accuracy?

[lil_bugalu]

The novel 1984 by George Orwell is a very well written and detailed novel. The predictions that Orwell has made are unbelievably accurate. It was actually my english teacher who had pointed out the accuracy of the predictions, Orwell has made. Before then I never realized that we really are being watched almost everywhere we go. You go to a store of anykind, most likely theres a camera watching you from somewhere wether you see it or not. It angers me to see the lack of trust that our own kind has for us :rage: . Unlike Winston however hopefully most of you have more than a small space where you're not under servailence.

I have to end my post now, but I hope to see other people's opinions on this post. Bye all, and I look forward to reading your opinions.

lil_bugalu :banana:

[Darlin]

Hi, lil_bugalu. I haven't read this book, never had a desire really but since I just finished Animal Farm which I enjoyed and everyone's always talking about it perhaps I will. Well, welcome to the forum. :wave:

[Virgil]

1984 is a great work, one of the true great works of English Lit of this century. I think you exaggerate a bit. We're not watched everywhere or even most places. The novel was based on the Soviet Union, and thank God they have met their demise.

[dynoport]

I agree bugalu George Orwell was very accurate with his predictions.Every where you go you are being watched.At most stores and public places there are usually allways security cameras watching your every move.I think you and you english teacher hit the nail on the head.

[1948-1984]

I believe that there is a rule to the extent of our being watched. You must realize, Orwell was particularly interested in Soviet past. And he predicted this future off of the past of Russia. It is true we are being surveilenced, however think of how harsh it is over theere. :thumbs_up

[studentn]

it is true, we are being watched everywhere, if its a camera or if its just someone. even at our houses because we're being watched by our parents or our little brothers or sisters are always trying to invade our privacy. thankfully, i have places where i can be alone and i know no one will watch me. aka my room bc i lock my door. haha. it's really like we can't ever be trusted which is ridiculous bc not all people know us & how we are, how do they know we will all try & steal something? they don't. so therefore i think it sometimes is an invasion of privacy.

[Teacher]

I have not yet read the entire book, however Orwell's opions on life are extremely accurate. I see it as if he were almost a future teller. Although he doesn't specificly come right out and say thats how the future is going to be, he wrote the book in 1948 when people weren't using cameras the way they do now. lil_bugalu, my only spot now a days is my bedroom to be private and unwatched and thats not a hole lot of space.

[starrwriter]

it is true, we are being watched everywhere, if its a camera or if its just someone. even at our houses because we're being watched by our parents or our little brothers or sisters are always trying to invade our privacy. thankfully, i have places where i can be alone and i know no one will watch me. aka my room bc i lock my door. haha. it's really like we can't ever be trusted which is ridiculous bc not all people know us & how we are, how do they know we will all try & steal something? they don't. so therefore i think it sometimes is an invasion of privacy.
It's remarkable how personal privacy is valued so highly by westerners (particularly northern Europeans and their cultural descendents throughout the world.)

This not true in other cultures. D. H. Lawrence, who spent a lot of time in Italy, noted that Italians of his day were not nearly as protective of their privacy as his native British, whom he ridiculed for this attitude. Another example: in the Philippines, the desire for solitude and privacy is widely considered signs of mental illness. I have found the same attitude among some Hawaiians, who are prone to view all matters strictly in terms of ohana (family) rights and responsibilities.

[Shea]

I agree that the prediction that we are watched more than ever are accurate, but I don't agree that we are utterly controlled by it the way Orwell depicted. I like the protection and/or justice serveillance cameras give. Look at what happened with Carlie Brusha (sp?) The guy that kidnapped, raped, and murdered her would likely never have been caught if it hadden't been for that camera. If there were other clues leading to him, it would've taken longer to find him (if at all) leaving him free to attack someone else.

If you always do the right thing, you shouldn't have a problem. I don't feel like I live in a 1984 society.

[starrwriter]

If you always do the right thing, you shouldn't have a problem. I don't feel like I live in a 1984 society.
No one ALWAYS does the right thing. We all break minor rules and do certain things in private we wouldn't want other people to witness.

