Ho ho ho -- hum

[feralhomo]

Is anyone else still sleepy, grouchy, unfed, and wanting some decent verbal exchange? I stayed at home, not wanting to visit relatives, and now I am BORED.

Any suggestions for what to do? Friends used to go to a movie on Christmas Day...

[feralhomo]

ways to make your life surreal/things to do whilst bored

[Koa]

I'm frustrated... I've wasted 4 hours of my life at a table (yes really 4 hours- typical Italian meal) with boring relatives, like every Christmas of my life, like often on Sunday, like it happened twice already in the past 2 months... I can't stand these moments, I hate to pretend I'm a social person, I don't give a damn about Xmas and all such, my family is very close anyway so I don't feel these meetings are needed...:eek: Well there's a positive side: now next Xmas will be in 1 year, plenty of time to recover ...and to plan to runaway somewhere next december... argh

Hope you found a way to make your life surreal, guy. I'd enjoy a solitary plain Xmas for a change. I hate these celebrations where you're forced to do things just because you have to... We're slaves of a system that makes us follow surreal rules.

[fayefaye]

Well, I hid in the corner and read Rimbaud at the stupid pre-Christmas get together. then i ended up playing 'Game of Life' with random people already half pissed. Can't get much more boring than that.

[fayefaye]

Originally posted by Koa
I hate these celebrations where you're forced to do things just because you have to... We're slaves of a system that makes us follow surreal rules.

excellent point, koa.

[Koa]

Thanks faye.

I usually hide as soon as possible if we meet at home... But this year we went to a restaurant, I thought at least it was a change from the usual... Argh it was hell. There were lots of people I didnt know in our group, they tried to make me know a guy in a very embarassing way, and as a conclusion a posh hairdresser said I look like I'm 15 years old cos I don't wear make-up and my hairstyle is plain... Nice, years and years spent in trying to convince myself I'm not that uncool, and this is where the effort goes. What a Xmas day...

Sorry I'm still frustrated...:mad:

[IWilKikU]

you guys are a bunch a scrooges! Dont you know the real meaning of Christmas???



Getting presants!!!!
And making sure that you get the most presants, even if means wrapping some for yourself and labaling them "To Mike, From Santa" and no one knows who actually got it for you but you smile and say "Thank you, whoever got me this real rolex! You shouldn't have!" Than everyone else is all like "Damn, I wish I got a rolex! All I got is this freaking bar of scented soap! scented soap effing sucks damnit!" Then old aunt louise is like "Jimmy hates my soap! I'm the worst old wierd-smelling crazy aunt EVER!" Than she jumps through the cover of the swimming pool and gets all wrapped up and it fills with water and no one can find the opening and Aunt Louise buys the farm right there by the picturesque christmas dinner table, a big piece of honey ham still in her mouth.

Thats the meaning of Christmas

[fayefaye]

Lol. kik. Sounds like a great Christmas, actually, pre-Christmas, I DID spend my last $80 on myself! *evil smiley* you're right-it's great fun. You go into stores and ask for really obscure things, being real picky, and then it's like, 'yeah, it's for my cousin. they're hard to buy for' and the shop assistants have to help you even if you're being a real pain in the arse. :) Can I call you Mike? Or 'weirdo with Rolex?'

Well, koa, were you in a restaurant with friends? I woulda had much more fun if I got to spend Christmas with friends instead of family, but you know, obligations and all. Hanging out in a restaurant doesn't sound half bad. And you're not uncool, silly. Was the guy hot? :)

[sloegin]

Rolex is sh*t. They are for classless people with too much money.

[Jay]

I think THAT was the point... or not?

[Koa]

Faye, xmas with friends??? It's higly forbidden. I think I mentioned family... I detest family meetings, they're really not needed as we're so close anyway.
And I don't have friends anyway (well, maybe 2 or 3)...and they'd rather kill me than spend an evening in my uncool way (sorry I'm just pi**ed off cos as usual I have to go out just for the sake of it when I'd much rather have a nice talk at home, maybe watch a movie... what we do out is sit in some pub and talk...can't we do it at home?:mad: But it's so much cooler to go out even if there's nothing to do... :mad: :mad: ) (And no I can't say no, I'll stay home, otherwise my friend will kill herself cos noone wants her... I'm not that b*stard, I know how loneliness feels).

[fayefaye]

Originally posted by Koa
And I don't have friends anyway (well, maybe 2 or 3)...

