Stories with Holes - 4

[Scheherazade]

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Please ask yes/no questions to put the story together.


A woman is dead in a room where the door and windows are locked from inside.

[papayahed]

allllll right!!!!!

Did she kill herself?
Was there anyone else in the room?
Did she have clothes on?
Was she a blond?
Did anyone see her die?

[Scheherazade]

Did she kill herself? No, she did not kill herself.

Was there anyone else in the room?No, there was no one else in the room.

Did she have clothes on?Yes, she was wearing clothes.

Was she a blond?No idea! :D

Did anyone see her die?No, no one saw her die.

[NNoah3]

Is she at her house?
or in a hotel room?
Did she died with a shotgun?

[Nightshade]

Did she die of natural causes? (seems to be an obvious question yet no ones asked it :confused:)

Is there a chimney in the room?
was she killed?

[Adelheid]

Has anything been done so far to investigate the scene?
Was Sherlock Holmes referred to? :D
Was there blood on the floor around her?
Was there any noise heard from the outside before this was found out?
Was this done at midday?

[Taliesin]

Did she die of a disease?
Are all the walls there?
Are there any other places to leave the place?
Did she close those windows?
And what about the doors?
Was she poisoned?
Was she killed violently?
Did she drown?
Are there supernatural elements involved?
Was it an accident?
Did it look like one?

[Scheherazade]

Is she at her house?
or in a hotel room?
Did she died with a shotgun?Yes, she died at her house.
No, she did not die with a shotgun.

Did she die of natural causes? (seems to be an obvious question yet no ones asked it )

Is there a chimney in the room?
was she killed?No, she did not die of natural causes.
Yes, there is a chimney in the room.
Yes, she was killed.
Has anything been done so far to investigate the scene?
Was Sherlock Holmes referred to?
Was there blood on the floor around her?
Was there any noise heard from the outside before this was found out?
Was this done at midday?No, nothing has been done to investigate so far.
No, Sherlock Holmes was not referred to.
No, there was no blood on the floor around her.
No, no noise was heard.
No, it was not done at midday.
Did she die of a disease?
Are all the walls there?
Are there any other places to leave the place?
Did she close those windows?
And what about the doors?
Was she poisoned?
Was she killed violently?
Did she drown?
Are there supernatural elements involved?
Was it an accident?
Did it look like one?No, she did not die of a disease.
Yes, the walls are there.
No, there are no other exits (I think that is what you mean?)
Yes, probably she herself closed the windows and the doors.
Yes, she was poisoned.
No, she was not killed violently.
No, she did not drown.
No, no supernatural elements were involved. (I was wondering when you would ask this, Tal! :D)
No, it was not an accident.
Hmmm... this one is a little tricky. Would depend how you define accident, I guess.



To summarize:

A woman is dead in a room where all the windows and doors are locked from inside.

Woman:
- Dead :D
- Dressed
- May or not be blonde
- Did not kill herself
- Was not shot
- Was poisoned
- Was at home
- Was killed
- Was not killed violently
- Did not drown

The Room:
- all walls there
- has a chimney
- No one else present
- No other exits

MISC:
- No supernatural elements involved
- It was not midday
- Sherlock was not invited (such a shame)
- No one saw her die.-

[papayahed]

Is she in the kitchen?
Does the room of the house matter? Play a part in the story?
Was she poisoned?
Is there music playing?
Are there other people in the house?
Is the scene bloody?

[Basil]

Would it be beneficial to speculate as to which room she was in (bedroom, kitchen, etc.)?

Was the poison in a solid state? Gaseous? Liquid?

[NNoah3]

Did she lie in her bed?
or in the floor?
Did she die at night?

[Nightshade]

Did she accidently self administer the poison ? (or should I say unwittingly??)(eg someone mixed it in the sugar/medicine and she gave it to herself in her on time)
Was it a rare poison
was it a classic muder poison eg hemlock, arsnic,cyanide and much as it saddens me to ask it nightshade?
was it a poison you could redily find in any home?? washing ditergent rat poison fertilizer weed killer etc????

