hope?

[tigercheer05]

I've just read the part where Julia and Winston get captured. I'm a little puzzled though about what everything means. I don't get why the "walls" (telescreen) keep repeating everything Winston says. Is it suppose to mean something or is it just the way Orwell wrote the novel? Also throughout the book its shown alot of foreshadowing about the captivity, and what i don't get is that if they've known they were going to get caught all along, why didn't they just commit suicide in the first place? Was it just the hope that kept them going?

[gilthas]

You obviously haven't been looking at this book in great detail have you? You ask the question of where is the hope, and why did they just keep going. I have an answer for both of them.

1: There is no hope in this book. Orwell meant for it to be an illustration of the farthest left you can go. When a government controls everything, there usually isn't much hope in the picture.

2: Winston and Julia are fatally flawed. Both are ready to rebel against the inner party, which is a good thing, but both have a single error that prevents them from accomplishing this goal. Winston is willing to put his trust in someone who he knows nothing about, which is a bad move. during the Stalin regime, you trusted no one; because anyone could be a member of the KGB, upon which the Thought Police is based. Winston is wiling to trust O'Brien, who, as you likely know, is a member of the inner party, because Winston, like other idealists, has to see the best in people. Julia is flawed because she trusts winston.
Bad move by both.
Did that straighten things out? If not, please reply ASAp, and i'll give you more info.
Cheers,
Gilthas,

[Zumba]

The reason Winston is repeated is becasue as Gilthas stated, there was never any hope to begin with. The second reason is the person is mocking Winston. and im not sure about you but i hate being mocked so i coudl see why its done. Remember, the whole purpose of the ThoughPolice is to stop rebellion in any form, and im pretty sure there going to make life as miserable as possible for Rebels

[gilthas]

thanks.

I love having people agree with me.

[nascarfan29]

the reason why they are being copied is because the telescreen is basiclly telling them that they have been caught and that they had been being watched to whole time.Also its to show the reader that in this book your not safe anywhere and you never know who is a friend or who is your rival. Also they didn't kill themselves because them having a "relationship" gave them some hope that the gov't can be rebeled against.Also their "relationship" wasn't really a "love" thing it was just rebeling against the gov't. :banana:

[EmeryGirl625]

i'm not exactly sure what the meaning of the telescreen repeating is...i seriously dont think there is a specific reason. the whole reason that winston and julia dont kill themselves is because the hope of not getting caught even though they know they will. more so, seeing how far they can go before it all goes crazy! kinda in any situation...i mean come on you are or was a kid once...uk that you know that it cant last forever, and that you will get caught, and get punished...but u still hold onto the whole "well maybe i wont" "if i'm careful enough....this could work!" its pretty much the same thing. their hope is keeping themselves together for the rebellion of the government, and for the hope that maybe they wont get caught!

[Xamonas Chegwe]

I agree with nas about the repeating of the words. But I believe that it is done more to sow the seed of doubt than to actually say, "We know everything!" up front.

Winston is played like a fish; given tastes of freedom and then pulled back in again. In this way he lets himself hope. Without this hope and the ultimate discovery that it is fruitless, his final despair - and the breaking of his spirit - would be less complete.

[Pat]

"Winston is played like a fish; given tastes of freedom and then pulled back in again. In this way he lets himself hope. Without this hope and the ultimate discovery that it is fruitless, his final despair - and the breaking of his spirit - would be less complete." This is what Chegwe said, it's completely right.

Most of you are partially right about the other things. To say that there is no hope in this book is incorrect. Winston is a philanthropist and hopes for future generations, some proof of this being his journal writing.

The telescreen mocks him because mocking is flat disrespect,it is dehumanizing. This serves as part of the one of the overall themes of dehumanization in 1984 and also fits the character of B.B., when 'he' is finally met first hand. It could also be argued that it is a type of thematic foreshadowing to all the dehumanizing acts that are to come to him in the ministry of love.

[gilthas]

I'm fully aware of that. however, Orwell intended for there to be no hope for the present-day characters in that book

[Teacher]

Phay...I also agree with what people already have said there was no hope to begin with. Winston and Julia say all throughout the book that there going to get caught its just a matter of time before they actually did get caught and betrayed by O'brien. They were being watched the whole time in the apartment with the telescreen and with the diary. They knew there was no way they were not going to get caught.

[throw pop tarts]

You obviously haven't been looking at this book in great detail have you? You ask the question of where is the hope, and why did they just keep going. I have an answer for both of them.

1: There is no hope in this book. Orwell meant for it to be an illustration of the farthest left you can go. When a government controls everything, there usually isn't much hope in the picture.

2: Winston and Julia are fatally flawed. Both are ready to rebel against the inner party, which is a good thing, but both have a single error that prevents them from accomplishing this goal. Winston is willing to put his trust in someone who he knows nothing about, which is a bad move. during the Stalin regime, you trusted no one; because anyone could be a member of the KGB, upon which the Thought Police is based. Winston is wiling to trust O'Brien, who, as you likely know, is a member of the inner party, because Winston, like other idealists, has to see the best in people. Julia is flawed because she trusts winston.
Bad move by both.
Did that straighten things out? If not, please reply ASAp, and i'll give you more info.
Cheers,
Gilthas,


this book is only about hope! the reason julia and winston go to o'brien is because they HOPE he feels the same way the reason that he actually goes to meet her agian is hoping that she really loves him....and yeah it is also about seeing how far u can go because they keep foreshadowing there death and knowing they are going to get caught...so they continue to see eachother. So i have to say this book is mostly illustrated in hope :nod: