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[LAMIA 2007]

hiii everyone
i have to write a research about the orientalisim theory by saiid
i found the terms but i need a poem or ashort story which apply this theory
please help me to find it :bawling:
20 marks will be for this research , i am a graduate student.
sorry if i bother you but i am really confused and i dont know what i can do .

[Scheherazade]

Hi Lamia,

If you give us at least a very short summary of your research and/or the subject exactly you are interested in, some of our members might be able to come up with some suggestions.

Welcome to the Forum! :)

[ghideon]

hiii everyone
i have to write a research about the orientalisim theory by saiid
i found the terms but i need a poem or ashort story which apply this theory
please help me to find it :bawling:
20 marks will be for this research , i am a graduate student.
sorry if i bother you but i am really confused and i dont know what i can do .

I am far from an authority on either Said or Orientalism. But I have read some of his work. I know this much, the work of Joseph Conrad, is central to much of his theory regarding East-West literary dyanmics. Now I realized that you are not asking for a novel but for a poem or short story...that pretty much has me stumped...although Conrad's novels are short and he did write short stories as well.

You write that you need a poem..."which apply this theory"? You can apply a theory to just about anything. Do you mean a poem/story that "illustrates" his theory?

[LAMIA 2007]

Hi Lamia,

If you give us at least a very short summary of your research and/or the subject exactly you are interested in, some of our members might be able to come up with some suggestions.

Welcome to the Forum! :)

SHE ASK US TO PREPARE AN ESSAY OF THREE OR FOUR PARAGRAPHS.
FIRST PARAGRAPH IS ABOUT THE TERM OF ORIENTALISIM AND THE DIFINITION (I FOUND THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE TERM).

SECOND PARAGRAPH IS ASUMMERY ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE CHOOSE (APOEM OR A SHORT STORY)

THIRD PARAGRAPH IS ABOUT HOW THIS POEM OR SHORT STORY ILLUSTRATES THE THEORY OF ORIENTALISIM.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOU

[LAMIA 2007]

Do you mean a poem/story that "illustrates" his theory?[/QUOTE]


YES , THIS IS WHAT I NEED
I HOPE YOU CAN HELP ME TO FIND IT
THANKS ALOT

[PeterL]

hiii everyone
i have to write a research about the orientalisim theory by saiid
i found the terms but i need a poem or ashort story which apply this theory
please help me to find it :bawling:
20 marks will be for this research , i am a graduate student.
sorry if i bother you but i am really confused and i dont know what i can do .

I'm of the opinion that Said was somewhat off-base with his theory, but try "Gunga Din" by Rudyard Kipling as a poem that demonstrates what he thought. It doesn't really, but it shows an attitude that Europeans had about Asians in the 19th century.

[LAMIA 2007]

hiii everyone

please i need your help :(

i found a poem which may illustrates the orientalisim , one of the formus group told me about but i need a general analysis of that poem and how does it apply the orientalisim theory .

i will present here the poem, Gunga Din a poem by Rudyard Kipling









You may talk o' gin and beer
When you're quartered safe out 'ere,
An' you're sent to penny-fights an' Aldershot it;
But when it comes to slaughter
You will do your work on water,
An' you'll lick the bloomin' boots of 'im that's got it.
Now in Injia's sunny clime,
Where I used to spend my time
A-servin' of 'Er Majesty the Queen,
Of all them blackfaced crew
The finest man I knew
Was our regimental bhisti, Gunga Din.
He was "Din! Din! Din!
You limpin' lump o' brick-dust, Gunga Din!
Hi! slippery hitherao!
Water, get it! Panee lao!
You squidgy-nosed old idol, Gunga Din."

The uniform 'e wore
Was nothin' much before,
An' rather less than 'arf o' that be'ind,
For a piece o' twisty rag
An' a goatskin water-bag
Was all the field-equipment 'e could find.
When the sweatin' troop-train lay
In a sidin' through the day,
Where the 'eat would make your bloomin' eyebrows crawl,
We shouted "Harry By!"
Till our throats were bricky-dry,
Then we wopped 'im 'cause 'e couldn't serve us all.
It was "Din! Din! Din!
You 'eathen, where the mischief 'ave you been?
You put some juldee in it
Or I'll marrow you this minute
If you don't fill up my helmet, Gunga Din!"

'E would dot an' carry one
Till the longest day was done;
An' 'e didn't seem to know the use o' fear.
If we charged or broke or cut,
You could bet your bloomin' nut,
'E'd be waitin' fifty paces right flank rear.
With 'is mussick on 'is back,
'E would skip with our attack,
An' watch us till the bugles made "Retire",
An' for all 'is dirty 'ide
'E was white, clear white, inside
When 'e went to tend the wounded under fire!
It was "Din! Din! Din!"
With the bullets kickin' dust-spots on the green.
When the cartridges ran out,
You could hear the front-files shout,
"Hi! ammunition-mules an' Gunga Din!"

