian for all I know, but even if you were, I still think the 1st Century Christians would catch you out). Secondly, why do you even want to behave like a 1st Century Christian in the 21st Century? And what are you doing using a computer and the internet? Shouldn't you be out in a boat fishing or something? Or maybe trying to impress some Romans?

[star blue]

hehe, or lighting a bush on fire. :D

ba-ZING!

[star blue]

we all got perfect skin, see, so we gotta be the reason for why the universe exists.

[Shea]

I'm not amish atiguhya, I'll just reiterate the word you chose to use "follows". I think that explains it.

Star, your statements are not worth responding to except to say that I don't claim to be perfect.

No wonder there are complaints as to why threads go off topic!

[imthefoolonthehill]

Star Blue... you don't have anything constructive to say... or any rational argument to pursue. You are here just to insult.

Do the right thing and either clam up or leave.

As for the point in living as "a 1st century Christian would" (presumably living accoording to the Bible)

there are several reasons.

1. If the Bible is correct, you will be rewarded for your good deeds.

2. Reguardless of whether or not the Bible is correct, living in such a way would better society... as long as it was people's choice to live in such a way, and not the mandate of the government, it would give people much happier lives.

[atiguhya padma]

You cannot live as a 1st Century Christian would and have modern technology, modern hygiene, modern political systems etc etc.

The Christianity of the Bible is irrecoverable. You cannot be a first century Christian. It is plainly obvious the bible was written for its time. You cannot be part of that time. There is no time-machine!

[Shea]

Why do you come to that conclusion, atiguhya???

[star blue]

this is a literature forum, but everytime I post in metaphors or metonymies I get assaulted for being puerile, caustic, unconstructive . . . whatever. this is f:uckin' bullshhittttttttt.

put that in your pipe and smoke it.

[fayefaye]

*hitting star blue over the head with giant rubber mallet*

settle down now.... [shea; you're right, it stands out a lot more when people have to alter their typing to swear]

[Stanislaw]

One can live a life of the bible in modern times, the bible is but a guide, a road map to life, a hitch hikers guide to life and death if you will, even if you do not believe in God, it would not hurt to take the morals of the bible into consideration, all they say in the most simplest form is " why don't you all be nice? ". There is nothing wrong with trying to live a life like that. I think Shea is incredibly brave for standing up for her beliefs in a time that does not promote the christian, or religiouse life style for that matter. She follows the bible and is respectfull of others, whats wrong with that? All she was saying, (trying not to put words in her mouth) was that why don't we all town down the language and be nice. I have respect for Shea.

[star blue]

I prefer nails on a chalkboard.

[imthefoolonthehill]

atiguha prime... I know I spelled your name incorrectly..., but I am too lazy to care.

you said something like you can't live as a 1st century Christian because... it isn't the 1st century and we have all this modern technology....

Star Blue... you are detracting from this web site.

What was meant by 'living as a 1st century Christian' was that person would live strictly according to the Bible (in its wholeness... meaning that some of the stuff in the old testament would not apply to the reader).... but that is off track and a completely different subject....

People can live according to the morals and ideas and commandments of the Bible just as the 1st century christian did...

believe me... no one is advocating worse heigeine... :-D

Stanislaw...its good of you to respect Shea... but if you are trying to tell me that the Bible was written so as to be a guide to life... either A. you have yet to read it, or B. you read it, but didn't understand it.

I'm sure your smart enough to understand the Bible... so I won't talk down to you by asuming you have read it already.

It is very clear that the Bible was not written as just some guide or advise book. It was written as set of directions on how to live. A lot of people don't like that, but according to the Bible, there is a way that God wants us to live, and the Bible is basically the directions that come with the box of life... Its not an advice book that can be taken or left without any consequences.

And while I understand the peace-making undertone of your post, I have to say that the Bible wants us to do more than just 'be nice'. Jesus said the most important laws are (paraphrasing) "love God more than anything else and with all ya got" and "love your neighbor as you love yourself"... the second one is the 'be nice' portion.

Dang... I think I'm rambling now... if I don't make sense... then well... pretend I do, ok?

And the chair is against the door and Johnny has a long mustache. Bravo Niner Six.

I would also add that I respect Shea for her stance...

And Star Blue... you realize you cursed in a thread about not cursing... *shakes head*

[fayefaye]

fool, I love your posts. Shea, you rock.

[sloegin]

Originally posted by Shea
Sloegin, I honestly don't understand what you're talking about. I'm generally calling people out about foul language by starting this thread.

Who and instances of when it offended you.


