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Isagel

11-27-2003, 07:10 AM

I know we are not supposed to discuss politics - but since I´m not a US citizen I must ask - is i really a crime to state your opinion about religion? Is it possible that nicholasburrus migth have misunderstood something? I thought citizens of the united states held the freedom of speech in high regard, as well as religious freedom. Perhaps Admin can help us out? I´m not trying to start any big debate, I only want to know.

AbdoRinbo

11-27-2003, 09:09 AM

The first amendment protects freedom of speech, which encompasses freedom of religion as well. It is not illegal to talk about one's views on religion in the US, but the patriot act suspends certain rights so that the US can profile potential terrorists both ethnically and racially.

Isagel

11-27-2003, 09:24 AM

Thanks for the help.

AbdoRinbo

11-27-2003, 09:36 AM

No, thank George W. Bush. :D

nicholasburrus

11-27-2003, 10:27 PM

Originally posted by AbdoRinbo
The first amendment protects freedom of speech, which encompasses freedom of religion as well. It is not illegal to talk about one's views on religion in the US, but the patriot act suspends certain rights so that the US can profile potential terrorists both ethnically and racially.

thank you for explaining

DumbLikeAPoet

11-28-2003, 01:10 AM

That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.........

Jonus

fayefaye

11-28-2003, 01:57 AM

YEAH? well i'm not in america (there are other countries, u know) so suck on that! *sticks out tongue* i can say whatever i like!

nicholasburrus

11-28-2003, 01:12 PM

Will most people live in America and some other Countries have the same Admendment

Also in the United States we don't have alot of freedom over speech cause the goverment will kill you like they did to the farmer in Roswell. He disappeared with no trace

Jay

11-28-2003, 02:29 PM

Is it just me or it's getting a little unfriendly around here... so what, I don't agree with you so I'm gonna call you names? I don't want any of you to act hypocraticly (hope that IS a word), just you know, others do have different ideas and opinions, and what a surprise, they have the right to have different opinion, and there IS a nicer way to let somebody know you disagree. Not to be politically correct or whatever, but because we can behave like well, wanted to say adults, not everyone here is an adult, or as a human beings, but then humans (at least some of them) are ehm, acting weird as well... I hope at least someone got my point.

crisaor

11-28-2003, 03:29 PM

Originally posted by fayefaye
YEAH? well i'm not in america (there are other countries, u know) so suck on that! *sticks out tongue* i can say whatever i like!
Man, that's a great post.:p

fayefaye

11-28-2003, 11:22 PM

thanks crisaor.

Originally posted by nicholasburrus
Will most people live in America and some other Countries have the same Admendment

World population-6.33billion, population of the United States of America-292.7million. So population NOT living in America-over 6 billion. percentage of the world not living in america-95.4% MOST PEOPLE??!!! 5% is MOST PEOPLE??!! uhm, I DON'T think so. How can we have the 'same Amendment' if we have a different constitution?

And Jay, I usually understand your posts, but not really that one... Maybe you meant that people should share their ideas without being offensive? I think most people here do. Actually, I don't think I've ever read a really offensive or disparaging comment here regarding others beliefs.

imthefoolonthehill

11-29-2003, 10:46 PM

uh... you idiots... it is not a crime to call someone an idiot for their opinions... about anything... it is not a crime to insult someone's opinion. (In the USA that is)... it IS a crime to prohibit people from stating their opinions.

IT IS NOT A CRIME TO make 'bad remarks' about people's religion...

my gosh... some people just don't know what they are talking about... it sure doesn't stop them from talking, though.

imthefoolonthehill

11-29-2003, 10:49 PM

PS nicholasburrus... I am officially announcing that I DONT KNOW YOU. *wonders how many other crazy conspiracy theorists are in this thread*

fayefaye

11-29-2003, 11:10 PM

Oh great, fool. So then can I call nic an idiot? I'd like that. Nic, you're an IDIOT. :) wow-what a thrill!! I should tell more people what I think of them!

imthefoolonthehill

11-30-2003, 01:27 AM

heh... I have fun with it... and if they get offended... well... what kind of genius gets offended by some guy they have never seen telling them they are an idiot? I mean... it would be like getting offended by a telemarketer calling you an idiot.