I shan't forgit the night
When I dropped be'ind the fight
With a bullet where my belt-plate should 'a' been.
I was chokin' mad with thirst,
An' the man that spied me first
Was our good old grinnin', gruntin' Gunga Din.
'E lifted up my 'ead,
An' he plugged me where I bled,
An' 'e guv me 'arf-a-pint o' water-green:
It was crawlin' and it stunk,
But of all the drinks I've drunk,
I'm gratefullest to one from Gunga Din.
It was "Din! Din! Din!
'Ere's a beggar with a bullet through 'is spleen;
'E's chawin' up the ground,
An' 'e's kickin' all around:
For Gawd's sake git the water, Gunga Din!"

'E carried me away
To where a dooli lay,
An' a bullet come an' drilled the beggar clean.
'E put me safe inside,
An' just before 'e died,
"I 'ope you liked your drink", sez Gunga Din.
So I'll meet 'im later on
At the place where 'e is gone --
Where it's always double drill and no canteen;
'E'll be squattin' on the coals
Givin' drink to poor damned souls,
An' I'll get a swig in hell from Gunga Din!
Yes, Din! Din! Din!
You Lazarushian-leather Gunga Din!
Though I've belted you and flayed you,
By the livin' Gawd that made you,
You're a better man than I am, Gunga Din!



thanks for any person helping me . i am agraduate student and 20 marks will be for this research :bawling:

[PeterL]

'E carried me away
To where a dooli lay,
An' a bullet come an' drilled the beggar clean.
'E put me safe inside,
An' just before 'e died,
"I 'ope you liked your drink", sez Gunga Din.
So I'll meet 'im later on
At the place where 'e is gone --
Where it's always double drill and no canteen;
'E'll be squattin' on the coals
Givin' drink to poor damned souls,
An' I'll get a swig in hell from Gunga Din!
Yes, Din! Din! Din!
You Lazarushian-leather Gunga Din!
Though I've belted you and flayed you,
By the livin' Gawd that made you,
You're a better man than I am, Gunga Din!


As I wrote earlier, I don't think much of Said's concept of "Orientalism". I have known too many people from too many parts of the world to think that there's much difference from one to another, and that's exactly what Kipling said in "Gunga Din". I suggested the poem, because it shows the opposite of what Said claimed. Kipling made it clear that he didn't recognise the superiority of people of one part of the world over another, and tat it is individual behavior that distinguishes one from another. The ending is very emphatic about that.

Brick dust tho' 'e wuz,
'E wuz a saint,
Good as any the church called 'oly.

[LAMIA 2007]

As I wrote earlier, I don't think much of Said's concept of "Orientalism". I have known too many people from too many parts of the world to think that there's much difference from one to another, and that's exactly what Kipling said in "Gunga Din". I suggested the poem, because it shows the opposite of what Said claimed. Kipling made it clear that he didn't recognise the superiority of people of one part of the world over another, and tat it is individual behavior that distinguishes one from another. The ending is very emphatic about that.

Brick dust tho' 'e wuz,
'E wuz a saint,
Good as any the church called 'oly.


so what can i do , i just have 3 days still.
do you know someone who can help?
thanks alot for your efforts .

[Whifflingpin]

After 10 minutes Googling, I can agree with PeterL, that I don't think much of Said's theory.

However, a poem that contrasts with Gunga Din, from about the same period, might be G.K Chesterton's "Lepanto." Chesterton showed in various places that he had a deep distrust of oriental ideas - Hindu mysticism, Islamic crookedness etc., so he might be the sort of writer that Said is talking about.

The battle of Lepanto was a major sea battle between the Ottoman Empire and the western Meditteranean powers, so it could be treated merely as a political/economic occurence. However, from the very first lines, Chesterton casts the Ottomans into the role of evil.

The Sultan has "a face that all men feared." Even his smile is a crescent of blood.
Chesterton even makes the beards of his protagonists convey the ideas of good versus evil. For the Sultan, we have "the forest darkness, the darkness of his beard." For Don John, the western leader, it is "Don John laughing in the brave beard curled."

You can read the poem to get other examples.

So - I'm not going to write your thesis, but between Gunga Din and Lepanto you have two poems with contrasting attitudes to the orient. The former, as PeterL says, evidence against Said's theory, the latter supporting it.

[PeterL]

so what can i do , i just have 3 days still.
do you know someone who can help?
thanks alot for your efforts .

Just write it. Depending on your exact essay topic, "Gunga Din" might be ideal. I see it as saying that People are people, while others would see the poem as saying that people are different. You could examine both sides and make a conclusion.