Do You Believe In the paranormal and Did you ever experience supernatural Phenomena?

[Pendragon]

I tought I'd start this in light of something I read on the "soul" thread, and also in light of those who have posted a belief in "life after death". My vote is "not in the usual sense.", that is, not as the departed spirits of the dead. When my children reported seeing the "ghost" of a confederate soldier in our mobile home park, my reaction was "Yeah, right." Then one evening, I stepped out on the porch about sundown, turned to the East, and there he stood in the next yard over. You couldn't see him from the knees down, as if he were standing in tall grass. My explaination: He was in his time, I was in mine, and I somehow saw him. I could see his legs, begause he WAS standing in knee-high grass. Not a departed soul, just a time lapse. That probably sounds crazy too, but give me your ideas, OK? Dragon out.

[adilyoussef]

Me too I vote 'not in the usual sense.' Ghosts exist, but they are different from the way they are represented in the movies. This is an exagerated way to picture the paranormal. If you want more clear ideas about ghosts, look for African magic and paranormals. You'll be astonished with their perseption of those things. Ghosts are different creatures living their life seperatly from human's. You can evoke them and harm them, as they can do as well, by the means of magic. Leave them alone they will leave you alone. Look for them you get in troubles.

[Ancestor]

I voted yes because of some the experiences I have had all my life and if other people think I am crazy that is okay. I do not care what they thing about me because that does not matter to me. I can feel the Spirit energy along with the energy off the living too. I also do my best to find out if I am right or not by doing research after the experience. Plus I am the type to believe anything is possible. :)

[Themis]

I voted "I´m open-minded on the subject". I have never seen a ghost or anything like that but I think, it's possible that ghosts exist. I imagine - given ghosts do exist - that I would not be able to see them. .. Well, that overlaps my believe of "life after death" and would get too complicated, so I'll just stop here, for now.

[mono]

I voted for "open-minded on the subject" as well. Throughout my few years, I have experienced some odd occurrences, and know not what to think of them, but, as with many subjects, remain highly skeptic.

[papayahed]

I voted for "open-minded on the subject" as well. Throughout my few years, I have experienced some odd occurrences, and know not what to think of them, but, as with many subjects, remain highly skeptic.

As usual, I agree with Mono, I'm open minded on the subject. I've also had odd occurrences to totally discount ghosts or the paranormal - but then again there's always the very slim possibilty that it's all in my head.

[baddad]

NO to ghosts. NO to paranormal. But I've personally had experiences that I've attributed to senses we posess but do not readily acknowledge. We can feel in our gut when something seems 'not quite right', we hear our 'inner voice' direct us, and always ignore it at our own peril, but these unexplained senses are as 'voodoo' as I can go..........................and yes, the voices in my head are definately getting louder......now pass me the chicken bones and my lucky charms...........

[subterranean]

I always think there's something watching me from the corner in my bedroom; something which sometimes requires my attention and makes me wake up in the middle of the night and make me stay up till morning. So i choose open minded.

[okmit]

I voted yes.I think we are ghosts.I was in a fire fight in Nam in "68" and had an out of body experience.I wasn't freaking or anything but I found myself watching the battle in ecstacy.I seen myself get blown out of my right leg, and I got a severe case of the uglies,(when stuff that belongs inside is hanging outside.)In awe I thought;cool,you give up the ghost before you actually get whacked and you don't really go through all that pain!I couldn't hear anything but I seen myself wrenching an screaming.When I came to ,I was in a hospital ward,but thought I had been shown heaven and got sent to hell!No one could still be alive in this much pain!But I was back,body an ghost as one with years of hell to pay.

[subterranean]

Is spirit is the same with ghost? In my country, ghost is always define as unpeaceful spirit of people who died.

But I think that's an awesome experience Okmit..

[Ancestor]

Is spirit is the same with ghost? In my country, ghost is always define as unpeaceful spirit of people who died.

But I think that's an awesome experience Okmit..

Depends on whom you ask but for me personally there are only Spirits not ghosts. Spirits can be good or bad just like us folks that are alive. subterranean may I ask what country you are from? If that is a too personal then please do not answer I am merely curious.

[subterranean]

I'm from Indonesia :) :wave:

[okmit]

I believe ghost refers to the center of spiritual life,the soul when manifest in any form.
When the Holy Spirit appeared as tongues of fire,it was the Holy Ghost.
God as a burning bush,was the ghost of God.
Ghostwriter...a representitive
I believe the Spirit is the driving force that brings forth attributes of the Soul.
My Soul doth magnify the Lord,my Spirit rejoices in God my savior...Luke 1:46

An Imp,or Poltergeist is a mischievous ghost that makes noises and creates disorder.
A mild pain in the ***.Most likely the dude in the corner!

My exprience was awesome,I wouldn't trade it for the riches of the world,nor would I give a penney to repeat it!I think I may have an understanding of how Lazurus felt when he was resurrected...Drat,I'm going too have to go through the sting of death AGAIN?

[Pendragon]

I'm from Indonesia :) :wave:
Allow me to extend a wave in greeting from the USA to Indonesia and to any others who post from far away lands! :wave: :wave: :wave: From the Dragon

[Ancestor]

I'm from Indonesia :) :wave:

Wow, I hear that is a beautiful country. Thank you for answering me. :)

[subterranean]

Aww, thank you both..:wave: back to you ...

Ancestor, as I were saying in previous post, the such belief which many people in my country hold, that ghost is a manifestation of unpeaceful soul of dead person, is fully influence by cultural values. Even when they claimed to be religious people, In Indonesia, we have so many kinds of ghosts :rolleyes: ; each has its own "historical" backgrounds, and some of them have existed since very long time ago (since the time of kings).

[Ancestor]

My belief has many different kinds of manifestations and that spirit energy exists from all sorts because we are all sorts of people when we are alive. My faith is classified as new age but I have had some paranormal experiences also which were neat but slightly freaky at the same time. Thank you so much for showing me a small insight into your people you have opened my eyes to something new. :)

[Pendragon]

My belief has many different kinds of manifestations and that spirit energy exists from all sorts because we are all sorts of people when we are alive. My faith is classified as new age but I have had some paranormal experiences also which were neat but slightly freaky at the same time. Thank you so much for showing me a small insight into your people you have opened my eyes to something new. :) And that is why I started this discussion. To LEARN. When you have an experience you cannot explain, perhaps someone else has had a similiar experience that may shed light on your own-- provided you don't close your mind. Dragon out. :)

[okmit]

Ancestor,if you haven't already checked out Edgar Cayce I think you might enjoy his work.He too was able to provide intuitive insights.

[Nightshade]

Im not sure I havent voted. I guess I dont belive in ghost persay as dead people with unfinished buisness but I do belive in the exsistance of what Adil was talking about but not ghosys Jin or Djin if you want to spell it that way somthing else. and as for the dead? I dont know I think maybe the dead are wherever they are can see us but I dont think they are Here.
I have a feeling this post makes no sense at all :D

[mono]

Ancestor,if you haven't already checked out Edgar Cayce I think you might enjoy his work.He too was able to provide intuitive insights.
Edgar Cayce had some interesting work that seems bound to provoke a lot of controversial thought in any reader, and he has turned a lot of heads. Reading his work, he sometimes reminds me a modern Nostradamus combined with, a good friend of his, Aleister Crowley.
Even while reading his work, I still remain quite skeptic on the subject, but Cayce, as okmit suggests, will certainly get your ideas flowing on these types of subjects.

[Ancestor]

Ancestor,if you haven't already checked out Edgar Cayce I think you might enjoy his work.He too was able to provide intuitive insights.


Edgar Cayce had some interesting work that seems bound to provoke a lot of controversial thought in any reader, and he has turned a lot of heads. Reading his work, he sometimes reminds me a modern Nostradamus combined with, a good friend of his, Aleister Crowley.
Even while reading his work, I still remain quite skeptic on the subject, but Cayce, as okmit suggests, will certainly get your ideas flowing on these types of subjects.

Thanks okmit. :) It appears you have read Edgar Cayce and my parents talked about him when I was a kid. I have read some but not all and was there a specific book you had in mind. I would like to know because I am a very intuitive person who needs to learn how to use it better.

Mono anyone should be skeptic especially when dealing with paranormal events. So many people do try to take advantage of those people who are greiving. I am a skeptic until I have my own personal experience that I cannot find another answer to. So keep being skeptic until proven or disproven otherwise. :)

[okmit]

I think it best you select the genre that you feel coincides best with your gift for comparison only.I don't believe Cayce or anyone could or should teach you how to use your gift better.All good things come in time,and as your skill sharpens you decide how best to apply it.Cayce is an authority on his gifts,not yours.

[Ancestor]

I think it best you select the genre that you feel coincides best with your gift for comparison only.I don't believe Cayce or anyone could or should teach you how to use your gift better.All good things come in time,and as your skill sharpens you decide how best to apply it.Cayce is an authority on his gifts,not yours.

Thank you, no one has put it that way before and I do enjoy learning from others as well it can help me also. Thank you again for your good advice. :)

[Insomnia]

Nope

But I do believe that humans are not the only sane creatures on earth, there is a whole other world here... they can see us but we can't see them, but they have their life as we do have ours... they eat, drink, learn, etc.

There could be one of them right next to you

[Ancestor]

Nope

But I do believe that humans are not the only sane creatures on earth, there is a whole other world here... they can see us but we can't see them, but they have their life as we do have ours... they eat, drink, learn, etc.

There could be one of them right next to you

I do believe one can see those whom are deceased and that people should be more opened minded about life. I feel their energy and I do know when they are watching me but that does make me insane. What do you mean by sane creatures? Would you please clarify that for me? I am interested in hearing more about what you think on this subject.

[subterranean]

I don't know whether Imsonia was reffering to the Genies in the Islam. But few times I heard from my Muslims friends, that genies have similiar lifestyle as men. There are bad genies and there are good ones. They also married, have family, and intelligent as well. It is said that Allah created them. They can see human, but common people can't see them. And with certain methods, man can rule and "use" them as his wishes, like the one we see in the Aladin story.

[mono]

I don't know whether Imsonia was reffering to the Genies in the Islam. But few times I heard from my Muslims friends, that genies have similiar lifestyle as men. There are bad genies and there are good ones. They also married, have family, and intelligent as well. It is said that Allah created them. They can see human, but common people can't see them. And with certain methods, man can rule and "use" them as his wishes, like the one we see in the Aladin story.
This reminds me of the concept of having a 'sixth sense' (no, not the M. Night Shyamalan film), but the idea of having a separate sense from the five common senses (sight, touch, taste, smell, auditory), enabling people to have the 'keen intuition' of perceiving certain phenomena.
What do you all think of the sixth sense, if it indeed exists?

[papayahed]

This reminds me of the concept of having a 'sixth sense' (no, not the M. Night Shyamalan film), but the idea of having a separate sense from the five common senses (sight, touch, taste, smell, auditory), enabling people to have the 'keen intuition' of perceiving certain phenomena.
What do you all think of the sixth sense, if it indeed exists?

I think I may believe we have a sixth sense. I dunno, I'm confused on this subject. Ever since I can remember 95% of the time I know who's on the phone before I pick it up and now I know who the email is from when the little envelope appears on the bottom of my screen. I always assumed this was normal and only when I was a teenage did I find out that none of my friends could do this. The question is what is "this", is it sixth sense?

[okmit]

Only those that know...know,the rest are left to wonder.

[NewWorldOrder]

One day I met a guy in a professional meeting, he was a ceo of a firm and a former director in Microsoft. Someone told an esoetric joke, I laughed, he stared at me telling me that karma exists. And he told me the Race of Snakes would return (what's that I asked; well it's the nazis), and he asked me to read a book which supposedly describe a guy who has been visited by an spititual guardian and explained him a lot of things about Ghosts, the future etc. For example Ghosts would be people who would stay too much attached to earth for some reasons (like they have been assassinated and they look for revenge).

Well I'm a rationalist, since I never experiment such things, I have no reason to believe in writers who are writing for money or propaganda so I just report the book's story :D

[Ancestor]

One day I met a guy in a professional meeting, he was a ceo of a firm and a former director in Microsoft. Someone told an esoetric joke, I laughed, he stared at me telling me that karma exists. And he told me the Race of Snakes would return (what's that I asked; well it's the nazis), and he asked me to read a book which supposedly describe a guy who has been visited by an spititual guardian and explained him a lot of things about Ghosts, the future etc. For example Ghosts would be people who would stay too much attached to earth for some reasons (like they have been assassinated and they look for revenge).

Well I'm a rationalist, since I never experiment such things, I have no reason to believe in writers who are writing for money or propaganda so I just report the book's story :D

That is interesting and it seems to be a bit far fetched even for me who does believe in spirits. I feel the future is unwritten until it becomes the past and we are the writers of our own future. NewWorldOrder what made you pick that name? Just curious it reminds of the new Nazi's group but I do mean to imply you think that way, by all means I do not know how you think. I also feel everyone should be skeptic until proven otherwise. :)

[subterranean]

From the several interviews I watched on TV, psychic or paranormal often define their capability to predict the future or see mentald description of other people, as sixth sense. Some even said that everyone has sixth sense but not everyone capable to develop it; or some are actually gifted with sharper intuition compare to others in general.

I do think there are some people with higher sensitivy or mental awareness towards others and their surroundings; and this make them capable in seeing or hearing things that common people may taken for granted.

On the other hand, there are practices which can sharpen your common senses, like hearing, seeing, or tasting. A simple example, in one old show of "Only in America", I saw a man who work in a big ice cream company and his main (and only) task was to create new flavours of ice cream. His tounge was so sensitive to flavors, that he was able to differentiate tiny difference of ingredients of an ice cream flavor.



What do you all think of the sixth sense, if it indeed exists?

[Pendragon]

What do you all think of the sixth sense, if it indeed exists?
This is a little off topic, but I do believe in a sixth sense. Please don't ask me to try to explain it, as I really cannot. Besides, many would simply ridicule what I would have to say anyway. Ancestor, you will probably understand what I mean by auras. That's as far as I go. I am one Westerner who doesn't think all Oriential things just mumbo-jumbo however. Since I suffer from chronic illness, my Oriential Doctor taught me a principal of I Ching that I did not know (I've studied a lot of things!) to help me deal with stress. It works great! :)

[NewWorldOrder]

That is interesting and it seems to be a bit far fetched even for me who does believe in spirits.

I have no reason to believe in anything that Science hasn't demonstrated yet. It's out of the realm of science at the moment. I'm scientist that's the reason why I just wait for science to discover the truth: I won't go into sects or believe anything I read as fiction.


I feel the future is unwritten until it becomes the past and we are the writers of our own future.

This is rather a sociological belief than a scientific belief. People are endoctrined to believe for example that the schrödinger equation in quantum mechanics justifies this. In truth it is just one of subjective interpretation called the Copenhague interpretation which Schrödinger himself doesn't agree with. More and more scientists are discovering that Nature is fundamentally deterministic but appears to be random through chaos theory for example. Now for the mere mortal it doesn't change much: it's like in a role game: everything is predetermined by the game algorithm though you won't be able to predict precisely enough to do so because of the many combinatories that are possible.


NewWorldOrder what made you pick that name? Just curious it reminds of the new Nazi's group but I do mean to imply you think that way, by all means I do not know how you think. I also feel everyone should be skeptic until proven otherwise. :)
Read my former post and you may guess why: I'm fundamentally anti-nazi and against so called New World Order which is in fact crafted for the first time by Mussolini. But people forget history and when they hear about New World Order of UN they think it's a socialist kind of order whereas socialism is not the one dreamed by people, it's just a manipulative instrument that is used by the neonazi.

When I met the guy above, I didn't care much about what he said because I thought he was kind of mad guy but since I have assembled information that show there are indeed something going on and most people aren't aware.

[Ancestor]

This is a little off topic, but I do believe in a sixth sense. Please don't ask me to try to explain it, as I really cannot. Besides, many would simply ridicule what I would have to say anyway. Ancestor, you will probably understand what I mean by auras. That's as far as I go. I am one Westerner who doesn't think all Oriential things just mumbo-jumbo however. Since I suffer from chronic illness, my Oriential Doctor taught me a principal of I Ching that I did not know (I've studied a lot of things!) to help me deal with stress. It works great! :)

Yes I do know what you mean by auras and I do have a good sixth sense also. :) Only my sixth sense is more emapthic ability then just mere intuition but feeling illness, emotions, and auras as well. I practiced Tai Chi for stress which also worked but I have not done it for a few years now. Pendragon would please tell where I can look into I Ching principals. I wonder if that is part of Qigong or QI healing principals? I would love to learn to improve my whole being better due to I am not doing a good job at the moment. Stress is way too unhealthy for anyone. I feel we all have a sixth sense but some of us choose to use it and some do not want to tap into it let alone acknowledge sixth sense even exists. It is each to his or her own.

