MetalWingedWolf
01-12-2006, 10:51 PM
I was charging the battery of my mp3 player in the school library and decided to search up 1984 on google as its my favourite book, period, as of.. what maybe ... a month ago? It's my english assignment and I was just looking for any excuse, well I found this place and saw recent forum posts, with plenty of questions.. so from what i saw, I opened a word file and wrote paragraphs in my thoughts on answers to each question I saw, including someone asking of school work.. well, anyway this is what I got down. I'm a great fan of this work and the brilliance behind it has captured my focus, please, ask more so I can have more to think on. Here goes;
First off, proles, the proles are fools and big brother IS watching them. He has units of his thought police roaming as was made obvious by Mr. Charrington being a part of the organization, it says clearly in the book that the Thought Police watched the prole too, but not as closely, none were smart enough to organize the lot, any that may have been or actually were would be killed or vaporized. So the proles were left ignorant and useless, thus big brother has them handled completely.
Ignore the link between the book and faranheit 9/11 it appears in a lot more places then just there, the pure logic behind the book is seen everywhere in smaller doses, Orwell realised ones plan and wrote it into a book, leaders around the world are aware this could work, but the important part is that everyone should know this (meaning civilians), otherwise only the intelligent will have power with these same methods and we ourselves will be the helpless proles
Technically the war area wasn’t a question, but had you lived in that world, as a member of the party you would either use doublethink perfectly so it wouldn’t matter, you’d be too much of a zealot to think anything against them, even if shown perfect logic. If you were a prole, you wouldn’t care, if you did though you’d be killed by the Thought Police. Those in the party who think before listening are vaporized into perfect citizens
The novel.. 1984 is relevant…. Otherwise it would be an opinion on how to sum the book into a very small number of words… up to you there.. think something poetic up and you’ll get by trust me. An initial incident could be him buying the diary, unlikely though, the love note from Julia is the most likely answer. It starts the two of them getting together and that starts a lot of rebellion in them… Climax would be… either when Winston betrayed his soul to fear in wishing Julia to be condemned or when they were caught. *eye roll* no duh it has influence, if it were Winston betraying Julia then it would also represent Winston betraying his own heart to the power of the party, thus completely annihilating every last bit of personal progress he’d made in being an individual set against the party. 5 is easy 6 is various anyway, think power, control and insanity and you can figure some out. The narrator.. would be irrelevant, not a member of society as he has no opinion or reflections. It might as well be any well spoken individual aware of Winstons life, or maybe just a report on the dealings of Winston smith from a party member showing too much creativity.
v.v….. the ministry of love is supposed to be horrible, Big Brother is the most absolute powerful entity, actually the party would be but he’s a figurehead I directed focus on.. The entire intent of this place is to destroy every last piece of a person, until they can be turned into a good party member, the ministry of love is a human recycling centre saving the lives of party members so they may be of further use as long as they are required to be.
As for the journal, the very fact he thinks against the party is condemning him. Thus the pen and paper aren’t required to kill him, nor the diary, he only writes it so his thoughts can escape him and be left whole and solid somewhere, essentially though he wrote it for O’Brien. His connection to him brought him to write all that he was too unsure to directly say to him, it’s not directed to O’Brien directly but for him to read it is his intent almost, which O'Brien obviously does.
How is simple, they don’t need to fight anyone to be all powerful, they may indeed not be fighting although they may say so. All they need is for the people to want protection and to be aware of “a great evil” threatening life. So they rely on Big brother to save them, everything that goes wrong can be directed elsewhere, where as when there is peace there can be no individual to place blame on but big brother, war makes the government strong and the people weak, that’s why its everlasting, their target is meaningless, the fact that they can say otherwise and the people will follow is practically a ploy for thought criminals to show themselves, it’s rather effective as Winston can show. In all honesty it could easily all be made into a giant lie and still work anyway, none can find proof and even with it it could do nothing to the party, they are all powerful in literal sense of it.
