Sin

[bhekti]

Let's talk about sin.
What do you think sin is?

I think sin is the condition of being deprived from the truth, that is, God. Or, is it the cause of that condition? What if I don't believe in any god, can I sin? :confused: Mmmh.... Let's discuss it

[Psycheinaboat]

There are certain acts I consider a sin, but I really only hold myself to that standard.

Something I have always wondered about sin is why God would make us so imperfect and then punish us for those imperfections. I know many Christians beleive sin is the fault of Eve & Adam disobeying God, but wouldn't an omnipotent being know his creation was going to disobey. Why didn't He make us different if He wanted a different result?

Perhaps we are supposed to learn from our mistakes; this would make more sense to me than the idea that the Creator is going to toss us into a lake of fire for our mistakes.

[Ancestor]

Awe a good subject here and one that I may get carried away with but if that happens feel free to slap my hand. I am someone who does not believe in sin as written down by man. If you give a human being free will then you know that the human being is not going to walk a straight and narrow path. On the other hand believing in evil does make me living a double standard I guess. Guess it boils down to whether you believe you sinned or were just being human. I am just human who makes mistakes that she tries to learn from. Some people would not even understand forgiving a man who raped you. I did just that very thing and for a selfish reason which really was the right thing for me to do.

[Pendragon]

I really think that rather than talk of what I might consider sin and run the risk of seeming judgmental, I am going to just quote St. Paul, from Romans 14:22 "Hast thou faith? Have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth." And that is sage advice. God bless. :angel:

[Dailen]

In my opinion....
Anything you do that hurts another, is Sin.

[subterranean]

In such case, sin is as inapplicable as heaven/hell/god


What if I don't believe in any god, can I sin? :confused: Mmmh.... Let's discuss it

[bhekti]

In such case, sin is as inapplicable as heaven/hell/god

Are you saying that the reality of sin depends on whether or not one believes in God? (Please correct me, if im wrong)

[bhekti]

I really think that rather than talk of what I might consider sin and run the risk of seeming judgmental, I am going to just quote St. Paul, from Romans 14:22 "Hast thou faith? Have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth." And that is sage advice. God bless. :angel:

God bless you too :nod:

[PerAnnum]

Sin is knowing something is wrong, yet doing it anyway. Everything good is from God... yes everything. But then, you may ask, what about all those pleasurable things that preachers preach against? God created pleasure, but satan can twist that and use it for evil. Screwtape Letters gives a nice little insite on this. I've heard people say, "What about money, isn't that the root of all evil?" No, the love of money is the root of all evil.
Anyway... sin is disobeying the will of the Father. We may not always understand it... I know I don't.



There are certain acts I consider a sin, but I really only hold myself to that standard.

Something I have always wondered about sin is why God would make us so imperfect and then punish us for those imperfections. I know many Christians beleive sin is the fault of Eve & Adam disobeying God, but wouldn't an omnipotent being know his creation was going to disobey. Why didn't He make us different if He wanted a different result?

Perhaps we are supposed to learn from our mistakes; this would make more sense to me than the idea that the Creator is going to toss us into a lake of fire for our mistakes.

God made us with a free will. I've often wondered why God even put the tree in the garden?? But He had to, to give them a free will. The wonderful thing about being a human being, made in His image, is the fact that we don't HAVE to serve Him. I know... here I am, a Christian, saying that it's wonderful that I don't HAVE to serve God. But that's one of the reasons I so WANT to, and that's what makes Him so happy. That's why we are able to make mistakes, and sin, and fall.... but just because we make a mistake, that's not why people go to hell... it's becuase they wouldn't serve Him.

[subterranean]

Who created the concept at the first place?

Since the era of cavemen, I think men already considered punishments as the price of their bad deeds to higher being. That's why the concept of offerings also exist since long time ago, to please gods, ask their forgiveness, ask mercy and prosperity.

If I'm an atheist, why would I bother..Wouldn't it be the same as asking whether the reality of heaven or hell depends on whether or not one believes in God? As I'm a theist, I suppose an atheist can help me out in this case.

Maybe we should first define the concept of "sin"...


Are you saying that the reality of sin depends on whether or not one believes in God? (Please correct me, if im wrong)

[bhekti]

If I'm an atheist, why would I bother..Wouldn't it be the same as asking whether the reality of heaven or hell depends on whether or not one believes in God? As I'm a theist, I suppose an atheist can help me out in this case.

Maybe we should first define the concept of "sin"...


Hello, atheists....?

[subterranean]

Bhekti, maybe you would like to share some knowledge?

[Pendragon]

Maybe we should first define the concept of "sin"...Here I go, again, hoping that I don't sound too preachy. I'm not here to force anyone to see things my way.

Sin: To know something is wrong and do it anyway (sins of commission)
To know you should do something and refuse to do it (sins of omission)

That's why I quoted the scripture that I did. Romans 14:22 "Hast thou faith? Have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth." :angel:

[bhekti]

Bhekti, maybe you would like to share some knowledge?

Sure! Mmmh.... well, sin is... or, let me put this way, we sin when we don't do something that we must do according to the way it can be truly done. And, that means we can never find ourselves sinless. Coz we always do something that we must not do, or don't do what we must do, or when we do it we don't do it the way it can be truly done. We are......just sinners.

[subterranean]

I'm not sure whether an atheist would call/consider him/her self as a sinner when he/she did something which he/she know was not suppose to be done. I'm guessing that he/she would say that he/she did something wrong/inappropriate, yet to consider it as a sin ....Well, somehow I doubt that.