[underground]

i'll have to read the last three pages one of these days, but as for now, i'll just be self-centered and voice my own opinion. :p

yes, i do believe that ghosts exist, but i really wonder what makes people always assume that they're the souls of dead people. maybe ghosts are, you know, just from a whole different world. maybe those who look like people we know are the doppel gangers from another dimension. :p

this may be a little unrelated, but i was just thinking, maybe we're really not the only living things in this universe. you know like before columbus and all the conquistadors, the europeans didn't know about the native americans? why, maybe earth is just like one of the isolated continents, and one day people could be so advanced that they could go to another planet in a flash via airplane. and the history that the students learn in school would be mainly about the universe as a whole and about the earth just a little.

maybe i've read too much sci-fi.

ah, so there's a discussion about sixth sense. well, i heard it really depends on each individual; some people can sense and others just don't. some people, therefore, can see ghosts and other miscellaneous spirits while others--who became skeptics--can't. maybe it has something to do with your genes after all. (i've read the god gene by who knows who that basically says some people are more spiritual than others. "god" can probably be replaced by "ghosts.")

my family uses the words "ghosts" and "demons" interchangeably, but in my opinion, ghosts can be either good or bad (think casper), while demons are undoubtedly evil. then again, this is the opinion i formed four years ago. i will have to come up with a new one. both ghosts and demons, incidentally, are subgroups of "spirits." other subgroups include genies, poltergeists, vampires, etc. now that's the lesson of the day.

i also trust science most of the time, but i don't believe that science has the answer all the time. i'm sure everyone has heard of ghostly anecdotes. well, i really like the one with the tourists and the photographs. this one happened to my science-sy professor, by the way. he was visiting a place somewhere and decided to take pictures of the head tribe or something. but then someone nudged him and told him he needed to ask the head tribe's permission first, and because he didn't, he wasn't going to get any of the pictures. and so when he developed the film, all of the pictures were fine except for the one of the head tribes: they were blank. another student shared a similar story.

i don't think this is just a coincidence and that there are some supernatural/paranormal/outlandish power somewhere out there. one we obviously have yet to understand.

[byquist]

Only Hamlet's dad, Banquo, and the one in "Blythe Spirit."

[Ancestor]

This is rather a sociological belief than a scientific belief. People are endoctrined to believe for example that the schrödinger equation in quantum mechanics justifies this. In truth it is just one of subjective interpretation called the Copenhague interpretation which Schrödinger himself doesn't agree with. More and more scientists are discovering that Nature is fundamentally deterministic but appears to be random through chaos theory for example. Now for the mere mortal it doesn't change much: it's like in a role game: everything is predetermined by the game algorithm though you won't be able to predict precisely enough to do so because of the many combinatories that are possible.

Yeah I know but there are things that happened to me that science cannot explain due to that they do not believe it can happen. I appear to fit into a catorgory that no one seems to be willing to scientifically study. My way of thinking is not totally against science in fact I love forensics which is not the kind of science we are talking about here. But there always have been things that can be scientifically explained and some that cannot be scientifically explained. Example, take a pair of dowsing rods and place them into someone hands. The dowsing rods beging to swing around but the person is not moving his or her hands. Can you scientifically explain how these rods swing for about 30 minutes without the person moving their hands? If you saw it with your own eyes would you believe what you are seeing or accuse the person of some trickery? I am a honest person and would never deceive anyone like that and my dowsing rod swing real well without my help. I do not expect anyone to believe me because that is something you have to experience for yourself.

[Adelheid]

You might like to read "Alien Encounters" by Chuck Missler and Mark Eastman. I never thought I'd ever believe in Ghosts or Aliens... but that book has changed my thinking alright. It's freaky enough in broad daylight. I'd advise anyone NOT to read it at night. I was so scared when I did.

[Pendragon]

Pendragon would please tell where I can look into I Ching principals. I wonder if that is part of Qigong or QI healing principals? I would love to learn to improve my whole being better due to I am not doing a good job at the moment. Stress is way too unhealthy for anyone.

I studied I Ching from books I checked out from my local library. Any good library should either have them, or be able to get them on intra-library loan for you. The method I'm using at the moment is called "Heart Smiling", using a focus of Chi flow and meditation, modified to suit my personal tastes and religious beliefs. That is the beauty of I Ching as taught by my doctor, she can tailor it to a person so well. I used to be able to block pain, nearly stop my heart, etc., but I have trouble concentrating now. This version requires little concentration, as the meditation takes the form of positive statements said aloud. The philosopher Jung was into I Ching, if I recall correctly. My sixth sense is tied to my aura very strongly, but I understand what you mean by "empathy". Not that I see ghosts as a usual thing, I can usually explain what is going on. It's the 10% I can't explain that lead me to start this topic. :)


yes, i do believe that ghosts exist, but i really wonder what makes people always assume that they're the souls of dead people. maybe ghosts are, you know, just from a whole different world. maybe those who look like people we know are the doppel gangers from another dimension. :p


maybe i've read too much sci-fi.
Interesting. Are you familiar with the ghostly phenomenon of the "doppleganger" or "fetch"? This is when a person is haunted by a replica of themselves. It is said to be fatal to see your own "fetch". As you might imagine from the name, this legend comes to us via the German people. I've read several cases that seem to be well documented. Parallel Universe lap-over? Works for me. Oh, and you can never read too much Sci-Fi... :) :alien: :alien: :alien: :alien:

[BigDaddy_GFS]

I've had some odd personal experiences with ghosts and/or spirits.
About five separate ocasions, I've seen an entity that cold be a ghost or spirit.
Three times, I saw a curly-haired white man, heavy set, in rural clothes. Once,he was spotted sitting in a lounge chair in my den, and twice in the bedrooms. He vanished quickly, and never acknowledged my presence.
At least twice, I've seen a pillar of smoky material in my house that can't be explained away.
Add to the list, the sound of music boxes, when there are nonne in the house.
Also, the scent of men's cologne has been smelled, but no one in the house wears any.
Lights have switched on and off by themselves.
PErsonal items have disappeared, and then reappeared in odd places.

[Ancestor]

Cool experience's BigDaddy and has anyone else in your house seen this guy? Just curious do not have to answery if you do not want to. I feel that seeing is believing. :nod:

Thank you Pendragon for answering my question and I will look into it. I am a firm believer that meditation does work and I do know that having a healthy Chi does help us. I do appreciate you answering so again thank you. ;)

[rachel]

So many thoughts and opinions. Since I believe that we were always meant to have access to this world of material substance and that where God and His angels and such dwell I have never had a problem since baby hood accepting that my being extremely sensitive to the unseen was as it should be. Okay you can laugh til you cry but when I was nine i sat on the edge of the bed and i was determined i guess to sit there until i saw a vision of God.(when i was just three or so my father said i put on my coat and headed for the door declaring i was going to find God.)Well i sat and sat and then suddenly the room lit up which was hard because it was summer and the room was already bright because it was not twilight yet. at any rate there stood this magnificent well to me angelic being and i was so disappointed because i knew he was not God. He simply bade me get under the covers told me that God was with me and the next thing i know it was morning and i was still lying under the covers.This sort of thing has happened all througout my life. I have no idea why.
The two strangest were when one october night when my children were small i went outside to go down the street to get chocolate bars for a snack ( i know not healthy)
I distinctly heard a voice ask me how much i loved my God. I said with out thinking very much. "to the death?" i heard and suddenly felt scared. i went into the store and got the stuff and as i was heading home i felt overwhelmingly freaked out. i looked down the street and there sat what i at first thought was a guard dog but it was outside the gate of the auto wreckers. Then i noticed it was sitting but was about six feet high and was glowing electric blue and had glowing yellow eyes that looked somehow human. It started toward me and sounded like a train.I started screaming like an insane person and began to run across the crowded highway. people were staring at me and swerving and trying to see what i saw. i got to the other side and told it to go in Jesus' Name and it vanished. I went into the house with the chocolate bars and sat like a statue for about an hour trying to calm down.

The second( i hope i am not boring you) was a reoccurant strange thing at my place of work which was a night attendant at a senior's residence. as there was always only one person working each night caring for over seventy sick and dying people it was exhausting. and i had to do room check, go up all the floors and check to see there was no smoke or whatever. i always heard uneartlhly moanings and screams or deep hideous voices coming from some of the rooms that i knew sickly spindly weak people tucked into their beds were.
then i read from another attendant that she was thinking of quitting (we had to write all happenings in the book for the next shift.) because of the same things. she was terrified. we couldn't lose her, it was such a hard job no one was able to do but a few of us so in desperation i told her to do what i had done to tell whatever those things were to leave in the Name of Jesus. She wrote in the book a couple of days later that she had done so and the noises and slamming doors had ceased instantly.
I don't pretend to understand all this stuff but it happens. constantly.

"And the demons screamed and cried out and said "Son of Man what have we to do with you ?" And He ordered them to be quiet and come out of him." holy Bible.

pendragon,

what is I Ching in the first place and how does it work. It is just a way of coping like some people do under doctor's care to diminish pain by what one thinks or says out loud or is it something else.

[Ancestor]

I studied I Ching from books I checked out from my local library. Any good library should either have them, or be able to get them on intra-library loan for you. The method I'm using at the moment is called "Heart Smiling", using a focus of Chi flow and meditation, modified to suit my personal tastes and religious beliefs. That is the beauty of I Ching as taught by my doctor, she can tailor it to a person so well. I used to be able to block pain, nearly stop my heart, etc., but I have trouble concentrating now. This version requires little concentration, as the meditation takes the form of positive statements said aloud. The philosopher Jung was into I Ching, if I recall correctly. My sixth sense is tied to my aura very strongly, but I understand what you mean by "empathy". Not that I see ghosts as a usual thing, I can usually explain what is going on. It's the 10% I can't explain that lead me to start this topic. :)


pendragon, what is I Ching in the first place and how does it work. It is just a way of coping like some people do under doctor's care to diminish pain by what one thinks or says out loud or is it something else.

I know you addressed this to Pendragon but I think I can answer it too. Asian practices of deal with Chi which is the energy within the human body. I Ching is a principal that allows one to balance the Chi within their own body to help the body heal thyself. A meditation form Pendragon describes in the above quote is used to help him is tailored to him. Aura is his spiritual energy which is your Chi. Often doing Tai Chi can also give you same results but I find that Reiki healing also helps me too. Otherwords use spiritual healing techniques along with whatever faith you are can help you stay healthy. I do need to get back into the practice of doing my Tai Chi again. Your mind is a power healing tool that most people do not use. But if you have negative thoughts then your mind can also make you sick. It depends on how one thinks of themselves and what they find works to keep them a healthy person. Sorry to have butted in and if Pendragon feels I did not interpret correctly I hope he will set me straight. I would rather be straight then to keep making mistakes. ;)

[B-Mental]

I don't know the answer to this one, but when I was young my father owned a bar in Wisconsin. All sorts of weird things used to happen in the bar when I was there alone.
Later weird things would happen when I was closing it as a bar tender, usually alone. On several occasions people that used to work there have told me that they personally thought the bar was haunted and that it was the scariest place to be in alone.

[NewWorldOrder]

>Yeah I know but there are things that happened to me that science cannot explain due to that they do not believe it can happen. I appear to fit into a catorgory that no one seems to be willing to scientifically study.


Science is not a religion but is also a system of beliefs I have no shame to admit this only those who are pseudo-scientist would claim that Science is pure facts :). Henri Poincaré one of the greatest scientist of this century has written a book called "Science and Hypothesis" to dismiss that Science is just based on logics like Mathematics. For those who doesn't know him, he is the Grand Father of Chaos Theory and in fact also the first inventor of Einstein's relativity before Einstein it is officially known in scientific community since ten years but not yet by the mass public.

Nevertheless Science is based on RATIONAL beliefs not on revelation by some individuals. And science is aimed to revise its own system of beliefs which is not the case of revelation. If somebody like the guy I encountered who told me that he has exorcised somebody, well it's natural that I am skeptical and would rather think his patient was just schizophrenic and wanted to kill his wife because a voice ordered him to do so. He was also a scientist, I have no reason to suspect he wants to fool me as in the professional context of this seminar he had really ridiculised himself in front of several persons :D

After that a very good friend of mine who is also very rational said, once he was plunging in the pool and had an accident he sunk into coma. But "from the air" he saw his own body as well as all people reanimating him. Well I am not stuborned, I would say maybe there is something, it isn't studied by science yet but I'm sure it will one day because Science cannot help to study truth. But it is sure that Science is controled politically and religiously and that it may not advance as fast as it could.

[Ancestor]

I don't know the answer to this one, but when I was young my father owned a bar in Wisconsin. All sorts of weird things used to happen in the bar when I was there alone.
Later weird things would happen when I was closing it as a bar tender, usually alone. On several occasions people that used to work there have told me that they personally thought the bar was haunted and that it was the scariest place to be in alone.

Where is the bar I love haunted places and find them very interesting. Having had many experiences myself I am used to it by and when a unfriendly one gets around I call for reinforcements. Prayers and my dead relatives keep me out of trouble which wears them out. :)

[B-Mental]

Its in Eau Claire, Wisconsin. It still goes by the name "The Mousetrap", but under new ownership. I wish the spirit of my dead ancestors kept me from trouble, but last March I blew out my ACL while snowboarding. I'm Irish, and I feel an affinity with my long lost heritage that month, but to no avail. Oh, the knee happened less than two months after I broke my clavicle, again snowboarding.

[Pendragon]

pendragon,

what is I Ching in the first place and how does it work. It is just a way of coping like some people do under doctor's care to diminish pain by what one thinks or says out loud or is it something else.
Well, Rachel, I have nothing much to add to what Ancestor has already said. (Don't worry about the butting in, Ancestor. You did fine.) Reiki healing was suggested to me when my other defences against stress and negitive thoughts had broken down. It is tailored to me in that I use The Lord's Prayer, favorite Bible verses (Psalm 23), and adress every positve statement to my Heavenly Father. You vocally excange a negitive thought something like this: "Heavenly Father, take my feelings of abandonment and exchange them for the knowledge that I am loved and I am wanted and needed. Smile to your heart." I can already hear the laughter, but it does work. There are ways to sit, hold the hands, etc. to maximize the flow of the Chi, but I've never had anything leave me feeling so peaceful. I imagine some would call it a form of "self hypnosis", but it isn't. I Ching can be used for other purposes, some non-medical and even bad. There is positive and negitive Chi. Sadly, as a wild teenager, I focused on the negitive aspects of I Ching. After becoming a Christian, I still used I Ching concentration to controll pain, but as I said, I can no longer do that.

[NewWorldOrder]

I have encountered other people on some forums who seem to really believe in some theories like after the death, we would be souls that would be forced to reincarnate again and again (that is to say we would have no choice to do so :D) and that in between we would be haunting others though not always as visibly as a ghost.

There are so many beliefs that people are just chosing the one that suits theirs. So what is it worth to do so ? I don't understand why people want to fool themselves with fake beliefs notably in sects. I prefer not to believe and wait for a true answer one day even if it isn't during this life - supposing I have some more.

[Logos]

Speaking of rationality and scientific beliefs.. and NewWorldOrder, I'm not trying to have a `go' at you, but this is a big popular misconception about people who have schizophrenia. That voices tell them to kill people.


"People with schizophrenia are far more likely to harm themselves than be violent toward the public. Violence is not a symptom of schizophrenia."

from this site:

http://www.schizophrenia.com/poverty.htm

I had to interject here because I know we all want to better informed about people and the world around us, huh? :)




Nevertheless Science is based on RATIONAL beliefs not on revelation by some individuals. And science is aimed to revise its own system of beliefs which is not the case of revelation. If somebody like the guy I encountered who told me that he has exorcised somebody, well it's natural that I am skeptical and would rather think his patient was just schizophrenic and wanted to kill his wife because a voice ordered him to do so. He was also a scientist, I have no reason to suspect he wants to fool me as in the professional context of this seminar he had really ridiculised himself in front of several persons :D



as far as the topic, I absolutely believe that some people are privy to events and energies that most of us are not aware of.

[Stanislaw]

Well, I have personally expierienced something that could be explained as a ghost, but my beliefs do not support the existance of ghosts, so I still struggle over this encounter. Now I suppose it is possible that ghosts are souls that are in pergatory too good for hell, too bad for heaven, and that they are given a second chance on earth, all be it in a different type of existance, and what they do determines their resting place...maybe, 'tis just a thought (well, one that could make sense with my beliefs)

Here is my incounter, please comment on it, ask questions, and perhaps enlighten me, I will try to be as descriptive as possible.
Back story: My family had decided to move, and we were shopping for houses, at one point we thought it would be cool to buy an acreage.

story: well on one excursion we visited a small country house, on this small plot, there were two decrepit buildings and a small circa 1920's farm house. One decrepit building was a collapsing barn, the other a age/wind damaged tool shed.
The house was rather odd on the inside, the furnishings, design and decorations were all that of the early 30's, the house smelled of bread (the food) and the lighting was of a yellow tone, (typical of the glass lightbulb covers). The owner was an elderly lady who owned the house and wanted to move after her husband had died. now there was an atic of sorts, with bedrooms and the like, with a staircase that had to be pulled down from the ceiling, a rectractable stair type thing.now my parents and the realistate agent were looking around the upper area, and I was sitting in the living room area, looking up at the atic area, now I saw a gentleman with a white shirt and green coller up there with my parents, and didn't think much of it.

After we finished looking around, we decided to go for lunch, so we got in our car and left after bidding farewell to the lady whom owned the house. I asked my parents who the guy with the green collar was, and they said, that there had been no man with a grean collar. However, even they said the house felt weird, "like a place out of time". So suffice to say, it creeped me out.


Well, that was my story of my encounter with a ghost in rural alberta.

[B-Mental]

I looked all over the map and could not find Rural, Alberta.

