make a list

[falling*moon]

Hello,

Because I know all of you to be tolerant and intelligent bookworms , I would like to make a tiny suggestion , that is :
Why don’t we list the main teachings of the three main religions ?

1- Judaism teachings
2- Christian teachings
3- Muslim teachings

I do not know if Atheists want to share with us ( graciously ;) ) since they do not believe in what we believe, Yet they might have read something important J and I welcome them with us ..



please, let’s make it in a list-form , to be easier for us to understand and compare politely and respectfully for the sake of knowledge ,, nothing else..




PS: dear Logos: if someone misbehave or something please scrub out his post without closing the whole thread as you guys always do… :rage: thank u

[falling*moon]

Ok, no one home…?

Maybe I should give an example of what I had in mind :

What does Judaism say about stealing ..? about marriage … killing a bird or something ??


The same thing about Christianity… Islam.. what do Moslems think about adopting an orphan for example… etc..


I meant some of the teachings we can use for life.. I don’t expect you to write me a book ..!



Come on guys..

[miss tenderness]

Peace and blessings of Allah be upon you (this is what we Muslims greet each other by)

Thank u for this idea; it's kinda simple and effective. I just hope that
Everyone who tells about his religion should write JUST TRUTHS.
Now what do u want to know about my great religion Islam. All over the world it is Muslims who have the least Atheism in their societies, why? coz they're greatly believe in the Truth of their God and their religion. The Islamic societies have the least number of people who attempt suicide because you hardly find a Muslim who is discontent with his life (thanks are due to Allah the Almighty alone)
This is a basic rule in Islam that is" Your God is one God. There is no god but him. He is merciful and compassionate". –from the Holy Qur'an, Al-Baqara, Surah 2:163.other basic rule in Islam" If any do deeds of righteousness,--be they male or female--and have faith, they will enter Heaven, and not the least injustice will be done to them". -Qur'an. Another one
"The true servants of the merciful Lord are those who do not tell lies against others" from the Holy Quran.

"And withhold not things justly due to men, nor do evil in the land, working mischief. And fear Him Who created you and (who created) the generations before" from the Holy Quran.

"When you enter a house, greet the people present in the name of God; and let your greeting be warm and gentle" Holy Quran

"Let evil be rewarded with evil. But those who forgive and seek reconciliation will be rewarded by God. Those who do evil are not loved by God." Holy Quran.


Do you want me to continue? Notice that I give u one rule and then give the evidence from our holy book (the Holy Quran).


Now let me give u some sayings of Allah's Messenger prophet Mohammad (peace and blessings of God be upon him).So u can judge by yourself what Islam is all about.You should know that the sayings of our prophet are as holy as Allah's words because all of what he says is dictated to him by Allah the Almighty.

Here we go……

"No man is a true believer unless he desireth(desire) for his brother that which he desireth for himself" said Prophet Mohammad pbbuh.


"The nearest to me are the abstinent, whoever they are, wherever they are".said Prophet Mohammad.

"There is no monasticism in Islam" said Prophet Mohammad


"Ye followers of Muhammad, I swear by God, there is not anything which God so abhors, as adultery" said prophet Mohhamad

" Verily, to honour an old man is showing respect to God"said prophet mohammad.

"Fear God, in treating dumb animals and ride them when they are fit to be ridden and get off them when they are tired"

"Do not adulate me, as the Christians adulated the son of Maryam(Juses). I am a slave, call me the slave of Allah and His Messenger." said by Prophet Mohammed, peace an blessings be upon him.

"The proof of a Muslim's sincerity is that he payeth no heed to that which is not his business".

"Almsgiving is a duty unto you. Alms should be taken from the rich and returned to the poor".
"To every young person who honoureth the old, on account of their age, may God appoint those who shall honour him in his years".


These are some of Islam teachings if interested in more please let me know I'll be here for you.




(All these quotations from the Holy Quran and Prophet Mohammed sayings are merely translations for the Arabic texts) thank you all.

[Amra]

Islam:

Main pillars of Islam:

1. Faith

-consists of:
a) belief in One God
b) belief that Prophet Mohammed is His last Messenger
c) belief in the holy Books revealed by God to His Prophets
d) belief in the angels
e)belief in the Judgment Day
f) and the belief that everything that happens, happens with God's will and God's permission

2. Prayer
-obligatory prayer 5 times a day that is very ritualized and performed in a very specific way; has to contain certain elements to make it valid such as specific washing and cleanening of your body before the prayer, turning your face towards Kaa'ba while praying, prostrations and other specific movements

The purpose of the prayer is to keep your connection to God. Muslims believe that because the prayer is spread out throught the day, it protects a person from sin, since you are always close to God and in rememberance in Him. Also, prayer is a way to thank God for everything He gives us, and to give us perspective of what is important in life, and how we should live each day.

3. Charity

Muslims are required to give charity in the form of Zekaat. Zekaat means purity, and by giving charity from the money we acquire, we purify that money from different things, such as interest, or the possibility that the money was not earned justly.. (slacking at work, not being a hard, consciencious worker..etc.) The percentage of zakaat is regulated, and usually you are required to give 2% of your yearly savings. The money is given to the poor, charity organizations, mosques, or for other good causes and institutions; whatever the scholars decide to be acceptable. Distribution of wealth is a very important concept, and it is highly encouraged to give money to the poor, because Allah s.v.t says that those who have money and wealth are tested with it. Muslims are not to believe that the money they have is theirs, but that it belongs to God, and that we HAVE to give it to those who are less fortunate, as we are responsible of them.

4. Pilgrimage

Muslims are required to visit Ka'ba once in their lifetime, if they are financially able to do so. Kaa'ba is the first mosque built by Abraham a.s and his son Ismail, and it is the holiest place in Islam. When going to Kaa'ba, muslims perform very specific rituals, and it is considered to be the turning point in their lives. Before they go to hajj (pilgrimage), they MUST return all the debt they have to everyone, they should ask forgiveness of all people they believe to have hurt, or if they have argued with someone for whatever reason. It is as if they are saying goodbye to this world, and answering God's call. This dates back to the time when Kaa'ba was restored to be the place of worship for muslims. After it was completed one person by the name of Bilal (who was a black slave before he accepted Islam) climbed on top of Kaa'ba and called people to the prayer. So, when people visit Kaa'ba, they circle it and recite the words "Lebbeyke Allah", which means: I am answering your call Allah". Muslims dress in very simple white clothes (the same clothes that a person is wrapped in as he/she dies), and in that way they show unity before God. We often judge people by what they wear, in this symbolic way, we abolish those prejudices. If the person's hajj is accepted by Allah, we believe that the person comes back free of sin, as if he were just born.

5. Fasting

The fifth pillar of Islam is the required fast during the month of Ramadan. Ramadan is the month in which the revelation of the Qur'an has began. It is the holiest month, and the month which should be used for prayer, fasting, and spending time with the family. During the month, the fasting is observed from the time the sun rises until the time the sun goes down. After that, muslims gather with their families to break the fast, pray, and remember God. The 27th night of Ramadan is known as the NIght of Power. During that night, the first verses of the Qur'an were revealed. It is believed that in that night, God is closest to people, and that he forgives sins in that night more than in any other night. Because of that, many muslims spend the whole night in prayer asking for forgiveness and guidance.

[falling*moon]

Thank you very much, Miss Tenderness ..

Thank you Amra, you remind me.. as for the Muslim Prayer, do you need to go to the Mosque as we go to church ?? or you can pray at any time or place ??


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i wish other members partispate with us here .. is it only for Muslims to speake ???

i am not an expert in religious matters or i would add somthing!

Green Lady, please..

and Miss Rachel , are you there ?

[falling*moon]

O.. another Question..

About the Muslim priests.. are they alowed to get married and have family ? :p i mean.. like other people ?

[Amra]

as for the Muslim Prayer, do you need to go to the Mosque as we go to church ?? or you can pray at any time or place ??

It is better if you are able to go to the mosque as much as possible and prayer with other muslims together, as that strengthens your ties, but you can also pray anywhere else. The times are very specified, and you should try to adhere to those. If something prevents you from praying at the time specified, you need to make up the prayer as soon as possible.

The only obligatory prayer at the mosque is the jummah prayer that is held every Friday. All muslim men are required to attend that prayer, in which the leading imam (priest) holds a lecture, and then everyone prays. Women are not required to attend that, but they usually do.