[adilyoussef]

Did anyone call the police?
Did the police ask the naibours if thay had heard or seen somthing strange?
Did anyone do the autopcy?
Did the police talk with the last person who saw her?
Did anyone have a second key to the hous and the room?
Did anyone check the finger prints?
Did anyone ask a specialist's point of vew?
Did anyone know what kind of poisen had been used and if it is accessible to evrybody or not? (I mean dangerous drogs or just any poisen)
Did anyone know for how long was she dead?
Did anyone know if the poisen was fast or slow to react? To know if she suffred or not.
Did anyone know if there was someone who wanted her death or may gain any benefit by her death?
Was she liked by her relatives and naibours?
Had she a lot of monye?
Would benefit from her death?
Did she have some kind of missuderstanding with some people and that growed up into a deap heatred?
Did anyone know her age?
Was the door locked from the inside?
To be continued.....

[Scheherazade]

Is she in the kitchen?
Does the room of the house matter? Play a part in the story?
Was she poisoned?
Is there music playing?
Are there other people in the house?
Is the scene bloody?No, she is not in the kitchen.
Yes.
No, there is no music playing.
No, there are no other people in the house.
No, there is no blood.
Would it be beneficial to speculate as to which room she was in (bedroom, kitchen, etc.)?
Was the poison in a solid state? Gaseous? Liquid?
Yes, it is (for the story's sake).
No, it wasn't solid.
Yes, it was gaseous. - Oh la la! ;)
Did she lie in her bed?
or in the floor?
Did she die at night?Yes, she did die in her bed.
No, she wasn't on the floor.
Yes, she died at night.
Did she accidently self administer the poison ? (or should I say unwittingly??)(eg someone mixed it in the sugar/medicine and she gave it to herself in her on time)
Was it a rare poison
was it a classic muder poison eg hemlock, arsnic,cyanide and much as it saddens me to ask it nightshade?
was it a poison you could redily find in any home?? washing ditergent rat poison fertilizer weed killer etc????No, she didn't administer it herself.
No, it is not a rare poison.
Hmm... would depend what you would call 'classic, I guess.
None of the ones you mentioned.
Did anyone call the police?
Did the police ask the naibours if thay had heard or seen somthing strange?
Did anyone do the autopcy?
Did the police talk with the last person who saw her?
Did anyone check the finger prints?
Did anyone ask a specialist's point of vew?No, her body hasn't been found yet.
Did anyone know what kind of poisen had been used and if it is accessible to evrybody or not? (I mean dangerous drogs or just any poisen)
Did anyone know for how long was she dead?
Did anyone know if the poisen was fast or slow? To know if she suffred or not.
Did anyone know if there was someone who wanted her death or may gain any benefit by her death?
Was she liked by her relatives and naibours?
Had she a lot of monye?
Would benefit from her death?
Did she have some kind of missuderstanding with some people and that growed up into a deap heatred?
Did anyone know her age?
Was the door locked from the inside?Yes, someone knows and it could be accessible to everybody.
No, probably she did not suffer at all.
Yes, she was liked by many.
There is someone who would benefit from her death *sort of*
Hmmm... No misunderstandings as such but... - on the right track! :thumbs_up
I am sure there are people who know her age.
Yes, the door was locked from inside.

[AimusSage]

Was the poison administred through the chimney?
Or via another Air intake?
Was the killer related to the victim?
Was she married?
Did she have psychological problems?
Are there people with a criminal record in her social environment?
Is the poison modern?
Or has it been around for a long time? ->more than 50 years.
Was the poison Carbon monoxide?
Were strong emotions involved?
Or was it a Cold murder?

That is enough... For now.