[Stanislaw]

oh, heh heh, I ment rural as in, rural and urban, city and farm...

the location was about 100 kilometers outside of edmonton north eastish

[Ancestor]

Stanislaw how old were you when you saw this man with the green collar? I know that may seem to be a odd question but I am a proud odd duck here. There are many different ideals about seeing spirits and for one can only feel their them but I did see one long ago. It was not a very good spirit because I was terrified of him. I asked about your age because the younger you are the more easy it is to see a spirit. Youth is accepts more easily then us adults do unless you are one who is willing to see a spirit. Open minded people usually see beyond what normal sense's can and tend to accept with further proof of paranormal existance. :)

[YellowCrayola]

A question out of the blue: Do you guys believe in those psychics who believe they can contact and speak to the dead?

[B-Mental]

Do you mean like the that had a TV show? Nah, Houdini tried dozens of them. I guess first hand experience might change my opinion though.

[YellowCrayola]

Do you mean like the that had a TV show? Nah, Houdini tried dozens of them. I guess first hand experience might change my opinion though.

Yeah, those television shows. I always wonder if those people who want the psychics to contact their dead relatives are "paid customers", if you know what I mean. Man, reality television has really taken the "real" out of reality.

[B-Mental]

Really...? Bummer, for real.

[YellowCrayola]

Yeah. I can't even tell where the truth ends and lies begin. After that notion, I just gave up watching reality television. Lol.

[Ancestor]

A question out of the blue: Do you guys believe in those psychics who believe they can contact and speak to the dead?

Some are real and some are not just like with anything in life. Some get paid a lot of money for giving someone a reading but that does not always mean they are fakes. Sometimes that is how they make their living is giving reading for those whom want to speak to their departed ones. Nothing wrong with that as long as you are a honest person giving the reading. :)

[Scheherazade]

Thought some of you find the following article interesting. Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4271018.stm
One in 10 people has had an out-of-body experience, yet scientists know very little about the phenomenon. Researchers say a new study could bring us closer to the ultimate question of what happens when we die.

Out-of-body experiences involve a sensation of floating and seeing the physical body from the outside. They are often a symptom of the near-death experience, where people, whilst apparently dead, experience visions, tunnels of light and a feeling of peace, before being resuscitated.

These experiences are reported across many cultures and "experiencers" often cite them as life-changing events. Preliminary studies have shown that certain populations are more susceptible. Among students, for example, the incidence of out-of-body experiences (OBE) rises to 25%.

A team of scientists at the University of Manchester aims to study profile those who have and haven't had OBEs. Using an online questionnaire on body perceptions and experience, they aim to isolate differences between these groups. The survey will also gather details on the different kinds of OBEs people have, to categorise these experiences more precisely.

"There are several theories as to why people have OBEs," says David Wilde, the researcher running the project. "A common link between them is the idea that in certain circumstances the brain somehow loses touch with sensory information coming in from the body. This triggers a series of psychological mechanisms which can lead to someone having an OBE."

"It's a little bit like if you sleep on your arm and lose sensation in it. Only with an OBE, the sensation loss is in the whole body and the brain's response seems to be to create a feeling of separation from the self."

"In this study we aim to take the theory a stage further, by looking at the way people see and experience their bodies, and how - through perfectly ordinary psychological processes - these images and experiences may create the impression of seeing their bodies from the outside."

It isn't rare for people to have more than one OBE, and they may also occur as part of the wider near-death experience (NDE) some report experiencing in life-threatening circumstances.

Mr Wilde is at pains to stress that he doesn't judge whether OBEs are real.

"If someone has had an experience, then we take that as real. We can't disprove or prove anything."

A different research approach comes from Dr Sam Parnia, who studies OBEs as part of his interest in near-death experiences. He is looking at reports of OBEs from cardiac arrest patients. He is conducting a national study, looking at physical factors that might cause this experience.

Reports of OBEs and NDEs are often simply anecdotal, but the hospital environment allows Sam Parnia to monitor and compare oxygen, carbon dioxide and salt levels in the patients who did and did not have either experience.

His study also involves a novel method of testing if the "self" actually does leave the body during an OBE. Sam has suspended boards below the ceiling and these have images on the upper side. The idea is that if people do look down from above, they may recall the extra information. As yet, no patients have reported seeing these images.

Whether these phenomena are visions of a dying brain or paranormal activity, Dr Parnia says science needs to offer an explanation of what happens when we die.

"I think that NDEs hold the key to finally solving this mystery. In studying them further we will be able to discover the true nature of the relationship between the mind and the brain and answer the wider questions regarding the existence of an afterlife."


The survey mentioned in the article: http://www.freeresponse.org/muobe2005/

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[Pendragon]

To Scheherazade's very informed article on the "out of body" experience, I will only add this. There are those who feel that they can do this at will, they need no "near death" experience to cause it. My advice from personal experiments as a wild teenager is leave things alone that you do not understand. It is far safer and much less likely to give you a good scare! I think that sometimes the unexplained is better off remaining unexplained. I have had several "ghostly" encounters, some which I can explain, some which I cannot, and some which I'm not certain I want to know. My son goes with a young lady whose house is haunted. He came home the other evening with his face scratched after making a snide remark about the ghost. My son is an ultra-skeptic, but he'll swear to this. Can I explain it? I'm not even going to try. :eek: :eek: :confused:

[rachel]

Thank you ancestor and Pendragon. Very interesting. Did you know that King David did something similar in that he would ask his soul what was wrong when he suffered deep depression and then he would share his feelings with God. After God comforted him and spoke to his heart David would bring out what he had learned and put it into a poem. Beautiful.
It does matter what you tell yourself. I remember being in despair about something that was going on and on and I felt like I was dying inside. One of my sons took me aside(he was always so wise since a baby) and told me to reconsider using the words I was using.He said if I kept speaking that to my soul I would succumb to it and then I remembered the scripture that said " the power of life and death is in your words"
I didn't feel any better but I began to speak different words to my soul such as " I can do all things thru Christ who strengthens me" , things such as that.
It still took time but the situation greatly improved and I was able to see it from a different perspective and not let it devestate me.
Logos thank you for that information. I feel distressed at the misinformation floating about in the atmosphere causing undue stress and antagonism and well prejudice.
Ancestor I just have to say that I love your name. Kind of makes me feel like you are family somehow.

"Do you know why" Peter asked "swallows build nests in the eaves of houses?" It is to listen to the stories." Peter Pan

[mono]

A question out of the blue: Do you guys believe in those psychics who believe they can contact and speak to the dead?
No worries; it does not seem a question 'out of the blue,' but very much related to this thread. No, I do not believe in such psychics on television or telephone. Now and then, I have felt tempted to call them on the telephone, and ask them my name, date of birth, etc.
When something seems so unknown and unproven, such as the existence of ghosts, I think, it makes situations much easier to imagine. In the 1800's and early 1900's, and long before then, no one knew what the moon consisted of, but astronomers thought it looked a lot like cheese, so they assumed the moon consisted of a blue cheese. Because ghosts might exist does not always imply several people can have communication (maybe some, if they exist), much less for a paycheck.

One in 10 people has had an out-of-body experience, yet scientists know very little about the phenomenon. Researchers say a new study could bring us closer to the ultimate question of what happens when we die . . .
Interesting article, Scher, thanks. ;)
I had a post-operative patient, whose surgery I witnessed, while 'X' had general anesthesia. After the procedure, 'X' woke in a perfectly healthy manner, while we transferred 'X' to the general medical-surgical area, after of which I was 'X's nurse.
After 'X' had fully recovered from the anesthesia, 'X' told me of a very similar experience, reporting feeling above the operating table, watching us, and even explaining some of the conversations we had among the surgeons, anesthesiologist, and nurses. I thought this very interesting, and remained very skeptical, but, of course, did not tell 'X' that. Anesthesia can do some strange things; sometimes patients wake slightly, remain numb, but still have the dizzy, confusing effect of the drug. I thought that interesting, anyway, and did not want to intrude on 'X's beliefs.

[underground]

oh my, much enthusiasm in this thread. i can't add more because i haven't spent that much time researching about paranormal stuff, but magic and ghost stories always fascinate me. whether they're true or not does not concern me. do tell more! :D

[Rosevn]

Such an interesting topic and this is why much enthusiasm has been spent in this thread (hi underground ;) ). Many of you have given your interesting ideas that I see some existing in me also :cool: !

Well anyway I less believe in Ghosts than believe in Souls. I have never ever in my life seen a ghost (except in movies :)), yet about the soul, I mean what we can feel by our hearts, yea, I think it exists somehow somewhere in our hearts. For example, as we deeply think of our loved departed ones or as we are in a deep memory of them, it's like their souls are beside us at the time or always...well it's not easy to describe for me...but that's what I have sensed as I recall my loved departed ones who have been so so dear to my soul.

[Ancestor]

Thank you ancestor and Pendragon. Ancestor I just have to say that I love your name. Kind of makes me feel like you are family somehow.


You are welcome and I feel we are all family here since doing genealogy I have found many connections to other people I never knew. Glad though that we both helped answer your question. ;)

[Pendragon]

Thank you ancestor and Pendragon. Very interesting. Did you know that King David did something similar in that he would ask his soul what was wrong when he suffered deep depression and then he would share his feelings with God. After God comforted him and spoke to his heart David would bring out what he had learned and put it into a poem. Beautiful.
Anytime and everytime, Rachel. And now you know why I write poetry and songs! :)

[YellowCrayola]

I only believe in religious ghosts. Lol. :D

[Ancestor]

I only believe in religious ghosts. Lol. :D

What do you mean by religious ghosts? :confused:

[YellowCrayola]

Like, hmm, let's see... Religious ghosts as in ghostly apparitions pertaining to Christian figures. An example was that incident where the Virgin Mary appeared atop the roof a church in Zeitun, Egypt. I believed that one.

[Ancestor]

Thanks, I was not sure if that was what you meant so thank you for clarifying yourself. :) May I ask why only those kinds of spirits that you believe in? Hope that is not too personal of a question and if so forgive me.

[YellowCrayola]

Nah, no problem. Well, I was told by my parents that there are no such things as ghosts. I was told that if I do see any of them, they're in dire need of prayer so they can go to heaven, since they're stuck in purgatory (Catholic view). So that's why I only believe in those kinds of spirits, mainly because of my religion. I hope I explained enough. :)

[Stanislaw]

Nah, no problem. Well, I was told by my parents that there are no such things as ghosts. I was told that if I do see any of them, they're in dire need of prayer so they can go to heaven, since they're stuch in purgatory (Catholic view). So that's why I only believe in those kinds of spirits, mainly because of my religion. I hope I explained enough. :)
'tis a similar belief with me.


oh, and for ancestor, sorry not to have responded ealier, I was around 12ish, when I had my encounter.

[Ancestor]

Not a problem Stanislaw and as for Yellowcrayla you have explained enough hope I was not a bother to you. Catholic faith is unknown to me because I have not met one in person that I know of. Most faiths here Spiritualist and think I worship Satan and I admit to not knowing all faiths but at least I ask for someone to explain before saying they are Satan worshiper. Thank you both for being open and honest with me. :)

[YellowCrayola]

No problem. I don't think I'm ever going to be a satan-worshipper, though (no offense to those who practice the worship).

[EMB]

I'm in the 'I want to believe' section of the population....my girlfriend does, but for me, to believe, I must experience and, after so many years, this has yet to occur.

ED :cool:

[Pendragon]

Well, EBM, I'm always hearing it described as "haunted New England". Just kidding. I was always the same way. Let me experience it first, then I'll believe. Well, I did, on several occasions. Some I can explain, some I think I can explain, and some I don't know. My own advice to people is "Be careful. You may get more than you bargin for." I see these TV shows about ghost chases and I always wonder, "Are they really sure they know what they are messing with?" That doesn't include the ones that are almost certainly rigged... :)

[Stanislaw]

Well, EBM, I'm always hearing it described as "haunted New England". Just kidding. I was always the same way. Let me experience it first, then I'll believe. Well, I did, on several occasions. Some I can explain, some I think I can explain, and some I don't know. My own advice to people is "Be careful. You may get more than you bargin for." I see these TV shows about ghost chases and I always wonder, "Are they really sure they know what they are messing with?" That doesn't include the ones that are almost certainly rigged... :)
aie, if ye bed with pigs, you will become one...

ie. don't mess with the dead...or the dead will mess with you...

ie2. "when I am dead, I would like to remain with the dead and I would be upset if somone living forced me to do otherwise!" - fist full of dollers.

[Dailen]

Due to time constraints, this is short, and I have not read the entire thred yet. "Ghosts" in many misunderstood forms exist. If you have not encountered one, you are less likely to Believe.
Paranormal, as in Psychic abilities also exist in many misunderstood forms.

I toss my hat into this ring, and will return with a few more coppers for the pot.
I will ask though....Am I the only one here
(who has happened in and read this :D )
With a background in this most perplexing field?

well now,
I know it's only been a day, but it would apear
-This is an Ex-thread
So...if any others chime in, I'll be back.
It's hard to exchange thoughts when talking to myself. ;)
(an all to common habit)
Have a goodin'

[Pendragon]

Due to time constraints, this is short, and I have not read the entire thred yet. "Ghosts" in many misunderstood forms exist. If you have not encountered one, you are less likely to Believe.
Paranormal, as in Psychic abilities also exist in many misunderstood forms.

I toss my hat into this ring, and will return with a few more coppers for the pot.
I will ask though....Am I the only one here
(who has happened in and read this :D )
With a background in this most perplexing field?If you mean by this, as I think you do, are any of us practising Psychics who actively persue ghost hunting, you are probably alone. I am familiar with most types of accepted hauntings. I have experienced some, not all of them. Some I cannot explain and do not try. My own vote as the starter of this thread was "not in the general sense." As for psychic powers, I do not discount them, but many fakers have cast doubt on people who may truly have them. I do not claim any. But what I have seen and experienced I know is true. Call me a skeptic until no explaination can be found. Then, to quote Sherlock Holmes,when you eliminate the impossible, whatever is left, however unlikely, must be true. And if you cannot eliminate the impossible, change your mind about what is impossible! :D

[MrBojangles]

Perhaps these "experiences" you guys have had can be told here, because I for one believe that there have never been ghosts, but i enjoy that whole mysticism area. Just as much as a good book.

[Ancestor]

Do you have to see it to believe it? Do you feel those whom have had these kinds of experiences are crazy? Not always seeing is believing because as pendragon pointed out people who claim to be pyschic can cheat you. It is often healty be skeptic in this field not just because of those whom will take advantage but for your own piece of mind. Skeptical people often research and that helps you decide whether or not you have lost your mind. :nod:

[MrBojangles]

I keep confusing myself when thinking of a good response, and so what iam living with is that "being skeptical is more healthy."

[Dailen]

Pendragon:

I do not discount them, but many fakers have cast doubt on people who may truly have them.
The fakers are the problem, Have you caught the British TV show where they "hunt" down ghosts?
They are not hunting ghosts, they are listening to a story teller "get his word on". Not a bit of his impressions ever check out, and/or he gives unverifiable infromation.
When it comes to local Sooth Sayers, as each new one shows up with the tacky neon sign in the front window, I do go and check that person out, this way I feel secure in giving others a review of that persons "skills".

Far too many people have had emotions played on, and wallet picked, by people who read body language, jewlery, clothing and auto - all of these things along with the opening introductory words, can give a "reader" enough info, to fill the average 20 minute sitting.

Call me a skeptic until no explaination can be found. Then, to quote Sherlock Holmes,when you eliminate the impossible, whatever is left, however unlikely, must be true. And if you cannot eliminate the impossible, change your mind about what is impossible!
A most wise way to think on many things.

Ancestor:

Not always seeing is believing because as pendragon pointed out people who claim to be pyschic can cheat you. It is often healty be skeptic in this field not just because of those whom will take advantage but for your own piece of mind. Skeptical people often research and that helps you decide whether or not you have lost your mind.

Along with what I stated above, It is highly important to walk into a "reading" with a, clear mind, stable emotions, and a healthy level of skepticism- never walk into a reading thinking - You are going to know your future, you will most likely be dupped, and conned out of more money, for the person to say special prayers for your "darkness"- this is an absolute sign of a scam.
They "the fake" will prey on anybody drowing in sorrow, Tears mean money to them. Many Key words exist to try to tap into the most financialy lucritive of emotions...Love and Loss.

A true reader will not go down this road, and the only tears welcomed by the real thing, are tears of joy.
The strangest of images can be the message from the other side, I'll give some examples:

Friday night I was reading a man, who from the time he walked in, I could feel a Joyous male to his side...we began the reading, This man with him had been trying to reasure his friend that, he needed to stop feeling guilt for the "seemingly" early death of his friend. - as an experienced reader, I knew this was not something I should just blert out. I asked the "other" for more.
The images I got made no sense to me: normaly thats how it goes.

the image
A large building to the left with tall roll up doors facing the right, a tank parked in front, I could see the side of it and the cannon was facing away from the building, strangest part was the tank kept flashing red.

So to start small with his memories (ease him into it) I just asked him if a red tank made any sense to him. He thought a bit and said that he has seen many red tanks, (ok time to get specific) I explained the building and placement of the tank--I could see the lightbulb turn on, now, I said to him, Who stood with you at the tank.....Bingo, He now had proof (that I could never had looked up) that his friend was with us.
The reading continued.

Have you seen Interview with the Vampire? In the begining, where Louie tell the Christian Slater charactor, "We can't begin this way" then he turns on a light with speed that stuns the young man, but gives proof that something more is going on.
This is how I prefer to start my readings.

Just a silly side note: after the reading with the man above,and we were saying goodbye, I was Craving Moonpies, so..I mentioned this to him, turns out it was his friends favorite snack.
That night I ate my first ever moonpie, not bad.
My complexion, however, thought otherwise.
Oxy just made money off the other side.

I just noticed how long I have Prattled on...So.Being that the first topic started was on Psychic abilities...we could tackle this. And then move on to Ghost, lingering strong emotion, telekenesis, and Out of Body.(if you wish)
(often a confusing mess, reasearch into each event is important to determine what class, if any it belongs in) Any and all questions are welcomed, I will admit if I do not know the answers, I am not all knowing, Just a bit weird.

ohh...Dear MrBojangles: I also hope stories will be shared here, and sometimes the smartest thing people can say is " I know nothing "
Your skepticism is a good thing.

Now....I must move on to take care of
The Revenge of The Moonpie - Enjoy.

[Pendragon]

Pendragon:

The fakers are the problem, Have you caught the British TV show where they "hunt" down ghosts?
They are not hunting ghosts, they are listening to a story teller "get his word on". Not a bit of his impressions ever check out, and/or he gives unverifiable infromation.

Excellent example of a case in point. Although some of his impressions are verifiable, I doubt the "no prior knowledge" line. I didn't start this as a "let's get into ghosts" forum thread. It was more of a "do you believe in their existence" thread. If you wish to get really deeply into the subject of Psychic powers and ghost hunting, I'm not sure this is the right thread for you. You may wish to start your own, explaining the various types of hauntings and Psychic readings. You seem to not wish anyone to be taken in by a faker. I know what you mean about the subtle clues they can use, I have no psychic powers, but I can often read facial expressions and what a gambler would call "tells", the invoulantary movements people make and tell them what they are thinking. That is just observation and deduction. Don't take me wrong, I'm not telling you that you are unwelcome, far from it. But if you want to go deeply into details, your own thread might work better. But then again, maybe others on this thread would be genuinely interested in an in depth study of ghosts--and I'm fairly easy to get along with. If they have no objections, (this actually moving a bit off the mark), no one voted me in as President! :) :) :) I just don't want you to feel restricted in any way. Whatever would best suit your line of inquiry, OK? Oh, and welcome to the thread! http://www.websmileys.com/sm/happy/1055.gif

[baddad]

All ghosts are within us.

[Dailen]

naw...it's cool. I could erase it if you like.
very politely put.

[Ancestor]

naw...it's cool. I could erase it if you like.
very politely put.
I would not erase it but do try to put up a seperate thread because I would like to hear more about what you have to say. Give us some more ideals to explore and learn more about what each of us thinks. :)

[Pendragon]

naw...it's cool. I could erase it if you like.
very politely put.There's no erasing necessary at all. Your input was most welcome. I strive to be polite and caring with everyone. A new thread seems to be wanted to explore this fasinating part of ghostly lore. You'll probably even find me dropping in from time to time. So Ancestor and I would support your in-depth ghost study. Do you like the guys from TAPS, Ghost Hunters? Their season finale had an interesting take on Psychic powers. The veiw through that heat sensor camera was something else! :)

[Dailen]

It will be with shyness and trepidation, but I'll try starting a thread.
Like the great wizard, I am far more comfortable speaking from behind
a curtain.
TAPS guys....oh, when that show started up, I had already left
Rhode Island, Had I not, You may have seen me tagging along
with them. (in the background) When I hear them speak
- as a Propa' RoDielina' would, I miss home.
Strangely enough, I lived minutes from the store front they use now.

I am so happy for them. What they captured on film is priceless!
A full body apparition, is the Holy Grail of ghost hunting.
And It moved!
Outstanding!

[Scheherazade]

All ghosts are within us.Aye!



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[Theshizznigg]

I tought I'd start this in light of something I read on the "soul" thread, and also in light of those who have posted a belief in "life after death". My vote is "not in the usual sense.", that is, not as the departed spirits of the dead. When my children reported seeing the "ghost" of a confederate soldier in our mobile home park, my reaction was "Yeah, right." Then one evening, I stepped out on the porch about sundown, turned to the East, and there he stood in the next yard over. You couldn't see him from the knees down, as if he were standing in tall grass. My explaination: He was in his time, I was in mine, and I somehow saw him. I could see his legs, begause he WAS standing in knee-high grass. Not a departed soul, just a time lapse. That probably sounds crazy too, but give me your ideas, OK? Dragon out.


My goodness your a smart fellow. Hit the nail quite on the head.
My homeland of Britain is one of the most haunted places in the world, and is one of the most oddly powerful places for old earth magic.

I've seen, and heard some freaky deaky stuff, that would make peoples eyes turn, and stomachs crawl.

As for Ghost I can think of two things really, oft time you can access spirits through mediums, yadi ya, but in my opinion many are milignant, and what from I have seen many are.
They curse people, attach themselves to people, places, what not.
They cause trouble, possess people, all fun and sorts.

Now the other idea, is the one you touched one Pendragon. The belief that Ghosts, are simply rips in the fabrics of time.
There are many theories to support such ideals, and lots of un-explained evidence for occasions of short time travel.

I personally believe it is a mixture of the two.

Shizz.

"How long, how long, this long, oh thats long, long long, very long."
Chinese Family reunion, The Longs.

[thelordofdark]

I think that ghost do exist, sometimes when I am lying on my bed I feel like if there is somebody with me right in my room, sometimes I imagine them like black skiny creatures, but to say the truth I feel very frustraighted of them, so I loud the music so that my whole thought go straight to lestin instead of thinking of such things.In my childhood when I was sleeping near my grandmother, there was a force like a pressure on my chest, I cant breath easily, and I feel like there is somebody who is very strong than me making me feel that I am weak.Even I shoat loudly nobody could hear me!
GHOST do exist, but the untasty truth is that ghost are living with us, talking with us and sharing the beds with us!

[Theshizznigg]

Fantastico!

[Pendragon]

I appologize for not answering your posts earlier, but I thought this thread was, ah, dead. Yes, England is a hot bed of ghostly stuff. I rather like the time lapse theory.

[Amra]

I think that ghost do exist, sometimes when I am lying on my bed I feel like if there is somebody with me right in my room, sometimes I imagine them like black skiny creatures, but to say the truth I feel very frustraighted of them, so I loud the music so that my whole thought go straight to lestin instead of thinking of such things.In my childhood when I was sleeping near my grandmother, there was a force like a pressure on my chest, I cant breath easily, and I feel like there is somebody who is very strong than me making me feel that I am weak.Even I shoat loudly nobody could hear me!
GHOST do exist, but the untasty truth is that ghost are living with us, talking with us and sharing the beds with us!

Maybe you should consider going to an imam to recite the holy Qur'an for you.

[NightmareBeauty]

I believe that there can be a supernatural world that cant be explained i.e ghosts demons, spirits, etc. Though I never encountered one myself but I want to someday!

[Pendragon]

I believe that there can be a supernatural world that cant be explained i.e ghosts demons, spirits, etc. Though I never encountered one myself but I want to someday!Careful what you wish for. You may just get it.... And from dozens of accounts that I have read, not all encounters with the paranormal or unexplained are very peaceful...


Maybe you should consider going to an imam to recite the holy Qur'an for you.
In case of a haunting or spiritual problem, this might help, but we are only asking if people believe in the possible existence of what could be termed "ghosts" or the "paranormal", not how to exorcise them. That should of course be handled by someone, as you point out, better qualifed for the job than the average person. And even then the person must take precautions.

[sdr4jc]

I have a hard time believing that God lets some of us wander around on earth while others are sent their eternal ways. But, it's even harder to dismiss infinate numbers of sightings, encounters, all that. So I've really searched this out in the Bible. While the Bible does not talk about ghosts, it does talk about angels and demons. I believe that there is CERTAINLY a supernatural realm that coincides with ours. I also believe that demons can inhabit or possess anything, including a person, just the same way that God can inhabit and live in things, and people. I believe that both angels and demons can take the "shape" of nearly anything, and that "ghosts" are here to test our spirits somehow.

I wish I knew more about this though. My beliefs seem shallow even to me. This is one of those shady areas that I mostly just give over to God.

I experienced a lot of supernatural activity while in college, if anyone wants to know about it.


Nope

But I do believe that humans are not the only sane creatures on earth, there is a whole other world here... they can see us but we can't see them, but they have their life as we do have ours... they eat, drink, learn, etc.

There could be one of them right next to you


You ever heard of the "willies?" just curious...

[Theshizznigg]

If I found a ghost, I think it neat. Because there just another thing that we don't know about, and God has deemed important enough to explain to us.

I wouldn't however ever mix with spiritualism, or voodoo, I've seen that stuff at work and it would turn peoples stomachs to see how much of it can actually be used as a weapon.

"The devils greatest challenge, convince you their is no God, if he fails in that respect, he tries to convince you that God is false, failing in that, he tries ever so hard to convince you he doesn't exist."

[Pendragon]

I have a hard time believing that God lets some of us wander around on earth while others are sent their eternal ways. But, it's even harder to dismiss infinate numbers of sightings, encounters, all that. So I've really searched this out in the Bible. While the Bible does not talk about ghosts, it does talk about angels and demons. I believe that there is CERTAINLY a supernatural realm that coincides with ours. I also believe that demons can inhabit or possess anything, including a person, just the same way that God can inhabit and live in things, and people. I believe that both angels and demons can take the "shape" of nearly anything, and that "ghosts" are here to test our spirits somehow.

I wish I knew more about this though. My beliefs seem shallow even to me. This is one of those shady areas that I mostly just give over to God.

I experienced a lot of supernatural activity while in college, if anyone wants to know about it.You may, of course, share any experience you wish to and it will be listened to-- that I can assure you. But be warned! Quite often people post and then cannot take other people's criticism of their post. It will happen, and there's not much I could do about it. It's a free forum. If someone is skeptical, they are as welcome to post as one who firmly is convinced that the supernatural exists. So I just think that giving a heads up that someone may disagree and even try to debunk your experience is a likelyhood, and if you feel that you could not deal with that, maybe a PM would be better. I try hard to see that no one gets their feeling hurt on this thread, but if you post, then others have the right to answer according to their convictions. So really, it's your call. I'd like to hear your experience, myself. Take care. ;) :nod:


If I found a ghost, I think it neat. Because there just another thing that we don't know about, and God has deemed important enough to explain to us.

I wouldn't however ever mix with spiritualism, or voodoo, I've seen that stuff at work and it would turn peoples stomachs to see how much of it can actually be used as a weapon.

"The devils greatest challenge, convince you their is no God, if he fails in that respect, he tries to convince you that God is false, failing in that, he tries ever so hard to convince you he doesn't exist."Please, Shizz, we' are not debating the existence of God here. There are other threads for that purpose. This thread askes the question of ghosts and paranormal activity.

[smilingtearz]

an article on the net

There are many theories of what ghosts (if they indeed exist) are. Some people believe that ghosts are the residual energy left behind by an emotionally strong person or event. This theory holds that more energy/electrical impulses are expended during periods of high stress or excitement, and that the energy lingers for a long time.

Freud thought that ghosts are actually the visions of people who are afraid of death. In this sense, ghosts would not be real at all but rather a projection of our subconcious mind.

A somewhat plausible theory is that ghosts are telepathic images. That is, a sensitive person would pick up past vibrations from the area they were in and witness an event or person as it appeared many years ago. This would also explain instances where a person sees a loved one at or near the moment of the the loved one's death, since the loved one could be unconciously projecting their thoughts to the receptive person.

Ghosts might also be the result of time slips, if time is nonlinear. An event that happened in the past might be seen briefly in our time because of a fluctuation in time/space.

On his show -Mysterious World-, Arthur C. Clarke has speculated that our minds might play images to our eyes (the same way our eyes relay messages to our brain, but in reverse), almost like a movie screen. In this way ghosts would be bits of our imagination come to life.

(http://www.ghosts.org/faq/5-10.html)

photographing a ghost
http://www.ghosts.org/faq/5-8.html

creepy... try the investigation photographs in this link, start from the last(no photos in the first few entries)
and also go through the non-investigation photographs.. ghosts or nott.. i already have a wierd feeling around me..

http://www.ghost-investigators.com/photographs/photographs.php

[Birdy123]

I think that our minds have to go somewhere when we die, so why not come back? However, i also think that a lot of people generally almost hope that ghosts exist as a way to reassure themselves that there's more to death than just lying in a box, what do you think??

[Green Lady]

I think a lot of people hope for it, but tend to doubt it. I've developed lots of theories over the years of why strange things happen, especially in well-lived in buildings and the best thing I can think of is that the majority of authentic supernatural occurances are much like an echo. The drama teacher once told us that we were the ghosts of the auditorium during one of his motivational speeches, and that makes some sense. The mind is a powerful thing and if enough emotions arise from it, we may be able to leave an impression upon the things around us that can be echoed into the future for years. I'm not saying this explains every strange ghost experience, but I think it can explain some, especially in the places where there is no evidence of someone dying like a new house. To things moving by themselves, this could be purely the power of the mind in some occurances or we're not alone, dun dun dun!

[Pendragon]

Ghosts might also be the result of time slips, if time is nonlinear. An event that happened in the past might be seen briefly in our time because of a fluctuation in time/space.



(http://www.ghosts.org/faq/5-10.html)I, myself, ascribe to this theory. I have seen the figure of a Confederate Soldier near the house here, and he always seems to be standing in tall grass as his legs are partially obscured. But it only happens at certain times of the year. Ghost hunters would call this residual haunting, like a recording in time that replays itself over and over.

http://www.the-atlantic-paranormal-society.com/

These guys have a good site to visit. :nod:

[smilingtearz]

nice link Pen..

this one's so.. uhmm.. creepy..
http://www.the-atlantic-paranormal-society.com/visitpics/imagepages/image8.htm

[Shakira]

I do believe in supernatural beings but I prefer to not to call them Ghosts. I call them Spirits - spirits which have not yet achieved their ultimate salvation & are, therefore, still roaming in this world.

I know many people might find my stance to be illogical or childish but my personal experiences have led me to believe this.

[umm_salama]

My sister SAlam,
You must read a book ''Exorcist tradition''. This book is wrriten by Abu Amina Bilal Philip A noted scholer . You will find all your ifs and buts in it ok. sister Have a nice day. Thank you.
sister Umm_Salama

[Truth Untold]

I believe in some psychic stuff yes. I'm Wiccan so, yeah.

[cuppajoe_9]

I'll believe it when I see it.

I imagine seeing it would be really cool, though.

[smilingtearz]

If seeing is believing....

http://paranormal.about.com/library/weekly/aa101402a.htm

[cuppajoe_9]

"I would not this believe without the sensible and true avouch of mine own eyes"

-Horatio, in Hamlet



I used to fake ghost photographs as a hobby, and none of those have done very much to convince me either way. This one, however, is by far the best:
http://paranormal.about.com/library/graphics/best_priest_lg.jpg
The rest of the image is in sharp focus, but the figure has a motion blur, and it does not look like a double exposure to my eyes.

I also like this one:
http://paranormal.about.com/library/graphics/best_hooded_lg.jpg
But I'm certain it's fake. As if actual ghosts go around with pillowcases on their heads. Is that supposed to be the ghost of a Klansman? Did he die in an explosion in a hotel laundry?

[smilingtearz]

:lol: :lol:.. quite possible..

[Pendragon]

There is one thing you all should know about me. I'm hard to convince. Many things that have ghost hunters swooning are of no use to me. Orbs do not convince me, at least none I've ever seen taken. No picture of a supposed light anomaly has convinced me, nor one of a vortex. Few ghost pictures have.

I don't live a mile from one of the most haunted spots in Southwest VA, The Old Stone Tavern on Highway 11. They do not encourage visitors, and refuse to try to reopen the inn, a historical landmark, because something bad has always happened every time. It's not too far a drive to Brown Mountain, NC, where the famous Brown Mountain Lights have been appearing for centuries and have yet to be explained. In Abingdon, arguably, SW VA's oldest town, The world famous Martha Washington Inn, is haunted. I know of several haunted houses of note in the area.

I have seen ghosts, or whatever, and I subscribe to residual haunting theory. This is like a recording in time that replays when conditions are correct. Or possibly, it’s a point where the time stream overlaps at intervals, allowing you to see a past event. You would, by checking into the history of the place, find that those people thought it haunted, because they saw you.

The guys at TAPS, the link I gave Smilingtears have captured some wild things on their investigations. They go into one from the viewpoint of there’s probably a good explanation for this, non-paranormal. They have captured on film some things that would blow your mind. Ultimately, you choose to believe or not. I can go to the average ghost picture site, and because photography is a hobby, tell you how they did some of the more obvious fakes. Others, I might have to have the negative to assure no tampering was done. Some, I’ll admit I don’t know.

Happy hauntings! ;)

[thevintagepiper]

I don't believe in ghosts, but I do believe that dead people's spirits can be called up...however, I also believe this is only by the power of the devil and very wrong.

I gotta say I do love that song by Tegan and Sara though....

"I was walking with a ghost
I said please, please don't insist...."

[Pendragon]

I am not big on mediums, (people who call up spirits and converse with them) myself. But some do not call up anyone, the spirit is there, they can see and hear what others cannot. Few have ever impressed me at all.

As soon as a Psychic asks a leading question, such as "Does the name Robert have meaning for you?” I become skeptical. Fishing is what I call that.
Unknown to you, you will tell him/her things that he/she will then deduce and amaze you, since you don't recognize the game. The Psychic that makes statements, sure that he/she is correct in what he/she is saying gets my vote. There is a lot of fakery out there. This doesn't mean everything is faked.
;)

[sHaRp12]

I do not believe in ghosts one bit. These personal occurences many of you seem to have are probably mind tricks or some other weird formation. I see ghosts as kind of silly subjects. And Im surprised that so many of you voted yes. In an enviroment filled with intelligent reasonable people I find that surprising. Ghosts are rubbish fictional characters made popular by main stream entertainment. Ugh! I just cant get over how some of you are so naive!