[imprudentica]

Yes, I agree. The point is not whether one feels they live in a society like that right now. The issue is: Where is the world heading? It's true that cameras and surveillance can be very helpful ensuring security and fighting terrorism. The question is how to balance the freedoms we cherish against intrusion by these security measures.

The fact is, there are possibly over a billion people on Earth that live, at least to a small extent, under strikingly similar conditions to those depicted in the book. The more intrusive and widespread government surveillance becomes, the higher the threat that power could be abused.

[rachel]

I have watched a couple of documentaries about England and how in certain places they have cameras installed just everywhere and can watch just everyone. That doesn't bother me at all. I never think of it.
It is the reason behind it I suppose that does matter. If it is to glean information about us that would aid others to harm us or take what is ours or put us in jail just because we are different then that is terrible.None of that. But if it is because so many of the population steal or are violent downtown for instance after a visit to the pub and are hurting the innocent or perhaps workplace stealing and poor hygiene and such well I have no problem with that.
I like the Hawaiian way of family in that what you do does matter and you do have to answer to mama , kuku and the like.It, the family then becomes rather like a small nation with its own peculiar rules of conduct and consequences for violation.
My daughter has always since about five thought that absolutely nothing she does is the smallest jot my business and that my only business is to be there for her twenty four seven and help her however needed. my eldest son is half way to that and my youngest son believes that unless you are up to something truly shameful what is the problem about the family knowing and such. It is quite difficult at times trying to please the other two but I have never spied or checked up on them. Just tried to teach th em right from wrong and then throw up when they really blew it.
The Russian thing though that was life or death. the government wanted everyone and anyone that was not under their thumb in the physical or mental to be dealt with and spying and surveillance was the way to go. nyet to that.I should have sent those two to live with Tutu in Hawaii she would have straightened th em out in no time. They wouldn't have needed big brother, just one large wahine with a slap that could move the Chrysler building. just kidding.

[rachel]

I have watched a couple of documentaries about England and how in certain places they have cameras installed just everywhere and can watch just everyone. That doesn't bother me at all. I never think of it.
It is the reason behind it I suppose that does matter. If it is to glean information about us that would aid others to harm us or take what is ours or put us in jail just because we are different then that is terrible.None of that. But if it is because so many of the population steal or are violent downtown for instance after a visit to the pub and are hurting the innocent or perhaps workplace stealing and poor hygiene and such well I have no problem with that.
I like the Hawaiian way of family in that what you do does matter and you do have to answer to mama , kuku and the like.It, the family then becomes rather like a small nation with its own peculiar rules of conduct and consequences for violation.
My daughter has always since about five thought that absolutely nothing she does is the smallest jot my business and that my only business is to be there for her twenty four seven and help her however needed. my eldest son is half way to that and my youngest son believes that unless you are up to something truly shameful what is the problem about the family knowing and such. It is quite difficult at times trying to please the other two but I have never spied or checked up on them. Just tried to teach th em right from wrong and then throw up when they really blew it.
The Russian thing though that was life or death. the government wanted everyone and anyone that was not under their thumb in the physical or mental to be dealt with and spying and surveillance was the way to go. nyet to that.I should have sent those two children to live with Tutu in Hawaii she would have straightened th em out in no time. They wouldn't have needed big brother, just one large wahine with a slap that could move the Chrysler building. just kidding.
Do we all do things in private we wouldn't want others to see Starr, hmm, are you sure we ALL do that or are you just hoping so you can feel better. And now I have a whole new area of your life to ponder about. fascinating.

[starrwriter]

I like the Hawaiian way of family in that what you do does matter and you do have to answer to mama , kuku and the like.It, the family then becomes rather like a small nation with its own peculiar rules of conduct and consequences for violation ... I should have sent those two to live with Tutu in Hawaii she would have straightened th em out in no time. They wouldn't have needed big brother, just one large wahine with a slap that could move the Chrysler building.
I got a real kick out of your observations. How do you know so much about the Hawaiian ohana (family) system? You hit the nail right on the head. Hawaiians are more afraid of Tutu than the biggest cop they ever saw. I think it goes back to the fact that old Hawaii had queen rulers as well as king rulers.

