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Alfred001
12-08-2021, 12:06 PM
The christological symbolism in The Old Man and the Sea has been much written about - the wounds on the hands, the fish, Santiago carrying the mast of his skiff back to his shack and stumbling - so it seems Hemingway was trying to create a connection between Santiago and Christ or equate them or something, but I don't understand what point is being made with this connection.

If the point is merely to say Santiago's ordeal was like that of Jesus, well, that much was clear on the literal level. Why bring in this Christ connection?

Is he using Santiago to say something about Jesus? I don't understand what Hemingway is saying with this connection and why the connection was established at all.

MANICHAEAN
12-09-2021, 04:52 AM
Perhaps he was making a connection with fatalism?

To accept pain and disappointment against adversity, despite giving it your best efforts.

There is a lot of nonsense written sometimes about coming out stronger the other side. Not everyone does so.

Its a long time since I read the book, so cannot remember the demeanour of Santiago at the conclusion. Was he not proud that he had successfully caught the marlin, despite the subsequent depredation's of the sharks? Likewise, Jesus having attained the initial successful mortal strike for subsequent Christianity, despite the attacks of the Pharisees and Romans?

Hemingway never came across to me as a particularly religious type, unlike someone like Grahame Green. But he was into the concepts of: fear, courage and battle.

hellsapoppin
11-16-2023, 12:00 PM
Is he using Santiago to say something about Jesus?


It appears to be the opposite ~ that Hemingway is using Jesus as an example in order to illustrate the Old Man. In Spanish, Santiago translates as James. St James was the brother of Jesus. Jesus supposedly endured tremendous hardship to order to redeem humanity. Santiago endured hardship in order to redeem himself. Jesus did so for the benefit of others. Santiago set an example of the little kid. Each turned loss into gain, hardship into victory, and death or near death to achieve renewal. Through his sacrifice and endurance of the great hardship, Santiago transcended all limitations imposed by others thereby achieving a triumph previously thought to be unattainable. At the end Santiago dreams of lions ~ in the Bible Jesus was called "Lion of God".

Thus, Jesus = Santiago symbolically in the book.

hellsapoppin
11-16-2023, 11:25 PM
Significantly, the Old Man is a fisherman. In the New Testament, Jesus's disciples were called "fishers of men":

Matthew 4:19
Mark 1:17


another story from New Testament:


https://www.biblestudytools.com/luke/passage/?q=luke+5:2-11



Just as Jesus sermonized from atop the boats, Santiago teaches the others a great life lesson from his boat.

hellsapoppin
11-17-2023, 01:47 PM
Santiago's idol was legendary professional baseball player Joe DiMaggio. Joe D was the son of a fisherman and he worked for his dad. He overlooked two serious leg injuries to excel in the sport.