fayefaye

11-30-2003, 01:40 AM

the one conversation I ALWAYS wanted to have with a telemarketer:
'Yes, I'm very interested with that product. Just give me your home phone number and I'll call you back. Oh? You don't want to give me your home phone number? I guess you don't want to be bothered at home. Well, now you know how I feel.' (rough quote from Seinfeld)

Man, I would LOVE to say that. But telemarketers here are pretty polite-I mean, they irritate the hell out of me, but seeing as how they're stuck in some crummy job where they HAVE to call people up and irritate them makes me so sympathetic that I just can't bring myself to be overtly rude to them. Shame.

As for insulting people.. why yes, that is fun. :)

imthefoolonthehill

12-01-2003, 01:28 AM

I relish those telemarketer calls... there is ALWAYS something fun you can do with them...

One of my personal favorites is to drone on about how you need their product for hours... and then make up lame, but lengthy excuses as to why you would rather they call back tomorrow.

fayefaye

12-01-2003, 08:03 AM

LOL. Yeah, I always really want to mess with them. Play fun little mind games. Give random responses, maybe pretend I'm schizo. 'shhh! You're too loud.' 'oops. sorry' 'No, not you...' *silence* I just have this bugger of a conscience that stops me from doing it. :( Maybe next time. :)

Jay

12-01-2003, 01:00 PM

Just disregard the post Faye, not worth it.

fayefaye

12-01-2003, 08:43 PM

Wait, what post?

nicholasburrus

12-01-2003, 11:20 PM

In america we have over 30 million illegal immigrants and we grt more from mexico everyday and we send them back(only a avarge of 3 a day caus that is alot and as the third largest country in the world and hundreds of ghost towns

How come everyone is leaving Mexico America is running out of jobs

Since i am British I move To England and apply for Citzenship i herad it is hard but worth it

Stanislaw

12-01-2003, 11:26 PM

Mexico's economy is bad. And their is plenty of McDonalds in the usa.:(

Immigration, and the mistreatement of immigrants is a sad issue in today's world.

imthefoolonthehill

12-02-2003, 12:22 AM

yeah... a fun thing to tell telemarketers is that the phone is tapped and that they shouldn't speak the normal code-phrases....

fayefaye

12-02-2003, 08:22 AM

lol. Oh, and nic? Even with 30million illegal immigrants, the majority of the world's population is STILL not concentrated within the US. (Believe it or not)

DumbLikeAPoet

12-02-2003, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by nicholasburrus
In america we have over 30 million illegal immigrants and we grt more from mexico everyday and we send them back(only a avarge of 3 a day caus that is alot and as the third largest country in the world and hundreds of ghost towns

How come everyone is leaving Mexico America is running out of jobs

Since i am British I move To England and apply for Citzenship i herad it is hard but worth it

Most illegal immigrants take jobs that most Americans don't want. IE picking fruit for like $2.50 an hour. I admit they need to come here legally and are a drain on american tax dollars but........we need people to do menial work.....

Jonus

Jay

12-02-2003, 01:47 PM

Well Faye, as I don't have much time and oportunity recently (and really don't like the quoting thingy), I mean, I don't respond soon enough ... damn, just have to sort out the quotations I think...

Originally posted by Jay
Is it just me or it's getting a little unfriendly around here... so what, I don't agree with you so I'm gonna call you names? I don't want any of you to act hypocraticly (hope that IS a word), just you know, others do have different ideas and opinions, and what a surprise, they have the right to have different opinion, and there IS a nicer way to let somebody know you disagree. Not to be politically correct or whatever, but because we can behave like well, wanted to say adults, not everyone here is an adult, or as a human beings, but then humans (at least some of them) are ehm, acting weird as well... I hope at least someone got my point.

and you:

Originally posted by Faye
And Jay, I usually understand your posts, but not really that one... Maybe you meant that people should share their ideas without being offensive? I think most people here do. Actually, I don't think I've ever read a really offensive or disparaging comment here regarding others beliefs.