There, please, I'll be searching this place through whenever im left with the time but I just have to talk on it ^.^ It's too good, anyone up for a good debate I'd be absolutly thrilled ^.^
as its my first post
I'm Shawn , grd 11 Barrie ontario look the username up and you'll find me everywhere :P
First off, proles, the proles are fools and big brother IS watching them. He has units of his thought police roaming as was made obvious by Mr. Charrington being a part of the organization, it says clearly in the book that the Thought Police watched the prole too, but not as closely, none were smart enough to organize the lot, any that may have been or actually were would be killed or vaporized. So the proles were left ignorant and useless, thus big brother has them handled completely.
Ignore the link between the book and faranheit 9/11 it appears in a lot more places then just there, the pure logic behind the book is seen everywhere in smaller doses, Orwell realised ones plan and wrote it into a book, leaders around the world are aware this could work, but the important part is that everyone should know this (meaning civilians), otherwise only the intelligent will have power with these same methods and we ourselves will be the helpless proles
Technically the war area wasn’t a question, but had you lived in that world, as a member of the party you would either use doublethink perfectly so it wouldn’t matter, you’d be too much of a zealot to think anything against them, even if shown perfect logic. If you were a prole, you wouldn’t care, if you did though you’d be killed by the Thought Police. Those in the party who think before listening are vaporized into perfect citizens
The novel.. 1984 is relevant…. Otherwise it would be an opinion on how to sum the book into a very small number of words… up to you there.. think something poetic up and you’ll get by trust me. An initial incident could be him buying the diary, unlikely though, the love note from Julia is the most likely answer. It starts the two of them getting together and that starts a lot of rebellion in them… Climax would be… either when Winston betrayed his soul to fear in wishing Julia to be condemned or when they were caught. *eye roll* no duh it has influence, if it were Winston betraying Julia then it would also represent Winston betraying his own heart to the power of the party, thus completely annihilating every last bit of personal progress he’d made in being an individual set against the party. 5 is easy 6 is various anyway, think power, control and insanity and you can figure some out. The narrator.. would be irrelevant, not a member of society as he has no opinion or reflections. It might as well be any well spoken individual aware of Winstons life, or maybe just a report on the dealings of Winston smith from a party member showing too much creativity.
v.v….. the ministry of love is supposed to be horrible, Big Brother is the most absolute powerful entity, actually the party would be but he’s a figurehead I directed focus on.. The entire intent of this place is to destroy every last piece of a person, until they can be turned into a good party member, the ministry of love is a human recycling centre saving the lives of party members so they may be of further use as long as they are required to be.
As for the journal, the very fact he thinks against the party is condemning him. Thus the pen and paper aren’t required to kill him, nor the diary, he only writes it so his thoughts can escape him and be left whole and solid somewhere, essentially though he wrote it for O’Brien. His connection to him brought him to write all that he was too unsure to directly say to him, it’s not directed to O’Brien directly but for him to read it is his intent almost, which O'Brien obviously does.
How is simple, they don’t need to fight anyone to be all powerful, they may indeed not be fighting although they may say so. All they need is for the people to want protection and to be aware of “a great evil” threatening life. So they rely on Big brother to save them, everything that goes wrong can be directed elsewhere, where as when there is peace there can be no individual to place blame on but big brother, war makes the government strong and the people weak, that’s why its everlasting, their target is meaningless, the fact that they can say otherwise and the people will follow is practically a ploy for thought criminals to show themselves, it’s rather effective as Winston can show. In all honesty it could easily all be made into a giant lie and still work anyway, none can find proof and even with it it could do nothing to the party, they are all powerful in literal sense of it.
There, please, I'll be searching this place through whenever im left with the time but I just have to talk on it ^.^ It's too good, anyone up for a good debate I'd be absolutly thrilled ^.^
as its my first post
I'm Shawn , grd 11 Barrie ontario look the username up and you'll find me everywhere :P