julia

[studentn]

julia supposibly felt the same about everything as winston did. how do we know that she wasn't apart of the thought police. yeah she did get punched in the stomach & she did have a scar after they talked in the park but all of those things could have been acted out. she could have been the one to have helped set up winston the whole time, she could have been lieing about everything. was there anything else in the book i didn't catch to have proven julia was or was not apart of the set up the whole time?

[youstolemyname]

There is not evidence that julia was or was not part of the plot the whole time. but it does say that they where watching him for years which was long before julia came around. im not sure what that means because she was with countless men and she isnt with them now so does that mean she turned them in.i dont know i guess it could go both ways :banana:

[Stanislaw]

The way it is written, gets the author to second guess each of the characters and their motives/alliences. In a way orwell causes the reader to think like a party member, in that they are not really sure what motivates the other characters and if they can actually trust them.

[mangamagna]

I am led to believe that Julia did not know, when Winston sees her again, she is not of the same physical appearance as before, she seems to have aged and given up all hope. Also, she slept with him, even though that was a crime.

[PadreMellyrn]

to the book (I have it on an audible player), and reading it more than 5 times in the last year, you pick up on the whole of the intent. No one actually escapes the tortures and the brain washing in Winstons time. Anyone who is not a 'goodthinker' or "orthadox" will eventually be removed, as the party's sole purpose is not to teach, but to supress any kind of Freethinking.

If you pay close attention to what she says, she makes it very clear that she went through some form of torture, including her own stint in room 101.

'Sometimes,' she said,'they threaten you with something -- something you can't stand up to, can't even think about. And then you say, "Don't do it to me, do it to somebody else, do it to So-and-so." And perhaps you might pretend, afterwards, that it was only a trick and that you just said it to make them stop and didn't really mean it. But that isn't true. At the time when it happens you do mean it. You think there's no other way of saving yourself, and you're quite ready to save yourself that way. You want it to happen to the other person. You don't give a damn what they suffer. All you care about is yourself.'

'All you care about is yourself,' he echoed.

The author is showing that he and she understand each other; they have suffered through the same thing, but they were not drawn together, they were torn apart. It is not stated outright, it is simply inferred, and from what you you know of winston and O'brian, there is no doubt they made her suffer.

[Reaper_ofall]

I am led to believe that Julia did not know, when Winston sees her again, she is not of the same physical appearance as before, she seems to have aged and given up all hope. Also, she slept with him, even though that was a crime.

That is exactly right. Also, you may notice, every truth becomes obvious at the end of the book, and her not coming out makes it apperent that she was not part of it.