[subterranean]

Thank you Pendragon. I surely have (and will continue to) learned alot from you :nod:


Here I go, again, hoping that I don't sound too preachy. I'm not here to force anyone to see things my way.

Sin: To know something is wrong and do it anyway (sins of commission)
To know you should do something and refuse to do it (sins of omission)

That's why I quoted the scripture that I did. Romans 14:22 "Hast thou faith? Have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth." :angel:

[Pendragon]

Thank you Pendragon. I surely have (and will continue to) learned alot from you :nod:Thanks, sub. I had to learn a lot of things the hard way before I learned how to share things and actually help instead of hinder people. And that comes from Above, not from me. I'm just a sinner saved by grace. God bless. :angel:

[MiSaNtHrOpE]

I find the idea of sin to be a huge display of hypocrisy.

Some religious people say "God has a plan," "God knows what we are going to do and its OK," and then retreat into hypocrisy by using the term "sin" and rail the "sinner." If she is a child or a woman, to beat or whip her (whipping is prevalent in the Middle Ages to 1800's, beating is prevalent in a lot of isolated, pious communities and in abusive homes). Abuse in the name of God based on a double standard. Religious authorities sure know how to play their cards right. The popes of the middle ages used to hire prostitutes and sometimes marry them, and I find that the child molestation by modern priests directly mirrors the behavior of the Popes of the middle ages. Sin? Who sins? Why, only the common folk (everyday believers) who are at the cold mercy of corrupt religious authorities!

[Pendragon]

Sin? Who sins? Why, only the common folk (everyday believers) who are at the cold mercy of corrupt religious authorities!
You may have noticed that I described myself as just "a sinner saved by grace." Yet, I am a Minister, have been since 1982, have been an Associate Pastor, an Evanglist, and a Pastor. None of this makes me one bit better than anyone else. Do I sin? Paul says "For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God!" That includes me! If I got up this morning and put my feet on the floor, I did, said, or thought something improper, for I am human, not a God. I have to ask forgiveness everyday, why should I think myself above another man or woman? No one is ever turned away from my door, nor do I change my sermon because of who walks in. If I believe that it's what God would have me say, then He knew who was coming. It's pathetic to deliberatly bate a person who has come to service by jumping on them just because they came in. Who am I to judge them? I am supposed to help not hinder. I'll close before I get to preaching on here, this is a discussion. God bless. :angel:

[Union Jack]

Sin only exists within the psyche of religion. Were one to exist without any concept whatsoever of God, or the difference between “good” and “evil.” Then Sin would not exist, one action would have the same “moral” repercussions as another.

Here is a conversation I had with a friend about this concept, excuse the poor spelling and grammar; we were both in a hurry to express our views…

[13:59] mallow marsh: what do you think sin is?
[14:00] the-fall (felix culpa): Sin only exists in the psyche of religion. Were one to exist without any concept whatsoever of God, or the difference between “good” and “evil.” Then Sin would not exist, one action would have the same “moral” repercussions as another.
[14:00] mallow marsh: i don't know i think even without religion there would still be 'good and bad'
[14:00] the-fall (felix culpa): how so?
[14:00] mallow marsh: because i think emotions are inane in a person
[14:00] the-fall (felix culpa): do emotions reflect the "goodness" of an action
[14:01] the-fall (felix culpa): why do you think things are good? And others bad?
[14:01] mallow marsh: people think things are bad because of how they feel about it
[14:01] the-fall (felix culpa): but u wouldn’t “feel” any different about "sin" than anything else, if u didn’t understand that it existed
[14:02] mallow marsh: well if people didn't call it sin they'd probably call it something else
[14:02] the-fall (felix culpa): how could u be sad at a "bad" thing if u didn’t know the difference between good or bad?
[14:02] mallow marsh: because bad stuff happens even if you don't know is bad
[14:02] the-fall (felix culpa): what if there was no good or bad?
[14:02] the-fall (felix culpa): good and bad or purely human concepts
[14:02] the-fall (felix culpa): they were invented by humans
[14:02] mallow marsh: but there is good and bad, just like there is like there is light and dark
[14:03] the-fall (felix culpa): you only consider things good or bad because you were raised in a world that accepted their existence

[ThatIndividual]

This is quite an easy one. There's no such thing as 'sin.' Ta-Da!!! No, no please... hold your applause. :lol:

[miss tenderness]

sin in my belief is to do something that God asked you not to do,in islam you might make sins but you can repent as you are alife -befor death,but if u sinned and died without repenting that goes to Allah's will ,if He forgives you or not.many sins our religion asks us not to make but the most sins that a person should be careful about is the rights of people
thank you an regards

[smilingtearz]

Sin, i think is something( in an action, a thought or words ) that is "un-godly"...or comes between ur "relation" with God and your fellow human beings...and in case u don't believe in God ...then its something that goes against what's "natural" and the "truth".

[ThatIndividual]

"If there is sin against life, it consists perhaps not so much in despairing of life as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this life."
--Albert Camus

Ahem... Amen, and AAAAAAAA-Men!

[Outlander]

Man-like is it to fall into sin,
Fiend-like is it to dwell therein,
Christ-like is it for sin to grieve,
God-like is it all sin to leave.

Friedrich von Logau

We are just men.
Sin is natural

When we are gone from this place, lets meet at the Disagreeables Club.
I"m sure we'll have even more to discuss of sin at that time.