Science shall disprove, or prove all.

[Pendragon]

I do not believe in ghosts one bit. These personal occurences many of you seem to have are probably mind tricks or some other weird formation. I see ghosts as kind of silly subjects. And Im surprised that so many of you voted yes. In an enviroment filled with intelligent reasonable people I find that surprising. Ghosts are rubbish fictional characters made popular by main stream entertainment. Ugh! I just cant get over how some of you are so naive!

Science shall disprove, or prove all.Well, opposing views are always welcome. Without cynicism, most things in which people believe would have fallen apart long ago. The voice of the cynic, the one who dares to question, is what keeps those who believe on the path, because they feel they have something to prove now. That there are things that are far from easy to explain is my own viewpoint, and my vote is "not in the usual sense". Still I have seen and experienced things I cannot explain.

I live about a half-mile (straight line, not by road), from an historical tavern. It remains closed, despite efforts to reopen it several times. It has a haunted reputation; and the owners refuse to even say much about it. I'd love to go inside and check it out. It is centuries old. But, que sera, sera. People will believe what they believe, and you cannot shake them.

Science has some explanations and they are solid. But it's not that far to Brown Mountain, NC, famous for its Ghost Lights. I have yet to hear an explanation that will hold water. They don't know what causes the lights. Are they ghosts? I really don't think so. But what are they? That, we just don't know. They have appeared on that mountain as long as man can remember. Everyone's tried to explain them. Nobody has come up with a good reason for them. They're wild to see... :nod:

[Danika_Valin]

I don't know if I believe in "ghosts," but I do believe in strange circumstances that cannot be explained by science. I've had "unique experiences," and even though there are paranormal terms and theories to describe various phenomena, I don't know how to describe what happened. I don't know how to explain it. Do souls of dead people still roam the earth? Could be, but maybe not. Do tragic events leave a psychic imprint on the places they take place? Who knows. All I can say is that there are things that I can't understand and they don't seem to have any rational explanation. Maybe there isn't a rational explanation, or maybe I just haven't found one.

[Ryan_002]

Ghosts exist as a matter of perspective, as a form of interpretating the world, in the way that Gods do. However, the fact that something is of a cultural or psychological origin does not mean it is less real. Hence, ghosts are real.

[Ancestor]

Wow, you leave for a while and a thread really builds up which is all good. Lately I have run into people saying that someone whom has seen a ghost or Spirit which I perfer to call them is mentally ill. It is a touchy subject but for I know that Spirits do exist and that it is not a figment of my imagination. I also feel the energy that humans who are alive have and when they are deceased. I for one wonder how many people truly think outside the box we place ourselves in.

[Embarr]

alot of those pictures that are supposedly ghosts don't really convince me. I especially don't like the orbs and votex stuff. One person made a book about their paranormal experiences and put a few of the pictures they'd taken into it. They placed a sample of a room where dust had been disturbed and one that hadn't. The one that hadn't was suppose to hold the real orbs but to me the dust one looked just the same. People see a difference because they want to. And they had taken a picture of a votex in their book but anyone with enough sense would have seen that it was just part of a spiderweb really close to the lense. Strange things in pictures can be easily explained without turning to the paranormal. If it was an apparition that appeared in the photo (so long as it isn't tampered with) I'd probably believe that. Anything else I'm a skeptic to.

[Pendragon]

For the record, I'm not thrilled by pictures of orbs or vortex shots as they are almost certainly either dust, water, snowflakes, in the case of orbs, and camera straps, fingers, and strings in the case of vortex shots. Few ghost pictures I have ever seen impressed me at all. And here is a point I wish to make: Why do people assume that it has to be dark for a ghost to manifest itself? If they are, as many claim, not aware that they are even dead, why would they be afraid of the daylight? If you go on the hypothesis that what you see is a glitch in the fabric of time, again daylight has no place where you must factor it in. I've seen things I could not explain in broad daylight, in well lit houses, and felt the weird feelings. So, why do you need to "go dark"?

[Embarr]

Because it's far more mysterious :D .

I think I've come across a few pictures that were taken in daylight. I don't know if they were real or not, but you never know. Maybe it's just easier to see them when it's dark? Of course, this would suggest that they give off some sort of light.

As far as pictures go, I'm a big skeptic but they are fun to look at occasionally. One of my sisters had a strange experience once though, and so did my mom so I'm willing to believe them. My sis was lying in bed one night and she felt something brush her leg and then suddenly the light came on in her room. It's one of those lights that has a remote control so there wasn't any flipping of switches. Then my mom was at a hotel and she felt something small, like a child, get up on the bed and lay behind her like it was cuddling up. There was something freaky with the shower and tub in her room too. Shower would suddenly get cold, and the jets in the tub would suddenly go off on her. And cliche of all cliches in scary stories, she was on the 13th floor.

[Virgil]

While I beleive in an after life and spirituality, God, and even angels, but I do not believe in paranormal. Sorry.

[Embarr]

how 'bout loved ones watching over us? I would think they'd occasionally want to see how we're doing or something like that.

[PierreGringoire]

I don't see ghosts. Is there something wrong with me?

[subterranean]

I also like this one:
http://paranormal.about.com/library/graphics/best_hooded_lg.jpg
But I'm certain it's fake. As if actual ghosts go around with pillowcases on their heads. Is that supposed to be the ghost of a Klansman? Did he die in an explosion in a hotel laundry?


Funny stuff, Joe :lol:
He looks familiar.

[Pendragon]

I don't see ghosts. Is there something wrong with me?
You sound fairly normal to me, mon ami! I always think the things I have seen were some type of time wrinkle or something, not a dead person come back. There are sme weird places out there though, that I really have no desire to explore and see what's going on, more power to those who do! :p



I also like this one:
http://paranormal.about.com/library/graphics/best_hooded_lg.jpg
But I'm certain it's fake. As if actual ghosts go around with pillowcases on their heads. Is that supposed to be the ghost of a Klansman? Did he die in an explosion in a hotel laundry?
That one has been floating around (hee-hee) out there for a long while. I've never been impressed. Even if you assume the white area to be a skull, why would the figure be so out of shape-- elongated? No, this one hits my list of fakes in a hurry. The Ghost Hunters (TAPS) based in Rhode Island, have a TV show, and I've seen some impressive footage. And they've caught some fakes, someone messed with their equipment once to fake a bed unmaking itself. They thought they had good footage, but a sharp-eyed member of the crew caught the pause in the action where the faker had stopped the camera.

[Kareniyna]

"I'm open minded on the subject. I've also had odd occurrences to totally discount ghosts or the paranormal - but then again there's always the very slim possibilty that it's all in my head.[/QUOTE]

have experienced and felt the same. Wonder how many ppl experience unusual occurrences and wonder if it's "all in their head"? What would it take to 'convince' one?

[tiny explorer]

i always thought things like that are just the creation of our wild minds...but if you come to see one,you'll barely believe!like me...wheew,i never thought it was really true till i come to see one.no it wasn't just an imagination.


I don't see ghosts. Is there something wrong with me?

i wish i dont see ghosts too!!! that's a bit normal and that will be better! at least i won't worry to see one in an unfortunate moment.

[Ancestor]

Lately I have seen a full apparition which is a bit unusual for me although it does not frighten me since I have always been sensitive to spirits all my life.

[blacksheep]

i see/hear/feel "paranormal" stuff and i used to believe in the paranormal. which is why i joined the forum at ghosts.org. anyone interested in the paranormal should check it out. now i believe that i have a more than slightly perturbed mind.

[Pendragon]

i see/hear/feel "paranormal" stuff and i used to believe in the paranormal. which is why i joined the forum at ghosts.org. anyone interested in the paranormal should check it out. now i believe that i have a more than slightly perturbed mind.Why? Because someone else told you that you were being delusional? I have seen very little in the way of evidence that I find convincing, and many things that I don't believe to be faked, could have been, if one knew how. Now comes a good question. The people out there that claim that personal experiences are not to be taken as evidence are the same ones that would sit on a jury and sentence a criminal to death based on eyewitness testimony, which they would call "rock solid evidence." Is this a double-standard or what? :rolleyes: If it fits what they want to prove, yes, eyewitness account is perfect evidence. If it fits something they deny existence, "Oh, the mind plays tricks, and one is so easily fooled in to thinking one saw this or that but when examined by a rational mind (skeptic), it falls apart easily. Yas, you see what you want, don't you? ;)

[statman]

I am a scientist who considers all hypotheses untrue unless they are overcome by consistent experimental evidence to the contrary. "Ghosts exist" is an hypothesis that has been tested many times with results that do not allow, using the rules of science, a rejection of the null hypothesis, i.e., that ghosts no not exist. Antecdotal evidence from personal experience notoriously is unreliable.

[Ancestor]

As a person whom believes through personal experience I can tell you that somethings you just cannot prove through science. I do however believe that people whom are skeptic need to express their opinions to help balance out the issues of life. I cannot explain how I knew certian things without having the schooling to back it up. I can sense cancer and serious illness within people when there is now logical way I should be able to. What happens when we do not yet have the science to back up what we know to be true when a doctor confirms what you already knew without any medical knowledge?

[cuppajoe_9]

Again, I have to point out that you cannot 'prove' anything in science. Proofs happen in logic and math. What you do in science is develop a theory that explains all the available evidence.

[blacksheep]

pendragon, i hope i don't see what I want to see. I think that I think I'm insane because insanity runs in my family. my mother saw ghosts of her mother. my grandma has sleepwalked to cemetaries and was caught digging at a random grave while she was asleep. she was diagnosed with schizophrenia and other random diseases and was put into an asylum. when she was released, she commited suicide for unknown reasons. my mom... well, she's crazy. I hope I'm not crazy but the appearances of paranormal activity seem to fit precisely into my mood and embarrasingly, my period cycles. I have never seen anything completely solid. I've hear mostly whispers or voices that are indistinguishable. and lots of music. Whenever I do see anything, it's in the dark.
well, at least that means i havent gotten to be as insane as my grandma who saw stuff everywhere...
(don't tell me to go see a psychologist)

[Pendragon]

pendragon, i hope i don't see what I want to see. I think that I think I'm insane because insanity runs in my family. my mother saw ghosts of her mother. my grandma has sleepwalked to cemetaries and was caught digging at a random grave while she was asleep. she was diagnosed with schizophrenia and other random diseases and was put into an asylum. when she was released, she commited suicide for unknown reasons. my mom... well, she's crazy. I hope I'm not crazy but the appearances of paranormal activity seem to fit precisely into my mood and embarrasingly, my period cycles. I have never seen anything completely solid. I've hear mostly whispers or voices that are indistinguishable. and lots of music. Whenever I do see anything, it's in the dark.
well, at least that means i havent gotten to be as insane as my grandma who saw stuff everywhere...
(don't tell me to go see a psychologist)Since you asked me not to, I won't ask you to go. But consider this. If you are aware that an predisposure to this type of illness runs in your family, and there has already been one suicide, don't you think that you might need to get some help? I know that having to admit to a problem is hard, I have bi-polar with severe complications that make me unemployable, so I'm classified as disabled. I must take more than 14 pills daily (after my latest increase in medication, about a week ago.) I have an IQ of 140. I am shunned by many, that's true. Their loss, not mine. All I will ask is don't let this thing go so far that it destroys you because you fear getting help. If I can talk to you and help in any way here's my e-mail [email protected] Just mention blacksheep in the "about" line. Otherwise my e-mail filter might toss it. I'll be praying for you.

Pen


I have seen very little in the way of evidence that I find convincing, and many things that I don't believe to be faked, could have been, if one knew how. Now comes a good question. The people out there that claim that personal experiences are not to be taken as evidence are the same ones that would sit on a jury and sentence a criminal to death based on eyewitness testimony, which they would call "rock solid evidence." Is this a double-standard or what?



I am a scientist who considers all hypotheses untrue unless they are overcome by consistent experimental evidence to the contrary. "Ghosts exist" is an hypothesis that has been tested many times with results that do not allow, using the rules of science, a rejection of the null hypothesis, i.e., that ghosts no not exist. Antecdotal evidence from personal experience notoriously is unreliable.

Didn't take very long to prove that statement at all. The Dragon rests the case. Let our scientist sit on a jury, and eyewitness testimony be all the evidence they have to present, and then see if it becomes "Notoriously Unreliable."

[Ancestor]

Again, I have to point out that you cannot 'prove' anything in science. Proofs happen in logic and math. What you do in science is develop a theory that explains all the available evidence.

When there is a scientific test that can prove I knew before a doctor even saw my Sister what medical condition she had. I have no way of knowing about such things since I never studied medicine. You only have my word and I know today one's word is not worth anything but that is all I can give.

[Shadowsarin]

I'm open on the subject, but very skeptical. Too many people have faked and such in the past for it to be wise to blindly believe anything. However, to be utterly honest, if I could know for ceirtain there were Ghosts and such, I would rarther not know. I get scared worryingly easily by these things.

[Niamh]

I voted yes because i have had a few paranormal experiences.

[Kelly_Sprout]

Throughout time, and from all corners of the world, all forms of religion have had one thing in common: a belief in a spiritual realm that cannot be discerned, measured, or explained by the physical or natural world. It doesn't matter if you consider aboriginal native beliefs, prehistory peoples, death rituals, the mythologies of the Greeks, Romans, Babylonians or Chinese, the leading religions of the world such as Buddaism, Hinduism, Islam, Christianity, or the emerging religions of the future such as Scientology or what I sometimes refer to as "Starwarism" (as in "Use the force, Luke!").

How can so many people and cultures, some of them completely isolated from the others, in time, in geography, and in philosophy, all have the same idea that there is "another world out there" which has no physical properties, but rather, contains the essence or spirit of everything, and that this spiritual realm can interact with the physical realm, even though the physical realm cannot interact with the spiritual realm?

With our western devotion to science, we call this imaginary spiritual realm "the paranormal" because we cannot interact with it, sense it, or measure it in any meaningful, scientific way. Ah, but by that definition, our very thoughts must also be called "the paralogical" because there is no scientific way to measure, observe or prove thoughts, either. Therefore, I call arguments both pro and con about the existance of ghosts, spirits, the paranormal and the unexplained, "Paralogical discussions."

There is far too much diversity in the physical realm -- from the expanding universe to elemental atoms with specific properties that, when combined with other elemental atoms into molecules, exhibit completely unrelated properties, to the origins of life, to the definition of life, to the duration of life, to relativity to special relativity, to the very real probability that there are many more (perhaps endlessly more) dimensions than the four we can observe -- to dismiss the idea that a spiritual realm might also exist.

So, do I believe in ghosts? No.

Do I believe in what ghosts are about? Yes.

[brainstrain]

I believe that hautings and such things are rediculous, and created to bring tourists. But to an extent I do believe in the paranormal. Most people at my church see believing in the paranormal as ungodly, but Jesus cast out demons and such didn't he? I believe that could be classified as supernatural.

I'm not sure what I believe, and I doubt I will ever need to decide. As long as tennis balls dont start following me around I think indecision is fine ^_^

I am, as always, open-minded.

[pjohara]

If you are a person that reads and places value in Holy Scripture, there is account given of spiritual beings existing. Some of them have been referred to as "Demons"; e.g., the third of the angels that joined Satan, Adam and Eve in the rebellion against God.

The term "ghost" is, I believe, an older word meaning a "spirit".

As for the paranormal, there is a large body of literature and much research being done in this area, like parapsychology. There is also testimony to the affects/effects of unseen forces operating about us. We cannot see some of the electromagnetic spectrum with our eyes, but with certain instruments we can. Also, we can sense/feel this radiation (and other forces) at times as many persons have testified.

[farnoosh]

ok,i know this sounds a little bit crazy,but i have nightmares about ghosts and zombies and vampires and,etc.and i think they are real!!!
Take a look..
(these things are from my computer,but my sister got them from the internet .if i found out wich site it is I'll give it to you).

[NikolaiI]

Mm, I didn't look, but what's wrong with that? If you don't have something big in your life going on or changing, then you don't have to worry about them. It's more important what is going in your waking life. Your dreams should fade away, I should think. - er, I know that that sounds bad, but you know what I mean. I don't mean dreams as in aspirations, but tell me, are your nightmares a problem? I have nightmares occasionally but seldom. I don't think there's any problem.

Or do you mean when you wake up you think that you have actually been visited by ghosts and zombies?

I'm sure I've had zombie dreams, hell I've watched 28 days later enough times for that. Lately I haven't really been remembering my dreams.

[farnoosh]

I feel them in my room ,its horrible!

[BulletproofDork]

It's interesting to see what people have to say. . .
I actually voted no, (I'm a Christian), until I realized that Satan, is ,I guess, a sort of demon.
Hmmmmm. . . . .:)

[Bakiryu]

Yes, I can read palms and sometimes I swear there are faces in the nights. It sounds stupid but true.

[LadyWentworth]

Well, I am a 100% firm believer in ghosts/spirits (whatever you choose to call them).

I have just had too many different experiences with them to not be anything but a believer. Then there are the experiences that other family members have experienced that make you believe.

The house we all grew up in really had some stuff happen. Then there are incidents at other places (i.e. my Gettysburg moment - yes, I had one!).