What do I need to be understanding about? If it means sacrificing my morals, which I've come to understand myself without being brainwashed by anyone, forget it. My aunt is an unadmitted alcoholic.

Who are you to judge how someone else lives their life? Did you stop and ask yourself (and her for that matter), why she drinks? Do you ever recall her being anything less than nice to you?

Some of the people on this forum state how it is proper to be kind and understanding of others, yet they are the first to point fingers, to throw the stones. Yeah, keep up your delusions of tolerance.


If being brainwashed means learning by the mistakes of the people around me (including my mother's), then call me brainwashed. Is it really neccessary for me to use foul language, drink alcohol, show off my skin, etc...? The penalties that I may or may not recieve for such behavior make it not worth the effort of even trying for it. But the images of tv make people think that these thing are really neccessary for people to be happy. When all it really does is create more misery.

Learning from those around you--lol, it's like saying, 'it's only human nature--it sounds like you don't want to take responsibility for your actions/feelings/thoughts; for what it's worth, I agree it is easier to blame someone/thing, but then I couldn't sleep at night. I never said you had to live like that. If the television affects somebody that much, they need the misery; perhaps it will bring them into reality.

(if you want to share your catholic story with me, pm it to me.)

[sloegin]

imthefoolonthehill,

You contradict yourself in a matter of lines and expect people to take you seriously...not likely.

You insult star, when all he does is challenge something. Which last time I checked, is how you get to the truth and how you learn.

Just take a look at what you are preaching and then take a look at your actions. Something doesn't add up.

[crisaor]

Originally posted by Shea
Oh c'mon people!! I post this topic yesterday, and your already talking mass murder! At least there wasn't much foul language this time.
Tell me about it. I opened a thread about Jennifer Connelly and they transformed it into a racism discussion. <Sigh>.
On topic, cursing says something that synonims won't. I try to use it when I think it's adequate to do so, or when it fits my mood. Does the prohibition encourage it? I don't know really, but you may be right...

Originally posted by atiguhya padma
This all sounds a little muddled. Following religion isn't some great virtue. And who defines whether someone has followed religion correctly? It seems to me that no-one nowadays follows Christianity as it was followed in the 1st Cent. If anything, it is probably the ethical content of religion that makes a person better, although this 'makes a person better' stuff is just silly one-upmanship. Unfortunately there are plenty of examples where religion does make mindless drones - but I suppose the mindless drone contingent of religion are equivalent to the incorrect followers are they?
You say so. I say it is a great virtue. Religion is not the only thing that makes mindless drones. Science and government easily belong to that categorie also.

Originally posted by atiguhya padma
Personally, I find it difficult to understand why people would want to join a group that has such a history of murder, torture, abuse, etc. There is so much blood on the hands of the world's religions that it doesn't appear to offer attractive membership status.
There is blood on the hands of most countries also. There is also blood on the hands of science too. Most of the times, you can't make that decision. It is made for you when you're little.

[Shea]

Originally posted by sloegin


Who and instances of when it offended you.

I'll give you an analogy of why I try not to do that. I have one professor who is very old school. No gum, food, drinks, talking, etc. I totally understand why she has them, because she happens to find those things disrespectful to her. But when she singles people out for breaking those rules and tries to make fools of them, it makes her look like a mean tyrant. That's why I would rather just make a general statement.



Originally posted by sloegin


Who are you to judge how someone else lives their life? Did you stop and ask yourself (and her for that matter), why she drinks? Do you ever recall her being anything less than nice to you?


Untill you know my aunt personally, you really have nothing to say on this matter.

[Shea]

Thanks for the support Fool, Faye, and Stan.

I want to apologize though if I come off as a little curt and snippy. I really don't mean to be, it's just that I'm under some severe stress right now. My husband and I agreed yesterday that I took on too many classes and I need to drop one.

Now I'll go finish my bowl of key lime pie ice cream (my Valentines gift because that's all we could afford) at 8:30 in the morning while I finish my cry over how my harp dress isn't fitting quite right. (What a stupid thing to cry over, but I can't seem to help it.)

[star blue]

is that key-lime pie ice cream green or white?

[imthefoolonthehill]

sloegin: My hypocracy has already been stated. Its not something I've hidden.

Hypocrates can be right.

Murderers can say that murder is wrong... the character of a person does not effect the truthfullness of his argument.

If Ted Bundy said that we should live Moral lives, would he be any more or less wrong than if the Pope said so?

I don't think so. I'm not claiming to be any of my ideals, I am just hoping somone will have a better life by following them.