About the Muslim priests.. are they alowed to get married and have family ? i mean.. like other people

Yes. Marriage is highly encouraged in Islam, and imams (priests) marry just like other people. :nod:

Prophet Mohammed a.s said: " "I pray and I
sleep; I fast and I break my fast; and I marry women. Whoever turns
away from my way of life is not from me." (Bukhari)

[Mililalil XXIV]

We Christians and Jews abhore polygamy.
Even those Patriarchs that practiced it as recorded in Genesis were used as examples of the evil it sows.
Before the Flood, all godly men that had the modern impulse to pick arbitrarily any woman that is his "type", rather than marry only the one from GOD, ceased to be a son of `ELOHIYM, and was relegated to the nephilim (the fallen ones). For their sin, their nearly thousand year lifespans were shortened to what we have today under the best conditions (some still do live to 120). They were immediately at odds with the HOLY SPIRIT when they saw females in general as desirable, as opposed to each his own rightful woman as alone to desire. Their spirituality was now nothing.
Their lust led to a social imbalance, that led to the Flood.
The only four men allowed into the Ark of Salvation were monogamists. (To those that died in the Flood, all guilty of attrocities, CHRIST preached in Sheol before HIS Resurrection).
Abraham had to wait another 14 years after Hagar bore him Ishmael. He and Sarah had grown old with an expectation on which all their Faith rested still not fulfilled. He was beyond the years of sexual enjoyment, and only in despair, seeing his wife going crazy with ideas to fool herself that what they believed would be achieved one way or another, he heeded the desparate suggestion of his partner in this burden of faith-related anxiety, and slept once with Hagar, who bore Ishmael, who still was not his promised firstborn. Only that by his one true wife could be his own son in every way. The mother was always considered the rightful parent, so Ishamel was truly accounted to Hagar, and left with his mother.
After a term of 14 years' spiritual purification, Abraham was told he now could, as walking rightly before GOD, have the promise fulfilled. And of all things, he and Sarah truly recieved this promise by Faith, after a term of no longer waivering in Faith.
Isaac, this promised son, never was with any but his beloved Rebecca.
Isaac's son, Jacob, served seven years for his one love, then was given, under controlled circumstances, the elder sister on the Wedding night. This would give any faithful courter of seven years a nervous breakdown. For a few years he had children by four women. Then he stopped sleeping with all but her alone whom he had originally wanted for his only wife.
He served Laban altogether 20 years. Seven as a virgin, six as a polygamist (by the fourteenth year sleeping only with Rachel), and seven more as a faithful husband to Rachel alone, while caring materially for the other three women, making 14 years of service to Laban without the gross guilt of polygamy.
His son Joseph, the first of two born in his days no longer involved with any but Rachel physically, was always like the reformed father he had grown up knowing, and fled fornication while a sad captive, then served in bondage in Egypt 14 years, then married happily his own rightful woman, Asenath, daughter of the priest of On.
The pattern of 14 years obviously serves as a thread against the series of marriage-related themes to convey a coninuous unfolding of monogamy.
As JESUS said, in the beginning a man was made to have but one woman alone.
In the Torah of Moses, more than one wife was never allowed simultaneously. Having two wives referred strictly to remarriage. A widower might still have living children from the deceased wife, and so there were laws covering their treatment.
Abraham married Keturah after Sarah's death.
King David had a biblically short life of only 80 years. He never knew Peace in his life after taking a second wife. He also never slept with a wife again after taking another. He committed many sins which he later repented of, and wouldn't take any more wives after a certain point. What he did was prohibited by the Law of Moses :"A king shall not multiply wives". He is an example, like the penitant malefactor on the cross beside JESUS, of GOD's Mercy on one whose heart cannot hold out against HIM forever in sin.
When GOD speaks of giving women into David's care, HE is not speaking of even one of David's wives, but of Saul's wives with whom David never did sleep at all. They are but part of a list of all that had been Saul's, being handed over to him as he now took Saul's high place. The whole point is that he, after recieving Saul's whole place in this world, becoming a king thereby, was pathetic to look upon the only treasure of his soldier - Bathsheba - and deprive a good private citizen of his own rightful lot.
Solomon, the moment he began to multiply wives, was already an apostate, who also went through other phases in his life (such as self-denial), and later repented and lamented all he had done amiss.
None of the worst Israelites or Patriarchs ever married a mere girl in years.
Polygamy cannot enjoy True Love, and we find this all throughout Judaism and Christianity.

[Doctor Boogaloo]

Atheism: Contempt for mumbo-jumbo.
Adherence to the scientific method.
Enjoy the here and now.
When you're dead, you're dead.

[Amra]

Mililalil XXIV,

It is absurd how you make claims that have absolutely nothing to do with the teachings of the Bible. There were MANY incidents in the Bible referring to polygamy, and it was not condemned in any way. Abraham a.s had two wives at the same time, Hagar and Sarah, and he as a Prophet of God. HOw can you claim that after becoming a Prophet, he needed more purification to actually get a son???? Ismail was his first born son; even if you do not accept Hager as his first wife, his first son was still Ismail. What does it matter who the wife is; a man becomes a father when a woman bears HIS son, and he doesn't chose which to name the first son and which the second. That is kind of determined by the order the sons are born. :nod:

Here are verses from the Bible stating exactly opposite of what you are speaking.


Deu 21:17If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated, and they have born him children, the beloved and the hated; and [if] the firstborn son be hers that was hated:

Deu 21:16 [B]Then it shall be, when he maketh his sons to inherit [that] which he hath, [that] he may not make the son of the beloved firstborn before the son of the hated, [which is indeed] the firstborn

Clearly, the son who was born first, is the firstborn, regardless of who the mother is. If Christians only accepted the Bible as it is, we'd certainly had a more common ground than we do now.

Another thing..I guess you started talking about polygamy because of the hadith I stated in which Prophet a.s said: "I pray and I
sleep; I fast and I break my fast; and I marry women. Whoever turns
away from my way of life is not from me." (Bukhari) , however, even though polygamy is allowed in Islam, this hadith had nothing to do with that. The Prophet a.s simply stated that he lives a regular, balanced life, and that this is the way of Islam. He lived most of his life with his first wife Khatidje r.a until her death. After that he married he lived in polygamous marriages, and married a lot of widowers and poor women to give them protection. Also, the women of the Prophet a.s are known for the imortance of teaching Islam to other women and giving a lot of insight into the marriage life of muslims through hadiths that were narrated by them wich are of great importance to today's women. Islam allows polygamy, but it is not obligatory, nor is it very prevelant in the muslim world today. However, we do not try to corrupt our scriptures simply because it doesn't fit the social norms of the society we live in today. You chose that path, but my fear of punishment for changing God's word surpasses my wish to please the ever changing social norms and standards.

[Mililalil XXIV]

Mililalil XXIV,

It is absurd how you make claims that have absolutely nothing to do with the teachings of the Bible. There were MANY incidents in the Bible referring to polygamy, and it was not condemned in any way. Abraham a.s had two wives at the same time, Hagar and Sarah, and he as a Prophet of God. HOw can you claim that after becoming a Prophet, he needed more purification to actually get a son???? Ismail was his first born son; even if you do not accept Hager as his first wife, his first son was still Ismail. What does it matter who the wife is; a man becomes a father when a woman bears HIS son, and he doesn't chose which to name the first son and which the second. That is kind of determined by the order the sons are born. :nod:

Here are verses from the Bible stating exactly opposite of what you are speaking.


Deu 21:17If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated, and they have born him children, the beloved and the hated; and [if] the firstborn son be hers that was hated:

Deu 21:16 [B]Then it shall be, when he maketh his sons to inherit [that] which he hath, [that] he may not make the son of the beloved firstborn before the son of the hated, [which is indeed] the firstborn

Clearly, the son who was born first, is the firstborn, regardless of who the mother is. If Christians only accepted the Bible as it is, we'd certainly had a more common ground than we do now.

Another thing..I guess you started talking about polygamy because of the hadith I stated in which Prophet a.s said: "I pray and I
sleep; I fast and I break my fast; and I marry women. Whoever turns
away from my way of life is not from me." (Bukhari) , however, even though polygamy is allowed in Islam, this hadith had nothing to do with that. The Prophet a.s simply stated that he lives a regular, balanced life, and that this is the way of Islam. He lived most of his life with his first wife Khatidje r.a until her death. After that he married he lived in polygamous marriages, and married a lot of widowers and poor women to give them protection. Also, the women of the Prophet a.s are known for the imortance of teaching Islam to other women and giving a lot of insight into the marriage life of muslims through hadiths that were narrated by them wich are of great importance to today's women. Islam allows polygamy, but it is not obligatory, nor is it very prevelant in the muslim world today. However, we do not try to corrupt our scriptures simply because it doesn't fit the social norms of the society we live in today. You chose that path, but my fear of punishment for changing God's word surpasses my wish to please the ever changing social norms and standards.
In fact, your reply is what's absurd.
You have just ignored the fact that GOD did not bless Abraham at the time of the pathetic Hagar incident. He in fact had 14 more years to wait after that for the only promised son. Nothing you ranted about changes one yodh of this.
The thing about a loved wife and an unloved wife in no way mentions two wives living at the same time, nor does any relevant tradition agree with your silly idea (really! defending polygamy with all that is within you!).
It merely says that if one wife was hated, but the other loved, of the resulting children, the true firstborn alone must be treated as such, regardless of which of the two women had been his mother. End of story. If you don't like it, it sure doesn't hurt Judeo-Christian monogamy any.
As for your outright (perhaps unintentional) lie that there are vast examples of polygamy in the Bible, I covered most of them (few as those examples number), and most of what remains to be covered involves ungodly people from the beginning of their entry into the Bible narrative, straight through to the last they are mentioned.
Hagar was not a legitimate wife, but played a part in what Abraham tried desparately to make work for his wife's despair. Any one that lives in a decent society acknowledges that real people have real emotions to deal with. The reality of the Genesis narrative is often obvious in the extreme reactions of emotional disturbance that those narrated about have in situations that would have stressed any one at all. You are ignoring the psychology of the persons in the Narratives.
According to Judeo-Christian Tradition that goes back to Abraham himself, Isaac was his firstborn legitimately. Since Hagar was not rightfully his at all, GOD made Abraham to expect his heir through his rightful wife, Sarah, and, in the case of a child concieved by a woman impregnated by other than the one man she should have married (in accordance with Destiny and True Love), GOD does not keep the woman in bondage to the man, nor break the tender bond of child-bearer and child. HE understands that is a cruelty.
And I hardly feel sorry for Muhammad for his previous endurance of monogamy. Anyways, he was her servant - she wouldn't have allowed herself to be one among others. Polygamy is always a lustful, dirty, selfish, raping sort of a thing (because, unless a woman be treated as sacred, and as the only woman on earth in a husband's eyes, her virginity is lost to that guy in vain - which is no small thing in GOD's Eyes).
From the time that satan was cursed, while a Prophecy of the Woman and her SEED were uttered by GOD, he despised that sex, and demons have possessed men to violate their dignity and Sanctity ever since.

[Amra]

Since Hagar was not rightfully his at all,

are you calling the Prophet Abraham an adulterer?

[Scheherazade]

Please do not resort to personal attacks while discussing religious texts and respect others' religious beliefs. If you are unable to do so, please feel free ignore this section of the Forum.

[Theshizznigg]

The division between Moslems, and Hebrews is and interesting thing, and yet what was it that was said to the founder of the Arab people.

"He shall be a wild man; his hands shall be against every man, and every man's hands shall be against him. And he shall dwell in the presence of all his bretheren."
Gen 16:12

As for the factor of religous ideals, I believe that the bible is the ultimate book in times of need, since all sincere problems of humanity are found within it, and all the answers therewith are contained.

"God, go with me, lest I fall down befor your glory."

[Amra]

As for the factor of religous ideals, I believe that the bible is the ultimate book in times of need, since all sincere problems of humanity are found within it, and all the answers therewith are contained.

And I believe the same of the holy Qur'an. :nod:

[falling*moon]

Shalom I say too !

sorry am late....


we are not fighting over simple things such as : Polygamy!!
If the wife agrees ..it’s her business .. who cares ??

((We Christians and Jews abhore polygamy))

I heard about one of the Northern States in America where every man is raised to marry more than 10 wives !!!!!! It was reported on Oprah Shaw long time ago…maybe not all those women agree…but that issue DO exist every where… so please return to the subject..


“( because, unless a woman be treated as sacred, and as the only woman on earth in a husband's eyes, her virginity is lost to that guy in vain - which is no small thing in GOD's Eyes). “

I Really Really loved that ..!!!!! but do we REALLY act upon it ??

Mililalil XXIV , who cares for Isaac being the firstborn or not…?? Please let’s not fight over simple things .. why do not you tell me about the teachings of Judeo-Christian ??

It is against Polygamy.. ok.. what else ??


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I love it when you talk Theshizznigg , I mean every time not just here… but please tell me..

((the founder of the Arab people)) did you mean as Christians , Muslems and Jews altogether ??
coz not all Arabs are Muslems you know…



Miss tenderness and Amra told us about the teaching in their religion and they were VERY clear..

would someone please volunteer and tell us about other things instead of finding faults in others ?

[miss tenderness]

thx fallin,that's what we really want..

our purpose is to creat a healthy environment for discussions not to fight.

[Stanislaw]

In christianity it is believed that God exist in a perfect trinity, three seperat beings, but not seperate, like a three leafed clover, it only has one leaf in fact, but the three sections are seperate.

the trinity of christianity consists of: God the father, Jesus Christ the son of God, and The Holy Spirit also termed the breath of God, all three are different, yet are all God.

another fact about christianity:

Christianity teaches tolerence of all humanity, and that those who are followeres of christianity are more accountable ofr their sins, than those who were not taught christian ideals, so it is possible for all, with the granting of God's grace, to attain rebirth at death. Mind you not rebirth in the samsaric sense, but rebirth into the kingdom of God.