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suumy
01-13-2006, 03:19 PM
Hi,I am a new member in the forum and the literature world as well
Besides I’m not native .
When I entered the forum while I was searching I feel quit good
And I got sure they are helping each other. so, I little greedy with your generosity to help me
Poetry is what I am going to ask about, because I have a lot of difficulties in it ; which make me depressed in all of my study.
I have a final exam in literary forms soon and I wish you help to identify some figure of speech with these three poems specially simile, metaphor, personification, paradox, irony, metonymy, hyperbole.
I look for ward to helping me friends and I am grateful in advance.

The first one
1. Full many a glorious morning have I seen
2. Flatter the mountain tops with sovereign eye,
3. Kissing with golden face the meadows green,
4. Gilding pale streams with heavenly alchemy;
5. Anon permit the basest clouds to ride
6. With ugly rack on his celestial face,
7. And from the forlorn world his visage hide,
8. Stealing unseen to west with this disgrace:
9. Even so my sun one early morn did shine,
10. With all triumphant splendour on my brow;
11. But out, alack, he was but one hour mine,
12. The region cloud hath mask'd him from me now.
13. Yet him for this my love no whit disdaineth;
14. Suns of the world may stain when heaven's sun staineth

The second
1. When to the sessions of sweet silent thought
2. I summon up remembrance of things past,
3. I sigh the lack of many a thing I sought,
4. And with old woes new wail my dear time's waste:
5. Then can I drown an eye, unused to flow,
6. For precious friends hid in death's dateless night,
7. And weep afresh love's long since cancelled woe,
8. And moan the expense of many a vanished sight:
9. Then can I grieve at grievances foregone,
10. And heavily from woe to woe tell o'er
11. The sad account of fore-bemoaned moan,
12. Which I new pay as if not paid before.
13. But if the while I think on thee, dear friend,
14. All losses are restor'd and sorrows end.

The last one


BUSY old fool, unruly Sun,
Why dost thou thus,
Through windows, and through curtains, call on us ?
Must to thy motions lovers' seasons run ?
Saucy pedantic wretch, go chide
Late school-boys and sour prentices,
Go tell court-huntsmen that the king will ride,
Call country ants to harvest offices ;
Love, all alike, no season knows nor clime,
Nor hours, days, months, which are the rags of time.

Thy beams so reverend, and strong
Why shouldst thou think ?
I could eclipse and cloud them with a wink,
But that I would not lose her sight so long.
If her eyes have not blinded thine,
Look, and to-morrow late tell me,
Whether both th' Indias of spice and mine
Be where thou left'st them, or lie here with me.
Ask for those kings whom thou saw'st yesterday,
And thou shalt hear, "All here in one bed lay."

She's all states, and all princes I ;
Nothing else is ;
Princes do but play us ; compared to this,
All honour's mimic, all wealth alchemy.
Thou, Sun, art half as happy as we,
In that the world's contracted thus ;
Thine age asks ease, and since thy duties be
To warm the world, that's done in warming us.
Shine here to us, and thou art everywhere ;
This bed thy center is, these walls thy sphere

After everything else, Is Shakespeare’s sonnets has titles or just sonnet one sonnet two etc.Thanks

IrishCanadian
01-14-2006, 01:20 AM
Welcom Suumy!
I wont give away the answeres to you as they are in these specific poems. But a "simile" is a comparison that uses set up words (like, as, ... conjuctions usually). A "metaphor" is a similar comparison except it has no set up. "Personification" is use of an adjective or verb that only applies to humans on a non-human noun, or less specifically --an animal's trait given to an object. "Paradox" is a juxtaposition of two or more dissimilar things --it usually makes a statement or brings the two together in an unexpected fasion. Paradoxes are often "Ironic." I can't think of how to describe it ... but i did know when i wrote a similar exam. And the other two i have frankly forgotten. I'm sorry.
But i look forward to talking to you more on this forum. Good luck.
oh and ... those are excelent excelent poems!

suumy
01-16-2006, 10:20 AM
Dear IrishCanadaian I was so happy :banana: when I saw your reply, you gave me hope; you was very polite and I liked you much.
You've done your best to help me but you know I'm confused between metaphor and personification, isn’t personification kind of metaphor??
I really appreciate your help for me IrishCanadaian and wish you best in your life
And if my language gets standard I will be a good member.
Thanks

Petrarch's Love
01-16-2006, 01:37 PM
Hi Suumy,

I thought I might pick up where Irish Canadian left off. First, as to the difference between metaphor and personification. Yes, personification can sometimes be a kind of metaphor, but personification is very specific and always means attributing human qualities to either an object or an animal. Examples can range from the obvious, like a cat wearing boots, to a slightly more subtle line like "the wind sighed." The word literally means "making like a person" and you can see that it starts with the word "person" which makes it easy to remember. A metaphor is a much broader term.

As for the two terms Irish Canadian left off, hyperbole and metonymy, hyperbole means an extreeme exaggeration--think of it as "hyped up." Metonymy means the use of a certain term to replace something closely related to it. One example might be in the saying "You can't fight city hall." What this means to say is you can't fight the government. "City hall" is standing in for government.

Hope this helps.

P.S. Yes, Shakespeare's sonnets have no titles and are referred to by their number.

suumy
01-18-2006, 03:50 PM
Hi Petrarch's love ,
I was glad to know you :wave: . You’re a very generous friend and thank you for answering the other questions which I’ve benefited from; it was really kind of you :nod: . Now let me discuss something in the ''sun rising'' poem according to your explanation. Just tell me if I'm wrong or not :Call country ants to harvest offices ;(metaphor or not?)
I could eclipse and cloud them with a wink,(Can I say hyperbole?)
If her eyes have not blinded thine,(hyperbole also?)
Whether both th' Indias of spice and mine(metonymy?)

I owe you Petrarch’s love and hope us to be good friends.Thank you

Petrarch's Love
01-21-2006, 03:47 AM
Yes, the examples you've given seem to be correct. If you're writing on this poem it may be helpful to address its most notable extended metaphor (that is a metaphor which continues throughout a whole poem or through a large part of it). Hint: think carefully about the final line and what he is comparing his room to. It's key to understanding the poem as a whole. Tell me if you're puzzled by this.