[rachel]

Starr, Starr(wasn't that the name of a movie about a hard headed man who travelled from Kiev to Siberia(for calling people pineapple head and nimrod) and ended up in Minsk?-
I think i mentioned one time that I was nanny for a Chinese Hawaiian man called Thomas Ah Yee. He looked just like Sidney Poitier and was refined, slightly pompous and very amusing. His wife was Swedish-Norwegian and hated his culture and I think him. I guess meeting and marrying someone on your vacation to the big Island after a huge pork dinner and a lot of kaluha isn't the best thing.
They had three ADD children called Chance Hilton Reeves, Damien Julian Kaalihi, and babySheldon Shane Kioni.
I had to learn todance in the traditional Hawaiian manner, learn some language and make all the things he loved to eat. He was scarey about his rice and bonito(rice had to be just the right stickiness and the bonito partially frozen and sliced paper thin)
He used to fire walk and made me and others play monopoly after our dance lessons for weeks on end, the same game and he expected us to give up and let him win.
One year he said with great excitement and a lot of fear that his mother was flying into town and all had to be perfect. I was to call her tutu or kuku and i learn to speak properly , learn to honor king kamahamaha, learn to make poi( i still feel like I will throw up or die if i even think about it.) we had to stock up on beer and dried salted shrimp and shrimp cookies and strange rice noodles that puff up to ginormous size when you drop them in hot oil.
Tutu was a tour guide and had something to do with the island of Moloki
The day she came was like a tornado of glorious color hitting the quiet suburbs of Nelson b c just across the bridge at six mile.
She shouted aloha so loud my hair moved back about six inches. she wore a blazing holaku that could serve as Eddie's tent and awning .she was a very generously built wahini
I adored her and she loved me.She went out in her bare feet one night when it snowed and made Tommy, an orderly who had to be up super early, get up and come and throw snowballs. he didn't dare say no and even grouchy Bev forced a smile and joined in. that or be knocked into the nearest cement wall. she would have ended Bev's life is she found out how mean Bev was to her 'tom tom.'
that is how I know.
alohhhhhhhhhhha!

[starrwriter]

Starr, Starr (wasn't that the name of a movie about a hard headed man who travelled from Kiev to Siberia (for calling people pineapple head and nimrod) and ended up in Minsk?
I've never been to Minsk, but I once fed a wild mink in Alaska. Does that count?

Pineapple head is a term of endearment in Hawaii. Would I lie to you?

Interesting story about Tutu. I have known many like her since I moved to the islands long ago. In the Philippines there is a saying that "women are the best men." I think it's true in Hawaii as well.

[rachel]

Yes it does count. I love Alaska. I thought that wild mink were quite vicious but I suppose just one of your looks would cause one to whimper and fall silent. Would you lie, I don't know, probably not unless there was a good reason.
What a great saying. Tutu was really awesome. Reminds me of quote from Rick of Casablanca to his smart mouth secretary "You're a good man sister."

[starrwriter]

I thought that wild mink were quite vicious but I suppose just one of your looks would cause one to whimper and fall silent.
It's killing me, but I wouldn't touch that with a ten-foot pole for fear of being censored by the moderator. What I wanted to say in reply I will leave to your imagination. Hint: think smutty.

[rachel]

I don't think smutty never have and never will. so I will just think about Alaska.
I am beginning to wonder if you weren't a little brat as a child and perhaps ran away and joined the navy at six or thereabouts.
and anyway;

I AM TELLING TUTU ON YOU SO YOU HAD BETTER RUN BOY RUN.

[starrwriter]

I am beginning to wonder if you weren't a little brat as a child and perhaps ran away and joined the navy at six or thereabouts.
My mother always told people I was perfect when I was a child -- a perfect little brat. I was an only child, you see. No brothers or sisters to torture, just dear old Mom.

The Navy is for wimps. I went in the Air Force when I was nearly 25.