I try not to talk about it too much, though, because I swear people think I am crazy. Like I said, though, other people I know have had experiences, too.

When I was talking to a co-worker about it a few years ago, my boss overheard and just said "Noooo". I looked at her and said "What would I gain by lying? I sure as hell don't want the attention over something like that!!".

So, having said all that, again, yes I will say that I beleive!

[stephofthenight]

my house has a ghost, a young girl died here, and she likes to move things, we have never realy been bothered by it, because she just moves silverwear, opens drawers, moves keys, we once found all of our keys, cell phones and wallets in the freezer. verry strange seeings how we have a bowl on the oposite end of the house where all of that goes lol.

[Demian]

I believe in the Otherworld. But since our perceptions of it are seen 'through a glass darkly' what I'd really like to know is if ghosts (spirits) believe in us.


Why? Because someone else told you that you were being delusional? I have seen very little in the way of evidence that I find convincing, and many things that I don't believe to be faked, could have been, if one knew how. Now comes a good question. The people out there that claim that personal experiences are not to be taken as evidence are the same ones that would sit on a jury and sentence a criminal to death based on eyewitness testimony, which they would call "rock solid evidence." Is this a double-standard or what? :rolleyes: If it fits what they want to prove, yes, eyewitness account is perfect evidence. If it fits something they deny existence, "Oh, the mind plays tricks, and one is so easily fooled in to thinking one saw this or that but when examined by a rational mind (skeptic), it falls apart easily. Yas, you see what you want, don't you? ;)

"For those who believe, no evidence is necesarry. For those that do not, none shall suffice."
-Source unknown

Seeing is not believing. Believing is seeing.

[NikolaiI]

Well yes, but that's why they say the accounts are not to be taken as evidence...the mind makes patterns, it sees them in everything, the clouds, the cereal, the grass, rocks, trees...ooh, especially trees. I used to have a tree I thought was somehow a person or something, it was right outside my window and I thought it was sentient.

I don't believe in Ghosts, or Faeries, but my mind isn't closed about them. I have other ideas that fall into similar lines...but I don't really think there's anything supernatural or paranormal. If there are ghosts, then they are natural and normal, and are meant to be here. Unless they are people who stayed because of un-finished business, and all that, but that seems so far fetched to me..

[LadyWentworth]

I've always felt that ghosts/spirits basically never made it to the "other side" (wherever that is!) because of the way that they had died. Generally that would be in a tragic way. So, their souls are unsettled. Then I do believe that there are the ones that don't really realize that they are gone.

I can't help it. As I've said before, just too many things have happened in my life and other mambers of my family. I can't be anything but a believer.

[Gadget Girl]

Yes, I do believe in them, but I don't really think about them most of the times because the more you think, the more it becomes true and that makes me shiver. :cold:

[Pensive]

A friend once said, "I am paranormal myself!" I would go with that one. :p

[Niamh]

I believe in ghosts. I took this in the Blair Street vaults in Edinburgh. What ya think?:p
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q268/niamhking/edinburgh/edinburgh075.jpg

[AimusSage]

I believe in ghosts. I took this in the Blair Street vaults in Edinburgh. What ya think?:p
I think if there is a fire one needs to exit to the left. Not seeing any ghosts though.

[Niamh]

maybe its just me then. I can see a dark shadowy figure under the arch. ANd there was no one esle there as i was the last person through the arch and i keep feeling like there was someone behind me......

[Lote-Tree]

No. There is no paranormal. There is only normal.

Things we can't explain is regarded as Paranormal.

But once explained - it is regarded as normal.

Paranormal is the unknown. But when the unknown becomes known it is not paranormal anymore....

[Niamh]

No. There is no paranormal. There is only normal.

Things we can't explain is regarded as Paranormal.

But once explained - it is regarded as normal.

Paranormal is the unknown. But when the unknown becomes known it is not paranormal anymore....

Oddly enough Lote, i think i have to agree with this statement.( Yeap theres a first for everything...:p )

[AimusSage]

maybe its just me then. I can see a dark shadowy figure under the arch. ANd there was no one esle there as i was the last person through the arch and i keep feeling like there was someone behind me......
Now that you mention it, there is a bit of a darker part in the stones beneath the arch, but I wouldn't call it a ghost.

[Lote-Tree]

Yeap theres a first for everything...:p )

LOL :D

My thoughts are nought but your own thoughts in sound
And my deeds your hopes in action :D

[Niamh]

Now that you mention it, there is a bit of a darker part in the stones beneath the arch, but I wouldn't call it a ghost.

Probably isnt but i'm gonna keep pretending all the same!:p Very eerie place though! Was surrounded by the smell of stale whiskey and sweat at one point as well. Thought i was imagining things until the tour guide told us all that some times people sense this very smell. I am a bit clairsentient anyway....and cliraudient....

[AimusSage]

Probably isnt but i'm gonna keep pretending all the same!:p Very eerie place though! Was surrounded by the smell of stale whiskey and sweat at one point as well. Thought i was imagining things until the tour guide told us all that some times people sense this very smell. I am a bit clairsentient anyway....and cliraudient....
All this extra sensory perception makes the mind go round and round in circles. :) Just don't let an American TV producer know, they'll want you in one of their silly paranormal TV shows. :eek: :p

[Niamh]

All this extra sensory perception makes the mind go round and round in circles. :) Just don't let an American TV producer know, they'll want you in one of their silly paranormal TV shows. :eek: :p

Actually i'd love that!:lol: :D (but not one of the american ones... That girly ghost hunters is the worst programme i've seen on telly in a long time!)
I'm jealous of the most haunted crew. If only they needed an Ex Archaeologist bookseller!:rolleyes: One can dream!

[LadyWentworth]

That girly ghost hunters is the worst programme i've seen on telly in a long time!

I'm jealous of the most haunted crew.


What "girly ghost hunters" show is that?

I would LOVE to be on "Most Haunted"!! I have tried to win the trip to go to the UK for the Halloween "Most Haunted Live" event. I, of course, didn't win!! I NEVER win anything! So, I am hoping that they offer it again. I won't give up! I will try again!

Then I wanted to enter the "Ghost Hunters" (Sci-Fi channel program) contest to be the next ghost hunter with TAPS. Of course I couldn't enter that because I had absolutely NOBODY to help me out with sending in a film of myself. You had to either do it over the internet or send in a DVD of yourself. I couldn't do either one. I know no one who has the capability to do either one of those things.

Then there is finally a paranormal investigation team in the state where I live that is affiliated with TAPS (the first one in the state so far). They recently accepted new applicants, but I couldn't apply. You have to live within 60 miles from the town where the headquarters is located. I live 3 hours away!

Life is SO tough sometimes :(

[Niamh]

There is a programme that does sometimes be on living tv called Girly Ghost Hunters. Its really bad. I'd also love to be on most haunted live.:(

[Sweets America]

I was wondering what you thought about paranormal phenomena:
Do you believe in ghosts/telepathy/past lives/telekinesy... and other kinds of strange things?
Are you afraid of that?
Have you already witnessed an event/phenomenon that you have not been able to explain?
If not, would you like to witness one?

Personally I have always wanted to go to houses which are said to be haunted, out of curiosity. I am intrigued with the unknown.

EDIT: Ok, my thread was useless.:( :( :bawling: The only thread I make is useless, nice. :)

[PrinceMyshkin]

I was wondering what you thought about paranormal phenomena:
Do you believe in ghosts/telepathy/past lives/telekinesy... and other kinds of strange things?
Are you afraid of that?
Have you already witnessed an event/phenomenon that you have not been able to explain?
If not, would you like to witness one?

Personally I have always wanted to go to houses which are said to be haunted, out of curiosity. I am intrigued with the unknown.

EDIT: Ok, my thread was useless.:( :( :bawling: The only thread I make is useless, nice. :)

Yes, it's very disappointing when one starts a thread - especially if one hasn't done so before - only to have it be combined with some other one; although in this case the two are indeed similar.

But, to answer your question: No, I have never witnessed what might be considered a paranormal phenomenon and though I prefer to think of myself as open-minded, I would NOT want to witness one as it would be a cataclysmic challenge to my essentially materialistic view of the world.

[Sweets America]

Yes, it's very disappointing when one starts a thread - especially if one hasn't done so before - only to have it be combined with some other one; although in this case the two are indeed similar.

But, to answer your question: No, I have never witnessed what might be considered a paranormal phenomenon and though I prefer to think of myself as open-minded, I would NOT want to witness one as it would be a cataclysmic challenge to my essentially materialistic view of the world.

Thanks. :p
I am open minded too, and I would love seing a strange event. I have no materialistic view of the world. :p

Oh, I am thinking: maybe if I created a thread about these sweet creatures that are Platypuses, it would not be moved? I'm sure nobody else has talked about Platypuses. :D

[PrinceMyshkin]

Thanks. :p
I am open minded too, and I would love seing a strange event. I have no materialistic view of the world. :p

Oh, I am thinking: maybe if I created a thread about these sweet creatures that are Platypuses, it would not be moved? I'm sure nobody else has talked about Platypuses. :D

YES! Platypuses have been totally overlooked on this site! We are so bloody anthropocentric here!

[Niamh]

Sweets,
Any thread that is similar or of the same context of an already existing thread will be merged as par forum rules etc. That is why it is advisable to always search the forums before creating a thread. It happens everday here so dont feel hard done by because i merged yours with an already existing thread.:)
And maybe people will discuss platypus'. Stranger things have happened on this forum.:p

[dramasnot6]

A friend of mine did a world-wide quiz on Wii, there was the question "Do you believe in ghosts?". The country with the highest proportion of "yes" answers was Japan, the country with the fewest was Austria.

[Niamh]

If you can, could you get the list and maybe post the top twenty? Pretty pretty please? :angel:

[LadyWentworth]

A friend of mine did a world-wide quiz on Wii, there was the question "Do you believe in ghosts?". The country with the highest proportion of "yes" answers was Japan, the country with the fewest was Austria.


If you can, could you get the list and maybe post the top twenty? Pretty pretty please? :angel:

I was just about to say the same thing! :D So, there are two people here that would definitely love to read that! :D

[Granny5]

Being from the South, I do believe that there could possibly be souls roaming around lost. Or maybe they are watching over the ones they left behind. All things are possible. I have never seen one, but I know folks who have and I don't believe they are making things up or crazy or anything like that.

[mercy_mankind]

There are things that occur in our lives ,
we do not find a scientific explanation, because there is another world invisible to us, but things happen often indicate their presence. As for me,
I believe in jinn existence with full faith This is also part of my doctrine, the Quran talked about the jinn in more than one position, and there is a complete verse with the name of jinn



In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
[72:1]

Say (O Muhammad): It is revealed unto me that a company of the Jinn gave ear, and they said: Lo! we have heard a marvellous Qur’an,


[72:2]

Which guideth unto righteousness, so we believe in it and we ascribe no partner unto our Lord.

[72:8]
And (the Jinn who had listened to the Qur’an said): We had sought the heaven but had found it filled with strong warders and meteors.

[72:9]
And we used to sit on places (high) therein to listen. But he who listeneth now findeth a flame in wait for him;



((And we used to sit on places (high) therein to listen. But he who listeneth now findeth a flame in wait for him.))

I think that most of us saw that flame in the sky at night , that flame make a strange movement and then disappear , as if it had finished its mission.

[mazHur]

Did you ever experience supernatural phenomena ? well those of you who have experienced any unusual or mysterious happening in life which cannot be explained on scientific basis not only I would be pleased to know about it but it would also provide some food for thought to those who either don't believe in magic, clairvoyance, intuition or the like or who are skeptical about such things.

Okay, let's go!

[novelsryou]

Getting up and going to work every day seems like Deja Vu all over again.

[blazeofglory]

Every day I have a mysterious feeling. I had indeed experienced them.
Everything in the world is a mysterious phenomenon, and we all are mysterious beings.

[The Atheist]

Did you ever experience supernatural phenomena ? well those of you who have experienced any unusual or mysterious happening in life which cannot be explained on scientific basis ...


How would someone know whether what they saw/felt/heard cannot be explained by science?

A person would need to be an expert at a large number of sciences to state that science could not possibly explain it. Maybe a theoretical neurosurgeon and psychologist with a PhD in phsyics and a strong interest in the action of light on the human retina, but for 99.99999% of people, the proposition is quite meaningless.

When people say that something is "beyond science", that usually equates to "I can't explain it." Another point is that humans make shocking eyewitnesses. Ask any cop about the complete unreliability of eyewitness testimony.

Still, good idea for a subject, I'm always keen to explore stories of supposedly supernatural phenomena.


...not only I would be pleased to know about it but it would also provide some food for thought to those who either don't believe in magic, clairvoyance, intuition or the like or who are skeptical about such things.

Food for thought is right, although I have to confess that I suspect the dish is likely to be a little stale. To date, not one instance of genuine supernatural/paranormal phenomena has been shown to have happened and every claim has a rational explanation.

Let's see what comes out....

[cipherdecoy]

Déjà vu is a very common phenomenon and I think most of us have experienced it sometime in our lives. There is a scientific explanation for it I think, though I've forgotten what it was. I believe it was from one of those Time articles.

As for other supernatural phenomena, like ghosts/spirits, I haven't experienced them, and thank God I haven't :sick:

[wilbur lim]

Precisely,déjà vu is too cliche,we invariably do what we need to do what we should do virtually everyday.Phenomenon is peculiar to one,for the chosen one would suffer in anguish.I did not hitherto been through phenomenon and extraterrestrial things,unless I literally see a UFO or a ghost.But being a Christian and obey God makes that not to happen.

[mazHur]

Every day I have a mysterious feeling. I had indeed experienced them.
Everything in the world is a mysterious phenomenon, and we all are mysterious beings.

Blaze, thanks for joining in. What I am looking for is something , something 'supernatural' or 'magical'-----unexplainable and weird ---that one might have experienced personally. For example, there are reports that some people died and were taken for burial when they suddenly got up!

One gotta be something of a Poe to experience such mysteries or more!:)

[RoCKiTcZa]

I just noticed something in the number of replies and views for this thread, that when read horizontally they display the very interesting number "666." I wonder what this means? :p

[mazHur]

I just noticed something in the number of replies and views for this thread, that when read horizontally they display the very interesting number "666." I wonder what this means? :p

It means nothing! The number is now 866! :)

if you want to learn more about this superstitious belief regarding the number 666 (why seen horizontally and not verically? How would Einstein's e=mcsquare seem if read 'vertically' ??) here is a link

http://www.free-press-release.com/news/200601/1136651762.html

[LadyW]

Yes I have funnily enough, about 3 years ago now. Unfortunately, I don't think any of the close relatives or friends I told actually believed what I was saying; either that, or they put it down to a mere trick of the mind. Maybe it was... but it sure didn't seem like it at the time.

I was lying in bed, very hot and uncomfortable; I couldn't sleep at all. So I propped my pillow up, and sat there wide awake. I noticed this figure at the bottom of my bed. It looked like someone sat on the floor in a long white veil and dress. I just froze completely - I couldn't scream, I couldn't move.

Eventually I gathered myself together and threw the bedcovers over me, praying that when I got back up, it would be gone.

About 10 minutes later, I mustered the strength to uncover myself. It was still there. This time, although I was still scared, I didn't feel a need to hide; I was actually rather curious. So I crawled forward and took a closer look, it was just there gazing at me. It looked rather like an old lady with big grey eyes in this veil.

After this, I just lay back in bed and fell asleep; by morning it had gone. But there was nothing at the end of my bed that I could have mistaken to be anything else...

[mazHur]

Yes I have funnily enough, about 3 years ago now. Unfortunately, I don't think any of the close relatives or friends I told actually believed what I was saying; either that, or they put it down to a mere trick of the mind. Maybe it was... but it sure didn't seem like it at the time.

I was lying in bed, very hot and uncomfortable; I couldn't sleep at all. So I propped my pillow up, and sat there wide awake. I noticed this figure at the bottom of my bed. It looked like someone sat on the floor in a long white veil and dress. I just froze completely - I couldn't scream, I couldn't move.

Eventually I gathered myself together and threw the bedcovers over me, praying that when I got back up, it would be gone.

About 10 minutes later, I mustered the strength to uncover myself. It was still there. This time, although I was still scared, I didn't feel a need to hide; I was actually rather curious. So I crawled forward and took a closer look, it was just there gazing at me. It looked rather like an old lady with big grey eyes in this veil.

After this, I just lay back in bed and fell asleep; by morning it had gone. But there was nothing at the end of my bed that I could have mistaken to be anything else...

intersting experience, LadyW but it sounds more like a dream,,,,,,or perhaps hallucination

We all talk about magic , mysteries and weird but there's hardly anyone who has physically happened to deal with them in real life. I experienced one ----unexpalined one,,,before several living witnesses and it still amazes me as to how that could have happened?? That was a REAL mystery!

[papayahed]

Food for thought is right, although I have to confess that I suspect the dish is likely to be a little stale. To date, not one instance of genuine supernatural/paranormal phenomena has been shown to have happened and every claim has a rational explanation.

Let's see what comes out....

Wow, now that's a bold statement, every single instance? How do you quantify that?

[mazHur]

Wow, now that's a bold statement, every single instance? How do you quantify that?

Yes, I went through the experience personally and physically in the presence of several witnesses,,,I still can't figure out how that could happen?

I tried the 'experiment' again at a friend's house, though the result was not as good as before but it left everyone present with their mouths open!