[Scheherazade]

Was the poison administred through the chimney?
Or via another Air intake?
Was the killer related to the victim?
Was she married?
Did she have psychological problems?
Are there people with a criminal record in her social environment?
Is the poison modern?
Or has it been around for a long time? ->more than 50 years.
Was the poison Carbon monoxide?
Were strong emotions involved?
Or was it a Cold murder?
No, it wasn't actually administred through the chimney.
Yes, through air intake.
Yes, the killer is related to the victim.
Yes, she was married.
No, she didn't have psychological problems.
No, no one with criminal record around.
Yes, it has been around for a long time.
Yes, it is carbon monoxide.
Yes, strong emotions are involved.
Not sure what you mean by 'cold murder'.

[AimusSage]

A cold murder eg. no emotional kill, Fully intentional and calculated

Was it premeditated?
Was it a deliberate decision from the killer to use poison to give the woman a painless death?
or, Was it the most readily available means to kill her, without it being to obvious ?
Is the killer related through family?
Or is the killer related through Marriage?
Or is the killer otherwise related?
Was the killer male?

[NNoah3]

Maybe she was poisoned by her husband because he was too jealous.
Maybe the gas heater was fixed to kill her through it.

[papayahed]

Was the killer doing her a "favor? ie putting her out of her misery?
Did she die at night?
Was she related to the killer?
Was fire involved?

[Scheherazade]

A cold murder eg. no emotional kill, Fully intentional and calculated

Was it premeditated?
Was it a deliberate decision from the killer to use poison to give the woman a painless death?
or, Was it the most readily available means to kill her, without it being to obvious ?
Is the killer related through family?
Or is the killer related through Marriage?
Or is the killer otherwise related?
Was the killer male?Yes, it was an intentional murder and kind of premeditated.
No, it was not a mercy killing.
Yes, it was the most readily available means to kill her.
Yes, the killer is related through marriage and male.
Maybe she was poisoned by her husband because he was too jealous.
Maybe the gas heater was fixed to kill her through it.Maybe! ;)

Was the killer doing her a "favor? ie putting her out of her misery?
Did she die at night?
Was she related to the killer?
Was fire involved?No, it was not a mercy killing.
Yes, she died at night.
Yes, she is related to the killer.
Yes, fire is involved! - Very good, Ms Bond! ;)

Excellent questions! Keep them coming! :nod:

[AimusSage]

So the the fire burned in an badly ventilated area, so the fire in the fire place could not draw enough oxygen, killing the woman in the room, who was unaware of this because carbon monoxide has no smell or taste.

Is the above correct?

Also if the killer is related through marriage and male, it is likely to be her husband. Am I right in this assumtion?

If above are correct, it leaves only the motive, knowing strong emotions were involved, it is likely that they possibly had a fight. perhaps the marriage was close to break-up.

Was the marriage going to fail?

If so, the husband possible motive might have been that she was wealthy, and leave him with nothing after the divorce, assuming they married under a marriage contract. (if it is called that, where people have clear rules regarding money etc.

Did they marry under a marriage contract?

So, assumming the above, the motive for killing would be wealth.

Am I correct in this assumtion?

If not, leaving other possible motives:

Is the motive emotionally based?
If so, is in based on envy, not wealth related?
Is it based on hate?
Is it based on Love?
Assuming that, perhaps she was having an afair, and he didn't want to share her, rather taking her life. then facing up to her and her lover. etc. etc.

was she having an afair?

[NNoah3]

Was her husband having an affair?
Did she want the divorce?
Was the money involved?

[Nightshade]

Is it her husband at all or is it a stepson wanting to cutt her out of inheritance??
Is the motive of the murder mercinery?
Was she killed by turning on a gas heater?light ?oven and not lighting it?
Is that even possible anymore??

[kilted exile]

Was there a blockage in the chimney, causing the CO to stay in the room to poison her?
Did she light the fire herself?
Did the husband light the fire?

[Scheherazade]

So the the fire burned in an badly ventilated area, so the fire in the fire place could not draw enough oxygen, killing the woman in the room, who was unaware of this because carbon monoxide has no smell or taste.Yes.
Also if the killer is related through marriage and male, it is likely to be her husband. Am I right in this assumtion?Yes.QUOTE]Was the marriage going to fail?[/QUOTE]Yes.
Did they marry under a marriage contract?No.
So, assumming the above, the motive for killing would be wealth.

