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sdblackhawk
11-30-2006, 06:07 AM
hello

What is Orwell trying to tell us about not only Winston but the whole population. When Winston is walking through the Prole section, and a bomb falls and he see's a human hand. Now why do you think he just kicked it aside into the gutter?

Please give me you fellings and thoughts.

Personaly I think it is just simply beacuse he dose not care.

nikechick03
11-30-2006, 09:54 AM
personally i think its not that he dosent care its that you cant trust anyone in that society,everyone is loayal to big brother. :p

Scheherazade
11-30-2006, 09:23 PM
hello

What is Orwell trying to tell us about not only Winston but the whole population. When Winston is walking through the Prole section, and a bomb falls and he see's a human hand. Now why do you think he just kicked it aside into the gutter?

I think this is one of the most disturbing and touching scenes in the book. Winston, despite his struggle not to give in, is also a product of his own society and is insensitive at the sight of a severed human hand. He casually pushes it aside. However much he resists and denies it, he cannot escape the teachings of the society he has been brought up by. He does not think twice to push the hand, like a piece of stone, into the gutter.

King of Frogs
12-14-2006, 11:32 AM
I agree, if you remember back to Winston's diary entry about the cinema, and the disturbing imagery of an entire audience laughing at footage of refugees being blown up, that's the kind of society The Party is trying to create and Winston cannor help but be a part of it.

cheerloud1090
01-04-2007, 11:45 PM
:idea: Winston does not care that is why he just kicks the bomb into the gutter and then just walks away.
:yawnb: Orwell is trying to make a point that the human race does not care about anything anymore.The world in actual reality will not care eventually either .But if the human race does not care anymore or at least the middle and lower class the higher class or as known as the government will try to take over our lives, language, history, past, present, and future.The society will be a total mess and will be blind followers like the proles are in the book.:idea:

poe13
01-05-2007, 07:40 AM
:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: I think that the socity is forcing orwell to act this way and that he doesnt care :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

Starstruck1445
01-08-2007, 11:42 PM
i think that he doesnt have a heart....the society cannot be trusted like someone said above is right...and they all are loyal to big brother but in the end winston falls in love with him to and follows his commands!!
shocker huh?
the society made him their own now he is one of them

Mystic
01-09-2007, 12:50 AM
In all honesty, I think he was always 'one of them'. It is because he was one of them all along that he so easily accepted what he was told by O'Brien, and wasn't just killed anyhow.

rowankat
01-09-2007, 02:02 AM
I However much he resists and denies it, he cannot escape the teachings of the society he has been brought up by.

I think Scheherazade is exactly right-- in addition I would like to comment on the roots of apathy as it plays out in every society. I think the viewing of repeated horrifying images-- whether it was from going to war or watching it on TV even creates a mental mute button and we begin to ignore anything but mass quantities of death...and even then we can get over it quickly. The generation Orwell belonged to was post II world- wars. Gertrude Stein called this generation "The Lost Generation" I think Orwell is a bit after that group...but nevertheless, the generation that saw more than most. This alone would provede an explination for kicking a hand aside...trench warfare was about as ugly as it gets.