Julia

[lil_bugalu]

In the novel Winston meets with Julia. Winston tells Julia that at first when he meet her he was disgusted at her and he wanted to rape her and kill her. Then she laughs about it. What kind of sick humor do they see in it. I can't understand why anyone would find something like that funny.

[wolverinewanaBE]

i don't know if she actually thinks it is funny but it might have been an awkward moment and some people laugh to take the tensity off of an awkward moment, so she just laughed to make it less awkward. but i kind of agree with you that it is wierd! :goof:



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[starrwriter]

In the novel Winston meets with Julia. Winston tells Julia that at first when he meet her he was disgusted at her and he wanted to rape her and kill her. Then she laughs about it. What kind of sick humor do they see in it. I can't understand why anyone would find something like that funny.
I think it reflected Orwell's personal feelings toward women, which was rather strange. He felt smothered by intimacy. I can't recall if this was autobiographical, but he once wrote about a man who impregnated his girlfriend and experienced a sense of disgust, as if he was tied to her by the foetus and both of them were (metaphorically) dragging it around between them. Not exactly a happy father-to-be.

[SnowAngel51]

I think Winston tells her so its out in the open and he doesnt think about it all the time when he sees her because he doesnt feel the same then he did then. He wanted her to know. i agree with wolverinewanaBE for why Julia laughs i think she was suprised to hear it but she probably is greatful in the long run that he did go ahead and tell her Plus at least he was honest. :cool:

[tigercheer05]

This is not about any type of sick humor. The fact that Winston wanted to kill Julia was sort of out of fear. He thought she might of been a spy and was going to turn him in, but when they started talking to eachother he realized he was wrong about her. She was not with the Thought Police, but instead shared his similar thoughts about Big Brother. I think the reason they joked about him wanting to kill her was because of how close they had gotten over the past few months. To go from wanting to kill her to wanting to never be apart from her was kind of ironic. This action changed the way i thought about the novel, and it only gets better as you read.

[imprudentica]

It seems like the Party's brainwashing tactics caused Winston to become a Misognyst, at least toward some women. It seems his hatred for her was triggered by fear, but also simply loathing due to her Anti-Sex League sash that she wore. Winston hated that Julia was a sexy, young girl who was declaring that she wouldn't give "it" up for anyone. It seems to be a sentiment some men have toward women today; men that use woemn only for sex, and view pornography that depicts women as contemptible, sex-slaves. - Just a thought.

[hopefulcynic]

In the novel Winston meets with Julia. Winston tells Julia that at first when he meet her he was disgusted at her and he wanted to rape her and kill her. Then she laughs about it. What kind of sick humor do they see in it. I can't understand why anyone would find something like that funny.

I think there's two possibilities. First, could it be that Julia was pleased to know that Winston was considering some kind of rebellion against the party, even if it involved herself being raped? After all, Julia practically admitted early on that she herself was so promiscuous because she wanted to rebel against the party. Maybe she was happy to discover that Winston felt similarly.

Secondly, Julia may have realized that Winston thought she was an agent of the thought police. If that had been true, Winston's desire to rape and then kill her would have been entirely understandable. Once they had been together for a while, they both realized how silly (in retrospect only) Winston's view of Julia really was. She understood that he no longer felt that way, so it was easy for her to forgive him, and even laugh about the whole affair.

Just my $.02.