I'm sure that's not true. Maybe you just need to meet more people?

[Koa]

Originally posted by fayefaye
I'm sure that's not true. Maybe you just need to meet more people?

That's the problem. Trying to meet people usually ends up in a disaster. I'm the least sociable person in the world, and kinda proud of it :D Don't get too near, I DO bite :D

[Isagel]

The spirit of Christmas, by the Pogues

FAIRYTALE OF NEW YORK

It was Christmas Eve babe
In the drunk tank
An old man said to me, won't see another one
And then he sang a song
The Rare Old Mountain Dew
I turned my face away
And dreamed about you

Got on a lucky one
Came in eighteen to one
I've got a feeling
This year's for me and you
So happy Christmas
I love you baby
I can see a better time
When all our dreams come true

They've got cars big as bars
They've got rivers of gold
But the wind goes right through you
It's no place for the old
When you first took my hand
On a cold Christmas Eve
You promised me
Broadway was waiting for me

You were handsome
You were pretty
Queen of New York City
When the band finished playing
They howled out for more
Sinatra was swinging,
All the drunks they were singing
We kissed on a corner
Then danced through the night

The boys of the NYPD choir
Were singing "Galway Bay"
And the bells were ringing out
For Christmas day

You're a bum
You're a punk
You're an old slut on junk
Lying there almost dead on a drip in that bed
You scumbag, you maggot
You cheap lousy faggot
Happy Christmas your arse
I pray God it's our last

I could have been someone
Well so could anyone
You took my dreams from me
When I first found you
I kept them with me babe
I put them with my own
Can't make it all alone
I've built my dreams around you

[subterranean]

I read these bunch of messages, and felt sorry for all of you. Inspite of the bad weather on X'mas day, obligation to visit relatives which I don't really know, not having enough excellent meals at home, and not getting the present that I want (except some cash), I don't complaint about X'mas.
No I don't, I don't complaint..

*sniff sniff*


I don't complaint..

[lazy cat]

Well I am a teacher and we get two weeks off at Christmas so even if I don't do anything special I rest and do things I like so that's the reason I like Christmas:D

[piquant]

I have to stay at home from school for a full month for christmas. This means sitting on my couch with nothing to do bored out of my wits. I can only read for so many hours a day! And my sister has the TV on. I hate television! And there's no internet (currently at the library). And I can't do anything productive, like write, because my entire, huge, inquiring family will come and peer over my shoulder, and it makes me feel small and silly. And there is no one to talk to about interesting things because my sister is perpetually frightened of freaks, of being a freak herself, and talking to anyone showing freaky tendencies, especially her sister. And I'm not allowed to have opinions or emotions. Stoicism is the only method of survival. Also, don't mention alcohol, parties, sex, or anything that isn't work and church. Living life is forbidin. So are expansive moments of joy. So is suddenly deciding to climb a tree in snow in new dress clothes. So is screaming for the hell of it. So is laying on the floor in the sun peaking in the window pretending its summer. So is breathing.

Not, they're really not that bad. Just stifling. Coming home from college is kind of like dying unto myself. Receding and hiding until its safe to come out. They're good people, and they love me, and I love them, but I have to live, I can't wait for the afterlife. I want joy now, and life now, and love now, and hate now, and anger now, and cold, and heat, and flying, and falling. There is no guarantee for what comes later.

They make good food! I'm storing it up as fat so I can burn that when I go back to school broke. Do you think I can not starve on a dollar a day?

[Koa]

I understand every single word piquant, really.
(i'm also stuffed as pig after these meals lol :D)

[IWilKikU]

Well, I like Christmas! So there! I was stuck with my super-hyperactive little cousin almost 24-7 for a week and he got on my last nerve, and I had to eat vegatarian Christmas lunch with my weird grandparents and their crazy foster child, and I didn't get anything I wanted except from my girlfriends mom who wasnt in the same state anyways, but for some reason, I really loved it. And Im not being sarcastic like sub ;). I really did enjoy my holiday break. Sorry to spread my sunshine where its unwanted. :D :D :D

[imthefoolonthehill]

PIquant: you said, "my entire, huge family willcome and peer over my shoulder, and it makes me feel small and silly"

I know what you mean by these words... or at least, I take meaning from them. Isn't it amazing how when you show people the deepest, most expansive feelings or thoughts, they immediately belittle it, if not by their expressions or words or tone, then by their mere pressense.

