speech

[Moiz]

hello people. hope ur doing well . i am an o level student and i ve got this speech competition ahead and the topic is " stolen waters are sweet and bread eaten in secret is plkeasent". i know all about the religious aspect and stuff but i want my speech to be different and humorous. please help. thans. it would be better idf you emial it to my address.

[Moiz]

hello people my name is moiz from pakistan. i am an o level student and one of the best at school. i hope this site and you all will help me in literary stuff. tc

[Pensive]

Hi Moiz, welcome to the forum!

I have not understood that what do you mean? Do you mean that you have to write a debate on the topic that you have mentioned above and you need help on how to write it?

[Moiz]

that is exactly what i have to do. the first round is a debate followed by an extempore

[Pensive]

Actually, I think in every writing, if you want to make it better, you should follow these rules:

Topic - You should understand the topic very well and what does the topic mean.
Validity - Everything you write or all the information that you have provided should be true, not that if Lahore has a population of 1 million people and you say that it is 4 million.
Grammer, Vocabulary and Spelling - These three things are also important for your writing. You should re-check what you have written atleast two times.

I hope that it will help a little. (lol, these are the rules that I have made for myself)

Well, Best Of Luck!

[Moiz]

thanks alot but i need a little insight of yours on the topic.

[papayahed]

thanks alot but i need a little insight of yours on the topic.

What have you come up with so far? Maybe if you tell us what your thinking we can give ideas.

[Moiz]

well as far as i researched on the topic : stolen waters are sweet, and bread eaten in secret is pleasent", i learned that it is a quotation from the bible which actuaally means that satan lures man to secret sin and man readily accepts for he thinks nobody will know and thus he falls among sinners with his sins mounting day by day. now i could talk about the religious aspect and take in how the world and especially the youth of today is sinning and how satann is trying to deviate us. but that line would be too monotous for an audience. now i really wanna go on adding a little humor to the topic coz frankly stolen waters are sweet, take for example the first time you shoplifted. theres sumthin funny about getting away with it. on the other hand i could also talk about issues tabooed in the society like rapes and gangs. but i dont feel satisfied with the research or the ideas i hav for the topic. so do you guys hav any ideas and can help me.

[Pensive]

The meaning I have assumed is very much different. Its your own choice that which one you follow. (but, you might be scolded by the audience)

It is like: If one does not have much money, that person steal it from someone else. It is called struggle for existence. You know that bread and water are necessary for human's life and if you are going to die from hunger or thurst, in my opinion, there is no harm in stealing water from a person who already has it and eating your bread alone without sharing it with your neighbours or friends.


People say it easily that stealing is bad, eating alone (without letting your neighbours share it) is sin but have you considered that from sequences are those people going through...I am not saying that you should not let anyone share your bread, it is great but in my opinion, if you are dying from hunger and stealing water or bread from a rich person or from the person who already has it is not a sin.

Yes, stolen waters are sweet because they are letting you live and sharing bread with no one else is also pleasant because it is preventing you from dying.

Look, there are many conditions but in the other case, if you have money and still you are wanting more and more and stealing it from others, it is really bad.

Moin, look, Religon also says that in certain cases, Prayer is not compulsary, like that, Stealing and Eating alone in certain cases are also allowed.

Maybe I have been on negative side but you asked for opinion and that is what I have given. (perhaps I am being very serious and have not added a single humourous thing)

[Moiz]

you know what dude your idea is great. youve given me sumthing to think about. thanks a bunch and just in case i am "moiz" not moin.

[papayahed]

What comes to mind when I hear the phrase is taking a day off work and doing something fun. Stealing a day from the normal to do something different is very sweet.

I don't take the eating bread alone literally, perhaps being in your own world - away from the every day.

For example I skip work to attend baseball games occasionally, somehow the hot dogs and beer taste better on those days, it's a pleasure knowing things are going on at work and I'm not there.

[Moiz]

listen guys this is a draft of what i wanna say:
an ammended and modified versio of pensives thoughts

“They're stealing 20 pair of jeans or they're stealing television sets. Who cares if they're not going to go too far with it? Maybe some of the people who do that they're so poor they've never touched anything in their lives. Let them touch those things for once.” Friends do not get me wrong. This is a quote by Celine Dion and I agree with her to a certain extent, but not completely.

In this era of globalization and progress, the poor have been trapped in such a vicious poverty cycle that it is impossible for them to get out of it. Look at the number of people starving to death in various parts of the country; it really is a sorry state. And if it indeed is a time where the rich get richer and the poor poorer then we the “contended class” are responsible for the disorder. How many of us share even one-tenth of what we have with the poor and needy? And when the poor don’t have enough money to feed themselves or their families, they obviously opt for stealing and crimes or become self-fish of what they do have. But what else can they do. This is called struggle for existence in the modern world, where everyone is fighting for survival.

We all know that bread and water is vital for human survival and if you’re going to die of hunger and thirst, in my opinion, there is no harm in stealing or eating your bread alone without sharing it with your neighbors or friends, but only from those who are rich and have it.
People easily say that stealing and not sharing is a grievous sin, but just for one moment think about those who are hanging between life and death and that one crumb of bread or one drop of water would help them give a new life. And think about people like us who are unwilling to share with them and are selfish ourselves force them to steal from us, is it a sin on their part or ours? Yes stolen waters are sweet and bread eaten secretly is pleasant or should be pleasant only if it is preventing them from dying.