[star blue]

two nazi soldiers nail a jew to a tree and castrates him. in the distance, between the cries of flesh, rockets are heard on impact. troops land at normandy never more hopeful that there was a god, but never more certain that there wasn't. hans, fritz and vernor surrender to the red, white and blue. a shout: impending victory for the allied forces. a year later at nuremberg, two germans responsible for slicing off twenty-thousand pairs of testicles are asked to testify on their own behalf: 've vere just following orders.' they are taken outside and shot through the chest.

I've been giving though as of late to the ease with which some of us make moral statements. I think I know the reason, but if you haven't figured out the lesson of the story yet, then it must be emptier than saying, 've vere just following orders.'

[Shea]

In case anyone wonders, I deleted the paragraph describing my aunt. It doesn't make it any less true, but I thought about it later and decided it really wasn't the proper time and place for that.

Sorry.

[Shea]

I wish I could reply to your story star, but my head is still swimming from stress.

By the way the ice cream was green with graham pie crust in it. It's been serving even more of a purpose since I woke up with a sore throat this morning. My husband's a better man than he realizes.

[imthefoolonthehill]

*wonders whats going on*

[star blue]

good key-lime pie is always white.

[Stanislaw]

Hey Fool,

When I stated that the bible was a guide, it is, in the end it is ultimatly your decision to follow it or not. I believe that one should follow the bible, BUT, I do not take it literally word for word, a certain amount of interpretation needs to take place to understand it, it is a stated set of rules, but not all aply to the present.

[Shea]

I just wanted to sort of ressurect (sp) this thread since Kik's fight thread was locked and this kind of relates to it. Not that I want to continue fights by any means. I just wanted to apologize to anyone else it might have irritated. I guess I'm getting irritated myself mostly because of that guy we've dubbed as Abdo, who makes me seriously consider hanging around very often. Now that I have a bit more time, I'm gruging what I might say in reguards to peoples threads because it just gets insulted or turned around and thrown in my face somehow. I'm interested in AP's originality thread, but I loathe to say anything for these reasons.

I know I haven't followed this lately but I'll try too: can we please think about what we say before we say it? I love these forums, but to be honest, though I've had enough time now, I'm wary of even going into the religious section because of what I see in these others. I'd rather not have that turn into the same case with the whole site.

[atiguhya padma]

Hey. I keep telling you guys, I am not Abdo.

I am not fit to anoint Abdo's feet. Some people here seem to be haunted by the ghost of Abdo. It's almost like watching The Ring.

Stanislaw,

Some wise words. You see, as the world changes, so Christianity has to adapt. If not, you have people trying to live in the distant past, when it is obvious that they inhabit the present. This places Christianity in a very difficult position. You see Christianity is on the decline. The Islamic Faith is the fastest growing religion in the US and the world today. As Christianity becomes more secular, it slowly dwindles, losing its adherents to secularism, Islam, Buddhism etc. Or, it promotes pockets of fundamentalism. All religions under threat develop their fundamentalist tendencies.

Shea,

Beliefs are like a Necker cube. You see your corner near to you. I see it further away. It flips the whole thing over like the world turned upside down. But in reality, the cube is only a frame. You can step outside the box. And you can step back in any time. But the box isn't you. So, if you can chill with your beliefs, if you can disengage from your notions and your ideas and your beliefs, then there's absolutely no reason why you can't dispassionately contribute to the originality thread without feeling threatened. If you can't dissociate from your beliefs in an objective way, then I'm not sure you will ever be able to discuss threads with me. In which case, you may as well put me on your ignore list, like Asmuse has done. It would prevent you from being tempted to get involved in something that will only make you feel bad.

:)

[Admin]

Atiguhya is really from Britain, Bryan, the kid who used the Abdo among other usernames, is from Grand Rapids Michigan. They are not the same person. Bryan is not welcome here and thus any usernames he creates will be banned.

[fayefaye]

*surprise* how do you know abdo's real name? how do you know where they are and who creates usernames? I"m getting a little freaked out by admin's wealth of knowledge. ;)

[IWilKikU]

Don't question Admin!!! Just nod your head... nod your head...

[Stanislaw]

Does Admin, work for CIA?:D

Nah he would probably work for the more respectable CSIS:rolleyes:


ANHOOO, Lets just be nice. I mean just because we nailed the last guy to say that to a tree, doesn't mean we can't be nice, respect everyones views, It would be a terrible loss to lose Shea, because some people have to be so offensve all the time, I am not pointing fingers... butcha yall probably get the point. Im not a saint, but lets all be friends, theirs enough waring in the real world, why bring it in here?