This one. UF, finally found out how to use quotations with this new software :o. And yes, I did mean kinda that what you thought.

nicholasburrus

12-02-2003, 05:29 PM

Thanks and we do have Mcdonalds in America i don't eat there

Stanislaw

12-02-2003, 10:12 PM

I don't eat at the canadian Mcdonalds. I hate corperations who sell the soul's of their employees to the devil.

Unfortunatly in Canada we have foriegn trained doctors working at minimum wage do to the language barrier and "canadian work expieriance" issues.

nicholasburrus

12-02-2003, 10:18 PM

I'm a Vegitairain and Doctors are millionaries here

Stanislaw

12-02-2003, 10:23 PM

We have free health care. Any way I was talking about Immigrants who have just arrived, they can not get jobs, and in the end they end up taxing the taxes.

I am a omnivour. I eat everything.

nicholasburrus

12-02-2003, 11:03 PM

Health care here is expensive

I dont like Democracy

imthefoolonthehill

12-03-2003, 01:04 AM

I am all for immigration... but if it is illegal, it must be punished.

fayefaye

12-03-2003, 07:01 AM

What about people who can't get in the front way, so they come in the back? I think the government should just change it's immigration laws, but I'm talking about the country I'm in, and not America. Here people who deserve to get in often don't (refugees, etc) and yet the government will allow any idiot in as long as they have adequate money. (wherever they obtained it) I hate McDonalds. I want to see that company crash and burn. Their foods disgusting, not to mention all the crap they do. Doctors here earn quite a lot too, I've never heard of a doctor working minimum wage in my life.

Stanislaw

12-03-2003, 10:10 PM

The minnimum wage was for doctors who have recently immigrated to Canada but there foriegn credentials are not recognized. It really makes me sad to live in a place that belittles all the beutifle minds that other cultures have to offer.

I think McD's will be gone soon, they are kinda flowndering.

den

12-03-2003, 10:30 PM

Drs. here whose medical licences they obtain in another country don't necessarily have them recognised here. So, they end up doing menial labour, minimum wage, burger flipping jobs. They're NOT allowed to practice until they pass provincial licensing exams. Makes sense to me.

The problem is there is no international standardisation. Even some Universities from one province to the next here don't recognise another's accreditations.

Stanislaw

12-03-2003, 10:48 PM

It's a very sad situation. I wish a universal degree could be created so people could do the jobs they trained to do.

nicholasburrus

12-05-2003, 05:01 PM

Froget it

fayefaye

12-05-2003, 11:57 PM

ok. frogotten. :)

nicholasburrus

12-06-2003, 12:58 AM

McDonalds make millions of dollors in America since we do have the fattest people on earth

fayefaye

12-06-2003, 01:11 AM

lol. Yes, well, someone should really get rid of that company somehow.

nicholasburrus

12-06-2003, 01:15 AM

It is ok here but it may crash out side of the US

fayefaye

12-06-2003, 02:07 AM

I want it to crash. I don't even want to touch their food.

nicholasburrus

12-06-2003, 02:09 AM

wHAT ABOUT AMERICA WE LOVE IT

will i don't

Dyrwen

12-06-2003, 05:24 AM

Become more coherent and the discussions you start will find a way to become more than what they are.

*inserts self-made inspirational-educational thought into thread*

imthefoolonthehill

12-06-2003, 05:32 PM

Why do you guys want McDonalds to crash and burn? I hate their food too... but they employ thousands of workers, and help the economy... if you don't like it, eat somewhere else.

It seems kind of odd to me that people want thousands of people to become unemployed just because they make unheathy and disgusting food... which people pay money to eat.

imthefoolonthehill

12-06-2003, 05:32 PM

oh... and not only that... they help employ quite a few farmers in idaho with their popular french fries and hashbrowns.

fayefaye

12-07-2003, 12:05 AM

Yes, and log huge areas of land on which to graze cattle that are inhumanely slaughtered, thus increasing environmental problems as well as health problems. Oh and who could forget the many varied ways they find to slip fat into people's food. I'm sure that guy on his death bed from that last hamburger is all too comforted that he's helped to maintain some teenager's employment, so that they can use the money to go buy a car.