[LadyW]

intersting experience, LadyW but it sounds more like a dream,,,,,,or perhaps hallucination

No it definitely wasn't a dream, but I'm willing to except it was a hallucination... who knows, really :) But it was certainly an experience - real or not, haha.

[blazeofglory]

I had moments like this

[wilbur lim]

I did not hitherto see a UFO before.These extraterrestrial aliens in the UFO reputed curse some people and make them psycho or suddenly loss their consciousness.Aliens would apparently rule the Earth,is it genuine or a myth?

[manolia]

No it definitely wasn't a dream, but I'm willing to except it was a hallucination... who knows, really :) But it was certainly an experience - real or not, haha.

I had a similar experience many times in my life. I don't believe in supernatular phenomena so i asked a friend of mine, a doctor, and he told me that there is a state of sleep where you actually sleep with your eyes half open and you are not exactly asleep (something in the middle) and you have a consciousness of the world around you and make it part of your dream. This happens in periods of stress etc..he told me what the name of this state is but i forgot both the name and the full explanation. Anyway what i saw all these times is somewhat what you explained in your previous post..a strange distorted face, wringled and veiled, possibly threatening..the doctor said that what i really saw was my bedsheets which at this point may have taken a weird shape. My half sleeping mind turned those bedsheets into a face ;)

[blazeofglory]

Things happen and science follow in to define them.

[mazHur]

Things happen and science follow in to define them.


No, Blaze, no. Science is still inchoate and 'swinging in Nature's cradle''!

There are yet no explanations to many many mysteries of the physical and paranatural phenomena! Just look aroud and you will be more than amazed!

[The Atheist]

Wow, now that's a bold statement, every single instance? How do you quantify that?

Because most, if not all, paranormal claims have been investigated and not one has had any believable evidence whatsoever.

Even the Parapsychological Association admits that almost all cases of paramormality are false, but that their own results are true, however, upon verification, the PA results themselves have been shown to be wrongly interpreted.

I'm pretty comfortable in claiming that not one single instance of paranormality remains unsolved.

[mazHur]

Because most, if not all, paranormal claims have been investigated and not one has had any believable evidence whatsoever.

Even the Parapsychological Association admits that almost all cases of paramormality are false, but that their own results are true, however, upon verification, the PA results themselves have been shown to be wrongly interpreted.

I'm pretty comfortable in claiming that not one single instance of paranormality remains unsolved.


I am witness to a paranormal scene

Wild healthy and active pigeons loosely held in hand when released were not able to take off for considerable time,,,,some took upto one hour, others more,and some could only flit,,very few could take a straight dive into the sky,,,and the one that was first 'touched' couldn't even move! Instead, his eyes bulged out, red as fire, he trembled and his neck elongated to double its length so I could count every digit of his vertebrae, his feathers fluffed, the shine of his feathers dulled down to a deadly fade! I shoes him, shouted , made noise but nothing would make him budge, He was just dying!


It was horrible. All this happened in the presence of 6 other people in my house! I picked up the dying pigeon and gently placed him in the open so that he could get away. But ot my amazement he just couldnt move! My staff and I stood afar watching as to what happened next but the weird bird won't move from its place! Then suddently a cat then a dog tried to approach him but to our amazement they turned back after taking a few steps ahead and went their way without coming near the bird! The place where the bird 'stood' was an open field ,,,,,,with no other people or noise there! this happened about 12 years ago!

How would my friends here explain this? Atleast i can't figure out what happened to the bird and why the bird could'nt fly,,,why it began to die??:D

[papayahed]

Because most, if not all, paranormal claims have been investigated and not one has had any believable evidence whatsoever.


seriously? that's your response to "How do you quantify that?". Your response is almost as good as saying "because I said so"?




Even the Parapsychological Association admits that almost all cases of paramormality are false, but that their own results are true, however, upon verification, the PA results themselves have been shown to be wrongly interpreted.

I'm pretty comfortable in claiming that not one single instance of paranormality remains unsolved

1) huh?
2) got links?

[Shalot]

A ghost threw a hairspray lid at me when I was 12. I was in the bathroom alone. The hairspray lid was on the tub and it hit me on the back. I was standing up which means that the hairspray lid did not FALL from anywhere. If it wasn't a ghost, I don't know what it could have been. It could have been a fast moving alien or something I suppose. Or a strange isolated gust of wind that originated in the bathroom.

[The Atheist]

seriously? that's your response to "How do you quantify that?". Your response is almost as good as saying "because I said so"?
1) huh?
2) got links?

No, I was explaining that many genuine researchers have investigated claims of paranormality. I'd hoped people would research it themselves.

However, links I have, in spades.

I find the best place to start is with the Parapsychological Association (http://www.parapsych.org/).

Then move on to Richard Wiseman (http://richardwiseman.com/), paranormal research and professor at Hertfordshire University in UK.

Another superb reference site is Susan Blackmore (http://www.susanblackmore.co.uk/), former psychic herself, now a paranormal & psychological researcher and visiting lecturer at Uni of West England.

Then the world's largest and best resource on failures of paranormality, James Randi, http://www.randi.org/ who's spent over half a century debunking frauds and offering huge money challenges to any person able to display a paranormal ability.


A ghost threw a hairspray lid at me when I was 12. I was in the bathroom alone. The hairspray lid was on the tub and it hit me on the back. I was standing up which means that the hairspray lid did not FALL from anywhere. If it wasn't a ghost, I don't know what it could have been. It could have been a fast moving alien or something I suppose. Or a strange isolated gust of wind that originated in the bathroom.

This is great - exactly the sort of thing which crops up.

There is one potential rational possibility you missed. All aerosol cans have plastic lids which "snap" on. If it isn't put on properly, it can spring off using the kinetic energy stored in the plastic, which is twisted and under pressure. When they flip off, they can travel several metres.

Not likely to be a gust of wind or alien. (Aliens never use the bathroom)

:D

[Shalot]

This is great - exactly the sort of thing which crops up.

There is one potential rational possibility you missed. All aerosol cans have plastic lids which "snap" on. If it isn't put on properly, it can spring off using the kinetic energy stored in the plastic, which is twisted and under pressure. When they flip off, they can travel several metres.

Not likely to be a gust of wind or alien. (Aliens never use the bathroom)

:D

That's a good theory except that it wasn't aerosol. It was Rave super hold in the pump bottle and the lid wasn't on the bottle. it was on the tub. And a curious alien who is observing earthlings might hang out in the john just to see what us humans are up to. It could happen. :D

[papayahed]

No, I was explaining that many genuine researchers have investigated claims of paranormality. I'd hoped people would research it themselves.

However, links I have, in spades.

I find the best place to start is with the Parapsychological Association (http://www.parapsych.org/).

Then move on to Richard Wiseman (http://richardwiseman.com/), paranormal research and professor at Hertfordshire University in UK.

Another superb reference site is Susan Blackmore (http://www.susanblackmore.co.uk/), former psychic herself, now a paranormal & psychological researcher and visiting lecturer at Uni of West England.

Then the world's largest and best resource on failures of paranormality, James Randi, http://www.randi.org/ who's spent over half a century debunking frauds and offering huge money challenges to any person able to display a paranormal ability.

Your links don't really help all that much, it's all pretty vague with tons of links to books or other websites.

[mazHur]

Your links don't really help all that much, it's all pretty vague with tons of links to books or other websites.

I challenge anybody to explain why the pigeon almost died upon touching??
Why were cat and dog scared and won't come near the dying pigeon?
Why that happened??

I am not sure but I can try that again,,,,with someone haunted!

[Poetess]

I chose "I'm open-minded on the subject as to help myself try to ignore The Paranormal, while I do believe in this.


I experience the paranormal on a daily basis, and I don`t know what to call it. It is a long story that i`m not going to bore anyone with it. But I would gladly like to share my over 11 year-old experience of it.

Apart from my experience, I have seen videos of ghosts, and a friend of mine was investigating about lol.. Well so yes, I do believe in the Paranormal.

[The Atheist]

Your links don't really help all that much, it's all pretty vague with tons of links to books or other websites.

That's because there have been millions of claims of paranormality/supernatural. You're not going to get a one-page answer to the investigations of claims.

I guarantee you that if you follow the information contained in those sites and their links, all of your questions will be answered. Those people - even the parapsychology ones - are university funded researchers with worldwide recognition as leaders in the fields of paranormality and human psychology research. (Except for James Randi - he's a magician who's spent his life investigating claims)


That's a good theory except that it wasn't aerosol. It was Rave super hold in the pump bottle and the lid wasn't on the bottle. it was on the tub. And a curious alien who is observing earthlings might hang out in the john just to see what us humans are up to. It could happen. :D

Well, I'd be fairly sure there's a rational answer in there. Without seeing the site, products and circumstances, I wouldn't know, but I used the plastic cap as an example because I know that sort of thing has happened in the past. Like pictures "jumping" off walls because something has strecthed over time.

Anything could happen, it's just how likely it is.

:)

[papayahed]

That's because there have been millions of claims of paranormality/supernatural. You're not going to get a one-page answer to the investigations of claims.

I guarantee you that if you follow the information contained in those sites and their links, all of your questions will be answered. Those people - even the parapsychology ones - are university funded researchers with worldwide recognition as leaders in the fields of paranormality and human psychology research. (Except for James Randi - he's a magician who's spent his life investigating claims)

That's the point, what I've seen from those links don't have any hard evidence that would propel me to read further.

The Richard Wiseman link has two paranormal studies listed. The results I've quoted below :

Hampton Court:


Results revealed that:

- people consistently experienced unusual sensations in certain locations

- people who believed in the existence of ghosts reported more experiences than disbelievers

- some of these experiences were caused by natural phenomena, such as subtle draughts and changes in air temperature.

- there was some tentative evidence linking the locations in which participants reported their experiences with certain types of geomagnetic activity.

The Vaults:


Results revealed that:

- people who believed in ghosts reported more experiences than disbelievers.

- participants consistently reported unusual sensations in the ‘haunted’ vaults.

- there were some correlations between the number of experiences reported in each cell and certain environmental attributes, such as air movement and the visual appearance of the vaults.

Then it goes on to say that there are two photos that contained curious anomalies which can't be explained and asking if anybody can help.


If I wanted to convince somebody I'd throw in a few statistics. "Some" is not that quantifiable.

Now if I'm suppossed to be convinced that all paranormal activity has been shown to have logical explanations then perhaps you should leave this link out.

[mazHur]

(Except for James Randi - he's a magician who's spent his life investigating claims)

what is your view of magic??

[Pensive]

If you mean 'me' by ghost/paranormal, sure. But if you mean to go by the usual definition of ghosts/magic and all that stuff, then no, I neither believe nor disbelieve in them.

[Shalot]

Well, I'd be fairly sure there's a rational answer in there. Without seeing the site, products and circumstances, I wouldn't know, but I used the plastic cap as an example because I know that sort of thing has happened in the past. Like pictures "jumping" off walls because something has strecthed over time.

Anything could happen, it's just how likely it is.

:)

I already gave you a rational explanation - a ghost was trying to get my attention and threw it at me.

[Scheherazade]

I already gave you a rational explanation - a ghost was trying to get my attention and threw it at me.Can't help wondering why the ghost especially chose a plastic cap to get your attention... There must be a significance to that, surely? Maybe the brand name or maybe the colour? Or even maybe the person the can belongs to?

Oh, this is surely case for Scherlock! :D

[The Atheist]

what is your view of magic??

One of the best forms of entertainment ever! Thank you Harry Houdini, the father of modern magic.

Just to sidetrack onto magic - which is based on illusion and trickery, no "magic" - it was actually Houdini who got me started on researching paranormality. (No, I'm not that old!) I'd been fascinated by films on Houdini as a kid and read about him, which obviously included his firm belief that the supernatural was a fraud.

Do you ever wonder why professional magicians are so vehemently anti-paranormality?

Harry Houdini, Penn Jillette, James Randi, Chris Angel, Jon Zealando, Banachek; the list just goes on and on. Almost without exception, professional magicians don't just disbelieve the paranormal, they actively challenge it constantly.

Funny how all those people who admit their magic is illusory have such disdain for charlatans.



Now if I'm suppossed to be convinced that all paranormal activity has been shown to have logical explanations then perhaps you should leave this link out.

Like I said, that's the place to start - you'd need to read his books as well. A good one with Wiseman is to Google his name - you'll find links to the meta-analysis Ganzfeld which is where the scientific research is.

I repeat, this is not something that can be explained in five minutes. The James Randi site alone would take months to go through all of the information there. While Randi's no scientist, there are thousands of links to scientific articles.

[mazHur]

i still havn't had any reply from the opponents of 'supernatural' on as to the calamity befalling the pigeon on touching! Well, that's no magic, no trick. All was extempore and is substantiated by speaking evidence.

As for professional 'magicians', they are adepts and tricksters.
Remember Disney Show,
The Hand is faster than the Eye!
It surely is!
but herre we are talking about paranormal or unusual experiences witnessed by someone and supported by solid evidence!

[The Atheist]

i still havn't had any reply from the opponents of 'supernatural' on as to the calamity befalling the pigeon on touching! Well, that's no magic, no trick. All was extempore and is substantiated by speaking evidence.


I am witness to a paranormal scene

Wild healthy and active pigeons loosely held in hand when released were not able to take off for considerable time,,,,some took upto one hour, others more,and some could only flit,,very few could take a straight dive into the sky,,,and the one that was first 'touched' couldn't even move! Instead, his eyes bulged out, red as fire, he trembled and his neck elongated to double its length so I could count every digit of his vertebrae, his feathers fluffed, the shine of his feathers dulled down to a deadly fade! I shoes him, shouted , made noise but nothing would make him budge, He was just dying!


It was horrible. All this happened in the presence of 6 other people in my house! I picked up the dying pigeon and gently placed him in the open so that he could get away. But ot my amazement he just couldnt move! My staff and I stood afar watching as to what happened next but the weird bird won't move from its place! Then suddently a cat then a dog tried to approach him but to our amazement they turned back after taking a few steps ahead and went their way without coming near the bird! The place where the bird 'stood' was an open field ,,,,,,with no other people or noise there! this happened about 12 years ago!

How would my friends here explain this? Atleast i can't figure out what happened to the bird and why the bird could'nt fly,,,why it began to die??:D

Sounds very much like the birds had been poisoned. That would go with the reaction of dogs & cats as well.

Maybe Shalot's alien/ghost was tired of throwing plastic lids and decided to kill some pigeons?

[mazHur]

Sounds very much like the birds had been poisoned. That would go with the reaction of dogs & cats as well.

Maybe Shalot's alien/ghost was tired of throwing plastic lids and decided to kill some pigeons?

No. I'm telling you the truth. I, along with 3 other men, rode to the bird market and bought 4 very healthy ,smart and wild pigeons myself. The bird seller lightly tied their feet with jute string and put them in a paper bag so that I could carry them home. Within 15 minutes I reached my house., took out a pigeon and told my wife to hold it so that I could undo the string. I had hardly undid the knot that my wife screamed, ''hey, look what's going on with the pigeon'! My other friends also saw all this happening. I told my wife not to hold the pigeon tightly at which she opened her fist and said, ''I havnt held him tight, look!" Oh, the pigeon lay on her palm unable to move,,just like a dead mouse! Finding this i told my wife to put the pigeon on the ground which she did. To the horror of all present, the pigeon 'puffed' up ist feathers, all shine having gone, he was having convulsions,his neck started elongating and i could even count his neck vertebrae, his eyes were swollen red like burning coal and protruding; he was unable to move! Sighting this no one dare touch the mysterious pigeon so i had to request my wife to pick it up and gently 'place' it outdoors. She did ,,all of us accompanied her. then we hid near out gate and watched what happened next. The haunted pigeon did not take a step here or there, just lay in the open where he was put. I saw a dog then a cat advancing towards him but suddenly both of them turned back and fled!
We waited to see what went on with the haunted pigeon until darkness began to fall. He stayed there like the' king of the dead,' still convulsing and motionless!
Next morning I went there to have a look at him but he was gone! Gone but where?? Why it took him so long to ''go'' wherever his final destination was?? Why a pye dog and a cat won't come near him?

After observing the fate of the first pigeon, i tried the experiment with the other 3 pigeons. The second one did not die but could fly when released, showing that he was affected by some unknown spell but not as much as the first pigeon. The third bird showed less degree of affection while the
fourth one when released just took a straight dive into the sky and was gone!

Again, I repeated this experiment at a friend's house in another city,,,the pigeons which he gave me could not fly but just flitted and sat for hours on a branch or wall, however none of them died or had the same deadly condition which the first bird manifested.


I still cant figure out why this happened or can even happen if I tried it again! No magic, boy!

[The Atheist]

No. I'm telling you the truth.

I'm sure you are.

The bad news is that as any court of law in the world will show you, unsupported anecdotes form only very weak evidence. What's to investigate? We have your word alone, which I'm not going to question.

If you had thought a real paranormal event had occurred, why didn't you keep the bird/s and bag and take the birds to a vet immediately? There will be any number of quite rational reasons why the whole thing may have happened, but without anything concrete, it becomes one of millions of unexplained stories.

[mazHur]

I'm sure you are.

The bad news is that as any court of law in the world will show you, unsupported anecdotes form only very weak evidence. What's to investigate? We have your word alone, which I'm not going to question.

If you had thought a real paranormal event had occurred, why didn't you keep the bird/s and bag and take the birds to a vet immediately? There will be any number of quite rational reasons why the whole thing may have happened, but without anything concrete, it becomes one of millions of unexplained stories.

so, you agree that 'unexplainable' things do happen...does anyone on the links provided by you ever suggest a 'sscientific reason' for such things?