Our lives, which seem so important, so hard, so trying, can all be belittle simply by close examination. Was it plato that said the unexamined life is not worth living? IF so, he was a writhing idiot. The unexamined life is the only life worth living. Otherwise the feeling of tinyness and intensinocity are inexcapable.

[Koa]

AAH foolonthehill that's so right... I think I have great paranoias coming from my relative's overanalyzing everything I do!


Sorry to spread my sunshine where its unwanted.
Uhmm...I'm not sure I can forgive you...Maybe once this damn period is over and January brings back some hatefully nice routine...

[piquant]

Fool: Yeah, you got my meaning right. I just don't understand why people are afraid of everything deep, and why, when I'm around people who are afraid, I feel afraid too. I feel like a child huddling in a corner with a journal, recording the hideously inconsequentials, in a dialect no adult can understand, and that someday I won't understand. It is just a sense of insufferable smallness in the face of big important things like working and paying bills and dentist's appointments. Those things have never been able to hold me and sometimes I just feel ashamed that I can't pull off mediocrity, and I need passion and drama and living fast. I don't know if it's right to mess with their complacent happiness. If I only make it worse with my examination.

Koa: Thanks for your empathy! It's good to know at least two other people out there undersatnd.

Kik: Really, I'm mellowdramatic, I did have a good christmas, even a great christmas, and I know that it's me that's the problem, not anyone else, and god bless christmas and those who enjoy it.

[fayefaye]

Originally posted by imthefoolonthehill
The unexamined life is the only life worth living. Otherwise the feeling of tinyness and intensinocity are inexcapable.
That's true. People only ever learn from experience anyway-you can read philosophy all you like, but chances are it won't make the slightest difference to how you live your life. The reason self-help is such a total load of b.s.
Calvin and Hobbes:
'Hey Hobbes, I'm writing a book. It's a self-help book called 'how to stop whinging and think about things over than yourself.' Problem is, once this is a bestseller, I can't write a sequel'
(I love Calvin and Hobbes)


sometimes I just feel ashamed that I can't pull off mediocrity, and I need passion and drama and living fast.

piquant, that is definately not something to be ashamed of. If it makes you feel any better, it's always easier to think of yourself as an average person surrounded by complete and utter idiots, and people mindnumbingly boring. Deep things scare people because they prefer ignorance. Anyway, I think I know how you feel too.


It is just a sense of insufferable smallness in the face of big important things like working and paying bills and dentist's appointments.

But sometimes it turns out the small things are what really matters.....why care about dentist's appointments?

[piquant]

Why aren't people like you all real? I mean, you all are real in the sense that you are all real people, but not real in the sense that I can see you or talk out loud to you. Of all my friends/family I'd say there's only one, maybe two, who can come close to you all in intelligence, educatedness, and soulfulness. I imagine I would be so much more happy if I wasn't so isolated.

I defended homosexuality on New Year's, simply because I couldn't sit there and let an entire group of people be slaughtered by my family. And they started yelling at me and quoting the bible, and my grandmother started crying, and now I know they're all praying for me. So what! SOmeone doesn't believe what you believe, and is hunting for happiness in the way they best can, and they're not hurting anyone. Why do you have to condemn them! Can't we just let people who are different from us alone, and let them live their lives?

[fayefaye]

What if we're not real? Figments of your imagination, lost in a dream..? *Sigh* I'm not really intelligent. The people you meet.... They are probably, well some of them, intelligent and educated, and maybe even have souls. But people hide things like that. People wouldn't show it to others if they were more educated than them for fear of making them feel inadequate, or resent them for their higher education. Aside from that, it's harder to relate to people who are less intelligent than you. hard to talk to them. (I know I said I'm not intelligent, but I am surrounded by idiots, mostly). Sometimes it's easier to just be mindlessly facetious than be truthfully intelligent, but unable to relate to people. make that all the time. As for the last one, who wants to show soulfulness? Only people with souls get hurt. If you have a soul, you can too.

Sorry to hear about your family gathering. I know what it's like to be surrounded by people who hold suffocatingly different beliefs or opinions that they try to force onto you. the thing about people's beliefs, the really screwed up, gonna start a war now thing is that everybody believes they are right in their own beliefs, and therefore eveybody else must be wrong. And they don't understand other people's ideas, opinions or beliefs, so belittle them instead. It'd be easier if people could just accept their differences. But people are idiots. what can you do?