Torture

[sdblackhawk]

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What is O’Brian really trying to accomplish by torturing Winston, and all the other people that defy Big Brother?:bawling:

I feel its not only about torture its about self pleasure in the aspect that O’Brian can have total control over the situation and not have to answer to anyone. He is practically the head of at least Winston’s torture, so he has the final say. He dose this because he feels he was captured be the Thought police long ago and is now making other people pay for their crimes against Big Brother.

Please give me you view

[vorticies]

I think it's b/c O'Brien is in love w/ Big Brother and is one w/ the party. He tortures b/c that's what the party wants, namely to convert by any means necessary anyone opposing its views.

Essentially, this book is about the deepest inner struggles and what we as humans want the most. At first Winston believes he wants his own identity and memories, but at the end he realizes that all he really wants is to avoid pain, and that the only way to accomplish that was to love Big Brother. This is also why he knows from the beginning about the "place w/out darkness" and O'Brien. B/c at one level is he fighting against the party and despotism, but at the deeper level he is really fighting to join the party and escape suffering.

[Mystic]

O'Brien is part of the inner party, and the goal of the inner party is to stay in power, which means keeping the outer party, well, out. Like Animal Farm, actually. By torturing and brainwashing Winston, he is 'breeding' another person to love Big Brother and to accept everything, thereby keeping the inner party in and the outer out.

O'Brien is not doing it for his own personal gain. He has no persona for which to gain something, he too loves Big Brother and is only doing the will of the party.

[lil_angel]

O'Brien is part of the inner party, and the goal of the inner party is to stay in power, which means keeping the outer party, well, out. Like Animal Farm, actually. By torturing and brainwashing Winston, he is 'breeding' another person to love Big Brother and to accept everything, thereby keeping the inner party in and the outer out.

O'Brien is not doing it for his own personal gain. He has no persona for which to gain something, he too loves Big Brother and is only doing the will of the party.

I agree. O'Brian doesn't have any personal gain. He is doing this partially because he has to and partially because he wants to. He wants everyone to love Big Brother and to obey Big Brother. One way he does that is by torturing people.

[The Jackle]

The Torture is, in my viewpoint, showing how the state manipulates the masses and individual by playing on fears. The Torture sybilises how the populace of the soviet union had been extaused and final subitted to Stalins ideals. The Noval also introduces the Holy grail of the police state-Thought controll A.K.A Newspeak.The torture also shows how the ruling class force there viewpoint bruttily on there lessers and continualy turn them to think its for there own good where the opisite is obiosly true.