Here in Pakistan, human life is so cheap that who the heck is going to care for the poor birds!

the most disturbing thing is that even today if I try the experiment the bird may suffer! Could you please send a Vet or advise the guys at Guiness to witness the scene?

[The Atheist]

so, you agree that 'unexplainable' things do happen...does anyone on the links provided by you ever suggest a 'sscientific reason' for such things?

No, I don't agree that unexplainable things happen - I said lots of things remain unexplained, as will your pigeons, since the evidence is only your word.


Here in Pakistan, human life is so cheap that who the heck is going to care for the poor birds!

I suspect that's being a little disingenuous, since there are plenty of vets in Pakistan, with a long-established society (http://www.pvj.com.pk/), and veterinary universities (http://worldvet.org/displayarticle2740.html).


the most disturbing thing is that even today if I try the experiment the bird may suffer! Could you please send a Vet or advise the guys at Guiness to witness the scene?

Well, if you can still do it, then it's your ticket to fame and fortune! At last count, there is over $US5,000,000 available to anyone able to display a genuine paranrmal ability.

[mazHur]

No, I don't agree that unexplainable things happen - I said lots of things remain unexplained, as will your pigeons, since the evidence is only your word.



I suspect that's being a little disingenuous, since there are plenty of vets in Pakistan, with a long-established society (http://www.pvj.com.pk/), and veterinary universities (http://worldvet.org/displayarticle2740.html).



Well, if you can still do it, then it's your ticket to fame and fortune! At last count, there is over $US5,000,000 available to anyone able to display a genuine paranrmal ability.


I didn't say there are no Vets in Pakistan, I just said who cares for life here,,,and that too of a bird! The Vets are not that serious folks
here to look at such matters with awe and sincerity

I can still perform the 'feat' but don't feel like 'harming' the innocent birds for the sake of money. I'm greatly intrigued and want to discover as to why pigeons suffered?

thanks goodness I didnt have that capability with regard to humans otherwise I would be the most ''dreaded person' in the world!!
But, I hate getting Midas' ears for touching somelthing for money!;)

[papayahed]

Like I said, that's the place to start - you'd need to read his books as well. A good one with Wiseman is to Google his name - you'll find links to the meta-analysis Ganzfeld which is where the scientific research is.

I repeat, this is not something that can be explained in five minutes. The James Randi site alone would take months to go through all of the information there. While Randi's no scientist, there are thousands of links to scientific articles.

Nothing on wisemans website has even remotely convinced me that I should follow the links. As I mentioned previously the research he posted was wildly inconclusive and there was no information to back anything up. I have no reason to believe that his links are anything but the same.

[mazHur]

There are 2 very nice works by Wilson Colins,,,1. the Occult and 2. the Mysteries

I would recommend friends here going through them

[Shalot]

Can't help wondering why the ghost especially chose a plastic cap to get your attention... There must be a significance to that, surely? Maybe the brand name or maybe the colour? Or even maybe the person the can belongs to?

Oh, this is surely case for Scherlock! :D

I think it was a friendly old ghost - maybe a dead relative -- who was trying to tell me to stop it with the mall bangs and the Rave hairspray. :lol:

[Idril]

I tend to be fairly skeptical of ghosts and paranormal activity but yet at the same time, I would never say absolutely they don't exist, more like it's just something I choose not to deal with. :lol: However, I did have a weird experience once when I was younger. I was in Boston, being a nanny, away from my family for the first time and I had a...something...a dream I suppose of my Grandmother standing at the foot of my bed, just looking at me, it was a comforting feeling, like I was being watched over and in the morning I got a call that she had passed away during the night. It freaked me out a little bit but at the same time, I felt that I had had the chance to say goodbye even though I was hundreds of miles away.

[mazHur]

Here is another weird story I picked up from the web,,,enough to scare your socks off! Enjoy reading it!

A man is hitchhiking along the side of the road in the middle of nowhere on a very dark and very stormy night. It's pitch black, and the rain is so heavy and driving so hard that he can see only a few feet ahead of him. Suddenly he sees a car come toward him and stop.

Without thinking about it, the fellow gets in the car and closes the door -- only to realize that nobody is behind the wheel. The car starts slowly and picks up a little speed. The guy looks at the road and sees a curve coming his way.

Scared, he starts praying, begging for his life. Then, just before the car gets to the curve, a hand appears through the window and moves the wheel.

The fellow is paralyzed in terror, and as the car keeps moving he watches how the hand appears just before every curve.

Finally, he gathers the strength to open the door and leap from the car. He runs to the nearest town, and wet and in shock, he goes into a bar. He orders two shots of tequila, and as he's downing them he starts telling everybody about the horrible experience he's just gone through.

Everyone in the little bar is silent, and they realize the man is still terrified and crying, not drunk.

About half an hour later, two other men enter the bar, and as they look around, one says to the other, "Hey, look, Fred! That's the guy who climbed into the car while we were pushing!";):crash:

[Niamh]

A friend of mine posted this like else where and i thought i'd post it here and see what people thought. :)


http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/article.aspx?cp-documentid=15422134


This one gives you a better look at the photo. Creepy.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/03/27/scotland.ghosts/

[Niamh]

I've had a few spooky experiences.
Sensation of someone sitting on the end of a bed i was sleeping on in a friends house. Same house i ended up sleeping on the couch because i had the wits scared out of me. One night, i heard the sound of someone coming down the stairs and i turned and looked at the door and a white hazy figure suddenly drifted through the door and started towards me. well i jumped out of my skin!
When i lived in a gate house in Ravensdale, Dundalk Co.Louth, i was the only person in the house one evening. I was sitting in what was our living room, when i heard the noise of the door from the kitchen to the room open (it was shut when i turned my head) and close and the sound of someone walking across the room right in front of me and the going out by the side door. There have been sitings of an old woman knitting in a chair in that room. It was once part of a vestry.
When i lived in Monaghan, myself and my friend tracy were in the house we were renting. She was in the shower and I was in my room, when i heard the sound of a man laugh from the hall outside my door.
When i lived in Mullengar, the house i lived in freaked me out so much i went to bed with a butcher knife. (no Joke!) For a while there were three of us living in the house, and the two swedish girls had rooms upstairs. Mine was down stairs by the kitchen (renovated garage). They left after a few weeks. They really wanted sleep. I was left in the house on my own for the last two weeks of the dig, constantly begging people from the site to stay in the house some night so i wasnt alone. Every night, one of the bedroom doors upstairs would open and close. (may i point out that this was the only room in the house we couldnt get into because it was locked. The three of us tried) There would be bangings and footsteps for hours.
When i was out one night for a site christmas party in the Dublin Brewing Company, i had a hand placed on my shoulder. There was no hand there and the only thing behind me as a pot belly stove.
When i was in Edinburgh a few years back, i visited Mary Kings Close. I was at the back of the group and someone hummed into my right ear. There was no one beside or behind me. I was there last year again and both myself and my friend heard a childs cry and i felt something take a hold of my jeans leg at knee height.
I've strange experiences in the house i'm sharing with my best friend. i was cooking dinner and i turned around and thought there was a black shadow of a man standing behind me. My heart was pounding in my throat it jumped so much. I've heard strange things in this house but this was the first time anything happened like that. my best friend saw a similar shadow at the top of the stairs another time and it scared the living daylights out of her. We leave the landing light on now...we have an open plan living/ kitchen area and I was sitting in a chair at one end in the livingroom and a wine glass tipped over on its own in the kitchen.
even spookier was while i was lying in bed one night i could hear my exercise ball in the corner being bounced.
My housemate said she could hear noises in my room while i was away in Canada like a door repeatedly opening and banging. I've heard the same thing happen to her bedroom door and only last week i closed the bathroom door over, but didnt shut it, walked into my bedroom and jumped at the sound of it slamming shut.
I also experience strange smells sometimes.

On the recent paranormal investigation i went on in Wales both myself and my friend got our hats pulled up from our heads. Then there is that picture...

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q268/niamhking/GhostFaceinthecrowd.jpg

Believe these or not, i'd never execpt people to believe stuff because i do. but these are genuine experiences. :) not everything can be explained by science! :)

[Nikhar]

Once there were two ghosts in a distant forlorn forest. Suddenly, there were a rustle of leaves. One of the ghosts turned back and thought he saw something.

He then said to his buddy, 'Could that be a human?'

'Shut up dumbass! We all know that there is nothing called humans!'

:D :p

[Niamh]

do you mean no such thing as humans? :p

[Nikhar]

do you mean no such thing as humans? :p

That is what the ghosts think... :nod::nod: Just like we don't believe in them, they don't believe in us...

:willy_nilly::willy_nilly: (I'm just using this emoticon coz I havent used it before and its rather cute.)


Edit:- Oh wait...Were you correcting me gramatically?:blush:

[BienvenuJDC]

do you mean no such thing as humans? :p


That is what the ghosts think... :nod::nod: Just like we don't believe in them, they don't believe in us...

:willy_nilly::willy_nilly: (I'm just using this emoticon coz I havent used it before and its rather cute.)


Edit:- Oh wait...Were you correcting me gramatically?:blush:

Sounds like the movie called The Others (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0230600/).

[Madhuri]

I've had a few spooky experiences.
Sensation of someone sitting on the end of a bed i was sleeping on in a friends house. Same house i ended up sleeping on the couch because i had the wits scared out of me. One night, i heard the sound of someone coming down the stairs and i turned and looked at the door and a white hazy figure suddenly drifted through the door and started towards me. well i jumped out of my skin!
When i lived in a gate house in Ravensdale, Dundalk Co.Louth, i was the only person in the house one evening. I was sitting in what was out living room, when i heard the noise of the door from the kitchen to the room open (i was shut when i turned my head) and close and the sound of someone walking across the room right in front of me and the going out by the side door. There have been sitings of an old woman knitting in a chair in that room. It was once part of a vestry.
When i lived in Monaghan, myself and my friend tracy were in the house we were renting. She was in the shower and was in my room, when i heard the sound of a man laugh from the hall outside my door.
When i lived in Mullengar, the house i lived in freaked me out so much i went to bed with a butcher knife. (no Joke!) For a while there were three of us living in the house, and the two swedish girls had rooms upstairs. Mine was down stairs by the kitchen (renovated garage). They left after a few weeks. They really wanted sleep. I was left in the house on my own for the last two weeks of the dig, constantly begging people from the site to stay in the house some night so i wasnt alone. Every night, one of the bedroom doors upstairs would open and close. (may i point out that this was the only room in the house we couldnt get into because it was locked. The three of us tried) There would be bangings and footsteps for hours.
When i was out one night for a site christmas party in the Dublin Brewing Company, i had a hand placed on my shoulder. There was no hand there and the only thing behind me as a pot belly stove.
When i was in Edinburgh a few years back, i visited Mary Kings Close. I was at the back of the group and someone hummed into my right ear. There was no one beside or behind me. I was there last year again and both myself and my friend heard a childs cry and i felt something take a hold of my jeans leg at knee height.
I've strange experiences in the house i'm sharing with my best friend. i was cooking dinner and i turned around and thought there was a black shadow of a man standing behind me. My heart was pounding in my throat it jumped so much. I've heard strange things in this house but this was the first time anything happened like that. my best friend saw a similar shadow at the top of the stairs another time and it scared the living daylights out of her. We leave the landing light on now...we have an open plan living/ kitchen area and I was sitting in a chair at one end in the livingroom and a wine glass tipped over on its own in the kitchen.
even spookier was while i was lying in bed one night i could hear my exercise ball in the corner being bounced.
My housemate said she could hear noises in my room while i was away in Canada like a door repeatedly opening and banging. I've heard the same thing happen to her bedroom door and only last week i closed the bathroom door over, but didnt shut it, walked into my bedroom and jumped at the sound of it slamming shut.
I also experience strange smells sometimes.

On the recent paranormal investigation i went on in Wales both myself and my friend got our hats pulled up from our heads. Then there is that picture...

Believe these or not, i'd never execpt people to believe stuff because i do. but these are genuine experiences. :) not everything can be explained by science! :)

:shocked: :eek2: :cold: After reading this, I will have another sleepless night...it's 10:45 in the night here and I live alone... :(

[Niamh]

the others is a fantastic movie! I love it!

Oops! Sorry Maddie!

[Emil Miller]

I'm a rationalist and never accepted the paranormal either in the form of ghosts or any other strange phenomenon until something happened to me for which there is no rational explanation. I won't reveal what it was because it was something very personal to me but all I will say is that what was once a certainty as regards the paranormal no longer remains so.

[Jay]

Niamh, not to sound like a total *beep* but what's on the picture you posted that's paranormal? I mean, other than bits of dust and a couple of people I can't find anything (unless there's someone in the picture that wasn't there when the picture was taken but nobody seems out of place ;) )
Just asking because I feel silly for not getting it :s
Btw, actually enjoyed your scary experiences but that's most likely because of my guilty pleasure marathons of Ghost Hunters ;) (ahem, anybody else wanna 'fess up to following the show? :p)

[papayahed]

Just asking because I feel silly for not getting it :s
Btw, actually enjoyed your scary experiences but that's most likely because of my guilty pleasure marathons of Ghost Hunters ;) (ahem, anybody else wanna 'fess up to following the show? :p)

:nod:Wednesday nights...

[Niamh]

oh sorry i didnt post the other picture. if you go to the photoalbum thread i posted the zoomed in image. there is a face in the picture that doesnt belong to anyone in the group staring right at the camera beside me. :)

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q268/niamhking/llanelli%20spookfest%202010/24242_380700108777_558798777_376163.jpg

[Jay]

Oh, ok, thanks :), thought that was just someone out of the light. Funny how the face is 'dark', ie almost the same colour as the guy beside it. Guess nobody seen anything at the time the picture was taken? It looks dark in there.

You say recent paranormal investigation... where were you investigating? Any luck other than the yellow-eyed demon lady? (ok, I DID try not to make a Supernatural (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0460681/) reference but I just couldn't help it, too tempting :p, please ignore unless you get my reference :) )

[Niamh]

I did an investigation of Pembrey Woods and War Bunkers in South Wales. :) It was quite dark but there was some natural moon light in the room. No one saw the face at the time, but i had seem a face similar to it at one point before hand (and it was just the head) coming straight at me from under the really tall guy in blacks chin. I'd never been so terrified in my life. And thats the god honest truth. Hands flew to my face because it scared the wits out of me. I'll never forget it. When i saw that photo i paled and told everyone what i'd seen. they had seem my hands fly to my face and me cry "Oh my god!" but they thought it was because i was excited about winning the T-Shirt in our auction for charity and they thought it was weird i'd done it. Said it made so much more sense when they found out what i'd seem. It was the first time i'd seen something that wasnt a white glow of a figure or a black shadow. I can still see the image of the face coming straight for me when i close my eyes.

I'm hopefully going to do something in Derby in beginning of June! :)

[Babbalanja]

there is a face in the picture that doesnt belong to anyone in the group staring right at the camera beside me. :)

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q268/niamhking/llanelli%20spookfest%202010/24242_380700108777_558798777_376163.jpg
:rolleyes5:

[DanielBenoit]

I don't believe in paranormal stuff or am I entirely interested in it (watching unscary episodes of GhostHunters pretty much turned me off), but I am opened minded to other peoples beliefs and always love hearing about strange things, even if I can't explain them or am even skeptical towards them.

Just think of the film My Dinner with Andre, it doesn't expect you to believe much of what Andre says, but it sure creates a damn interesting conversation. Too much rationalism takes away the joys and spontaneity of the human imagination. Rigidness is a metaphysical sin.

I really enjoyed reading about your experiences Niamh :), you should really share them with us more often. . . unless you already have *runs to Niamh's blog*

[Niamh]

Hahaha, i dont think i've ever written anything in my blog about the paranormal... unless i mentioned the investigation but i dont think i did.

[JuniperWoolf]

I don't believe in paranormal stuff or am I entirely interested in it (watching unscary episodes of GhostHunters pretty much turned me off), but I am opened minded to other peoples beliefs and always love hearing about strange things, even if I can't explain them or am even skeptical towards them.

Just think of the film My Dinner with Andre, it doesn't expect you to believe much of what Andre says, but it sure creates a damn interesting conversation. Too much rationalism takes away the joys and spontaneity of the human imagination. Rigidness is a metaphysical sin.

That is an excellent point.

[blazeofglory]

In fact I find supernatural phenomena highly engaging to me. It is hard to beleive them, but my question is the world is still a great mystery, and all that science has achieved is very little of it, and the great part of it still remains veiled from us.

Logically going everything, every event has a cause. Our presence here too has a cause. Our parents had desired for sex and the upshot is our existence in point of fact. What was the cause that led to copulation, maybe an external stimulus. What caused the stimulus and this goes on unending.

Then what is the supernatural? Is there a being? what causes everything in the world?

Mysteries do exist but it is really hard to synchronize with phenomena

[Babbalanja]

Too much rationalism takes away the joys and spontaneity of the human imagination. Rigidness is a metaphysical sin.

There's a responsible way to indulge our thirst for fantasy, and that's through poetry, music, and fiction. Let's follow the human imagination down the path of artistic invention, not the deep dark rabbit hole of numbnuttery.

Magical thinking isn't an admirable trait in adults. Once you're past a certain age, credulity is the real metaphysical sin.

Regards,

Istvan

[Niamh]

There is nothing fantastical or fictional about experiencing real paranormal activity.