Am I correct in this assumtion?No

Is the motive emotionally based?
If so, is in based on envy, not wealth related?
Is it based on hate?
Is it based on Love?

was she having an afair?Yes.
Yes.
Yes and no.
Yes and no.
Yes, she was having an affair. - WTG! :)
Was her husband having an affair?
Did she want the divorce?
Was the money involved?NO.
Yes, she wanted a divorce.
No, money was not involved.
Is it her husband at all or is it a stepson wanting to cutt her out of inheritance??
Is the motive of the murder mercinery?
Was she killed by turning on a gas heater?light ?oven and not lighting it?
Is that even possible anymore??No, nobody wanted to cut her out of inheritance.
No, it is not money related.
Yes, she was killed by a gas heater.
I am not sure what you mean by the last question.
Was there a blockage in the chimney, causing the CO to stay in the room to poison her?
Did she light the fire herself?
Did the husband light the fire?No blockages.
Yes, she did it herself.
No.

Oh, you are all so very close! :) :) :)

[NNoah3]

If she lighted the fire, she was unaware that the window was closed, Am I right?
If the killer was her husband, and love and hate are involved; when he discovered that she was having an affair, he decided to kill her instead of giving her the divorce. Am I right?

[papayahed]

Did her husband close the windows after she fell asleep?
You said fire was involved, was it a blazing fire? or just the fire from the gas heater that you were refering too?
Did the husband leave town?
Was the fire department alerted?
Was the "other man" anywhere near the scene when she died? or otherwise involved?

[Scheherazade]

If she lighted the fire, she was unaware that the window was closed, Am I right?
If the killer was her husband, and love and hate are involved; when he discovered that she was having an affair, he decided to kill her instead of giving her the divorce. Am I right?No, she was aware that the windows were closed.
Yes, when he found out that she was having an affair, he decided to kill her.
Did her husband close the windows after she fell asleep?
You said fire was involved, was it a blazing fire? or just the fire from the gas heater that you were refering too?
Did the husband leave town?
Was the fire department alerted?
Was the "other man" anywhere near the scene when she died? or otherwise involved?No, he didn't close the window.
Gas heater.
No, the husband did not leave the town.
The fire department wasnt alerted.
No, the other man wasn't near the scene nor otherwise involved.

[papayahed]

Did the husband tamper with the heater to cause the carbon monoxide build up?
Is the husband hoping to get away with this crime?
Did the husband and wife have a fight and she locked herself in the bedroom, then he tampered with the heater?
Was the husband having an affair?
Was it winter time?
Did the husband know she died?

[Scheherazade]

I would like to apologise and make a change. I have just found out that technically carbon monoxide and gas poisonings are not the same.

The woman died of natural gas poisoning NOT carbon monoxide poisoning.

I am very sorry about this. The story itself has not been affected by this.


Did the husband tamper with the heater to cause the carbon monoxide build up?
Is the husband hoping to get away with this crime?
Did the husband and wife have a fight and she locked herself in the bedroom, then he tampered with the heater?
Was the husband having an affair?
Was it winter time?
Did the husband know she died?No, he did not temper with the heater.
He will probably get away with it.
Yes, they had a fight and she locked herself up in the bedroom and then he took the steps which led to her death.
No, husband was not having an affair.
Yes, it was winter time.
Hmm... He did hope that she died.

[papayahed]

Did the whole house fill with gas? just the bedroom?
Did the husband put a hole in the pipe that came from the heater? loosen a bolt?
Did the husband do something to the heating vents that contributed to the death?Before she died was the woman scared that her husband might try to kill her?
Is the husband at home?
Is there anything in the room of interest? That helped contribute to the woman's demise?

[Scheherazade]

Did the whole house fill with gas? just the bedroom?
Did the husband put a hole in the pipe that came from the heater? loosen a bolt?
Did the husband do something to the heating vents that contributed to the death?Before she died was the woman scared that her husband might try to kill her?
Is the husband at home?
Is there anything in the room of interest? That helped contribute to the woman's demise?Only the house, at the moment at least! ;)
No, no holes.
No, he didn't do anything to do heating vents.
No, she was not scared.
No, the husband is not at home.
No, there is nothing else in the room that contributed to her death.