Many people would argue that religion does not allow such practice. But my question is does religion allow us the hoarding of wealth? And is it not true if a man is dying of thirst, even wine is allowed for the believer. And then shouldn’t stealing for a man dying of hunger be acceptable.
However, I do not mean that stealing is acceptable for anyone or everyone. It indeed is hideous sin to steal or hoard for those who have been blessed with enough wealth by god. Stealing because of desires for more or merely peer pressure is unacceptable. I would end by quoting Shakespear as he said:
“He that is robbed, not wanting what is stol'n,
Let him not know't, and he's not robbed at all”
give me you comments. what do you think about it?

[EAP]

Please, please, please DO NOT quote Shake-fricking-peare at the end.

It's even more cliched than 'Ehsas-e-biyan agarchay mera shauk nahi, shaid kay teray dill main uttar jayay meri baat.'

[Moiz]

lolz. do you find it cliched?
actually i quoted shakespeare foe the first time in a speech, he seems to be relevanr for the first time. hmmm let me see..........should i remove it or not

[Moiz]

this is my view of the topic:

“They're stealing 20 pair of jeans or they're stealing television sets. Who cares if they're not going to go too far with it? Maybe some of the people who do that they're so poor they've never touched anything in their lives. Let them touch those things for once.” Friends do not get me wrong. This is a quote by Celine Dion and I agree with her to a certain extent, but not completely.

In this era of globalization and progress, the poor have been trapped in such a vicious poverty cycle that it is impossible for them to get out of it. Look at the number of people starving to death in various parts of the country; it really is a sorry state. And if it indeed is a time where the rich get richer and the poor poorer then we the “contended class” are responsible for the disorder. How many of us share even one-tenth of what we have with the poor and needy? And when the poor don’t have enough money to feed themselves or their families, they obviously opt for stealing and crimes or become self-fish of what they do have. But what else can they do. This is called struggle for existence in the modern world, where everyone is fighting for survival.

We all know that bread and water is vital for human survival and if you’re going to die of hunger and thirst, in my opinion, there is no harm in stealing or eating your bread alone without sharing it with your neighbors or friends, but only from those who are rich and have it.
People easily say that stealing and not sharing is a grievous sin, but just for one moment think about those who are hanging between life and death and that one crumb of bread or one drop of water would help them give a new life. And think about people like us who are unwilling to share with them and are selfish ourselves force them to steal from us, is it a sin on their part or ours? Yes stolen waters are sweet and bread eaten secretly is pleasant or should be pleasant only if it is preventing them from dying.

Many people would argue that religion does not allow such practice. But my question is does religion allow us the hoarding of wealth? And is it not true if a man is dying of thirst, even wine is allowed for the believer. And then shouldn’t stealing for a man dying of hunger be acceptable.
However, I do not mean that stealing is acceptable for anyone or everyone. It indeed is hideous sin to steal or hoard for those who have been blessed with enough wealth by god. Stealing because of desires for more or merely peer pressure is unacceptable. I quote Shakespear as he said:
“He that is robbed, not wanting what is stol'n,
Let him not know't, and he's not robbed at all”

give me you comments. what do you think about it?

[Logos]

Moiz, it would be easier for people trying to help you if you contain all your posts regarding this in +one+ topic and one area of the forums.

[Moiz]

sorry actually id onno why i cant really see the threads i ve started on other forums and its annoying

[Scheherazade]

Moiz, the threads with the same posts are usually deleted on the Forum. As Logos suggested, it is a good idea to keep one thread for the same subject.

As for your speech, to me the topic is more about 'sin/temptation is sweet; body is weak' kind so what you have written, although nicely put, did not cover the topic properly in my eyes.

[Moiz]

so can you post a new thread only on one forum coz i posted the same stuff on general literature

[Logos]

so can you post a new thread only on one forum coz i posted the same stuff on general literature

I closed the post you made on the same subject in the Literature area as there were no replies yet and yes, multiple posting of the same topic in the same or different areas of the forums can be a tad annoying.

And, like I said if you keep it to one area it is easier for people to give you feedback :)


http://www.online-literature.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15626

[EAP]

^

Yes.

When it comes to wooly one-liners, a literal interpretation is almost always the wrong approach.

Consider the thrill of smoking your first cigarette joint; buying the first pack from the money handed over to you for groceries. Speeding, overloading, drawing obscene graffiti on school desks and bathroom walls - vandalism in all forms is against the law yet most people seem to derive an overwhelming pleasure out of such acts.

An even more appropriate (and in Pakistani context, deeply ironic) example would be the attitude towards prositution and cheating on your significant other. But of course, as a Pakistani teenager you are expected (read: demanded) to remain entirely ignorant of any, and all, such things - specially when it comes to intra-school debates. :)

[Moiz]

everythig you said was help ful but as far as discussing tabooed issues like prostitutions and stuff, we are encouraged to discuss. competitions are a forum where people can talk their heart out and discuss all suchj issues and therefore their is no objection on anytyhing like that.