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lch
05-08-2006, 03:27 AM
Hi, I am a foreign student of English and I have to analyse Elizabeth Bishop's "The Fish." Poetry is really not my cup of tea and I would be glad if anyone could help me with it.

I caught a tremendous fish
and held him beside the boat
half out of water, with my hook
fast in a corner of his mouth.
He didn't fight.
He hadn't fought at all.
He hung a grunting weight,
battered and venerable
and homely. Here and there
his brown skin hung in strips
like ancient wallpaper,
and its pattern of darker brown
was like wallpaper:
shapes like full-blown roses
stained and lost through age.
He was speckled with barnacles,
fine rosettes of lime,
and infested
with tiny white sea-lice,
and underneath two or three
rags of green weed hung down.
While his gills were breathing in
the terrible oxygen
--the frightening gills,
fresh and crisp with blood,
that can cut so badly--
I thought of the coarse white flesh
packed in like feathers,
the big bones and the little bones,
the dramatic reds and blacks
of his shiny entrails,
and the pink swim-bladder
like a big peony.
I looked into his eyes
which were far larger than mine
but shallower, and yellowed,
the irises backed and packed
with tarnished tinfoil
seen through the lenses
of old scratched isinglass.
They shifted a little, but not
to return my stare.
--It was more like the tipping
of an object toward the light.
I admired his sullen face,
the mechanism of his jaw,
and then I saw
that from his lower lip
--if you could call it a lip
grim, wet, and weaponlike,
hung five old pieces of fish-line,
or four and a wire leader
with the swivel still attached,
with all their five big hooks
grown firmly in his mouth.
A green line, frayed at the end
where he broke it, two heavier lines,
and a fine black thread
still crimped from the strain and snap
when it broke and he got away.
Like medals with their ribbons
frayed and wavering,
a five-haired beard of wisdom
trailing from his aching jaw.
I stared and stared
and victory filled up
the little rented boat,
from the pool of bilge
where oil had spread a rainbow
around the rusted engine
to the bailer rusted orange,
the sun-cracked thwarts,
the oarlocks on their strings,
the gunnels--until everything
was rainbow, rainbow, rainbow!
And I let the fish go.

ktd222
05-08-2006, 04:04 AM
Well someone wouldn't make you analyze a poem unless they taught you some stuff on it first, so what have you been taught? You lead and I'll have no problem with helping analyze this poem.

mono
05-09-2006, 10:19 PM
Hello, lch, welcome to the forum. :)
I have read this poem quite a few times, and the analysis of it remains relatively straight-forward and simple, yet would also find it very challenging reading it in another language.
Bishop easily begins the poem of catching a tremendous fish, and, after reading this poem several times, I would like to think that she never quite realized the life of another living thing that many individuals fish/hunt/kill/etc. for survival. She very closely notices every detail of the fish, its gills, eyes, and goes into depth of certain aspects of the fish that seem human-like, such as describing the scales by using "skin" rather than scales, and referring to its jaw.
Of course, fish cannot survive in the open air, as Bishop felt the fish dying from struggling outside of the water, she perceived the fish more as an object (lines like, when referring to its eyes: 'they shifted a little, but did not return my stare'). Bishop seemed to meditate on the fact of owning another living thing's life by reflecting extensively on its characteristics, making them, in her mind, more and more humane. Eventually, she concluded that the fish ought to continue thriving, seeing it as something not produced by individuals, such as the oil pouring into the river, the 'oarlocks on their strings, the gunnels' etc., seeming why she allowed the fish back into the water.
Hopefully this helped. Let me know if you want to discuss this poem further. ;)

lch
05-12-2006, 02:51 AM
Hi, thanks a lot for that. I have some additional questions about the poem.

Firstly the problem of gender :) - can we identify the speaker with the author and the second problem is why the fish is called 'He' (He didn't fight. He hadn't fought at all.) What would that indicate?

I am also wondering why Bishop described the fish in such an 'ugly' way.(He was speckled with barnacles, fine rosettes of lime, and infested with tiny white sea-lice, and underneath two or three rags of green weed hung down.)

ktd222
05-12-2006, 03:56 AM
mono? you must let Ich help himself/herself first! We're not here to do the work for them, are we?

Xamonas Chegwe
05-12-2006, 04:10 AM
I agree ktd (surprisingly ;) ) - I find it hard to believe that ich is all that foreign too - his grasp of english seems perfectly good enough to ask his questions - perhaps he should apply it to answering them for himself.

ktd222
05-12-2006, 04:12 AM
Firstly the problem of gender :) - can we identify the speaker with the author and the second problem is why the fish is called 'He' (He didn't fight. He hadn't fought at all.) What would that indicate?
Does Bishop say he/she/they caught a tremendous fish?
What is Bishop doing to the fish in the poem? A fish doesn't have to be only a fish. Symbolism?


I am also wondering why Bishop described the fish in such an 'ugly' way.(He was speckled with barnacles, fine rosettes of lime, and infested with tiny white sea-lice, and underneath two or three rags of green weed hung down.)

I'll help you out by saying one word: resolution.

lch
05-12-2006, 11:13 AM
I agree ktd (surprisingly ;) ) - I find it hard to believe that ich is all that foreign too - his grasp of english seems perfectly good enough to ask his questions

Hey, didn't I wrote that I'm a foreign English STUDENT? I've been learning English for almost 7 years so mabe this is why it's not so bad. Maybe you think that all people love to read poetry but I don't. I'm keen on mathematics and poetry really makes great difficulties for me in general. I'm just asking for help but if you do not want to help me, that's fine.

mono
05-12-2006, 01:20 PM
mono? you must let Ich help himself/herself first! We're not here to do the work for them, are we?
I must do nothing, and that you state that as an obligation of mine not to help, I find unnecessary. I came to this forum to discuss literature, and if that involves helping someone with his/her homework on analyzing a poem, I will do that, too. Though many individuals ask for help with their homework, all members have the choice to provide aide or not; please, show respect for others' decisions.

Firstly the problem of gender - can we identify the speaker with the author and the second problem is why the fish is called 'He' (He didn't fight. He hadn't fought at all.) What would that indicate?
I see what you mean, lch. Though Bishop writes from a first-person perspective in the poem, she never implies that she necessarily makes up the 'I' in the poem; that, I think, remains unknown, unless this poem gets proven as based on an actual experience of Bishop's. Why she labels the fish as male, I also have no idea, but the fish's actions of not fighting or struggling probably demonstrates the vulnerability of the fish, and the dominance of the human, though the person soon finds it in his/her heart to release the fish (see my first response to this thread).

I am also wondering why Bishop described the fish in such an 'ugly' way.(He was speckled with barnacles, fine rosettes of lime, and infested with tiny white sea-lice, and underneath two or three rags of green weed hung down.)
I think Bishop describes the fish equally in alluring and not-so-attractive ways, as I mentioned, also giving it some human-like attributes. What other characteristics consist of, I think, Bishop emphasizes the environment from which the fish came (also full of life - the barnacles, sea-lice, etc.). Realizing toward the end of the poem, and recognizing the fish as a living thing, I think the sea-lice specifically, a parasite (which must feed off something living to live itself), gives a further depth, further identifying the fish as living.

green_bard
05-23-2006, 12:35 AM
is there anyone who are doning graduation on literature?

Logos
05-23-2006, 07:45 AM
mono, thank you again for being the gracious soul you are and kindly offering your assistance :)

If other people don't want to offer any help, fine, please don't post.

Virgil
05-23-2006, 07:57 AM
We discussed this poem on PoemOfThe Week once. It started on post #81 and went on for a few pages. Here's the site: http://www.online-literature.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13557&page=6&pp=15