[Nightshade]

The husband was the gas man and he loosened the gas pipes so they leaked, when she turned on the heating at night after locking u and going to sleep for the night but he was not supose to be home so he is not poisened.

yes??

[Scheherazade]

No, husband is not a gas man.

[Nightshade]

but otherwise right???

[Scheherazade]

No, he did not loosen the gas pipes.

[Nightshade]

Was the door locked because it was night and she locked up? (as in before going to bed?)

Was it cold the night she died?

Did she die from a malfunction of the heating system?

[Scheherazade]

No, the door was not locked because it was night.

Yes, it was cold the night she died.

Hmmm, this is hard to tell but no, she did not die because the heating system malfunctioned.

[NNoah3]

Was her room connected with another room?
Was the gas heater connected through this room?

[papayahed]

Was it a small space heater?
Was it a heater that supplied the whole house?
Was the husband not home because he knew of the danger?
Did the husband put something into the heater to give off the toxic fumes?
Did it take long for the husband to "break" the heater? or whatever he did to cause the death?
Are his fingerprints on the heater?
Was it wintertime?
Was the christmas tree up?

[Scheherazade]

Was her room connected with another room?
Was the gas heater connected through this room?No, her was not connected with another room.
Was it a small space heater?
Was it a heater that supplied the whole house?
Was the husband not home because he knew of the danger?
Did the husband put something into the heater to give off the toxic fumes?
Did it take long for the husband to "break" the heater? or whatever he did to cause the death?
Are his fingerprints on the heater?
Was it wintertime?
Was the christmas tree up?I am not sure what a small space heater is. Just a fireplace looking gas heater.
No, it heated only the room it was in.
Yes, that was one of the reasons he wasn't at home.
No, he didn't put anything into the heater to give toxic fumes.
No, it didn't take him long at all.
No, his finger prints are not on the heater.
Yes, it was winter time.
I am not sure if the Christmas tree was up! :D

[Nightshade]

Okay He blew out the piolt light didnt he??? so it just let out gas?

[Scheherazade]

Okay He blew out the piolt light didnt he??? so it just let out gas?Hmm, yes he let the gas out by turning out the pilot light but he did not blow it out.

You are so close! :nod:

[Nightshade]

so he turned off the piolt light by damaging the switch/knob 9is that how its speltr?thing??)

[papayahed]

He opened the flue in the fireplace and it blew out the pilot light after the lady turned it on because it was cold in the room.

[NNoah3]

He waited until she was sleeping and then, through the pipe of the fireplace, he turned off the pilot letting the gas out only. After that he left the house to create his alibi.

[Nightshade]

He waited till she was sleepng then turned off the gas supply and turned it on again that way the piolt light doesnt come back on

[Scheherazade]

so he turned off the piolt light by damaging the switch/knob 9is that how its speltr?thing??)Nope, nothing was damaged.
He opened the flue in the fireplace and it blew out the pilot light after the lady turned it on because it was cold in the room. No.
He waited until she was sleeping and then, through the pipe of the fireplace, he turned off the pilot letting the gas out only. After that he left the house to create his alibi.I am not sure what you mean by through the pipe?
He waited till she was sleepng then turned off the gas supply and turned it on again that way the piolt light doesnt come back on YES!!!! :nod:

After they had an argument in their bedroom, where the heating is already on, the guy leaves and the woman goes to bed (she locks the door because she doesn't want her husband to come back). In his anger, the husband turns the gas supply off for couple of minutes and turns it on again letting the gas fill the room. Meanwhile, he goes and checks into a hotel to create himself an alibi. When the woman is found, they will think either it is a suicide or a terrible accident!

[Nightshade]

my mum came up with that suggestion!
I asked how to do itr and she told me
if I didnt know she was not on this minute Id think you were she

[NNoah3]

Congratulations!!!!! :banana: