Disagree!!!

[bazarov]

Hi! I've just finished reading Animal farm, and look on the forum about some characters and I have to disagree with some opinions.
1. Major-it can't be Lenin!!! Lenin made the revolution in 1917, it didn't happend after his dead. He survived the assassination attempt in 1922. but never got well and he died in 1924,and then Stalin became the boss. Major can only be Karl Marx, niether Lenin or Engels(I saw that also).
2. Minimus can't be Maxim Gorky; he was poisoned by Stalin.
3.Squealer would be Agitprop, man used for propagnada, something like Goebbels in Hitler's Nazi-Germany.
There is no Lenin on Farm, but I think it would be Napoleon in his early days, when he and Snowball were still friends, working for higher good.
I would be glad to here other opinions.



Four legs good, two legs better!!! :lol:

[MikeK]

I haven't read all of the posts on the Orwell board. I just saw the above post by Bazarov on the title page, so I don't know exactly what everyone's been saying, but I thought it was commonly accepted that Napoleon was Stalin and Snowball was Trotsky, no? I mean, didn't Orwell say as much in one of his writings? I thought that he did - but I may be wrong about that.

The one thing that I know for sure that Orwell said was that his model for the Ministry of Truth in 1984 was the BBC. I've always found that hilarious.

[Asa Adams]

I haven't read all of the posts on the Orwell board. I just saw the above post by Bazarov on the title page, so I don't know exactly what everyone's been saying, but I thought it was commonly accepted that Napoleon was Stalin and Snowball was Trotsky, no? I mean, didn't Orwell say as much in one of his writings? I thought that he did - but I may be wrong about that.

The one thing that I know for sure that Orwell said was that his model for the Ministry of Truth in 1984 was the BBC. I've always found that hilarious.

No, you are right. Lenin Started the Revoultion. just like major started it by sparking the fires in snowball and napolean. Orwell just made things easier by having it seem that major had nothing to do with the Rev, however, in reality, Major was the Leader and source for the revolution; he had dream... :nod:

[bazarov]

Maybe it wasn't clear enough: Napoleon is Stalin, but in his early days he might representing Lenin.

[Asa Adams]

yes, however in this book, major clearly represents Lenin.

[bazarov]

yes, however in this book, major clearly represents Lenin.
No, why??? Major didn't do nothing for revolution except idea( that's not small :lol: ) but Lenin did, he leaded revolution. Maybe Orwell said something of pointing on Lenin??? If so, he missed :lol: :lol:

[Asa Adams]

*Sigh*

Once more.....

it is not, repeat not, a historical biography. It is a story adapted for the reader to comprehend it quite simply. You are over analysing this character, Bazarov.

second- Major offers the plausible idealist philosohpy on which revolutions are based. Sure he takes little action in the development of animal farm, however he is the seed in which everything takes place.

A question to you, Baz. Do you not think that the skull of old major reminds you of the exposure of the mummified body of Lenin in Moscow?

[rabid reader]

Olg Major was suppose to be a cross between Marx-Lennon. Lennon really had little to do with the story Orwell was trying to write since really the story takes place after Lennon passes. The revolution itself was really a minor party of the plot and to develop a insignifigant charactor like Lennon was unnecessary.

Lennon was a major influence in the innitaation but died so early into the age of communist Russia his ideas and influence were quickly forgotten.

[Asa Adams]

Lennon was a major influence in the innitaation but died so early into the age of communist Russia his ideas and influence were quickly forgotten.

Hmmmmm, Sounds an awful lot like ol' major... :lol:

[Boris239]

To call Lenin Lennon is pretty funny. Poor John :lol:

And whoever says that Lenin's influence was felt only in the initial part of the USSR is very mistaken. He most certainly was an undisputed leader until his death and Stalin after all finished a lot what Lenin started. Lenin's influence was profound all the time, and even during perestroyka Lenin was still respected and his ideas were studied in Russian universities.

[Asa Adams]

[QUOTE=Boris239]To call Lenin Lennon is pretty funny. Poor John :lol: [QUOTE]

Good call, i missed that. lol

[rabid reader]

Hmmmmm, Sounds an awful lot like ol' major... :lol:
Thats why it's a cross betweent the two

[Asa Adams]

REALLY?????!!!!!!! :brow:

[elizaaa]

it's just a representation. every little detail doesn't have to be precise. key word, representation.

[Lily Adams]

Actually, I'm pretty sure Squealer is the equivalent to the Pravda, the Soivet Union's propaganda newspaper. In Animal Farm, Squealer reads off of a list that food production has increased by 300% (or whatever) and that the animals have much more food than they had when Jones was in power. The Pravda did the same thing.

Another cool thing my friend pointed out was that when the sheep started to bleat "Four legs good, two legs better!" it represented communism starting off with a lowercase c, and then turning into a capital c. (Marxism turning into Stalinism.)